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<thegrid> hello im looking at thread#join is it causing the main thread to pause no? there are other calls to thread#join. what is wrong with the docs
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<waxjar> thread.join wait for thread to finish in the current thread (the thread you're calling thread.join from)
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<thegrid> thanks wwaxjar, that took some inferring. it is not explained well on rubydoc
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<thegrid> by the way, ruby is cool! it is so close to pseudo code. thanks ruby
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<tejas-manohar> where do i set rails.env...
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<jhass> tejas-manohar: wrong channel (again)
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<zenspider> thegrid: how is the official doco unclear?
<zenspider> "The calling thread will suspend execution and run thr. Does not return
<zenspider> until thr exits or until limit seconds have passed."
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<waxjar> ha, didn't know Thread#join took a timeout
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<JDHankle> \o/
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<juju> is there a scapy for ruby
<juju> or something similar pliease
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<zenspider> juju: that depends on what scapy is
<zenspider> maybe you should ask a better question
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<havenwood> juju: maybe PacketFu?: https://github.com/packetfu/packetfu#readme
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<juju> zenspider, thanks for n-nothing
<juju> havenwood, maybe, is it robust and regularly maintained
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<thegrid> hello, is there a way to print to the terminal in multithreading?
<havenwood> thegrid: are you having trouble or just wondering?
<thegrid> i dont see print statements after a thread#join
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<havenwood> juju: i'm not sure if there's a better maintained, more robust option - there may be. there certainly are other options.
<juju> havenwood, have u used it
<havenwood> juju: I've played with it, that's all.
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<juju> thanks
<barderer> l
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<havenwood> juju: Anything in particular you're looking for, or just general features?
<havenwood> i've used ffi-nmap but not ffi-pcap
<havenwood> thegrid: Can you paste your got to https://gist.github.com? Maybe someone can spot the issue. I'm not sure what you're doing.
<havenwood> (also a sophsec gem)
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<juju> havenwood, i am just l-learning ruby and want to see how far i c-can take things
<juju> well that is a lie
<juju> i don't know ruby
<juju> but i was interested since i dont know how to program
<havenwood> juju: Ruby is great, enjoy! :)
<juju> so i am looking at what is this and what is that
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<juju> and so far i was interested in scapy in other languages
<juju> i could not find anything in common lisp
<godd2> Is there a way to check if you're in a Travis environment?
<juju> i thought it might have made an interested project but i am not good enough
<juju> and i love ruby syntax it is beautiful but i dont know if it's good for me because i don't know better
<juju> so
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<juju> i am just going to do my best but i don't even have a book adequate enough to learn the deep intricacies of the language or of computer science
<juju> i probably couldn't figure out how to find all the permutations of "hello" in ruby or any language
<juju> so
<juju> i am on amazon.com right now looking at rubby loks :D
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<havenwood> >> 'hello'.chars.permutation.to_a
<eval-in__> havenwood => [["h", "e", "l", "l", "o"], ["h", "e", "l", "o", "l"], ["h", "e", "l", "l", "o"], ["h", "e", "l", "o", "l"], ["h", "e", "o", "l", "l"], ["h", "e", "o", "l", "l"], ["h", "l", "e", "l", "o"], ["h", "l", ... (https://eval.in/236747)
<havenwood> juju: Chris Pine's Learn to Program is a gentle introduction
<havenwood> juju: there are some good resources listed here: https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/documentation/
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<juju> havenwood, t-thanks
<juju> havenwood, but that is just a function made for that
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<juju> i can't implemenet it on my own
<juju> you know what im ean?
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<juju> a permutation function
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<mungojel1y> juju: have you ever written any recursive function?
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<mungojel1y> juju: i've never written a permutation function either, but i can think of how to do it recursively pretty easily, you just do one tiny step and pass the buck on the rest
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<juju> mungojel1y, no
<juju> i literally fart my brain whenever i try to think of solutions to advanced stuff like that
<juju> well
<juju> easy stuff, but algorithms
<juju> i mean it must be compatatively easy to solar sysetm mapping or whatever
<mungojel1y> being barely comprehensible is sorta the point of algorithms. to rein something incomprehensible just barely into the realm of the knowable
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<mungojel1y> juju: you don't have to think of solutions to solved problems? search for "permutation algorithms" and feast your mind
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<juju> mungojel1y, but
<juju> how do i become better by juping stuff on google
<juju> i dont become elite
<juju> by coping someone else's algo
<mungojel1y> read Knuth and do the exercises, then
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<mungojel1y> understanding difficult algorithms isn't really the main thing about programming, though. it's difficult in many other ways.
<juju> think i will just start from a nice big book onr uby
<juju> like the well grounded ruby
<juju> then work my way up in nice small steps
<mungojel1y> like it's difficult to learn how to properly document things. nothing to do with the complexity of the algorithms. the difficulty there is communicating across time and cultural boundaries and etc.
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<mungojel1y> if you learn and think about how to document your programs well that will be way more useful to everyone else than if you worry about being clever about algorithms.
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<mungojel1y> do you have a text editor you know and love? get to know an editor well. get to know a version control system.
<havenwood> juju: be sure to get Well-Grounded Rubyist, Second Edition
<havenwood> juju: so you're learning against a modern Ruby
<juju> t-thanks
<havenwood> juju: you're the first typing-stutterer i've met
<juju> mungojel1y, i have emacs
<juju> havenwood, i know its weird but its who i am :/
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<mungojel1y> ruby is a fine language, but learning a language is nearly the least important thing to learn about programming.
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<Scripore> what do you guys think about coding bootcamps? I'm thinking about attending one...
<Scripore> worth the cost? or just a waste of time and money?
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<havenwood> Scripore: the couple folk i know who've attended one have all said it was worth it. your mileage may vary, hard to say!
<juju> mungojel1y, what is the most improtant thing
<chu_> Scripore: I've heard good things about one a mate did in SanFran, but I forget its name.
<juju> Scripore, i dont know, $3000 for 6 weeks of ruby :/
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<Scripore> well, the one I'm thinking of is actually $12k for three months full time.
<Scripore> I'm in NYC so there's quite a few options around here.
<mungojel1y> juju: if i had to choose one tool it would be jhana. but as that's not widely available i'll say version control. programming without version control is hell.
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<juju> Scripore, i just feel it's a waste, how much could you POSSIBLY learn in three months for it to be worth $12k?
