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ok
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<ght>
Question: I have lots of logging and begin / rescue segments for individual API calls in my Ruby app, with begin / rescue statments wrapping my XLMRPC and RestClient calls, that all works great, but I was wondering...
<ght>
Is there a watch to catchall ruby errors, in case anything else comes up? Do you have to wrap your entire app in a begin / rescue statement?
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<ght>
I guess I should say, any tips on global exception handilng within a ruby application?
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<shevy>
this works fine, but now I want to also add "on tab completion, also return all current files"
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<shevy>
guess I shall ask #bash
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<tejas-manohar>
what's the difference between a standard .post and .post_form? it's all just an HTTP POST request right? how do i replicate effects of .post_form in net/http when i use another http client like faraday?
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<tejas-manohar>
Mon_Ouie: thoughts? ^
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<tejas-manohar>
shevy: or havenwood: you here?
<shevy>
I am here but I dont know what is post or post_form
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<tejas-manohar>
shevy: oh net/http POST sends POST request :)
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<anitchrist>
I run something close to this http://pastebin.com/0wG408nX in ruby's interactive mode and it prints out all the attr_reader's and then what must be the information result at the end, but when I write make a text(.rb) file with the same two lines the I write in irb all I get is http://pastebin.com/XG7vitGa
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<anitchrist>
I don't run the .rb file in irb when the information is missing I do it from the command prompt i.e. '$ ruby file.rb'
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<bronson>
This doesn't make much sense... you're using attr_reader outside a class definition?
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<bronson>
And presumably you're running 'ruby file.rb' and not 'irb file.rb' ?
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<shevy>
anitchrist you know, attr_reader :foo is the same as doing: def foo; @foo; end
<shevy>
anitchrist but I don't think this code could run for you
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<shevy>
When I try it in irb I get an error:
<shevy>
attr_reader :directory
<shevy>
NoMethodError: undefined method `attr_reader' for main:Object
<anitchrist>
right cause I changed some things so that the destination isn't there for others
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<anitchrist>
shevy: it runs for me
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<anitchrist>
just tryna figure out why it doesn't print out the results
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<anitchrist>
with ruby but it does in rib
<shevy>
yeah it can run for you
<shevy>
but not the code you showed us right?
<anitchrist>
irb
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<shevy>
nope
<shevy>
attr_reader :foo
<anitchrist>
no the code I showed you is for general examples
<shevy>
NoMethodError: undefined method `attr_reader' for main:Object
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<shevy>
soon 2014 is over
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<anitchrist>
I run something close to this http://pastebin.com/0wG408nX in ruby's interactive mode and it prints out all the attr_reader's and then what must be the information result at the end, but when I write make a text(.rb) file with the same two lines the I write in irb all I get is http://pastebin.com/XG7vitGa
<anitchrist>
I don't run the .rb file in irb when the information is missing I do it from the command prompt i.e. '$ ruby file.rb'
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<dionysus69>
hello everyone, I had 1.9.3 and thought I would switch to 2.1.1 but when i did the gems are lost, how can I use same gems with 2.1.1?
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<hanmac1>
dionysus69: switch to 1.9.3 make a list of the gems with "gem list" then switch to 2.1.1 and reinstall them again manually ... (if you had used rvm it might be a bit easier, but the gems still need to be reinstalled)
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<dionysus69>
hanmac1 i created a gemset on 1.9.3 but how do i install the gemset on 2.1.1?
<dionysus69>
and yes i am using rvm
<hanmac1>
OHH you are already using rvm ? that makes it easier
<St1gma>
$ rvm gemset list
<St1gma>
$ rvm gemset use <name>
<hanmac1>
and "rvm gemset copy"
<St1gma>
^
<St1gma>
forgot that
<dionysus69>
it lists the one i created in 1.9.3 but 2.1.1 doesnt see 1.9.3 gemset :\
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<dionysus69>
rvm gemset copy 2.1.1 2.1.2 ?
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<hanmac1>
dionysus69: what does rvm list returns?
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<hanmac1>
"rvm gemset copy 1.9.3 2.1.1" should do what you want ... maybe
<sevenseacat>
you dont want to copy the gems, as some of them will need to be recompiled
<sevenseacat>
just bundle
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<dionysus69>
ok i set the right gem on 2.1.1
<dionysus69>
but when I do gem list it still doesnt show gems installed
<sevenseacat>
did you bundle?
<dionysus69>
do i need to to bundler install to install?
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<sevenseacat>
this is the problem when you cross-post questions
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<dionysus69>
sorry sevenseacat more people seemd on ruby channel :s
<dionysus69>
ok sevenseacat I understood now thanks, i didnt need gemsets at all then I assume :)
<sevenseacat>
nope. gemsets are pointless.
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<dionysus69>
thanks folks
<dionysus69>
!
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<hanmac1>
sevenseacat: hm i thought that gemset copy does recompile them ... (hm i need to ask again in the channel ) and for myself i dont like bundler ... i have seen to many users having problems with it
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<dionysus69>
and how does the ruby versioning go, should I always use the latest or is 2.1.1 fine for development? because I just noticed 2.1.2 exists
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<sevenseacat>
2.2.0 also exists
<hanmac1>
dionysus69: 2.1.5 exist too, and 2.2.0 was released as christmas present
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<dionysus69>
hanmac1 should I take a look at 2.2.0 then or is it a surplus headache?
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<Hanmac>
2.2.0 should be fine to, if 2.1 was
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<dionysus69>
Hanmac: ok :)
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<aiguu>
Is there anyway in Ruby to create a fake file in memory so you can pass filenames to functions and write to a file without writing to disk?
