<Stevo123>
if you know of any Repos that do any sort of Time tracking (maybe with labels) please pass them my way. Would love to see how they currently do it
<Radar>
I can't think of any off the top of my head.
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<stocks_>
Random question, but does anyone here do stock/forex/commodity/etc. trading?
<Radar>
scam ^
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<stocks_>
I'm asking radar, I'm ont advertising anything O.o.
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<havenwood>
stocks_: yes, i'm a nigerian prince who's looking to have a Ruby developer hold some funds offshore
<havenwood>
stocks_: whatcha trying to do?
<stocks_>
havenwood: Very funny.
<Radar>
Please ignore my Nigerian friend. I am a wealthy Arabic prince with many oil investments.
<stocks_>
I forgot that programmers don't invest, my bad :P.
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<havenwood>
stocks_: gem install stock_quote
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<Radar>
Why would we need to invest? We make a mint off programming Ruby as it is.
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<stocks_>
Radar: No idea.
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<nobitanobi>
Hi guys
<havenwood>
nobitanobi: yo
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<nobitanobi>
I am confused about Time class. If I have a Time object that has this value "2013-12-19 14:52:41 -0800" - How do I know which time zone that offset is refering to?
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<nobitanobi>
Nevermind.
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<lewix>
nobitanobi: whats the answer
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<alpha123>
siwica: Seriously though, the Emacs starter kit is pretty good if you're into Emacs.
<siwica>
Its the editor of the devil!
<alpha123>
pfft, such allegations.
<siwica>
VIVIVI
<siwica>
just look at the numbers
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<alpha123>
...dang, that doesn't look so good.
<alpha123>
vim must be the holified version.
<pontiki>
pontificated
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<alpha123>
^ What he said.
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<alpha123>
siwica: Even if you do stick with Emacs, at least give Vim a go. Just to compare. I actually used to be really into Emacs.
<alpha123>
Then I tried Vim and found I was even more productive.
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<siwica>
alpha123: yeah maybe, but at the moment I dont have time to spend another two weeks or so, just to get familiar with the key bindings :)
<alpha123>
Heh, fine. Both have pretty high learning curves. Emacs's is a bit easier though.
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<pontiki>
i learned emacs first, i imprinted on it quite heavily
<pontiki>
so i have a hard time switching editors
<pontiki>
i gave sublime text 2 a good go, but ended up back with emacs because keyboard commands are different between mac and ubuntu
<alpha123>
Surprisingly it wasn't that difficult for me. I think I used Emacs for ~6-8 months before switching to Vim. I admit I am still slightly fond of Emacs.
<pontiki>
i know enough vim to be able to most anything, but i'm not as fast
<pontiki>
i used textmate for a good long while as well, but wound up back with emacs
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<pontiki>
using things like eclipse and rubymine end up frustrating me, except for some pretty specific things
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<alpha123>
Ey, IDEs aren't all they're cracked up to be.
<pontiki>
spelunking through code, libraries, and gems is pretty easy in RM
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<pontiki>
but just flat out editing, not so much
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<alpha123>
Heh. Missed their priorities a bit. :P
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<pontiki>
maybe...
<pontiki>
when i was writing java, *everyone* was using eclipse
<pontiki>
i could begin to see the appeal of it
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<pontiki>
it has a boat load of accelerators, and debugging on the fly can be nice, but java wasn't a language i was really fluent in
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<pontiki>
and i haven't written java in emacs, interestingly enough
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<Aquilo>
gm
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<bgy>
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<Zackio>
Hello, I am having some problems with ZeroMQ not compiling, I am getting extconf.rb:36:in `<main>': Couldn't find zmq library. try setting --with-zmq-dir=<path> to tell me where it is. (RuntimeError)
<Zackio>
I have looked all over for zmq.
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<workmad3>
Zackio: did you install the zeromq package before trying to install the zmq ruby library for interfacing with it?
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<Zackio>
workmad3: Yes, I am using openSUSE if that's important.
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<workmad3>
Zackio: how did you install zeromq? package manager, or compiled from source, or ...?
<Zackio>
workmad3: Package managaer, specifically libzmq3 and zeromq-devel
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<Zackio>
*manager
<lessless>
from documentation to raise - 'With no arguments, raises the exception in $! or raises a RuntimeError if $! is nil. ;'
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<lessless>
what is the $! ?