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<juju> all the resources you would be given are made public if you know which books to get even though i dont
<juju> a waste of money imo
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<Scripore> shrug, I just feel as if I'm not making as much progress as I should be making.
<juju> mungojel1y, i have git and emacs and magit
<havenwood> juju: isn't it premature to say until you've learned the things they teach? :P
<juju> Scripore, that is what their business model relies upon
<juju> Scripore, the only thing that you will ever learn is deliberate practice of what you already know
<juju> Scripore, so practice deliberately
<juju> havenwood, thats true but three months?
<juju> if i knew _what_ to learn i would do it myself
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<Scripore> they have pretty stellar reviews off of quora though. plus their 97% job placement is rather appealing.
<Scripore> if it's to be believed.
<juju> w/e
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<mungojel1y> juju: what's your github?
<Scripore> you could be right though. =)
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<juju> mungojel1y, dont have one i just have git installed
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<juju> dont have any code to put on github lol
<juju> ok so well grounded rubyist
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<juju> anything else or is that the best
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<mungojel1y> juju: get one, write code, collaborate on code, the sooner you do that the sooner you'll be able to make things
<Scripore> I started off with Zed's Learn Ruby the Hard Way
<antfy> You guys, I had a quick question. For a project I want to fetch updated information from a number of websites every 12 hours indefinitely.
<mungojel1y> the number one cause of not getting programs made is not making programs
<juju> mungojel1y, cant collaborate if i cant code :)
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<juju> Scripore, do you have a github so i can see your projects
<antfy> My current plan to do this is run a ruby rails rake test every minute which adds a site when it hasn't been updated in 12 hours to a queue
<Scripore> github.com/scripore
<Scripore> not much there, just mostly random snippets...
<antfy> and queue works run on that information performing the actual updates
<juju> i guess i should get started on tehse two books then
<juju> just hope i can become good in a month or two
<juju> :p
<antfy> Does this sound like a good system? Or is there a better way of doing it?
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<mungojel1y> juju: you can write something, you can write a hello world, write it and put it up, that'll get you way further than writing a hello world and leaving it on your own hard drive
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<juju> mungojel1y, lol
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<niggler> hello #ruby! is rubyforge.org down ?
<niggler> heh of course it is -- i shouldve checked wikipedia
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<niggler> for some unknown reason, some modules still point to rubyforge as their URL
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<juju> Wooow, this pickaxe book has great reviews
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<juju> wonder if it would be good for me
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<juju> doesn't look like it teaches "computer progarmming" but instead ruby
<juju> if that meakes sense
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<niggler> i dont know of any ruby book designed for teaching computer programming
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<niggler> C/C++/java/python are the languages of choice for that purpose juju
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<benzrf> ew
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<juju> hmmmm
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<benzrf> niggler: wow what a BRAVE nick
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<juju> was reading python code didn't like all the _____stuff_____ it did
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<Gambaro> are there any programming lessons besides codecademy that are good?
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<niggler> juju: im a big fan of starting with C
<Scripore> Ruby koans, there's also Dave Jone's Ruby tutorials on youtube.
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<niggler> if for no other reason than because K&R is a wonderful book
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<benzrf> niggler: do you have to use a nick like that
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<niggler> benzrf: do you have to use a nick like that?
<benzrf> how very comparable
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<niggler> one nick is a word, the other afaict isn't
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<benzrf> one nick is deliberately extremely similar to a racial slur, the other afaict isn't
<juju> w-why start with c when it is harder for me?
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<juju> i wonder if nigeria was formed out of the combination of "nigger area"
<juju> sorry :/
<niggler> juju: there are excellent general programming books written for the C programming language, as it's the language used in many academic courses of study
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<benzrf> lmao niggler
<benzrf> are you seriously going to try to claim you chose it for any reason other than to be edgy and/or racist
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<sevenseacat> who cares
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<niggler> benzrf clearly does :/
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<_1_twinboy> Huh
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<niggler> what exactly was rubyforge?
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<benzrf> sevenseacat: you dont care about people being racist?
<niggler> you are being racist benzrf, move on
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> you feed him entertainment value benzrf
<benzrf> ugh
<niggler> benzrf: i have an actual question, and your knowledge would be helpful right about now
<benzrf> sorry i dont particularly feel like helping people who are amused by slurs
<shevy> what is the question
<juju> benzrf, are u of african descent
<benzrf> juju: no
<niggler> its not a slur, as evidenced by the dictionary; you are one of a handful of people who automatically assume that's the case
<juju> shevy, are you racist and as such find no qualms with helping niggler?
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<niggler> shevy: i was noticing some projects referencing rubyforge
<shevy> juju I help people
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<niggler> so i came here asking if it was temporarily down, but wikipedia suggests that it is permanently down
<shevy> rubyforge is gone to the ashes of the void
<benzrf> niggler: do you legitimately believe that that's a valid defense
<juju> why would one use pry instead of irb please
<niggler> so what exactly was it shevy
<benzrf> juju: because it's gr8
<shevy> niggler well, the projects there simply are gone. but if they were active, most have moved to rubygems.org and github
<niggler> benzrf: honestly, most people don't make that leap
<juju> ok
<benzrf> niggler: haha, sure
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<shevy> juju irb does not have as many custom addons/modifications; it also is not the same REPL philosophy
<niggler> shevy: did they compete with rubygems?
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<shevy> niggler not really, not in the beginning. rubyforge, hence the name, "competed" with sourceforge, just for ruby code
<niggler> oh so they were hosting like github
<deryl> shevy talking pry again? :)
<shevy> the thing however was that rubygems, and the gems that are provided there, would duplicate the work of rubyforge. and since more and more people adopted gems, more and more people garnered to rubygems.org (and actually also github, github is like a walking behemoth)
<juju> can i seee ur pryrc shevy
<shevy> juju I don't have one as I don't use it
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<niggler> can you gem install from a git endpoint?
<soroto> my computer died
<juju> shevy, o
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<shevy> niggler in principle yes
<shevy> more generally, you can use non-rubygems.org sources
<shevy> gem sources --add SOURCE_URI
<shevy> gem sources --add https://www.github.org/
<shevy> not sure if that would work, I only use rubygems.org; though I have two gems myself that are blocked on rubygems.org because someone else used that name already :(
<shevy> 'configuration' and 'usher'
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<soroto> what are good resources besides koans and codecademy?
<juju> why was this yanked https://rubygems.org/gems/skyruby
<juju> and is there something else simialr to it
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<soroto> are there any other resources besides koans and codecademy?
<juju> soroto, possibly!