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<Nameo0>
Hello! I just wanted to share with everyone that I figured out how to use Nokogiri and Mechanize together after a lot of stupid mistakes! =)
<Nameo0>
Have a nice evening. =)
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<zenspider>
Nameo0: that's ... great?
<zenspider>
they're made to work together...
<Nameo0>
Hence stupid mistakes. First type scrapping a website. =P
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<pentanol>
hi all, how use gem with proxy? I want make bundle install and perset http proxy but in Gemfile that want use https://... http://pastebin.ca/2894154
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<atmosx>
Good morning
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<pentanol>
who there?
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<shock_one>
Hi. I'm using PStore to write to share some data between processes. However, when two threads try to write at the same time, it fails with a transaction error. Is there a way to automatically retry transactions? Or maybe a different PStore implementation that does such thing.
<shock_one>
*PStore to share some...
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<Hanmac>
unshadow: the problem about is that it might crash gems you want to install with that
<Hanmac>
because if you want to install gems that bind libraries, the lib, ruby and the gem should be build with the same compiler
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<non1ck>
hi, does puts call to_s if a array is provided? or is there a instance of check first
<non1ck>
i was wondering how it is implemented
<non1ck>
since every element is printed in a new line
<unshadow>
Hanmac: yeha I know, this is why "clang" is not only a make dependency, people should only install if they are ready to compile all gems from source with clang.
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<Hanmac>
unshadow: and like i said the libs that does the gems depend on need to be compiled with clang too
<apeiros_>
non1ck: generally puts calls to_s on passed objects. but array is special cased. it prints each element on a new line.
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<non1ck>
apeiros_, yes i know that. my question was about the internal implementation of this behavior
<apeiros_>
non1ck: yes, it tests the type
<non1ck>
apeiros_, thx
<atmosx>
I'm trying to emulate the behaviour of a program that runs on the background here: https://gist.github.com/atmosx/df4bfefd7666c70ba9e4 ... I'd like to use 'optparse' to handle it. Is my approach okay? I've read too many docs and I'm a bit confused.
<atmosx>
seems to work though
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<unshadow>
What do people mean when they say "ruby is single threaded" ?
<unshadow>
I know I can use Threads to create a multi threaded program.. so.. what gives ?
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<diegoviola>
"If I thought Ruby itself were the answer, I wouldn't be working on Rubinius, Rubinius 3.0 or Rubinius X. As you know from reading about Rubinius X, I think Ruby is dying."
<diegoviola>
I keep reading these "ruby is dying" comments, what are your thoughts?
<apeiros_>
I think it's nonsense
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<apeiros_>
it's people who discover that ruby is not a silver bullet. surprise.
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<godd2>
Ruby is a panacea if all you want to do is write Ruby.
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<sevenseacat>
i dont get those people who say stuff like 'ruby is dying'
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<Hanmac>
maybe thats java-guys and thats what they wish for ...
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<pipework>
sevenseacat: RIP in peace, rails.
<sevenseacat>
but then again, im no programming guru, just a smalltown girl living in a lonely world or something like that
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<pipework>
sevenseacat: If I were half as sober as you are funny, I might've laughed and not started singing. :(
<sevenseacat>
haha
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<diegoviola>
maybe brixen can explain what he meant by that then
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<diegoviola>
explain us
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<diegoviola>
I know he's smart guy and have had some issues with MRI way of development
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<apeiros_>
pipework: I… don't even want to know…
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<pipework>
apeiros_: I don't blame you, I'm in the same party as you. :( Also, good morning.
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<godd2>
apeiros_ youve never taken the midnight train goin anywhere?
<apeiros_>
yo, moin :)
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<apeiros_>
godd2: I was referring to the "brown bullet"
<apeiros_>
I now have those imaginations about where and how pipework codes. it's not nice. make it stop.
<godd2>
in the... forest?
<pipework>
apeiros_: I have the same problem, but I'm usually too drunk to answer any of those questions anyways
<diegoviola>
I disagree with his "ruby is dying" comment though, that's like saying "Perl is dying", it's still alive and well, despite of being really old
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<pipework>
Life is dying.
<diegoviola>
yeah sure
<jefus>
nobody's put the brown bullet in perl's head yet?
<godd2>
I have a feeling that Perl 6 may go the way of Arc
<pipework>
Only used by the author?
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<ponga>
i agree with diegoviola
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<ponga>
i hate especially those IT faggots who say things like "Oh oh XX is so old, so last year oh oh"
<ponga>
no wonder they live in mom's basement
<godd2>
yes, we refined Rubyists live in our mothers' attics
<apeiros_>
ponga: language
<pipework>
ponga: The ruby community doesn't welcome the use of 'faggot' as a pejorative.
<ponga>
oh ok
<ponga>
sorry
<pipework>
Manage your prejudice.
<ayaz>
Or use Perl.
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<godd2>
pipework the ruby community does not welcome telling others they have prejudice
<SivanRulez>
Hii
<pipework>
godd2: The ruby community does not welcome.
<godd2>
Maybe Ruby was the name of Schrödinger's cat
<pipework>
diegoviola: I think the only people who say that ruby is dead with any modicum of seriousness are people who aren't doing ruby.
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<pipework>
Or just got burned by something related to ruby and they're bovvered.
<diegoviola>
pipework: like java guys?
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<pipework>
diegoviola: I don't think you can level that kind of assessment onto another community like that and be taken seriously.
<ponga>
thumbs up godd2
<ponga>
the cat
<pipework>
But this is the internet, seriousness isn't exactly the name of the game.