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<workmad3>
lessless: inside a rescue block, it's the exception
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<Zackio>
workmad3: Hello?
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<workmad3>
Zackio: sorry, got pulled away by work and RL stuff
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<workmad3>
Zackio: chances are, the zmq libraries have just been installed somewhere the gem config script isn't expecting them... I'd suggest finding out the directory and doing 'gem install zmq -- --with-zmq-dir=<path>'
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<shevy>
I can modify the value of this variable and also output it, on a module-basis ?
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<DouweM>
shevy: what's your question exactly?
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<shevy>
I can modify the value of this variable and also output it, on a module-basis ?
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<DouweM>
I saw the question, it's just not very clear to me what exactly you want to know. Yes, Foo has an instance var, yes you can get it through .instance_variable_get
<DouweM>
shevy: you shouldn't though, because instance vars aren't supposed to be public
<shevy>
hmm
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<shevy>
DouweM a moment, need to test something with that
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<shevy>
DouweM this confuses me
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<shevy>
so we can set instance variables in a module... and we can obtain them via .instance_variable_get
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<DouweM>
modules are just instances of the Module class. of course they can have instance variables
<DouweM>
instance_variable_get works on any object
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<shevy>
hmmmm
<shevy>
I need more beer
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<DouweM>
that's a good idea anyway :P
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<lessless>
is rubygems down?
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<shevy>
works for me fine lessless
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<DouweM>
lessless: works for me
<ddd>
i was just asking that but its up.
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<lessless>
ok
<ddd>
are you using the 1.5.0.rc.2?
<shevy>
we also have instance_variable_set
<ddd>
or the stable?
<ddd>
1.3.5
<shevy>
so basically this allows us to set all sorts of instance variables everywhere
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<DouweM>
shevy: which you shouldn't do
<DouweM>
shevy: messing with object's internal state is asking for trouble
<shevy>
hehe
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<DouweM>
Hey zegerjan
<zegerjan>
Hey
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<DouweM>
How are the koans so far?
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<zegerjan>
DouweM: Compared to tryruby this is quite hard
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<DouweM>
:)
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<Hanmac>
DouweM: wrong, "instance_variable_get" only works for objects of Classes that include/prepend/extend Kernel, BasicObject objects for sample does not have "instance_variable_get"
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<DouweM>
Hanmac: you're teaching me to be very specific ;) I knew that, but I usually try not to bring BasicObject into it. I should've said "works on every Object" rather than "object"
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/leave
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<Hanmac>
DouweM: or "works on every object of Object" ;P
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<DouweM>
yeah because that won't be confusing at all
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<DouweM>
I already have to be careful to talk about modules being instances of the Module class. And classes being instances of the Class class. Shit can get confusing
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<DouweM>
I mean, I don't confuse those, but it may read confusing
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<havenwood>
yay for Ruby 2.1 RC1!! \o/
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<havenwood>
been tagged, release looks imminent :)
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<DouweM>
ah, nice! changelog?
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<apeiros_unid>
xibalba: core = stuff loaded with ruby (no require needed), stdlib = stuff bundled with ruby, but not loaded by default (= needs a require)
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<xibalba>
that makes it more clear
<apeiros_unid>
note that there are some in-betweens
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<apeiros_unid>
e.g. Time has stuff in core and in stdlib (Time.parse iirc needs `require 'time'`)
<xibalba>
ah of course there are always a few outlyers
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<shevy>
apeiros_unid why are you unid
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<MrZYX>
yeah, seriously
<xibalba>
whats unid?
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<gl->
hello, I have trouve understanding exactly what RbConfig::CONFIG data is
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<gl->
does it somehow imprt env variable or is it just the environment status when ruby itself was compiled ?
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<arclitgold>
billnye: looking now - would it be under awl_display_key?
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<arclitgold>
oops - disregard
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<apeiros_unid>
shevy, MrZYX: personal laptop broken
<apeiros_unid>
all passwords are there
<reach>
ive noticed that in ruby when you simply add to a string it literally appends to it
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<apeiros_unid>
and accessing the backup without restoring is a bit ugly atm :/
<reach>
like a+3 = a3
<apeiros_unid>
reach: you mean a+"3" ;-p
<reach>
wait, what would a+3 do then
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<apeiros_unid>
raise
<apeiros_unid>
if `a` is a string
<havenwood>
>> 'a' + 3
<eval-in>
havenwood => no implicit conversion of Fixnum into String (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/81531)
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<reach>
how can you do arithmetical operations on strings?