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<shevy> juju being yanked is good, it means you can occupy that space
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<shevy> soroto come on man, start writing ruby code
<juju> hmm
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<deryl> the *only* way to *really* learn rubyn is to just write stuff. break it. many times. figure out how you broke it and why it did
<soroto> it starts with a d and then my computer died
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<soroto> i have to write ruby code but i forgot a lot of things, codecademy sucks and i would like some other resource
<deryl> when you fix it and understand why it broke in the first place, write something else. if it breaks to, repeat the process
<soroto> anyone?
<deryl> dude, the free ruby book is here. http://phrogz.net/programmingruby/ and the official copy is here. http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
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<deryl> soroto I *have* been talking to you
<deryl> write stuff. if it breaks figure out why. read the docs (ri Array for example) and figure out why i broke. Use a testing framework to help you visualize and conceptualize. Something like RSpec or (at a lower level) MiniTest.
<shevy> soroto do you know what a block in ruby is?
<deryl> stuff like that
<deryl> shevy are you able to read my text? Am I not transmitting or something?
<shevy> who is talking here
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<deryl> new IRC client so wondering if I screwed up a config or something
<shevy> ;-)
<deryl> hehe
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<niggler> some people jsut want some hand holding deryl
<shevy> I think soroto is just slower than we are
<soroto> is this a block? {}
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<shevy> soroto is this an answer? ;-)
<shevy> >> {}.class
<eval-in__> shevy => Hash (https://eval.in/236748)
<soroto> i don't know
<deryl> shevy ahh yeah i foget that not everyone has fast inet
<shevy> ok
<soroto> do end.class
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<deryl> soroto read the 2 URLs I gave you.
<shevy> soroto work through https://pine.fm/LearnToProgram/chap_01.html - all following chapters; afterwards you know what a block is and how to use it in methods you define
<deryl> they are urls for THE programming book for learning Ruby.
<deryl> or even the one shevy posted
<shevy> but seriously the only way to learn ruby is to write ruby code soroto. you need to slowly get your brain towards being faced with a problem, and then work towards solving that problem
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<soroto> someone suggested that i go to some d thing
<mroach> I agree with @shevy
<soroto> it starts with d i wish i didn't lose the thign
<shevy> d thing?
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<deryl> soroto and like i said, write code. don't be afraid to break stuff. humans learn by breaking
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<mroach> Come up with a project to work on and just dive in and do it.
<soroto> thanks guys
<shevy> yeah
<soroto> i want to check out all the available options
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<maxd> hi
<deryl> soroto that leads to analysis paralysis
<shevy> soroto if you can't decide on what to do, I wrote a todo list over the years, and I never run out of things todo these days
<deryl> meaning you spend more time looking for resources than actually *using* them, and *doing* what it is you're actually trying to learn.
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<maxd> I use JSON.parse to parse a json file. Can I elegantly provide fallback defaults (using a fixed value when no value exists for the key).
<deryl> your brain then never actually 'gets' what you're doing
<shevy> just two hours ago I started to write class VideoInformation, which right now just calls ffmpeg but presents me the information in a more usably form (video and audio streams found in e. g. a .flv or .mp4 file)
<mroach> @maxd Sounds like you want to define a hash of defaults and then do a merge
<shevy> maxd dunno if you can do that in JSON, but JSON.parse gives back a hash or? and you can modify a hash at runtime in ruby ... hash.default = 'donald duck'
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<mroach> I wanted to learn Rails (and by extension, Ruby) so I just dived head first into making a web application. Few months later it’s up and running. That’s the way to go, mate
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<shevy> sorry
<shevy> ah...
<shevy> >> hash = Hash.new; hash.default = 'donald duck'; hash['who is the baddest duck in town']
<eval-in__> shevy => "donald duck" (https://eval.in/236754)
<shevy> mroach cool
<deryl> here. Here's something 'simple'. Write a ruby program that pulls information on the version of ruby you have installed and outputs it. Everything from type (Jruby, MRI, etc) to version string, to compile options. Find out what class in the Ruby core API contains that info, and write a script to duplicate 'ruby --version'
<shevy> I always used ruby because I needed a better language than php, and I was faced with python vs. ruby
<shevy> the old matz interview got me into ruby
<mroach> Which interview is that?
<shevy> http://www.artima.com/intv/ruby.html - it is old; I read it somewhere in 2004 or 2005 I think
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<shevy> "Instead of emphasizing the what, I want to emphasize the how part: how we feel while programming."
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<deryl> in order to do that script you'll need to know ruby syntax (the book I gave you gives you that) and you'll need to know how to read the Ruby API (std, core, etc) and, using the syntax of ruby, how to output that to the console.
<mroach> Somehow I never got around to programming in Python. Managed to get good at VB, PHP, C#, T-SQL, Perl, Bash, Ruby, while completely avoiding ever doing anything with Python, Java, C, or C++
<deryl> I'm doing Java and JavaScript right now for Android platform.
<deryl> something new
<mroach> I think C# spoiled me and when I try to use Java it feels like using C# from 10 years ago. I imagine Python would feel similar compared to Ruby
<niggler> anyone have experience with rubyracer or execjs?
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<shevy> mroach I dunno, I find that both ruby and python fill a similar niche, but python is really very ... strange
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<Cat_1> puts `ruby --version` ?
<shevy> [for x in y in cat and mice lambda:]
<shevy> INDENT HERE
<Cat_1> Is that cheating?
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<deryl> mroach i did that backwards, I did C# first and then went to java. i find myself writing something from 1 in the other. hehe. brain gets confused sometimes
<shevy> def foo(self, love_self, hate_self, *args, **kwargs, ***ackwtf):
<mroach> @shevy That’s good to hear. One day I’ll get into it I imagine. Probably for writing a Sublime Text plugin…
<shevy> Cat_1 it is not cheating, you invoke the system ruby; but if you just need the current version you can do this
<shevy> >> RUBY_VERSION
<eval-in__> shevy => "2.1.3" (https://eval.in/236755)
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<mroach> @deryl Yeah same. C# first, took a look at Java, WTF’d my way through it and gave up
<niggler> wait shevy wtf is *** in python
<deryl> hehe
<shevy> niggler I just made that up as I went ahead; I don't actually really *know* python
<shevy> it's hard to want to learn python after ruby, it feels as if I'd duplicate learning work
<deryl> i'm doing the java because I want to work on the Android platform. My wife bought me a Galazy S5 Active and I wanted to try my hand at writing stuff for it
<shevy> k
<shevy> now you are a hamster deryl
<deryl> hamster?