<diegoviola>
pipework: right
<ponga>
sorry mate but i don't think pipework can't understand good jokes here
<ponga>
im damn sure diegoviola had a fine java joke
<godd2>
ponga I do what I can
<pipework>
ponga: Just stick around, you'll find the real jokes.
<diegoviola>
shouldn't have joked with en entire group like that, sorry
<ponga>
and godd2 too with his awesome cat joke
<godd2>
I think pipework just called one of us a big joke...
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<ponga>
what, real jokes that i have to be wearing a suit and follow courtesy to find laughter at?
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<ayaz>
That would be something.
<ponga>
come on ser, i know i was being harsh, but theirs were just fine
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<ponga>
and diegoviola i'm a big noob around here but facing such title for an article makes me think more of that ruby might die :p ....
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<ponga>
why would one write such words if its just fine lol
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<ponga>
its like saying "we're just fine!!!!!" in sinking ship?
<pipework>
pageviews, the made up points of the internet.
<ponga>
ah hah
<ponga>
pageviews and ad profit?
<ponga>
thanks
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<ponga>
that helped
<godd2>
Ruby just needs a killer app. and a hashtag. those still work, right?
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<bradland>
killer apps! I remember hose
<bradland>
*those
<pipework>
godd2: Let's make a framework for making things and make it so easy a developer could use it.
<bradland>
i figured they were all indicted and put away by now though
<godd2>
pipework what if. we made a framework. for making frameworks.
<ponga>
isn't rails a killer app for ruby tho
<pipework>
godd2: Will our frames work?
<ponga>
they all love ruby don they?
<godd2>
get a VC on the phone right now!
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<bradland>
“killer app” is jargon
<bradland>
i’m just poking fun at the term :)
<godd2>
Our frame work will have no frames and it won't work. It's the next step in Hipster technology
<pipework>
It'll be so outside of the box.
<godd2>
that way we'll know if ruby's dead or alive.
<pipework>
It'll scale to a scale that no one has ever heard of before.
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<pipework>
Hipsterscale.
<godd2>
webscale times hashtag == hipsterscale
<godd2>
let's invent the quadruple equals sign
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<godd2>
pipework now that I think about it, a framework making gem might be sorta possible.
<pipework>
You can never too meta
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<ponga>
framework dead?
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<shevy>
real men used ruby before rails was there
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<ponga>
hi shevy
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<godd2>
shevy Can I still be a real boy?
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<DeltaHeavy>
Hey, I'm trying to install Sass on my Windows workstation at work but the firewall and proxy settings here make it so I'm unable to use any sort of package management. Does anybody know how I can get Sass running without having to use 'gem install' or something similar?
<ponga>
shevy: i learnt ruby prior to realize that rails existed, does it make a man
<shevy>
godd2 you can be a hipster
<bradland>
DeltaHeavy: you can download gem files and install them with the gem command
<DeltaHeavy>
bradland: Awesome, thanks.
<shevy>
ponga yeah although I don't know how you could know ruby but not rails
<ponga>
it was the second thing i leanrt after the java beginner book
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<shevy>
DeltaHeavy what about amount and quality of libraries and other add-ons
<DeltaHeavy>
Hm?
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<shevy>
for instance - python has a solid grip in the scientific world there compared to ruby
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<DeltaHeavy>
shevy: They both have a lot of libraries for a lot of things. I find there's always a library for everything I need in Python though I'm not much of a Ruby guy.
<DeltaHeavy>
I don't know much about scientific programming.
<DeltaHeavy>
No need to
<DeltaHeavy>
I guess that would be a use the right tool for the right job.
<godd2>
shevy well I mean, you can always write c extensions in ruby, and C has been used in scientific programming for some time now, so doesn't ruby get that for free by cheating a little?
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<DeltaHeavy>
You wouldn't say Python is objectively better than Ruby because it may be better at one thing.
<shevy>
this is how perl got book - when the human genome sequence was obtained, they all used perl
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<godd2>
DeltaHeavy well Python would be objectively better at that one thing :P
<DeltaHeavy>
Why the hell would you use C for scientific programming unless you needed a lot of preformance?
<shevy>
you can have a crap language and still have great software - mediawiki, phpbb
<DeltaHeavy>
godd2: My statement was clearly stalking in the general sense though :p
<DeltaHeavy>
Perl is fine
<DeltaHeavy>
People hate Perl cause they don't know Perl
<shevy>
yeah you don't know a thing about scientific programming, this is clear. people use C and C++ and java. and then there comes the question of a lighter scripting language, and python wins out there almost always
<Nilium>
Perl's already made a name for itself, it has no need to prove anything.
<shevy>
perl is declining
<Nilium>
PHP, on the other hand, will never stop being a joke.
<Nilium>
And a punchline.
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<Nilium>
PHP is basically a recursive joke.
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<DeltaHeavy>
Nilium: Well unless you needed to do super computing and stuff like that yeah. I imagine the VAST majority of scientific programming doesn't need that kind of performance.
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<shevy>
PHP is mostly a bad joke in itself
<Nilium>
Probably not. You could use Lisp for all I care. If the language has some form of support for rationals, either built-in or via a library, that's really all I care about for doing accurate anything, but what I do that requires accuracy is very much not scientific programming.
<Nilium>
*use a Lisp
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<DeltaHeavy>
Eh, PHP has a lot wrong with it but it's not as god awful as most make it out to be IMO. I avoid it when I can but I end up using it sometimes because it's what EVERYBODY knows in the web world.
<Nilium>
I use it for public-facing stuff. That's about it.
