<matti>
benlieb: Either bad C code or gcc/$CC is strict/broken.
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<matti>
benlieb: What platform?
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<benlieb>
mac 10.8.5
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<benlieb>
I think it might be a ruby version issue. Installing RedCloth 4.0.2 fails
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<benlieb>
but 4.2.9 succeeds
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<benlieb>
I'm porting an old rails app (2.1.1) to rails 4.0.2, and I want to use all of the old gems where possible without upgrading initially, just to minimize problems.
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<matti>
benlieb: That would rather indicate that RC 4.2.9 is fixed.
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<benlieb>
matti: several versions of RedCloth failed to install.
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<benlieb>
I'm using ruby 2.0.0, so maybe they weren't ready for that...
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<matti>
Ah.
<matti>
Sorry.
<matti>
I see what they've done.
<matti>
benlieb: It is API differnce.
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<matti>
benlieb: It can be easily fixed.
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<matti>
benlieb: Do you want a patch?
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<benlieb>
matti: do I need one?
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<matti>
For 2.x yes.
<matti>
With 4.0.2
<matti>
That uses older things.
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<matti>
Unless newer version works for you ;]
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<benlieb>
Do you think the RC 4.2.9 won't work where 4.0.1 did?
<benlieb>
I don't really know.
<benlieb>
I guess I'll see.
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<matti>
;]
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<jojo5>
Hey, is there anyone here?
<matti>
Ye
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<jojo5>
Hey, so, I am currently in the process of self teaching myself ruby programming. Already made a gem and a small program on my own. However, I was curious if anyone had any advice on self learning.
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<jojo5>
Anyone done it and got good enough to even get a job?
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<pushp0p>
jojo5: yes
<pushp0p>
sort of easy to get a job with rails
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<matti>
I think majority of self-taught people are in the industry
<pushp0p>
learn some computer science while you're at it
<jojo5>
pushp0p: I am eventually going into that, learning rails.
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<pushp0p>
it's not that hard to get a job if you really, really try hard
<jojo5>
Are people cool with helping on here too if I have questions on a project I'm working on too. If I got stuck on part of a program for example?
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<jojo5>
Guess not ;).
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<jojo5>
Anyhow, anyone have ideas of where to go if I needed help?
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<jojo5>
AKA, I don't have teachers or a college professor to go to for help if I get lost for example.
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<benlieb>
jojo5: this is a fine place for help when you need it.
<endash>
hrm what does `,=` mean
<benlieb>
but since people are busy, they expect you to have googled it first
<benlieb>
or maybe searched stack overflow
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<benlieb>
and after that, ask a SPECIFIC question. No need to ask if you can ask a question
<benlieb>
and don't piss anyone off :) which is surprisingly easy for some folks around these parts :)
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<benlieb>
also hang out in RubyOnRails, people give plenty of help
<endash>
ah it's equiv to = blah.first
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<benlieb>
jojo5 left the chatroom. before waiting for a response. Already PISSED ME OFF>
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<endash>
haha
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<bricker>
I guess if all you have to work with is numbers, the way they do it makes most sense
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<benlieb>
bricker: I agree that's weird
<benlieb>
seems like an array would be better
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<bricker>
benlieb: how would that look? (if you had it your way)
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<benlieb>
bricker: never need to use this, but it seems like the only info they are giving you with the number method is the number of required args, and if the method has a variable number of args.
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<benlieb>
so why not [3,true]
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<benlieb>
but I'm sure there's a good reason :)
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<benlieb>
I don't write programming languages, I just use them :)
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<gdoteof>
anyone use compass? i am not super familiar with ruby; and am not sure how the paths work. http://compass-recipes.moox.fr/#quickstart <-- im following this 'guide' and everytime time i try and do an @import in my sass i get a missing file
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<gdoteof>
i have confimed that the 'recipes' i am attempting to use are in /var/lib/gems/1.9.1/gems/compass-recipes-0.3.0/stylesheets/recipes/
<gdoteof>
but it appears they aren't actually looking there
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<frankperez87>
Hi everyone. How can i have 1 thing looping non stop, while having another part of the script still respond to user input or other actions. The idea is to have a piece of information that can change each second get updated while at the same time being able to interact with the program. This is a terminal program btw.
<jojo9>
But, long of the short, if I want to do something like this "john" and change it to "ohnj", I would have to find a way to manually do that myself?
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<jojo9>
I figure there may be a useful thing in ruby docs that did this, but maybe not.
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<frankperez87>
Looks like I can use threads to run multiple things concurrently. Is there a way in ruby for cli applications to only have the data replace a line of text. What im doing is looping through the results of my memory usage, and writing it to the screen. I want it to just overwrite the 1 line of results instead of returning a new line each time.
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<Jamo>
jojo9: afaik, you need to make it yourself
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<jojo9>
Jamo: I found a way you can do it. You use gsub.