<shevy> and you must keep on running in the hamster treadmill
<shevy> yep
<deryl> lol
<mroach> At my old job I’d sometimes have days of doing T-SQL, C#, VB, PHP, JavaScript, Ruby, and Bash all in the same day. That got my brain tied in knots over little things like “do I use != or <> in this language? ‘done’ or ‘end’ or nothing?”
<shevy> a big JAVA logo is on it
<shevy> in flashy neon colours
<deryl> hahahaha you are a sick sick man shevy ;)
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<shevy> mroach I couldn't get my brain to do that
<mroach> Fortunately that wasn’t so common. But 4 - 5 languages in a day was
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<deryl> that would fry my receptors
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<shevy> so now I try plan B; be better in ruby than the alternatives ... and I still don't really know that much ruby, today havenwood taught me this:
<shevy> >> Regexp.union(['ghi','mno'])
<eval-in__> shevy => /ghi|mno/ (https://eval.in/236756)
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<mroach> VB and T-SQL were the lease desirable
<mroach> *least
<shevy> that is awesome, isn't it? I can build my regexes through method calls!
<deryl> nice!
<deryl> didn't know ruby *could* do it that way!
<mroach> that’s neat
<shevy> deryl do you also know Regexp.quote? I understood it only a few months ago
<Cat_1> Ruby can do anything you want it to do.
<Cat_1> :-D
<deryl> no, first i've seen it
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<mroach> Regex quoting is super handy
<shevy> it simply helps you to not have to memorize the special characters
<mroach> If you want to search for a variable in a string
<shevy> like which character is special in "abc^"
<shevy> ok it is easy, but still:
<shevy> >> Regexp.quote("abc^")
<eval-in__> shevy => "abc\\^" (https://eval.in/236757)
<deryl> Cat_1 of that I do not doubt. *my* exposure though doesn't include what shevy just showed.
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<deryl> shevy that is def cool
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<deryl> love hanging in here. i learn new tricks for my sleeves all the time
<mroach> >> search_string = “Who are you?”; Regexp.new(“\b#{Regexp.quote(search_string)}\b”)
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<mroach> Well that would have worked if my IRC client didn’t convert to effing angled quotes
<deryl> hehe
<shevy> you use weird characters mroach
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<shevy> €�
<deryl> on windows atm wo ruby installed or i'd have tried it out
<mroach> Just disabled that crap
<shevy> >> "€�".encoding
<shevy> aha
<shevy> the bot does not like it
<shevy> :)
<niggler> turn off smart quotes
<mroach> >> search_string = "Who are you?"; Regexp.new(/\b#{Regexp.quote(search_string)}\b/)
<eval-in__> mroach => /\bWho\ are\ you\?\b/ (https://eval.in/236762)
<deryl> not utf friendly or something?
<mroach> That's the desired result anyway
<shevy> now it works
<shevy> deryl the bot hates unicode
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<deryl> got it
<mroach> The problem is my IRC client translated regular double quotes into angled quotes which are not valid
<niggler> on osx at least smart quotes turns standard quotes into the directional form
<niggler> mroach: are you on a mac?
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<mroach> Yeah that's the problem. I'm on OS X. I just disabled that
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<mroach> I can't fathom why Colloquy would have "Smart Quotes" enabled by default for IRC
<niggler> its osx setting
<mroach> It's a per text input setting
<niggler> not colloquy (I'm also using colloquy)
<mroach> Oh yeah it's also system-wide
<niggler> system preferences ... keyboard ... text ... "Use smart quotes and dashes"
<mroach> Disabling that garbage now
<mroach> Yeah
<mroach> mvh
<mroach> mvh
<mroach> (sorry)
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<deryl> ok i'm screwing myself up. accessed too many android tutorials and not completing any of them. time to knuckle down and pick one even if its not the greatest. getting myself confused here. bbl
<niggler> deryl: good time to use rubymotion :D
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<XxionxX> I don't understand the inject method.
<XxionxX> puts (1..2).inject(:+) #=> 3
<XxionxX> I can make simple examples like the above code but I don't understand the symbol inject part ':+'
<XxionxX> Is there a good article which someone could recommend?
<deryl> niggler i'm going the java route for now since thats native to the platform. once i feel confident that way, i'll take a different turn and go rubymotion (its also payware and i'm broke damn it)
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<Cat_1> Isn't :+ the same as writing "+" but in a symbol-ized form
<deryl> i have ruboto core on my phone but typing out programs on a Galaxy S5's screen.. sucks ass :)
<niggler> id also suggest cordova but that's HTML/JS
<deryl> so i stole my son's laptop for awhile :)
<deryl> i was looking at javascript on the android as well
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<deryl> not sure which way to go currently actually. i mean learning JS would serve me on both the android and with rails apps. so..
<niggler> JS is probably the better choice :D
<XxionxX> Cat_1: Is it? I don't know.
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<waxjar> XxionxX: do you understand the block-form of inject?
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<deryl> but since i need to just pick a damned direction and just *do*.. i picked the java since its 'the language' on android
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<deryl> niggler see? now you got me 2nd guessing myself. that'd lock be back into paralysis
<niggler> ok deryl im going to decide for you: go the JS route
<deryl> s/be/me/
<deryl> lol
<niggler> if its true that JS will serve you on android and on rails apps, then its the obvious choice
<Cat_1> XxionxX: Symbols are just references to strings. Every time you use a constant "+" That takes up memory because it allocates new space for the string. But using :+ is kinda like using a pointer to the location of the string "+"
<XxionxX> waxjar: I'm not sure, I'm really new to programming. I was consulting the ruby docs and this:
<XxionxX> (5..10).inject { |sum, n| sum + n } #=> 45
<XxionxX> example makes sense to me, but I didn't understand the symbol example
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<deryl> well I was thinking that since i'm the only one writing any project i work on, if I wanted to really add interactivity to whatever app I wrote I'd need to know JS (coffeescript just writes out javascript so why not write in JS directly)
<deryl> i don't work for any company, just myself. so on most projects its just me, myself, and I hehehe
<Cat_1> You can combine them by a symbol that names a method or operator... + can be defined for most objects.
<waxjar> normally, you can pass proc as a block to a method like so: foo(&block). it calls #to_proc on block, and passes the proc as a block to the method.