<havenwood>
reach: strictly typed
<apeiros_unid>
reach: you can't
<MrZYX>
reach: don't
<apeiros_unid>
because strings are not arithmetical entities
<reach>
i know
<reach>
in java you can
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<apeiros_unid>
o0
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<reach>
or maybe i was converting to int... i cant remember
<apeiros_unid>
been a bit since java, but I seriously doubt that
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<apeiros_unid>
yes, that's more likely
<apeiros_unid>
same in ruby
<MrZYX>
I do too, doing nothing than java for the last 2 months
<reach>
im just doing a rot13 simple thing
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<apeiros_unid>
if you want arithmetics, convert your strings to numeric entities
<apeiros_unid>
well, rot13 doesn't need arithmetics
<MrZYX>
reach: check String#ord and Fixnum#chr then
<havenwood>
reach: If you have a string and want an integer, convert it: '3'.to_i #=> 3
<reach>
thank you
<apeiros_unid>
str.tr('a-z', 'm-za-m') # or somesuch
<apeiros_unid>
forgot where the "middle" is
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<reach>
it converts a, b to 0
<reach>
hm
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<apeiros_unid>
.ord is the numeric value of the byte in a string
<apeiros_unid>
.to_i converts strings which consist of decimals to the numeric equivalent
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<havenwood>
2.1.0-rc1 is available now with latest ruby-install, rvm or ruby-build! :)
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<shevy>
I will wait for 3.0
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<havenwood>
shevy: lawl
<havenwood>
shevy: 9 more years?
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<havenwood>
the new decimal literal is neat ;)
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<havenwood>
Only think i don't like with 2.1 is refinements not working at the top level with `using`, like it does for `include`, `prepend`. <- Hope that gets resolved (unless I'm just missing how one'd do that now).
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<apeiros_unid>
havenwood: for real?
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<apeiros_unid>
showmeplease :)
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<havenwood>
apeiros_unid: kk, sec
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<apeiros_unid>
tbh, a modern language should default to 3.21 being a decimal, not a float
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<apeiros_unid>
nowadays faaar too many programmers have no f'ing clue about the problems with floats
<apeiros_unid>
not that they go away with decimals, but they align better with expectations
<apeiros_unid>
havenwood: oh, I meant the decimal literal :D
<Hanmac1>
apeiros_unid: make a ticket for that, maybe it will be changed in ruby3.* ;P
<havenwood>
oooh
<havenwood>
apeiros_unid: hehe
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<havenwood>
apeiros_unid: 1.5r #=> (3/2)
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<apeiros_unid>
:-/
<havenwood>
apeiros_unid: that's all i meant >.>
<havenwood>
the refinements thing does bug me though
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<Hanmac>
apeiros_unid: that what the uppercase methods are for like Rational() and BigDecimal() or Float()
<apeiros_unid>
I have little toplevel code, so I can probably live with it. but I understand how it can be annoying. also rather unexpected
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<apeiros_unid>
with 64bit ints, I wonder whether one could do a Fixnum/Bignum equivalent for Decimals
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<apeiros_unid>
i.e. Decimal/BigDecimal
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<Hanmac>
someday there will be 128bit ints in ruby and no body will care because its normal ;p
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<havenwood>
apeiros_unid: yeah, i think it'd be really nice to have at top level - just for uniform experience and because `include`, `prepend` etc are i'd expect it
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<havenwood>
apeiros_unid: true prolly not useful in actual projects, but for code spikes, some small tools, i dunno seems very nice
<havenwood>
for teaching too, kiss
<AntelopeSalad>
what do you think is the best way to reverse running "foobar".sum => 633 , so that if you were to run foo(633) it returns "foobar"?
<AntelopeSalad>
or is it impossible at this point because of not enough information?
<AntelopeSalad>
i think i have to settle for that because i see no other way to convert a string to a number
<LadyRainicorn>
I can'y believe that works
<LadyRainicorn>
You can actually.
<AntelopeSalad>
oh?