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<Jamo>
ok. great
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<jojo9>
Jamo: I found this in stack, but I don't understand what it is doing, can you help explain?: mystring.gsub(/^([a-z]+)-(\w+)/, '\2(\1)')
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<Jamo>
intresting solution, it basically uses regular expressions to switch places
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<jojo9>
Yeah, I really don't understand regular expressions very well :/.
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<Jamo>
umm
<jojo9>
I think that is the problem.
<jojo9>
Although, I tried it in irb, and I don't think it works.
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<Jamo>
oh now I understand
<Jamo>
that regex turns string like "hello-world" to "world(hello)"
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<jojo9>
Oh, I think I have a better, easier solution
<Jamo>
^([a-z]+) looks for string containing only letters a-z
<jojo9>
Jamo: I meant, do you know a good website that explains regular expressions?
<jojo9>
That is why I avoided it in my solution :P.
<jojo9>
I need to work through that tutorial though.
<jojo9>
It looks really helpful.
<jojo9>
Its completely foreign to me right now.
<jojo9>
It gets used to many times and is evidently really useful too, so I need to learn it too though it seems.
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<frozzenfire>
Hello everyone, I am having a lot of difficulties here installing RVM on my mac. Could someone help please? I am learning how to code in Ruby on Rails and I'm stuck at the setup itself... http://hastebin.com/coyetatobe.vhdl
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<bnagy>
both #rvm and #rubyonrails have dedicated channels
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<sevenseacat>
so he went straight to #rubyonrails and then they sent him straight to #rvm
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<bnagy>
\o/
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<platzhirsch>
It's not possible to get the name of a local variable as a string, isn't it?
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<RubyPanther>
platzhirsch: don't do a nasty eval, do send( var )
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<platzhirsch>
uhh, better
<platzhirsch>
ah no, I need it for the local variable
<platzhirsch>
send only works on methods
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<RubyPanther>
so why don't you have an accessor? add one
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<platzhirsch>
RubyPanther: I want to turn method arguments into a hash where the key is the method argument name and the value the actual argument value
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<RubyPanther>
you're killing kittens, you're going to destroy the internet
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<platzhirsch>
I don't care, to hell with them
<RubyPanther>
platzhirsch: Right, so there is no reason to need locals
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<rjhunter>
surely there is a happier way to achieve what you're doing
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<platzhirsch>
well I am simply wrapping that whole call into a method so it does not clutter up my view file
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<platzhirsch>
cause render partial: 'shared/dropdown_menu', locals: { changer: @repositories, entities: @repository.snapshots, display: @metric } starts to get too long
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<platzhirsch>
although... it's a lot more readable, ah stone the crows then it takes two..three lines, who cares
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<platzhirsch>
so I guess it's friends don't let friends use eval?
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<RubyPanther>
and "#send means never having to say eval STRING"
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<platzhirsch>
RubyPanther: well of course, who would use eval if you use send, but it was not applicable in this case
<platzhirsch>
if you can use send*
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<RubyPanther>
platzhirsch: my point was, send covers the use cases where you would otherwise need eval. In this case you're right, you don't need either.
<platzhirsch>
=P
<platzhirsch>
RubyPanther: do you have any legitimate use cases for eval
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<RubyPanther>
platzhirsch: some sort of interpreter front end where the data is actually code that isn't stored somewhere
<platzhirsch>
yeah, thought so
<RubyPanther>
we can do all of our metaprogramming tricks without it
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<platzhirsch>
Any shorter way to get the array out of another array where all other elements are different than [:a, [], 5].select { |i| i.is_a?(Array) }.first
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<Mon_Ouie>
I don't know what yo mean by "where all other elements are different", but select { … }.first is like Enumerable#find
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<existensil>
just discovered there are 4 different built-in databases in the ruby stdlib. 3 of them are different implementations of DBM. weird.
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<pipecloud>
existensil: I'm a fan of SDBM.
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<pipecloud>
existensil: I know DBM, GDBM, and SDBM. What's the other?
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<buzzybron>
how should i name my classes? in camel case or in seperated with underscore?
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<buzzybron>
say This_Is_A_Class or ThisIsAClass ?
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<sevenseacat>
latter
<kostine>
buzzybron: camel case
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<kostine>
file name would be this_is_a_class.rb
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<buzzybron>
no underscores?
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<buzzybron>
so class name is using camel case and then file name small case with underscore
<buzzybron>
is that right?
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<lewix>
yes
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<buzzybron>
arigato!
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<bricker`LA>
I have an array of objects, and the objects have their `eql?` and `==` method defined so that if they have the same ID and same class then they're considered equal. How do I get `uniq` to honor this? Documentation says "It compares values using their hash and eql? methods for efficiency.", so I guess I'm missing something regarding the "hash" bit
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<lewix>
bricker`LA: you can still use uniq with a block
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<lewix>
bricker`LA: #hash Compute a hash-code for this hash. Two hashes with the same content will have the same hash code - from the doc so now we know why it's working
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<SirCmpwn>
I don't know much about ruby, but I'm trying to deploy a rails app on arch linux
<SirCmpwn>
I installed the rails gem, but I can't figure out where the 'cap' command comes from
<SirCmpwn>
as far as I can tell, it's used for deployment, right?