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<waxjar> Symbol also has a #to_proc method, it returns a proc equivalent to proc { |x| x.send(self) }
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<waxjar> inject is just special in that it doesn't require you to pass the symbol as a block, but you can pass it directly
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<XxionxX> Cat_1: If symbols are string references, why does ':+' add my integers?
<waxjar> look up Symbol#to_proc in Ruby on google for a more detailed explanation
<Cat_1> because + is a symbol for an operator
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<Cat_1> The defiition of inject says
<Cat_1> "Combines all elements of enum by applying a binary operation, specified by a block or a symbol that names a method or operator."
<Cat_1> a symbol that names a method or operator
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<XxionxX> waxjar: ok thanks
<Cat_1> so you could have :add if you define it
<Cat_1> be the same thing as :+
<Cat_1> but + is already defined for integers
<XxionxX> ah!
<Cat_1> 1+1=2
<XxionxX> that makes sense
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<Cat_1> But let's say I had a class called Boats
<Cat_1> what is Boat.new + Boat.new ?
<Cat_1> You can define +, - , /, *, operators to do the correct things in those classes
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<Cat_1> so Boat.new + Boat.new can return an array of boats, for example
<XxionxX> I think I get it
<Cat_1> and so inject(:+) on an array of Boats would return an array of Boat objects.
<Cat_1> but if you didnt' define the operator
<Cat_1> I don't know what it would do
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<Cat_1> probably NoMethodError defined for '+' For Boat::BoatClass or something
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<waxjar> basically, it's just there for convenience. if you don't feel comfortable yet using it, just use the block form to achieve the same
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<XxionxX> so many things to understand @_@
<XxionxX> At least ruby is easy to read, this is the first language I have actively been able to learn.
<waxjar> after a while you'll get tired of writing blocks and use the Symbol#to_proc trick :P
<XxionxX> I'll def write blocks for a while!
<XxionxX> at least then I will have the syntax forged into my brain
<XxionxX> but i'm off to read that doc!
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<arup_r> How to get rid of this error ? https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/23fbd3713e8d1b55e360
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<sevenseacat> arup_r: don't use a malformed CSV string.
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<arup_r> sevenseacat: Why should I?
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<sevenseacat> because it raises an error.
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<arup_r> I am getting this data from external API.......
<sevenseacat> it's invalid.
<arup_r> sevenseacat: Get a cold coffee.. It seems you are working too hard.. Forgot the reality
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<sevenseacat> huh?
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<arup_r> sevenseacat: Yes... You are ........
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<pontiki> ... wow
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<rrtbram> didn't want to spam the chat
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<pontiki> rrtbram: are the files something that users of the gem will be able to change?
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<rrtbram> no
<rrtbram> there are read only
<rrtbram> they will probably be encripted
<pontiki> ok, they don't have to necessarily go in lib in the gem
<pontiki> you can put them in an aligned directory, and obtain the directory based on the location of the lib files themselves.
<rrtbram> so I can use relative path to them
<pontiki> take a look at File.expand_path, for example
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<pontiki> let's say you put in "_data", which is at the same level as "lib", for example
<pontiki> you have your main gem lib file at lib/my_gem.rb
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<rrtbram> yeah
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<pontiki> in there, you can get the _data directory by: File.expand_path("../../_data", __FILE__)
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<rrtbram> thanks
<rrtbram> btw if the files can be edited by
<rrtbram> the users of the gem
<rrtbram> where should I put it then?
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<pontiki> in that case, you should offer an environment variable that the gem users can set
<pontiki> or pass in when you initialize the gem
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<rrtbram> i see
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<pontiki> there's probably at least a half-dozen ways to go about it
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<rrtbram> well part of the learing process is to figure those out :)
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<rrtbram> I just wanted to know since with ruby in general there are a lot of conventions
<rrtbram> and while they can make life easier
<rrtbram> you need to read up allot
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<rrtbram> or maybe I am going the wrong way about it
<rrtbram> thanks :)
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<pontiki> sure, nw
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<apeiros_> hm, in some regards, my ruby 2.2-head is a lot slower than 2.1.5. I wonder whether they've debugging code in it causing that.
<apeiros_> e.g. plain startup time with bundle exec is ~1s vs. ~0.3s
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<scholar01> When writing a Rubygem, I write test cases against my library, but how am I supposed to create testcases for the tools in bin/? Should I simply write a second tool in bin/ that tests the first?
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<apeiros_> scholar01: if you do it properly, your bin only consists of something akin: YourGem::Cli.run(ARGV)
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<apeiros_> and then all you have to do is test YourGem::Cli
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<scholar01> apeiros: that's an interesting design pattern. There were a few features that I didn't want to put into the main library, but if I create a CLI class, that should maintain proper separation of functionality.
<scholar01> I'll try that and see if that works.
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<shevy> long live ruby!
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<maoko> pew pew everyone
<maoko> I think it's time for a very stupid question.. How can one change the pkey with mongoid?
<maoko> I've made it this way https://gist.github.com/maokomioko/27c325b52e9963ca6f8f but it still renders the original bson id
<maoko> So I can't proceed with associations ;/
<apeiros_> too bad yorick is not in this channel
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<shevy> why - wanna get kissy kissy with yorick again? :>
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<shevy> huh
<shevy> I have a weird problem... a moment
<shevy> btw picassoo is a spambot
<apeiros_> a moment is indeed a weird problem
* apeiros_ takes one of them
<Cat_1> I have experience dealing with moments, are you talking about moments of inertia?
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<Cat_1> PHysics major! Booyah!
<shevy> syntax error, unexpected tIDENTIFIER, expecting end-of-input some_random_name_here ''
<shevy> hmmmmm
<shevy> weird thing is, if I copy paste it directly into irb, it works just fine
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<apeiros_> Cat_1: aah haha :)
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<Cat_1> Shevy what happens if you put the parameters in parens?