<shevy>
haha
<Nilium>
i.e., things where I want to be able to do <?= $fuck ?>
<shevy>
yeah
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<shevy>
you use php
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<Nilium>
But I've seen people use it as an alternative to shell scripts
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<DeltaHeavy>
I try and use Python/Flask for small stuff and Python/Django for big stuff. Getting into NodeJS for certain stuff too. Like avoiding PHP whenever possible but when you're working with 10 other web devs it's often the right tool for the job.
<DeltaHeavy>
And when you're using something like Laravel it becomes a lot less painful.
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<DeltaHeavy>
It's not hard to get over PHP's shortcomings.
<DeltaHeavy>
It's just kinda like "Oh, that's dumb"
<Nilium>
Unfortunately, almost nobody at work has figured out the whole "write readable PHP" thing
<DeltaHeavy>
I'm doing C#.NET MVC at work right now and everybody writes all their logic in the views.
<DeltaHeavy>
It's hard not to be a bitch about it.
<Nilium>
So I'm constantly about 5 seconds away from breaking my foot off in someone's ass over their inability to document their fucking code
<shevy>
it's self-documenting code
<Nilium>
'Cause if your language of choice is untyped, you bet I'm going to be angry when I can't tell what a variable's type is
<DeltaHeavy>
I kinda want to get a job at some bullshit hipster startup in hopes I'll find devs there with a similar mindset.
<Nilium>
s/untyped/not statically typed/
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<Nilium>
I work at a place that pretends it's a startup.
<DeltaHeavy>
shevy: If you don't write comments period and think your code is self documented. no....just no
<Nilium>
Unfortunately that doesn't really mean anything good for tech choices.
<DeltaHeavy>
My code is written to be as readable as possible but it's nice to have comments that describe WHY the code is doing what it's doing and WHY this needs to be this way and not that way.
<Nilium>
Speaking of work, I should head out.
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<shevy>
DeltaHeavy eh I don't write PHP
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<DeltaHeavy>
shevy: If you're working with a bunch of other devs and the one common language you all know is PHP, using PHP is probably the best option.
<shevy>
nope
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<DeltaHeavy>
Well enjoy having a bunch of devs who have to learn a whole new language because of your inability to get over inconsistencies :p
<DeltaHeavy>
If PHP devs aren't devs you're a straight up elitist.
<shevy>
get better devs man
<DeltaHeavy>
OH, I DONT LIKE THAT PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE. IF YOU USE IT UR NOT A REALLLZZZZ PROGRAMMER
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<DeltaHeavy>
Real developers can write PHP and not get hung up on some aspergers ~correctness~ bullshit. I avoid it, but SOMETIMES it's the right tool for a project.
<shevy>
real developers don't use php
<DeltaHeavy>
Real developers aren't snobby elitists lol
<shevy>
ok what are the real advantages you see in PHP DeltaHeavy?
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<DeltaHeavy>
I use PHP sometimes but I mainly use Python, C#, JavaScript. Am I not a real dev?
<DeltaHeavy>
shevy: Everybody knows it.
<shevy>
clearly python does not fulfill a need you have there
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<DeltaHeavy>
Naw, you're just a scrub lol
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<shevy>
it's sad that you can't abandon php
<shevy>
and you get so personal
<DeltaHeavy>
Probably freelance and don't work on projects with dozens of devs
<shevy>
are you 3 years old?
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<shevy>
what is those dozens of PHP devs you have there
<shevy>
facebook?
<j2p2>
shevy, wouldn't being personal be criticizing someone for using php?
<DeltaHeavy>
No, I just don't have any tolerance for bullshit elitist attitudes who label me as not a real developer because I sometimes use PHP even though I avoid it.
<j2p2>
I mean, who cares what people use
<shevy>
j2p2 you mean using or developing?
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<shevy>
j2p2 DeltaHeavy looks more like a dev than a user to me
<j2p2>
I'm not even gonna engage, just saying
<DeltaHeavy>
Right now I use C#.NET at work but I've worked on prjoets working on MAJOR e-commerce sites powered by PHP. The platform was written in PHP and was the best tool for the job so we used it. We didn't let bullshit eliest bullshit get in the way of making a good decision.
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<shevy>
j2p2 as a user it is perfectly fine to use good software - see above my statements concerning mediawiki and phpbb. neither ruby nor python have anything that comes remotely close to either of these two
<DeltaHeavy>
I also think the benefits of everybody knowing the language being used far outweigh everybody having to learn a more "correct" language.
<shevy>
<Nilium> Unfortunately, almost nobody at work has figured out the whole "write readable PHP" thing
<DeltaHeavy>
If you think I'm not a real dev cause I hold that opinion you're just an idiot.
<shevy>
so you such a childish fanboi
<wmoxam>
shevy: and if a company has a good product written in PHP then don't work with them or otherwise you're "not a real dev"?
* wmoxam
rolls eyes
<DeltaHeavy>
I'm enough of an experienced developer to be able to use PHP without getting hung up on it's bullshit. It's not hard...really.
<shevy>
wmoxam yeah you don't have a choice there, you get hired to code in language XYZ chosen by those who hand out your paycheck
<DeltaHeavy>
I don't like PHP. How the hell am I a fanboy? YOU'RE the fanboy lol
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<shevy>
wait a moment DeltaHeavy
<shevy>
<DeltaHeavy> Anybody who argues otherwise is just a fanboy IMO
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<wmoxam>
shevy: okay, but that's not what you were saying earlier
<wmoxam>
:p
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<DeltaHeavy>
shevy: I was refering to a statement like "Ruby is objectively better than Python". If you say that I'll just assume you're a shit dev and move on.