<lewix>
apeiros: I thought that 1_000_000 meant something, that's why I asked
<apeiros>
lewix: yes, it means one million
<lewix>
apeiros: what about the '_'
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<apeiros>
you can write 100 as 1_0_0. ruby ignores single underscores in integers.
<lewix>
ah
<lewix>
good to know
<lewix>
thanks
<apeiros>
indeed. makes large integers much easier to read
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<robertjpayne>
apeiros: thanks missed the & when passing it to map
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<lewix>
apeiros: also, i believe that Array.new(N) {} creates an array with N elements in it, pass the index of each element to the block then populate the array with the return values of the block
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<GreatSUN>
lewix: you believe or you know?
<GreatSUN>
:D
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<lewix>
GreatSUN: I was being polite
<lewix>
smh
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<GreatSUN>
lewix: you think someone can learn something if you are polite?
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<shevy>
GreatSUN he just doesnt wanna get kick-banned!!!
<GreatSUN>
shevy: whooohooo :D
<lewix>
shevy: like I care
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<lewix>
=)
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<shevy>
I actually did not know that 1_0_0 is valid
<lewix>
is it so hard to believe that polite people still exist out there
<GreatSUN>
lewix: you care else you just say luser :D
<shevy>
the pickaxe only mentioned things like 100_000 for "better to read" :(
<shevy>
easier to read, rather
<shevy>
lewix yeah
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<workmad3>
lewix: fuck yeah... :P
<shevy>
:)
<lewix>
shevy: yea it could come in handy
<GreatSUN>
lewix: to be polite is not always nice
<shevy>
we'd need like a mix of "learn to program", and the pickaxe book, all online... being the official ruby documentation!
<lewix>
GreatSUN: rub me the wrong way, and maybe you'll see my other face
<GreatSUN>
lewix: sometimes you just need to tell the truth instead of being polite, cause elsewise people stuck with the shit they are in
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* shevy
rubs lewix's little toe counter-clockwise
<shevy>
hey GreatSUN
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<GreatSUN>
lewix: no, thanks, my wife would show me a finger before :D
<shevy>
be impolite now if you dare to :D
<shevy>
omg... manhandled by his wife...
<GreatSUN>
shevy: that "learn to program" sounds good
<GreatSUN>
shevy: maybe I can offer some content
<shevy>
it was nice, but it's like... 10 years old now
<shevy>
we have like ruby 2.1 now
<shevy>
not me cuz I am still on 1.9.x but everyone else has it now
<GreatSUN>
<-- is too old :-(
<shevy>
GreatSUN yeah, something a bit like a wiki... collaborative editing
<GreatSUN>
shevy: I have to work with 1.8.7, too
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<shevy>
1.8.x was awesome
<GreatSUN>
I'd like to work with 2.1, but there is no offer...
<shevy>
what do you mean, an offer?
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<GreatSUN>
shevy: I am just a programmer who has to program stuff with the environment others give him to work with
<GreatSUN>
they don't ask me what would be best
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<shevy>
ah I see
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<GreatSUN>
LUNCH
<GreatSUN>
bbl
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<depesz>
hi. how can I split given String into an array, when I want each two characters of original string to become element of array. So "depesz" would become ["de", "pe", "sz"] ?
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<joshu>
I just installed the latest stable ruby 2.0.0p353 and it came with gem 2.0.14. Is it best practice to update the gem system using gem update --system?
<shevy>
but I do this mostly because I also keep local backups of gems, so I can install ruby stuff when I am offline too
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<matti>
depesz: Do you even read documentation or use Google? ;]
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<shevy>
doesn't gem update --system actually updates all gems?
<depesz>
matti: a lot. i tried split, unpack and match.
<matti>
;s
<depesz>
matti: "scan" somehow didn't caught my attention
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<joshu>
shevy ah ok. but essentially the ruby version and the gem version are treated as two separate "systems" and keeping them both updated with a stable release is advised?
<joshu>
shevy no idea
<shevy>
yeah they can be different
<joshu>
i thought it just updated the "gem"
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<shevy>
dunno myself
<shevy>
all I do with gems is "gem install bla.gem" :D
<kraljev2>
is ist possible to have uninitialized variable in ruby?
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<shevy>
cool
<shevy>
kraljev2, you see, the ruby parser is a huge cheater
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<shevy>
it's one of the scariest things matz ever created
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<shevy>
there are probably some dead people scattered in its source code
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<shevy>
guys, got a quick question
<shevy>
with private, inside a class, I make all subsequent method definitions private
<shevy>
is there something like public too?
<shevy>
like, so that I could add one line of private, the next 10 methods are private, but the very last method in a class would not be private
<jlebrech>
i've got this recursive function that uses nokogiri to check the parents of elements, is there a built in function i should know for doing an ancestor search?