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<shevy> same error
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<shevy> oh
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<shevy> foo.rb:5: warning: encountered \r in middle of line, treated as a mere space
<shevy> now I see it
<shevy> there was a stray character
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<shevy> I think I copy pasted that from somewhere directly, it works fine when the \r is gone obviously
<Cat_1> interesting
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<shevy> let me try to remember where from I copy pasted it
<soahccc> reminds me of youtube (yeah who would copy code there), they insert some strange characters for line breaking or something
<shevy> the two lines were these here:
<shevy> # @example
<shevy> # image.draw(100, 200)
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<shevy> yard examples. I either got it from godd2 or from some link to yard formatting. or, which of course is also a possibility, I somehow added a \r ... although I don't know why I would do so... how do you create the \r actually? I sure enough never directly typed \r
<shevy> I can understand \t and \n
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<shevy> soahccc I've seen that with some php forums
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<shevy> they aggressively exchange all newlines with <br>
<shevy> and show that even when you edit your own post, suddenly it is overflown with <br> tags :(
<soahccc> awesome :D
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<shevy> soahccc this is one forum where I noticed it http://www.bokuwiese.at/forum/6 - I think I wrote 2 or 3 threads or commented, and afterwards I was fed up with this stupidity so I no longer use it
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<shevy> I don't even know what software it is but I suspect php
<shevy> and definitely not phpbb
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<soahccc> drupal
<soahccc> at least buildwith says so
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<soahccc> shevy: but that is at least obvious... Youtube inserts some sort of "shy" character
<shevy> aha
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<shevy> shy characters?
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<soahccc> it's invisible in my editor but look here: http://files.sven.bmonkeys.net/images/shy.png
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<shevy> ack
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<shevy> does sublime show \r characters btw? or is there some mode to toggle it?
<shevy> my current gtk editor does not show such characters, I noticed this after the warning from ruby, with vim :\
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<soahccc> shevy: I don't know. I personally fuckup myself with &nbsp; all the time which you can enter with alt+space on mac and they are hard to spot
<shevy> hehe
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<shevy> well ... until I find out how I managed to produce \r, I will assume that the \r came from some copy/paste way... so whatever godd2 showed me, I suspect it had the \r inside
<shevy> godd2 will become famous for viral \r
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<elastik> Hello guys!
<elastik> I am stuck again. Looking for a little help after a lot of reading and testing.
<elastik> I am trying to close a pop up window in Windows 7 after running rkill.
<elastik> The program runs but the pop up doesn't close.
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<elastik> What is the best way to close a window with ruby?
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<shevy> wheee ruby 2.2.0rc1 (2014-12-18 trunk 48887) [i686-linux]
<Cat_1> Did you try Curses::Window?
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<elastik> I've never heard of Curses::Window?
<elastik> i will look it up
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<shevy> ewww NameError: uninitialized constant Psych::ENGINE
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<shevy> uninitialized constant Syck::ENGINE
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<shevy> what the hell changed
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<apeiros_> oh, good thing we did the syck -> psych migration last month at work
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<shevy> hehe
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<shevy> I can't get 2.2.0rc1 to work
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<ponga> why shevy
<ponga> its working fine with me
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<shevy> dunno. I got Psych::ENGINE but I am not using psych for my yaml stuff; Syck also does not work
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<shevy> I am back at 2.1.5 again and all things work fine
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<elastik> Hey guys, I got it to work.
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<apeiros_> pontiki: 2.2 seems to no longer define the constants used to change the engine
<apeiros_> used to be YAML::ENGINE
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<apeiros_> but that raises the exception shevy pasted
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<maoko> Hi there.. Could please someone take a look at my mongoid id field problem?
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<maoko> I have a parsed data in the DB and in order to make relations between models, it's better to change the pkey for the model
<maoko> So I did things the default way with this https://gist.github.com/maokomioko/27c325b52e9963ca6f8f
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<maoko> But id field is still in bson
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<p8952> After upgrading from rspec 2.14 to 2.99 I can no longer use "ruby -S rspec"
<p8952> Does anyone know why this change was made/where it is documented?
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<tejas-manohar> yo
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<apeiros_> wha? define_method is private?
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<rpag> >> Object.new.singleton_class.respond_to?(:define_method, false)
<eval-in__> rpag => false (https://eval.in/236890)
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<rpag> i didnt think that would be false
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<shevy> apeiros_ are you critisizing the handling of private in ruby!!!
<shevy> ;P
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<shevy> where is hanmac
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<shevy> pontiki I am using syck whenever possible in 2.1.5; haven't yet checked why it does not work in 2.2.x, I'll wait for xmas + new year before I give it another try (so basically I will try it in 2 weeks ago, I got lots of other code-related work to do and improve anyway in the meanwhile)
<shevy> I'll also give it a try again with psych lateron then, feeding it valid yaml files
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<electrix> hi
<electrix> So I asked yesterday but went afk too soon.
<electrix> Well, a JSON is parsed using a native Ruby JSON instance.
<electrix> Now I got a hash structure, I want to provide defaults for it.
<electrix> So when the value for a key is missing in that structure a fallback value should be provided.
<electrix> I can put something together using some loops and such stuff...
<electrix> But what would be elegant and simple?
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<shevy> electrix was it not answered yesterday man
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<shevy> if you use a hash, you can provide a default
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<shevy> I have a deja vu
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<shevy> did he go afk again
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<electrix> shevy: yes
<electrix> shevy: but I mentioned this that I asked this already yesterfay
<electrix> *yesterday
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<kavita> electrix: I think I did something similar where I created a hash with the fallback values (in my case it was just an empty hash) and merged it with the other hash that may have a missing key or value
<shevy> electrix k. hash = Hash.new; hash.default = 'donald duck'
<electrix> kavita: so just the merge method on the hash object on a default-providing hash
<electrix> shevy: thank you
<shevy> >> hash = Hash.new; hash.default = 'donald duck'; hash['who is the best duck in town?']
<eval-in__> shevy => "donald duck" (https://eval.in/236891)
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<electrix> hehe
<electrix> best duck in town
<electrix> so hash.default will provide a default for all keys?
<shevy> I loved those cartoons when I was young, especially tom and jerry; not necessarily because of the drawings and animation, but mostly because of the music. makes a fuzzy warm feeling hearing it
<electrix> can I provide a default _per_ key?
<electrix> shevy: Don Rosa is great, sadly he quitted :(
<shevy> .default is generic for all missing keys
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<shevy> you can not register a default per key in any custom hash; either you have to subclass or modify, or use a method that will do the checking for you
<shevy> or use more than one hash like kavita wrote
<shevy> lots of ways in ruby!
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<giuseppesolinas> hello. I'm using ruby gems for configuration purposes, I'm running ruby on mac os x, installed with ruby-install. I'm having an issue with gem installation being extremely slow to endless. If I pass the verbose option I get a series of "302, moved temporarily". Does anyone know how to fix this issue?
<apeiros_> giuseppesolinas: did you try updating rubygems itself?
<apeiros_> (a bit a shot in the blue)
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<giuseppesolinas> apeiros_ : attempting
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<diegoviola> how do I check if several elements exist in a array at the same time?