<wmoxam>
in some cases PHP makes sense
<shevy>
Ruby is the better language
<DeltaHeavy>
Though I'm already drawing up some conclusions.
<DeltaHeavy>
rofl ok
<DeltaHeavy>
You're an idiot dev goodbye
<shevy>
DeltaHeavy explain to me why explicit self is better
<DeltaHeavy>
Not wasting my time
<wmoxam>
ie: existing product already written in PHP, existing team already experienced with PHP
<wmoxam>
etc
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<wmoxam>
Fanbois gonna fan
<DeltaHeavy>
^
<DeltaHeavy>
So glad I'm smarter than to sperg out over my favorite language like some sort of paladin.
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<DeltaHeavy>
MY PREFERENCES ARE OBJECTIVE FACT
<DeltaHeavy>
HANDLE IT
<shevy>
lol
<shevy>
that's why you write them in caps
<DeltaHeavy>
Protip: Use the language you're most productive in
<shevy>
Protip: Use inferior languages
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<DeltaHeavy>
rofl you're fucking retarded dude
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<DeltaHeavy>
4realzies now I'm just going to forget you exist now
<shevy>
What does the word "4realzies". Are you a local chan4-resident?
<St1gma>
This is a Ruby channel. Keep your discussion to that. If you want to discuss "Which is the better language?" then join #programming or keep it on private.
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<wmoxam>
St1gma: ty
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<godd2>
shevy huh, I wonder what that recent spike is for Ruby
<shevy>
probably a glitch
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<godd2>
could be that or jruby 9k or opal or some other new thing
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<shevy>
dunno, it seems a bit too unreasonable to so quickly see such a rise
<shevy>
after all TIOBE says that ruby is dying
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<shevy>
:>
<IceDragon>
shevy!
* IceDragon
runs in slo-mo for a hug
<shevy>
Icy Dragon! there is snow all around here and it is -4.5 °C outside :(
<IceDragon>
Muhahahahahh!
<IceDragon>
WORLD DOMINATION
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<waxjar>
i think the spike is there because ruby is more than just a programming language. if you select "ruby the programming language" the line stays pretty much flat :)
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<waxjar>
python isn't even recognised as a programming language, just a game and a reptile. hehe
<waxjar>
eh, comedy group i mean
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<wasamasa>
wat
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<godd2>
axilla returning within an iterator is probably a code smell
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<godd2>
I have a feeling that on line 6 you're trying to find something out about all the children, and that if any of them have a certain property, you return false. perhaps you should look into Enumerable#any?
<axilla>
godd2: that's exactly what i'm doing, i'm checking the children for duplicate names
<axilla>
they're folders in our app, and we don't allow duplicates
<axilla>
thanks a lot godd, good stuff
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<gregf__>
axilla: you can also do the folder_name.gsub("+", " ") at the top :/
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<atmosx>
Is there a way to debug a runtime error further to understand if I can use another kind of exception (more specific) to this issue? I'm getting this #<RuntimeError: no acceptor (port is in use or requires root privileges)> ... but IIRC RuntimeError is generic.
<atmosx>
I'm using Exception => e (which I know is bad practice)
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<IceDragon>
atmosx: If you're writing the library in question you can create your own exception inheriting from RuntimeError, otherwise you could rescue and parse it and raise a custom exception (now why the hell did I even think of that)
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<bradland>
is this poor form? foo = { bar: 'baz' }; foo[:qux] ? true : false
<bradland>
versus something like this: foo = { bar: 'baz' }; foo.has_key?(:qux) ? true : false
<bradland>
the difference i’m interested in is whether it is OK to simply use the hash reference as the condition, or should one use Hash#has_key?
<IceDragon>
bradland: if the key can be nil or a Boolean, use the has_key?
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<bradland>
ah, i see. so that’s when has_key? is useful.
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<IceDragon>
has_key checks if the key exists
<IceDragon>
referencing will return the Object or nil (if its not found)
<shevy>
this dragon is a wise dragon
<IceDragon>
correction: it will return whatever you set the default for the Hash
<IceDragon>
:P
<IceDragon>
default: nil
<IceDragon>
shevy: yeah right, I'm just searching for motivation right now
<bradland>
yeah, in this case, i’m using a hash as a bucket for strings that are being passed around, which may or may not have certain keys defined
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<bradland>
so i can use the hash directly in the conditional
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<IceDragon>
when in doubt use has_key? or just key?
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<shevy>
or .has_cheese?
<shevy>
I like has_key? but I think the correct way is .key?
<IceDragon>
shevy.got_milk?
<shevy>
I ain't a woman
<shevy>
no cow milk in the fridge either :(
<IceDragon>
bah
<IceDragon>
:(
<IceDragon>
Go buy milk, so the method returns true
<IceDragon>
:P
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<shevy>
well I bought some other stuff instead. cheese for instance, also one beer
<IceDragon>
Hmm
* IceDragon
takes the cheese and beer and stares at the
<IceDragon>
*them
<IceDragon>
cheese beer?
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<shevy>
kinda
<shevy>
if you eat cheese and drink beer at the same time, you have both in your stomach!
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<pzzn>
Hi everyone, I have a ruby script that logs to a loge file using ruby’s “Logger” class. I want to run multiple instances of the script in seperate terminals which will log to the same log file. I was wondering the logger can properly handle this?
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<IceDragon>
pzzn: at that point, you don't normally use logger, you'd have a log server which every instance writes to, which then writes to the log file
<IceDragon>
[instances] > log-server > log-file
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<IceDragon>
since I don't believe you can open multiple write handles to the same log file
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<pzzn>
IceDragon: thank you. do you happen to know of a log-server?