<eval-in_>
workmad3 => private method `foo' called for #<Foo:0x40d7cf40> (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/79104)
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<workmad3>
shevy: same as with private, and protected, public can either be used on its own to set all subsequent methods to public visibility, or with a set of symbol params to mark just those methods as public
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<shevy>
ok
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<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
def foo
<shevy>
end; public :foo
<shevy>
vs
<shevy>
public
<shevy>
def foo # and end on next line
<shevy>
hmmmmm
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<workmad3>
shevy: I believe in 2.1 you can even do 'public def foo; end'
<shevy>
whoa
<workmad3>
as 'def' got change to return the name of the newly defined method :)
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<workmad3>
*changed
<shevy>
aha
<shevy>
def returns something now?
<DouweM>
yup, :method_name
<shevy>
can we then do things like
<workmad3>
in 2.1 MRI anyway
<shevy>
name = def foo; end
<DouweM>
yup
<workmad3>
not sure how rubinius or jruby are handling the change there...
<shevy>
who uses these anyway
<shevy>
:P
<workmad3>
as rubinius always returned something from 'def'... but it's not :method_name :)
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<shevy>
why was it changed though?
<workmad3>
because someone suggested that it might make sense? :)
<shevy>
hmm
<shevy>
Hanmac was it you?
<DouweM>
workmad3: what did Rubinius return?
<workmad3>
DouweM: I think it was a rubinius compiled method object
<workmad3>
not certain on that front though... would need to google to check :)
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<DouweM>
yup, Rubinius::CompiledMethod
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<kraljev2>
is switch to rubinuis seamless
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<kraljev2>
or do i have to change the code, and to what extent?
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<DouweM>
kraljev2: it's supposed to be seamless, but there are some incompatibilities like the Ruby 2.1 `def` return value thing described above
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<Hanmac>
shevy hm no i wasnt but i recomented too
<shevy>
hehehe
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<Feuerbach>
Is there a simple way to ensure that a splice a[x..y] is empty whenever x>y, even if y is negative? Or do I have to write an if statement for that case?
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<toss>
can I migrate ruby on rails website to wordpress?
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<DouweM>
toss: Rails and Wordpress are not comparable at all, so that's a very weird question
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<Hanmac>
Feuerbach: arnt you looking for a[x,y] or similar?
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<Feuerbach>
Hanmac: doesn't look like it. e.g. ((1..10).to_a)[2,1] gives me [3]
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<Feuerbach>
oh, the second number is the number of elements
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<Feuerbach>
yeah, I could use that. Something like a[x,y-x+1], I suppose
<Feuerbach>
thanks Hanmac
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<frankperez87>
What would be the best way to return output from a command and pass in a variable as one of the arguments. The command is run o the linux box first. for instance output = `ps -ef | head -#{number}`
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<ghatak>
Hi, I want to make some changes to a JSON file, it has nested data structures, I want to be able to change some keys and save it back, while maitain indentation, can someone point me in right direction?
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<DouweM>
ghatak: you want to maintain the same indentation used before, or just some indentation? and why do you care about indentation anyway?
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<Lachezar>
Hey all… N00B here, having basic problems: ".gemrc" has "gemhome:/home/user/development/ruby/gems", "gem install rhc", byt then "~/develipment/ruby/gems/bin/rhc" yields "Could not find rhc (>= 0) amongst [] (Gem::LoadError)"
<Lachezar>
gem list shows a bunch of gems are there
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<iajrz>
DouweM: are you here?
<DouweM>
iajrz: sure am
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<iajrz>
DouweM: your site project at github has no license. Can I use my fork for my personal homepage + GPL my version?
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<Lachezar>
Do I need to set up additional environment?
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<iajrz>
> still haven't worked on the fork~
<DouweM>
iajrz: I don't want anyone to use my version verbatim, but if I judge your fork sufficiently different, I don't have a problem with it.
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<iajrz>
DouweM: Fair enough :) I'll let you know when I think I'm good enough to go... thanks
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<DouweM>
iajrz: you can PM me anytime
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<iajrz>
thanks again :D
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* Lachezar
had to explicitly add GEM_HOME environment variable :-/
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<toss>
DouweM so yo usay I can't do this?
<toss>
can I migrate ruby on rails website to wordpress?
<toss>
I mean I know they are not compatible
<toss>
:)
<toss>
but can it be done?
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<kraljev2>
you have to do a manual rewrite
<kraljev2>
and that's going to cost
<kraljev2>
you'll be better off buying ruby hosting
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<shevy>
toss unlikely. isn't wordpress written in php?
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<canton7>
you can create a wordpress website which does the same things as a rails website. but you're creating it from scratch
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<atno>
not if you use a framework to build it
<workmad3>
and depending on the rails app, it could be a really hefty amount of work to recreate it in wordpress
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<DouweM>
toss: if we're talking a Rails blog rather than an entire Rails website, moving those posts over to WordPress shouldn't be too hard, but if this is an entire custom Rails site, recreating it using WordPress is gonna mean rewriting it from scratch
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<kraljev2>
he could keep the database
<kraljev2>
the problem is only the application code
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<shevy>
gazarsgo ruby is very fast
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<gazarsgo>
i would like to help make it faster, do you know where i can find module Kernel def require ?