<diegoviola> like
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<diegoviola> [1,2,3].includes?([1,2])
<diegoviola> that's giving me false
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<diegoviola> ok
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<giuseppesolinas> apeiros_ : that solved my issue, htank you
<apeiros_> lucky shot! :D
<diegoviola> ty
<apeiros_> diegoviola: a.<includes_all?>(b) --> (b - a).empty?
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<apeiros_> diegoviola: a.<includes_any?>(b) --> !(a & b).empty?
<diegoviola> ty
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<RDash> :]
<RDash> resume
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<majeure> Why are there multiple ruby channels?
<majeure> #ruby, #ruby-lang, etc.
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<havenwood> majeure: because they haven't been merged
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<shevy> majeure #ruby-lang are our sworn enemies
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<shevy> there can be only one in the battle for survival
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<kavita> shevy: ruthless!
<niggler> I thought this was a channel about the gemstone :/
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<niggler> shevy: there used to be separate #javascript and ##javascript channels, but thanks to some freenode magic they are one
<kavita> niggler: I just learned that Ruby is a programming language two yrs ago, and a few months ago, decided to learn it (learn programming, really). It's been a good journey so far :-)
<arup_r> kavita: how are you?
<arup_r> shevy: is too busy now-a-days
<kavita> gemstones are cool too
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<kavita> arup_r: I'm well, and you?
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<shevy> arup_r hehe yeah... right now I continue on the ffmpeg-conversion handler; I wanted a simpler way to convert from wav to mp3 to ogg and vice versa; also for video
<arup_r> apeiros_: why your name preceded by underscore ?
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<arup_r> kavita: Are you from India.. Me well too..
<niggler> is there a pure ruby zip read/write library?
<arup_r> niggler: DEFINE _pure_
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<shevy> niggler I think that is freenode terminology to use ## ... see here https://freenode.net/policy.shtml#topicalchannels quote: "Topical or reference channel names, formatted with two leading hash marks (##), are allocated on a first-come, first-served basis to unofficial groups wishing to discuss a project, group or general topic area. For example, the channel ##linux has been reserved for an unofficial group
<shevy> which uses it to provide GNU/Linux support to visiting users."
<niggler> one where the actual bit operations are performed in ruby
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<niggler> arup_r: as opposed to one that farms out to infozip or some other C library
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<apeiros_> arup_r: precede is on the other side. and the reason I have a trailing underscore is that "apeiros" is another of my computers logged in
<shevy> we must eliminate one of the apeiroses
<kavita> Been living in the US most of my life (born here, actually) but lived in India for a few yrs as a child. My parents grew up in India. I'd like to visit more often. Was hoping to make it in January, but won't work out
<kavita> arup_r ^
<arup_r> kavita: Great.. I guessed from your name that you should be an Indian :)
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<niggler> I've seen it spelled kavitha (with an h)
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<kavita> niggler: There are a lot of regional differences in India (as most countries, especially on the larger side). I believe people in the southern part of India tend to use an 'h' in the spelling.
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<godd2> shevy you didn't get infected by me
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<godd2> I'm on windows, but git will normalize line endings
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<tejas-manohar> havenwood: you there? what was that phone number script you whacked together yesterday
<majeure> Hello niggler.
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<niggler> Hello majeure.
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<tejas-manohar> what a username...
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<shevy> godd2 do you happen to remember which example showed that? image.draw(100, 200) ... I wonder if I copy pasted it from somewhere or modified it specifically this part here may serve as identifier "# @example "
<godd2> I have a niggling suspicion that it's borderline racist
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<godd2> shevy anything in my yard docs weree taken from oneee of my github repos which were pushed with git. Even if I copied it from somewhere else, git wouldn't have let a stray \r through
<shevy> hmm
<godd2> also callled a carriage return
<niggler> godd2 do you have autocrlf set?
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<godd2> niggler yes, it's set to true
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<godd2> because I'm a nice person :)
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<shevy> godd2 what editor do you use?
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<godd2> sublime text
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<shevy> I just opened the file lib/dare/image.rb in my editor (bluefish)
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<shevy> let me paste on pastie.org how it shows up:
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<shevy> what is ^M in vim?
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<shevy> godd2 this is how it looks on pastie.org http://pastie.org/pastes/9791837/text BUT
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<shevy> in my editor, after those ^M I have a newline
<niggler> shevy: that's the \r
<shevy> aha
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<shevy> \r is not the same as \n right?
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<niggler> just do :%s/\r/\r/g
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<shevy> nono I don't even use vim, it's just interesting that bluefish kinda replaces the \r with a newline, but they are not really a newline
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<shevy> but now I am happy, I know how I got those \r in the first place - I got them from copy/pasting your docu godd2 :)
<godd2> technically \r means go back to the beginning of the current line
<havenwood> tejas-manohar: i subbed out 1 if the string started with a 1 then scanned for digits
<tejas-manohar> havenwood: ah
<niggler> it's useful for displaying spinners and whatnot
<tejas-manohar> irc is awesome, learning so much
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<shevy> spinners?
<niggler> \ | / - the ascii spinner
<godd2> since carriage return "\r" was the name for when a typewriter had it's carriage (the thing that holds the paper) reset. and then a line feed "\n" rolled the paper one line's worth up
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<socash> buffer 2
<socash> buffer 1
<Fraeon> buffer 0
<Fraeon> buffer -1
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<shevy> buffer reset
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<AliOsm> hello
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<AliOsm> how are you ?
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<AliOsm> anyone can help me here ?
<AliOsm> I'm have problem with ruby on rails
<niggler> is there a separate rails channel?
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<havenwood> AliOsm: The best place for Rails questions is #rubyonrails.
<AliOsm> I don't know
<AliOsm> OK thank you very very much :)
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<havenwood> #rubyonrails requires nick registration: /msg NickServ help REGISTER
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<deryl> seriously cuts down on bots
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<AliOsm> Hi again, sorry
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<AliOsm> but I can't login to #rubyonrails channel
<AliOsm> anyone can help me ?
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<deryl> because it requires you register your nick as it says when you try to join
<AliOsm> so what I can do now
<AliOsm> ?
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<deryl> umm, register your nick
<deryl> ./msg NickServ help REGISTER
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<deryl> remove the .
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<AliOsm> do you mean run this command /msg NickServ help REGISTER and change NickServ with my nickname ?
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<AliOsm> ?.? pls help me
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<deryl> dude, read the returned information.