<IceDragon>
I remembered using one, but it was for Go
<IceDragon>
or was it clojure..
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<IceDragon>
Shouldn't be too hard to implement in ruby, spin up a sinatra server with a simple POST /log route, and then all your client apps will send HTTP requests to the server
<IceDragon>
shevy: do you know any log servers for ruby?
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<Morrolan>
Oooor you could use Syslog :D
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<IceDragon>
What is this syslog you speak of Morrolan one :O
* IceDragon
googles
<Morrolan>
:P
<IceDragon>
well google threw me around 3 different ones
<shevy>
I am not sure if I wrote it myself or got it from another guy
<shevy>
that is supposedly allowing you to extract all archive formats. even the perl code above is more readable to me!
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<wmoxam>
loks pretty straightforward to me
<wmoxam>
it's just a case statement
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<IceDragon>
for the most part yes, but those ) always bothered me
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<IceDragon>
I'm used to seeing my brackets open & close
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<IceDragon>
o_e
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<unrar>
hihi
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<IceDragon>
a wild unrar appears!
<IceDragon>
unrar --help
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<shevy>
yeah we have a different standard of aesthetics here
<unrar>
lol
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<unrar>
long time no see #ruby <3
<IceDragon>
P:
<shevy>
like the amount of line noise compared to syntactical elements of expression
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<IceDragon>
more noise, less action
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<unrar>
Anyone here uses Ruby for major projects?
<pipework>
Some people like the safety blanket of having those extra stuff.
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<pipework>
unrar: No one, never.
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<unrar>
lol
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<unrar>
I mean something other than purely scripting purposes (quick tasks etc.) more like large desktop applications
<unrar>
I'm thinking something science-y
<waxjar>
im using ruby for world domination
<unrar>
lmao
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<diegoviola>
what are your thoughts on Rubinius X? it does seem like the Rubinius project is trying to extend or change the Ruby language in some ways, if they succeed with that, lots of projects are going to migrate their apps and code to use the new APIs and then MRI won't work anymore, unless MRI catches on with RBX
<pipework>
I once wrote a script to rename files, but then I kept adding features and now it's a webscale ETL data architecture running through TB of data a day.
<pipework>
diegoviola: Or no one will continue to care except a few fringe rbx users.
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<diegoviola>
pipework: well, it does seem like they are also trying to solve some other problems like performance and concurrency
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<diegoviola>
I mean, isn't that good?
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<diegoviola>
people have been complaining about these two things for quite a long time in Ruby
<tejas-manohar>
yo anyone here good w/ Net/http
<pipework>
diegoviola: Yeah, but JRuby does that too.
<tejas-manohar>
i want to know difference between .post and .post_form?
<diegoviola>
pipework: but JRuby means... JVM, not all people like the JVM
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<tejas-manohar>
i'm migrating some code using .post_form to using faraday instead of net/http
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<havenwood>
diegoviola: Dislike of a VM?
* diegoviola
shrugs
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<havenwood>
diegoviola: JRuby 9000 also runs on GraalVM.
<havenwood>
apeiros_: Way late to the party and doesn't address the tuples but seems this is a good bit faster than zipping for a tight loop: input.each_with_object(default_lambda) { |i, c| c.call(i) }
<apeiros_>
havenwood: the default lambda is different for each value
<havenwood>
aha, i should have realized - makes sense
<apeiros_>
in fact, it is different for each value set (usually 1 value, but sometimes more, hence the range/slice thingy)
<apeiros_>
it's the part of the code which maps db-rows to models
<havenwood>
mm
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<apeiros_>
fwiw, for some reason `@casters.zip(@result_ranges).map { |caster, range| caster.call(row[range]) }` is even faster than `@casters.zip(row).map { |caster, value| caster.call(value) }` - I have no idea how that is possible :D
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<apeiros_>
@result_ranges is [0,1,2,3,4..5,6,7..8] for the given example
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<tejas-manohar>
waxjar: i read documentation for .post_form but it doesnt describe much tbh
<apeiros_>
havenwood: but hey, thanks for giving it a try!
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<apeiros_>
you may have been late, but you've been the only one :-(
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<tejas-manohar>
waxjar: i still dont know difference between .post and .post_form its not really clear do i always just use .post_form if i wanna POST
<waxjar>
tejas-manohar: they're equivalent, only post_form emulates filling in a HTML form
<tejas-manohar>
waxjar; and how does that differ from a normal POST?
<waxjar>
you don't always have to emulate filling in a HTML form, you can also post JSON or XML or some other format
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<waxjar>
depends on the the service you're making the POST request to
<shevy>
unrar problem is the way I see it, building GUI apps is too much work right now. we need ideas how to make it less work, and simpler too
<tejas-manohar>
waxjar: eval.in the form there
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<headius>
diegoviola: I have not seen anything about Rubinius X that worries me, since it was announced a year ago and nothing has been published or released
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<headius>
it is a grab-bag of possible features someone might eventually consider doing, and yes, it would be completely incompatible with Ruby
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<diegoviola>
brixen said he is working on it
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<headius>
proof is in the pudding...no release, no public commits = does not exist
<headius>
this is my opinion of course
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<headius>
are there features you're interested in having in Ruby?
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<diegoviola>
not really
<headius>
most of the items in the original post already exist as libraries, like actors
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<diegoviola>
not sure I agree with that "purge the perl" thing
<diegoviola>
how is it going to affect the one-liners?
<headius>
I don't agree with most of the post
<diegoviola>
for instance
<headius>
but it's not my project and it has different goals
<diegoviola>
"In general, anything inspired by Perl should be removed, but especially "magic globals" like $_ or $1. They are easily replaced by simply sending messages to objects and providing objects as parameters."