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<shevy>
gazarsgo have you extracted the ruby tarball archive ?
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<gazarsgo>
i just cloned the ruby repo because github search isn't so great
<gazarsgo>
i was hoping someone would be like 'aha, i know the problem you're having, and it's because of X, fixed in pull request Y that lands in next release"
<shevy>
ok so you have a repo available
<shevy>
in the official documentation you can see things like this:
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<shevy>
hmm...
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<shevy>
kraljev2 it was to allowy ruby -rubygems
<shevy>
on the commandline
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<shevy>
they could make it ruby -rrubygems
<kraljev2>
doesn't matter, this problem should be solved on the arg parsing level
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<gazarsgo>
there is a lot of ruby code written to avoid writing c code :(
<LadyRainicorn>
You don't have to require rubygems anymore, so who cares?
<canton7>
they don't want to make a general solution - you shouldn't be able to do both '-rrubyisawesome' and '-rubyisawesome' for a random package 'rubyisawesome'. It's just an exception provided by rubygems for rubygems
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<gazarsgo>
LadyRainicorn: do you know why rubygems is moving into core but it still has a monkeypatch on require ?
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<LadyRainicorn>
It's not a monkeypatch, it's a separate library.
<LadyRainicorn>
And probably backwards compatibility.
<shevy>
gazarsgo it's now automatically required since 1.9.x
<canton7>
yeah it's not modifying the core at all. they've just created a library 'ubygems'. I would publish a library called 'ubyisawesome' which requires 'rubyisawesome'
<canton7>
ah I see that
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<canton7>
that was from before rubygems was properly integrated iirc?
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<shevy>
last commit 2 months ago
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<shevy>
is core_ext/ a standard name for modifications of core things?
<gazarsgo>
seems to be
<DouweM>
it is
<shevy>
damn
<shevy>
I always went for core/ :(
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<workmad3>
shevy: it's just common naming convention, nothing special about it
<shevy>
hey I am a good ruby citizen
<shevy>
I'll go with the flow
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<DouweM>
workmad3: common naming conventions are what keeps us sane, though
<DouweM>
all programming conventions are, really
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<workmad3>
DouweM: you're sane? lucky you :P
<kraljev2>
convensions like 2 spaces for indentation
<kraljev2>
is that Matz's bullshit?
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<DouweM>
workmad3: :P
<shevy>
kraljev2 no
<DouweM>
kraljev2: 2 spaces ftw
<kraljev2>
whose then
<shevy>
kraljev2 what do you suggest
<kraljev2>
2 spaces is too little
<DouweM>
kraljev2: but I have no idea where it originated
<kraljev2>
i suggest 3 or 4
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<DouweM>
kraljev2: how so
<shevy>
3
<shevy>
are you crazy
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<shevy>
why not 66
<kraljev2>
or just tabs, so we don't have to argue about how many spaces :)
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<kraljev2>
exactly, shevy
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<kraljev2>
good argument for tabs
<kraljev2>
:)
<shevy>
tabs are better than 3
<shevy>
4 spaces is better than tab
<shevy>
2 spaces is better than 4 spaces
<DouweM>
using tabs breaks down when you want to align stuff rather than indent
<shevy>
yeah
<DouweM>
because people may configure their tab widths differently
<kraljev2>
and tell me
<kraljev2>
how many times have you aligned something in ruby
<shevy>
all the time
<DouweM>
really, we should use tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment, but I've never seen an editor smart enough to do that
<kraljev2>
tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment
<shevy>
I adorn my comments with ascii
<DouweM>
yeah, I align all the time
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<canton7>
{ \n :foo => 'bar \n :bar => 'baz' \n } for example
<shevy>
my comments are prettier than ruby code
<xrosex>
Does anyone know if ruby shoes gui supports text movement with the mouse ?
<kraljev2>
We laugh at MS for having \r\n for line break, right? ? :D
<shevy>
no, I have only pity for MS
<DouweM>
canton7: that could be seen as indentation, though
<shevy>
google killed them :(
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<shevy>
they even brought back that start button
<canton7>
DouweM, I should have picked an example with different-length keys. I'm thinking of aligning the '=>'s
<gazarsgo>
so who works on rubygems and 'properly integrating' it ?
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<DouweM>
canton7: ah, my mistake. yeah, def. same goes for regular var assignment
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<shevy>
gazarsgo drbrain on #rubygems
<gazarsgo>
thanks
<canton7>
DouweM, more my complete lack of clarity :P
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<workmad3>
kraljev2: mixed tabs and spaces make matz sad :(
<shevy>
hahaha :D
<DouweM>
inconsistent mixing makes everyone sad
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<shevy>
and when matz is sad
<kraljev2>
they are not mixed
<shevy>
his english will get worse
<kraljev2>
a space never touches a tab!!!!