<AntelopeSalad>
basically my problem is redis numbers as database names and i want to make a new database for each app i create but my app name is a string
<AntelopeSalad>
so i figured i would convert the app name to an int
<AntelopeSalad>
and thought maybe if i use the ascii representation of the app name it would sort of make sense
<LadyRainicorn>
s.chars.reduce(0){|x,y|x*256+y}
<AntelopeSalad>
*uses numbers
<apeiros_unid>
the name #sum may be misleading
<LadyRainicorn>
(Assuminf all chars 0..256)
<apeiros_unid>
why the hell do they call a checksum "sum"? boggles the mind :(
<LadyRainicorn>
that code isnt rigtt becsusebr. drunk
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<LadyRainicorn>
but you get the idea
<AntelopeSalad>
yeah it fails to run
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<LadyRainicorn>
char.map(&:ord)
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<LadyRainicorn>
maybe
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<LadyRainicorn>
cuckk
<LadyRainicorn>
haha
<AntelopeSalad>
apeiros_unid: according to SO it sums up all of the character codes
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<LadyRainicorn>
SO?
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<apeiros_unid>
AntelopeSalad: note that character code != bytes
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<havenwood>
Oh, okay - well that helps so much: "A Ponicorn is part Pony, part Unicorn. They are rare creatures that only speak in Dolphin with the occasional Monkey sound. Ponicorn's are highly sought after pets as they can grant you 2.75 wishes."
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<AntelopeSalad>
well
<apeiros_unid>
do you have a say in which is the 0.75 wish?
<AntelopeSalad>
look at this madness
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<LadyRainicorn>
Yes
<havenwood>
apeiros_unid: hmm, yeah that could turn out rather badly if rand
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<LadyRainicorn>
But .75 of a wish rarelt rurbns out like epoepke wnt
<AntelopeSalad>
lol?
<LadyRainicorn>
rarelt people want
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<LadyRainicorn>
AntelopeSalad: Behold %
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<LadyRainicorn>
MODULAR ARITHMETIC FTW BITCHES
* apeiros_unid
wonders whether AntelopeSalad has a docuphobia
<AntelopeSalad>
i looked at it
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<apeiros_unid>
and you still don't know from where the 34464 comes?
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<apeiros_unid>
first 5 words tell you…
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<LadyRainicorn>
BEHOLD %
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<AntelopeSalad>
all my brain sees is "1000 makes sense, 10000 makes sense, what"
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<LadyRainicorn>
Your brain is probably in the sxooe of BasicObject then
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<AntelopeSalad>
i'm not sure what that means, but thanks (maybe)
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<LadyRainicorn>
haha
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<apeiros_unid>
I think neither does LadyRainicorn know :-p
<LadyRainicorn>
i nam not sure what anything means
<LadyRainicorn>
BECAUSEIE TRURHT IS A FRIAR
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<LadyRainicorn>
in other news, diazepam + alcohol + #ruby == genius
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<shevy>
lol
<LadyRainicorn>
aka me
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<shevy>
you are a funny ponicorn when drunk
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<LadyRainicorn>
I am alwayd a funny ponicorn!!!
<LadyRainicorn>
:3
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<apeiros_unid>
pattern question: given I have a library `foo`, and foo needs some data loaded in order to work. I'd like to let `foo` automatically load the data that ships with the gem. any good pattern to avoid the automatic loading on specific request?
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<apeiros_unid>
so far I used to let `require 'foo'` not load any data and `require 'foo/autoload'` load all data. but I'm not happy with that.
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<LadyRainicorn>
reverse and make foo/lazy?
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<LadyRainicorn>
or make load on use?
<LadyRainicorn>
we really
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<apeiros_unid>
you mean as in: require 'foo/lazy' to have no data, require 'foo' to have data?
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<apeiros_unid>
it's an approach. one ugliness of it would be that all in Foo would have to be moved to foo/lazy.rb and foo.rb basically just requires foo/lazy.rb + loads the data
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<LadyRainicorn>
Yeah,
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<LadyRainicorn>
I mwan, there are a million ways to do ti
<LadyRainicorn>
I gues sit depenss on your use casue
<Hanmac>
apeiros_unid: or use C-extension and make a foo.so file and a foo.rb file that does addional stuff ;P
<apeiros_unid>
Hanmac: hell no
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<LadyRainicorn>
55
<apeiros_unid>
what does 55 mean?