<diegoviola>
is it going to be like python then?
<headius>
I'm not the one to ask
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<havenwood>
diegoviola: Crystal is another nifty Ruby-inspired language to look at: http://crystal-lang.org/
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<headius>
Crystal looks pretty neat...similar goals to my language Mirah: http://mirah.org
<tejas-manohar>
like w/ net/http i can do result['location']
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<apeiros_>
diegoviola: while I don't agree with all points in the article, I too consider many perlisms in ruby a bad idea which should be replaced by (IMO) better alternatives
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<bradland>
“how is it going to affect the one-liners?” it will make them more readable for your future self ;)
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<tejas-manohar>
anyone here used the gem 'http'? im trying to get the resulting location after POST'ing a form
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<apeiros_>
if you want one-liners, write a golf gem, use ruby -rgolf and enjoy all the brevity you want
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<diegoviola>
he mentions commercial interest and usage with Ruby has decreased, I agree
<diegoviola>
but why would a language die just because of this?
<diegoviola>
sure some folks want to get paid to write Ruby
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<diegoviola>
but I don't think rails is going anywhere
<tejas-manohar>
yeah i like ruby w/o pay :P
<tejas-manohar>
tho im new
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<j2p2>
if i wasn't getting paid for it i most likely wouldn't be using ruby
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<headius>
diegoviola: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence
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<ericwood>
I pretty much disregard any opinion of "_____ is dead"
<ericwood>
job searching recently and I can assure you Rails is not dead or dying :)
<diegoviola>
"Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying."
<headius>
that's for sure
<headius>
people keep saying Java's dying too, but damn near every company in the world of any significant size uses it
<tejas-manohar>
hey guys my data variable is equal to {"lang"=>"assembly/nasm-2.07", "lang_friendly"=>"x86 Assembly — NASM 2.07", "code"=>"extern printf\nextern exit\nglobal main\n\ngreet:\n pop eax\n push fmt\n push eax\n jmp printf\n\nfmt db \"Hello %s!\", 10, 0\n\nmain:\n push name\n push exit\n jmp greet\n\nname db \"Charlie\", 0", "output"=>"Hello Charlie!\n", "status"=>"Exited with error status 86"}
<tejas-manohar>
i've already run JSON.parse in the data = statement
<shevy>
it's hard for programming languages to die
<ericwood>
headius: even us ruby folk are using it in some capacity...you especially :)
<headius>
more likely is that Ruby doesn't make headlines anymore because it is well-established, and people are more interested in talking about new things
<tejas-manohar>
shouldn't i just be able to do data[:output] to get output?
<shevy>
tejas-manohar do you have a key called :output
<headius>
diegoviola: this is FUD, plain and simple... no evidence provided, just lack of contrary evidence and then a bunch of anecdotal cases
<ericwood>
people seem to think that once something stops showing up on the front page of hacker news that it's dead
<tejas-manohar>
shevy: should? looks like it
<shevy>
tejas-manohar ok I don't see that key
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<shevy>
but I am going to believe you for if your statement was correct then the code must work
<tejas-manohar>
shevy: i mean its "output" oh hmmm i guess it doesnt work the way i think it works
<shevy>
tejas-manohar some rails component has HashWithIndifferentSyntax or something like that where symbol and string keys will be treated equally or something like that
<headius>
diegoviola: again, these are my opinions...you're free to follow any Ruby fork you like, but don't buy into evidence-free a ssertions
<tejas-manohar>
like data.output
<tejas-manohar>
yay i can
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<tejas-manohar>
nvm i cant
<tejas-manohar>
wat
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<diegoviola>
headius: I'm pretty happy with Ruby myself
<headius>
me too, and what I'm not happy with I work on fixing with ruby-core and matz
<diegoviola>
headius: I wasn't actually seeing Rubinius as a Ruby fork, but more of a Ruby reimplementation
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<tejas-manohar>
is the user agent set in the http headers?
<diegoviola>
headius: until they decided they want to change the language
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<headius>
diegoviola: indeed...if they continue to support full Ruby language, then they're just a runtime that supports Ruby
<headius>
but any language changes they make unilaterally mean that language is no longer Ruby
<shevy>
tejas-manohar you can if you have an object that responds to this
<diegoviola>
headius: brixen said he has no plans on dropping support for 2.x, but add additional things to the language and also provide a better garbage collector and runtime
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<shevy>
tejas-manohar a Hash by default does not use . there to access all components based on key->method values, but you can use struct or openstruct to use . calls
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<diegoviola>
headius: those are all very ambitious goals IMHO
<ericwood>
if you wanted you could set up method_missing to look up the value :)
<diegoviola>
but as you said, let's wait and see
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<headius>
diegoviola: I agree...and JRuby already has most of the VM-level features that have been mentioned
<headius>
it's easy to talk
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<diegoviola>
right
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<ericwood>
>> class Hash; def method_missing(m, *args, &block); self[m]; end; end
<diegoviola>
headius: quite often these projects that tries to replace other projects die out or don't get much traction, sadly. Some forks do succeed and replace the other project though.