<DouweM>
shevy: lol
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<kraljev2>
therefore they are not mixed
<shevy>
kraljev2 you never use spaces when you use tabs?
<kraljev2>
I do, for alignment
<workmad3>
kraljev2: ok... so how do you keep things consistent if you're aligning a 2-line parameter list?
<shevy>
do you align comments as well? :>
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<kraljev2>
i usually tab comments so they are in line with the code they represent
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<shevy>
I used to do that too
<kraljev2>
they are not at the begining of the line
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<workmad3>
not that it really matters tbh... the whole reason there's always arguments about tabs v spaces is because it's a bike-shed argument that has no correct answer
<DouweM>
bike shedding ftw
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<kraljev2>
what is more correct - \r\n or just \n for line break?
<canton7>
there will be a correct answer when editors support "tabs for indentation, spaces for alignment" :P
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<workmad3>
kraljev2: that depends... am I supporting electronic typewriters?
<DouweM>
kraljev2: why the hell do we need a carriage return on a computer?
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<kraljev2>
why do we need two spaces to represent one action/ entity
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<canton7>
DouweM, just \r is useful for re-writing the current line ;)
<kraljev2>
I'd like we dropped this convetion
<kraljev2>
no language has anything stupid like this
<kraljev2>
let everybody write as they wish
<kraljev2>
and let colaborating groups decide for their own
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<pontiki>
protocols are what makes communication possible
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<pontiki>
especially with machines which are blindingly stupid
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<shevy>
kraljev2 well there are often ways which are inferior to other ways
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<gazarsgo>
that's because 2 spaces is correct :)
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<shevy>
kraljev2 take python for instance
<shevy>
kraljev2 in python you must indent
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<DouweM>
kraljev2: you say "let colaborating groups decide for their own", which is exactly what happens. it just happens to be so that the entire Ruby open-source community is one large collaborating group
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<shawnjgoff>
I'm in a session with pry; in another terminal I installed a gem. When I require the gem, it can't find it. Is there a way to load this gem without restarting my runtime?
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<shevy>
shawnjgoff hmm I think in theory there should be to have it reload everything
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<shevy>
perhaps it works by adding to $LOAD_PATH
<shawnjgoff>
Okay, thanks.
<mrfoto>
shawnjgoff: reload!
<mrfoto>
is the command
<shawnjgoff>
Thanks, mr_red1
<shawnjgoff>
oops... mrfoto
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<gazarsgo>
shevy: you mentioned it would be trivial ? :)
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<jlebrech>
if i move my spec file to spec/ folder I can't load the ruby file i'm testing with require '../myfile' how come?
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<b00stfr3ak>
try require_relative and see if that fixes it
<gazarsgo>
shevy: yeah well i'm stuck :(
<gazarsgo>
i'm inside the rubygems monkey patch trying to see every path that comes through
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<gazarsgo>
but it calls out ot the C code in a lot of places
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<wald0>
I have a problem in my debian trying to install Pry
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<wald0>
it shows me an error about RDoc
<jlebrech>
b00stfr3ak: ooh thanks :)
<avril14th_>
wald0: --no-rdoc ?
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<avril14th_>
:)
<wald0>
but i dont see any reported issue on the github project, this is strange because seems like a but that should affect to thousands ppl
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<puppeh>
when i'm inside 2 blocks
<puppeh>
(ie. a block is nested in another) how can I break out of the 2 blocks when I'm on the inner block?
<mrfoto>
puppeh: raise an exception and catch it outside the second block?
<pontiki>
rethink your design
<mrfoto>
and what pontiki said :P
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<Hanmac1>
puppeh: use throw catch
<puppeh>
I see
<puppeh>
thx
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<wald0>
avril14th_: seems like still showing the same error
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<avril14th_>
tried --no-ri --no-rdoc ? what's the error?
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<banister>
puppeh: throw/catch
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<shevy>
I found a great quote from "The C programming language"
<shevy>
"The indentation emphasizes the logical structure of the program."
<mrfoto>
Nearly everybody is convinced that every style but their own is ugly and unreadable. Leave out the "but their own" and they're probably right...
<mrfoto>
-- Jerry Coffin (on indentation)
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<shevy>
Jerry in the coffin
<zzak>
wald0: whats the error?
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<zzak>
wald0: also what version of ruby & rubygems?
<zzak>
and did you install via package manager?
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<Baluse>
hello
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<platzhirsch>
okay, back to the grind
<Baluse>
is there a way in ruby to know if client got the response ?
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<lectrick>
Baluse: Can you be more specific?
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<Baluse>
client makes a call to /api/get_pending then server returns the response. But how can I be sure that it arrived ?
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<Baluse>
and no read timeout etc ,or connection was cut during response ?
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<popl>
Baluse: What do you mean by call?
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<Baluse>
web service
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<Baluse>
a http request
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<jhn>
Baluse: http uses tcp, tcp guarantees the delivery.
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<sec^nd>
I thought ruby could only extend one class, isn't class TheClass < FirstClass; extend SecondClass; end allowing multiple inheritance?