<LadyRainicorn>
haha
<Hanmac>
"55 and more evil ways to NOT write your code" written by Hanmac ;P
<LadyRainicorn>
it is thai char slang
<lewix>
best website for plane tickets?
<LadyRainicorn>
i like skyscanner
<LadyRainicorn>
I dwll like goinf somewhere
<LadyRainicorn>
mayve i will sell a bitcoin haha
<LadyRainicorn>
take holidayyy
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<apeiros_unid>
urbandict has interesting definitions for 55…
<apeiros_unid>
you're thai, LadyRainicorn?
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<shevy>
ponicorns you can't type shit when you are drunk
<LadyRainicorn>
yeag
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<LadyRainicorn>
haha
<LadyRainicorn>
i type good!
<LadyRainicorn>
4063tpype tpue
<LadyRainicorn>
type type type
<shevy>
tpue what the heck is tpue
<apeiros_unid>
isn't thailand home of the sunicorns? rainicorns are more native to my country…
<shevy>
the land of the schokli?
<LadyRainicorn>
we have like six months of rain haha
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<LadyRainicorn>
rainy season
* apeiros_unid
smacks shevy with a large schokli - whatever that is
<LadyRainicorn>
cf climate od thailand
<shevy>
you should move to sunshine valley
<shevy>
with the rainbows
<apeiros_unid>
oh, true… I keep forgetting that monsun thingy :D
<Hanmac>
shevy thats how WindowsVista happens
<apeiros_unid>
tiny oversight ^^
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<shevy>
the vista disaster was planned
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<Hanmac>
yeah its a bit conspiracy
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<apeiros_unid>
grmpf, I still suck at wolframalpha queries
<apeiros_unid>
can't get it to compare precipitation in switzerland vs. thailand
<LadyRainicorn>
aww
<LadyRainicorn>
just wikipedia
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<shevy>
all I know is that thailand is cheap
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<LadyRainicorn>
Haha depends on where you're from
<LadyRainicorn>
Compared to Cambodia or Laos it's wuire expensive
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<reach>
textmate is the best thing ever
<reach>
this is exactly what i want when im writing code
<reach>
very simple
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<reach>
minimalist
<MrZYX>
no editor war pls
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<reach>
works just like a quasi-command line too
<reach>
MrZYX: do you havea job as a developer?
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<MrZYX>
nope, still student
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<reach>
ah
<reach>
same
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<reach>
although I'm a math major, but I thought I'd learn a programming language
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<shevy>
oh no
<shevy>
you sound like a typical haskell guy
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<shevy>
reach, what is the yin-yang monad
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<reach>
never learned haskell
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<reach>
shevy: why so much hate?
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<MrZYX>
as many people do, shevy fears the unknown ;)
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<reach>
to tell you the truth i would probably learn lisp first if the jobs werent few and far inbetween and already many established lisp programmers
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<havenwood>
reach: Ruby is great if you "like the concept of LISP, but don't like too many parentheses." (From Ruby's manpage.)
<reach>
i made a good choice then :D
<havenwood>
reach: Clojure and Chicken Scheme are the other modern Lisp options, but <3 Ruby.
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<reach>
I'm just not digging reading a book from front to cover
<reach>
i have programming experience
<reach>
is it okay to learn by just doing these exercises programmingpraxis.com/contents/themes/
<reach>
people post solutions in many different languages, so i can see solutions and just translate into ruby
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<reach>
that came out bad, obviously i would attempt my own first and look at a solution when i got stuck for too long
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<havenwood>
reach: maybe breeze through tryruby.org and koans.heroku.com then try some challenges in Ruby
<reach>
havenwood: i did rubymonk for a bit, most of the beginners. then i started reading programming ruby for a few chapters
<reach>
and it's just too boring
<lagweezle>
Interesting! The online one is an interesting addition. The Ruby Koans are quite nice for direct stuff.
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<havenwood>
reach: tried any Project Eueler problems in Ruby?
<meatherly>
Anybody know of any good AOP gems for ruby. I want to learn how to do some AOP and I'm looking for a good place to start. I see the https://github.com/gcao/aspector gem. Is it any good?
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<slash_nick>
meatherly: From what I gleaned about AOP from wiki just now and what you asked for, looks like "pay_dirt" might fit.
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