<diegoviola>
depends how lucky they get... I guess
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<headius>
it would take a great deal of work and a very large migration of users to overtake MRI
<headius>
or rather, to get Rubyists to use "language X" instead of Ruby
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<headius>
a lot of the assertions in those posts are also predicated on the idea that we can't do the same things for Ruby because MRI has no process...which isn't true
<diegoviola>
yes, like the Devuan fork trying to replace Debian... good luck with that
<headius>
if there's things you want at a language level, it's absolutely possible to add to Ruby
<headius>
and if there's things you want at a VM level, JRuby provides them today and MRI provides more of them with each release
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<diegoviola>
headius: rubinius has this idea that you should be able to write as much as possible in Ruby though, I mean, the stdlib itself and the core VM/runtime
<diegoviola>
and not in Java or C
<tejas-manohar>
i cant have a -/hyphen in symbol in ruby?
<brixen>
but besides that, it gives the ability to inline Ruby core library code into application code and vice versa
<brixen>
a facility that is lauded in Java-land
<clop2>
when i run programs from within ruby using, e.g., `ls`, i get a message about a insecure world writable directory in my path, but the directory mentioned is NOT in my path... any ideas for debugging this?
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<ericwood>
clop2: does it tell you which dir?
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<clop2>
ericwood, yes, but looking at $PATH in bash, and at puts ENV["PATH"] in ruby, that directory doesn't occur
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<headius>
JRuby can inline any JVM language into any JVM language. There's no reason you have to implement in Ruby to get inlining...you just need to use a managed language that runs through the same JIT
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<ericwood>
clop2: bizarre...
<ericwood>
maybe make that dir not world-writable, tho
<ericwood>
it's a bad idea anyways
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<chrisseaton>
JRuby can even inline C into Ruby and C into Ruby when using Truffle
<headius>
indeed
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<headius>
as I said before it was distorted into something I didn't say, "there's no technical value implementing Ruby in Ruby other than the reasons you'd use Ruby over anything else"
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<headius>
when all languages you use on a given VM have a level playing field for JIT and GC, then the only benefits of X over Y come down to language-versus-language
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<headius>
that's how it is in JRuby and JRuby+Truffle
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<shevy>
ericwood problem is that he has no direct control over that error-reporting in ruby
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<godd2>
my question wasn't one of a beginner trying to understand blocks, it was more of wondering how far off the analogy is if I were to explain it to a beginner
<godd2>
but thank you for those resources brixen
<brixen>
it's a really hard part of Ruby to explain :(
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<yxhuvud>
your nesting is wrong
<axilla>
:)
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<yxhuvud>
more serious, I don't think compare_child_names_to_new_folder_name does what you think it does. And the second one return the return value of #each, which is probably the object you are talking about
<axilla>
yep
<axilla>
it does exactly what i want it to when i don't have it in a seperate method
<axilla>
i'm trying to dry up my code a bit
<yxhuvud>
Do you really want it to abort after the first child has been checked? I doubt that.
<wallerdev>
yxhuvud: that sounds so bad out of context
<axilla>
i do want it to abort and throw an error.
<axilla>
which it does.
<yxhuvud>
wallerdev :D
<axilla>
we can't have duplicate folder names inside of the same folder.
<yxhuvud>
axilla: regardless of the result of the comparison?
<axilla>
no, only if it returns false
<yxhuvud>
well, it returns for true data as well
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<axilla>
right, if its true it imports the folder from Box to our app
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<yxhuvud>
no, that method returns true, immediately without checking more children. whatever other parts of the program does is not up for question.
<axilla>
i have a custom validation in my controller which calls a private method which calls the method in my model to check for uniqueness. if it returns false i do some railsy stuff and close a modal.
<axilla>
hmmmm
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<rbennace_>
hello
<rbennace_>
how can i debug in what controller i am in minitest?
<rbennace_>
assuming that i have something like binding.pry or debug in my test
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<crome>
check the request params
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<crome>
assuming you are debugging rails
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<rbennace_>
oh ok thank tou
<rbennace_>
you
<crome>
also, there is an object called context if I remember correclty
<crome>
or just check self
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<rbennace_>
self is very helpful
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<loc22>
Hi! Im looking to depoly a simple Sinatra app into DigitalOcean... does anyone knows if Sinatra works with dokku?
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<rbennace_>
this is a very interesting article abotu what you want to do
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<shevy>
hmm if I have
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<shevy>
module Foo; BAR = '123'; end
<shevy>
is there a way to find out "BAR, in which namespace do you exist by default?"
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<shevy>
And it should either return 'Foo' or perhaps 'Foo::Bar'
<shevy>
reason I ask is - I have some constants here but I don't know from which project they come
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<rbennace_>
Foo::Bar would work
<rbennace_>
do you have a specific example
<rbennace_>
you can try it out
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<rbennace_>
eval
<shevy>
it works because I gave the example of the module but in my case I don't know the name
<shevy>
consider 10000 modules with 1000000 constants
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<rbennace_>
:)
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<rbennace_>
where are this module saved?
<rbennace_>
so you know the name of the constant and you want to retreive the module name?
<rbennace_>
not sure i understand your question
<shevy>
I know the name of the constants yes
<shevy>
in this case it is WHITE
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<rbennace_>
ok
<rbennace_>
but you don't know what module is defining it, is that right?
<shevy>
yeah
<rbennace_>
mmmmm
<rbennace_>
this is a weird problem
<rbennace_>
hehe
<shevy>
I guess it must be logical
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<shevy>
because the name of the project must only be the allowed prefix
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<shevy>
like Foo::WHITE
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<shevy>
so it should be part of at least one among the ancestors hmm
<yxhuvud>
I don't know any tidy way, but you could do class << self; ancestors.select {|anc| anc::const_get(:Const) rescue nil } to see in what ancestors it is defined.
<atmosx>
bonhoeffer: there are some standards (not just for ruby, but used also in ruby) like: __FILE__ but that's probably just a variable set-up in a way to look familiar to people with other prog langs bg.