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<sec^nd>
extend does class methods and include does instance methods
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<platzhirsch>
I will never learn the UNIX console statement for seek and replace, I have to write it somewhere in front of me...
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<popl>
huh?
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<Hanmac1>
werdnativ: as far as i know you still should not use it in new code
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<werdnativ>
Thanks, just wondering since it's a pretty basic piece, and no word on it since 2.0 or upcoming 2.1…
<banister>
werdnativ i hate autoload
<banister>
more than i hate hell and all montagues
<banister>
it's also trivial to implement yourself if you need to
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<werdnativ>
yeah, const_missing...
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<banister>
werdnativ u r const_missing
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<werdnativ>
I am?
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<joshu>
is it a best practice to update RubyGems or to use the version that is bundled with each Ruby version?
<shevy>
always update joshu
<shevy>
werdnativ matz does not like autoload and will deprecate, then remove it
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<joshu>
shevy ok I'm researching this to better understand what people do. Is there a mechanism for keeping it RubyGems up to date automatically or do you just run gem update --system when you remember to?
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<shevy>
nono
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<shevy>
I myself never use gem update --system so I can not tell you whether to use it or not
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<shevy>
I think you can just do "gem update" or something
<shevy>
but I don't do that either, I always download a tarball, and save it in my local backups
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<joshu>
shevy and you do this whenever there is a new ruby gems version?
<mib_mib>
hi - i want to wrap every line of code with a before method and after method - how would one go about that?
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<mib_mib>
is there any notion of lines? or would i have to do it to specific objects
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<shevy>
joshu well, no... I do it when I don't feel lazy :)
<shevy>
most of the time I am lazy
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<shevy>
but I updated perhaps 4 weeks ago or something
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<shevy>
my current gem version is 2.1.7
<shevy>
no idea if that is the latest
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<DouweM>
mib_mib: what are you trying to accomplish?
<joshu>
hehe ok how would one be informed of new updates to ruby gems..silly question but do you subscribe to a github repo or?
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<DouweM>
joshu: run `bundle outdated` every so often
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<joshu>
shevy yeah 2.1.7 is latest...mine is 2.0.14 as bundled with * ruby-2.0.0-p353
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<joshu>
DouweM isn't that just for the gems themselves and not the RubyGem system?
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<shevy>
joshu not sure... I have some kind of build tools
<workweezle>
Perhaps a silly question, but is a given version range of 'gem' (command) coupled with a certain version range of ruby?
<shevy>
then I sometimes do "url rubygems", this gets copied to my xorg buffer, then I paste this directly into a firefox tab and see if there are new versions
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<shevy>
which I find too tedious
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<shevy>
so I dont update that often
<shevy>
:P
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<joshu>
shevy hehe...some of these things could probably be more obvious and require less user intervention
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<shevy>
I think there are specific in-gem ways to do that
<DouweM>
joshu: ah, you're right about `bundle outdated`. I misinterpreted your question
<joshu>
DouweM no worries
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<shevy>
joschi, kill DouweM
<shevy>
:>
<DouweM>
:|
<shevy>
damn
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<shevy>
I failed at tab completion
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<shevy>
joshu, kill both joschi and DouweM to make up for my mistake please
<DouweM>
that's not the biggest issue I have with that message
<shevy>
lol
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<shevy>
ok, let's make love, not war
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<wald0>
which kind of "love" ?
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<joshu>
hehe
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<DouweM>
the kind of love I feel for the food I'm about to make. See ya later :P
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<shevy>
wald0 well... hipster love
<wald0>
ah, that sounds good! :)
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<MrZYX>
I just use pry and my terminal for debugging ruby
<DouweM>
MrZYX: that looks great
<DouweM>
but yeah, I'm comfortable just using pry
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<shime>
MrZYX: that's more than enough
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<DouweM>
Has anyone gotten SublimeCodeIntel to work for Ruby?
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<DouweM>
It's supposed to be supported, but I had a lot of trouble getting it running when I last tried, and eventually just gave up
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<bitcycle>
Hey all. I have to write functional tests, and writing them in ruby makes the most sense for our shop. I'm wondering what library is most commonly used to write tests in ruby?
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<joshu>
bitcycle hi rspec or minitest
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<shevy>
sec^nd dunno I still use bluefish 1.0.8
<bitcycle>
joshu: I was thinking of using rspec, but what is the tradeoff? Are ther other more hip frameworks that do things that rspec can't or won't do?
<shevy>
an IDE seems not necessary that much in ruby
<invsblduck>
platzhirsch: sorry if my question was poor, i thought yours was worse ;p
<shevy>
lol
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<benzrf>
shevy: a parser is an object with a #parse method that takes a string or something with read/tell/seek
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<platzhirsch>
invsblduck: oh there actually a duck in your name
<benzrf>
shevy: then the method returns some kind of meaningful representation
<platzhirsch>
I haven't noticed, was just babbling around
<benzrf>
shevy: you combine simple parsers to make complicated parsers
<shevy>
cool
<invsblduck>
platzhirsch: oh i thought you hated me lol
<shevy>
I did not notice either
<platzhirsch>
no ^^
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<shevy>
I only looked at /home/duck
<invsblduck>
haha
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<shevy>
benzrf yeah you have some super simple parser that can be combined for the weirdest parser ever
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<benzrf>
shevy: so if 'list' parses a lisp list string into a ruby list, 'sym' turns a lisp symbol into a string, and 'num' turns a number string into a Fixnum, then 'list | sym | num' returns a parser that will try to parse each of those in order and return the first that succeeds
<benzrf>
shevy: so it can parse any of those things
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<benzrf>
shevy: there are a few operators, like |, that you can use on parsers to combine them
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<benzrf>
shevy: you can also use the 'parser' method to turn a block into a parser
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<platzhirsch>
invsblduck: so I had a poor question? :'(
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<benzrf>
shevy: within a block passed to #parser, prepending a parser value with ~ will run it on the current input
<invsblduck>
shevy: MrZYX: so if you have a script in ~/.gem/ruby/1.9.3/bin, it may not be easy to determine which gem generated it. Without inspecting each installed gem.
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<benzrf>
shevy: so something like 'parser {~string("wat"); ~string("oh")}' creates a parser that will parse the string "watoh" and return "oh"
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<benzrf>
shevy: and that's the whole thing
<MrZYX>
invsblduck: once you got a require related to it there's gem which
<benzrf>
rsec.rb is actually only 217 lines
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<benzrf>
i wrote it over the last 2-3 hours
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<invsblduck>
MrZYX: ah right-
<invsblduck>
MrZYX: that gem's not actually installed, hence my confusion :)
<invsblduck>
MrZYX: that answers my question though
<Mage_Dude>
Is there a way to set ENV['force'] = yes when launching a 'bundle exec rake' type command from a command prompt? (Not familiar with Ruby at all)
<MrZYX>
Mage_Dude: great thing is: you don't need to, just standard unix environment stuff: force=yes bundle exec rake
<invsblduck>
15:11:40 platzhirsch | invsblduck: How can you own a gem? The gem belongs to the world <-- Then i thought you shot me and said quack no more, so I accused you of a poor question :P Sry.
<platzhirsch>
xDD
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<invsblduck>
platzhirsch: i was asking which *gem* owns a file on disk, so, "how can you own a gem? it belongs to the world" seemed like not such a good response at the point in which you killed me. ;-)
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<colluphid>
what is the hash sign called when you use it like this: puts "#{NETINFO[:gate]}"
<platzhirsch>
Indeed, I find the question interesting :P
<MrZYX>
colluphid: not sure it has a name, the concept is called string interpolation
<benzrf>
dang ruby's exc is slooooow
<platzhirsch>
invsblduck: well, don't mind me. I am just the #ruby clown
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<invsblduck>
colluphid: i don't think dave thomas gives it a fancy name in the pickaxe book
<invsblduck>
thx guys bbl
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<colluphid>
MrZYX: thx, found what I was looking for with string interpolation
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<Mage_Dude>
MrZYX: Cool, I like easy. :)
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<MrZYX>
lethjakman: global variable. Also forget they exist now
<benzrf>
lethjakman: global var
<benzrf>
DON'T USE THEM
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<platzhirsch>
imo the only doc tool that should be used :P
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<lethjakman>
why's that?
<benzrf>
lethjakman: global vars are eeeevil
<lethjakman>
I've never used them, saw them on SO though
<benzrf>
they make it hard to encapsulate code
<lethjakman>
well when used wrong I would agree with that.
<lethjakman>
but for config?
<MrZYX>
config is CONSTANT
<benzrf>
use a dict or something and pass it around
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<benzrf>
or keep it in a visible place
<benzrf>
do *not* use a global var!
<benzrf>
btw ruby's namespace & require system is really getting on my nerves
<benzrf>
likemike:
<benzrf>
*like
<lethjakman>
MrZYX: what do you mean it's constant? like it's frozen?
<benzrf>
super majorly
<platzhirsch>
So, global variables are for the vitrine, or a zoo
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<MrZYX>
lethjakman: I mean it rarely changes during program execution, thus use constants for it. If it does change use an object assigned to a constant
<shevy>
benzrf it's a simplistic system with all the pros and cons about when using a simplistic system
<benzrf>
shevy: python's is just as simple and it's awesome
<benzrf>
in fact python's is _simpler)
<benzrf>
*simpler
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<platzhirsch>
Yeah, but Python is also stone age
<benzrf>
u wot
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<platzhirsch>
That meme looks British
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<benzrf>
in what way is py stone age
<lethjakman>
but...whitespace.
<benzrf>
hahaha
<benzrf>
whitespace is the shit
<benzrf>
seriously its so great
<platzhirsch>
The syntax gives me the creep and I always get mad when programming Python
<benzrf>
why mad?
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<benlieb>
what does the -> do here: scope :published, -> { where(published: true) }