<shevy> AliOsm hey man
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<deryl> seriously, read the info. the command tells nickserv to give you the help text for that command to show you how to register your nickname on freenode. follow it's direction
<shevy> AliOsm go take your time. use the thing called browser. go there https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration and read it slowly and carefully, afterwards you know how you can register and identify. once you have done so, #rubyonrails is available to you
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<deryl> once registered you can access any channel
<shevy> deryl the new generation of people has no patience
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<deryl> i've noticed. sigh
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<AliOsm> thank you :)
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<AliOsm> really you are very helpful :3
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<deryl> its like we've populated the world with a generation of self-entitled instant gratification minded, self centered folks. My dad would have kicked my ass
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<AliOsm> deryl are you using rails ?
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<deryl> not at the moment. i've changed focus from rails to android programming and javascript
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<shevy> deryl I must tell you
<shevy> you sound like a railser obviously :D
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<shevy> everybody switches into javascript
<deryl> :shrug: you know well and good I know POR. ;)
<AliOsm> Emmm what you think about ruboto
<shevy> AliOsm you are on the sugar rush again!
<godd2> deryl it's okay. 95% of the world is still in poverty, so they can't be self-entitled!
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<shevy> hahaha
<deryl> godd2 lol
<shevy> well 95% I think is a bit too much
<niggler> 99%
<shevy> niggler 99 is higher than 95
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<godd2> shevy are you saying that number is too high to be correct or to high for our own goodness?
<shevy> I couldn't imagine 95% to be in poverty!
<godd2> well it depends on how you define poverty
<shevy> food
<shevy> either you have food or you don't
<godd2> for example, according to the US definition of the poverty line, I am most definitely living in poveerty
<AliOsm> I'm sorry , only I dreaming to be good programmer with ruby
<godd2> AliOsm Ruby is a good language to start programming!
<godd2> AliOsm just be patient and take your time. It won't happen overnight ;)
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<deryl> this is friggin weird. *every* attempted download of eclipse's luna sr1 for win32 comes down corrupted. wonder if the version on the servers is toast.
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<deryl> every other zip i grab unrelated is fine. starting to grate on my nerves
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<AliOsm> yap I know and I have good experience with programming , but I'm arabian and my english is not good so this is reason of my Unhappy
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<shevy> deryl abandon the wicked ways of windows and come to linux man
<shevy> AliOsm matz is japanese and his english is not perfect either so that is no excuse ;-)
<niggler> you can get virtualbox and run linux from windows
<AliOsm> lol thank you shevy I'm trying :3
<deryl> shevy I run linux normally. MY laptop's PSU took a shit. using my son's laptop
<shevy> go buy your own laptop!!!
<shevy> ;-)
<deryl> too much work while waiting for my hardware guy to try to replace the psu to install linux etc.
<deryl> hehe if he can't fix it, i will
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<deryl> shevy only reason I'm putzing around with javascript is because of my Galaxy S5 phone. decided I wanted to try my hand at writing android apps. I could do java, but with javascript I learn a skill that applies more widely
<shevy> I see, I see
<shevy> you dropped ruby for your new girlfriend
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<shevy> she is shinier, faster, richer
<godd2> well that's weird. apparently "crease" and "increase" don't share an etymology
<shevy> oh grease
<shevy> sexy
<shevy> I'm gonna ingrease me counters
<shevy> deryl I guess compared to java, javascript is the lesser evil
<godd2> deryl with Opal you can write your code in Ruby and have it compile to javascript
<shevy> I mean, there is objects
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<shevy> window.something()
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<AliOsm> shevy , important to come to linux ? because I use windows
<shevy> although it confuses me how functions can be standalone in javascript
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<deryl> godd2 naa, i could just use coffeescript if i wanted an intermediate layer
<shevy> AliOsm working with code is easier on linux
<deryl> i want to learn the language directly
<godd2> deryl but then it's not Ruuuuuubyyyyy
<deryl> frak! accidently tiled all my channel windows and now can't figure out how to retab them
<deryl> godd2 hehe there are more skills to learn than *just* ruby
<shevy> what IRC client do you use?
<godd2> deryl are you in mirc?
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<AliOsm> I'm have good site to learn ruby http://rubylearning.com/
<deryl> shevy using mirc atm
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<shevy> in xchat it is an option, tree view vs. tab view
<deryl> godd2 yeah
<shevy> hmm been a long time since my mIRC days
<deryl> yeah me too
<shevy> AliOsm the only real way to learn is to write programs by yourself
<godd2> deryl click each tabname at the top
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<godd2> and then individually have one open and click the tiling thing
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<AliOsm> OK , but you need to know basics
<deryl> ah hah! thank you!
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<deryl> everything was so crammed i was having a *really* hard time reading the channel
<shevy> hehe
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<deryl> 9 channels tiled makes for a really nasty reading experience heheh
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<godd2> deryl you can tile 3 at a time. that works farily nicely
<godd2> it will autotile whatever isn't minimized
<deryl> my only complaint is a lack of an ALT+a equivilent to switch to active channels
<godd2> ctrl+tab
<godd2> until you get to one :)
<deryl> no that just walks the channels in order
<godd2> this free tool SUCKS
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<deryl> and there is ALT+<#>
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<deryl> godd2 naa doesn't suck, just doesn't work like i'm used to. i'm used to irssi :)
<deryl> tmux+irssi reigns supreme in my world
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<majeure> Why don't people use znc?
<shevy> what is znc
<Nilium> I use znc.
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<deryl> i've tried znc. i much prefer irssi. its been my go-to for years now
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<Nilium> The upside to tmux/irssi is that everything is retained between sessions, so if you type something, it still works.
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<Nilium> Bad phrasing. If you type something, walk away, and then resume your session, your stuff's still there.
<Nilium> Could also use screen, but tmux is better unless you're on OS X in which case it's subtly broken
<deryl> back when bouncers were all the craze I worked with, and then ran my own, irc virtual servers loaded with just about every bouncer and client you could imagine. I tried a slew of them. Found irssi prior to all that and just stuck with it.
<deryl> i like it, does what i want, stays out of my way. so now, its just one of those mainstays everyone has.
<deryl> only major change over the years is from screen to tmux
<shevy> I use xchat
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<deryl> yeah lots of folks i know like xchat. that or kvirc
<shevy> there is xchat for windows too :)
<deryl> yep
<shevy> but I guess people have moved to hexchat now since xchat is inactive since years http://hexchat.github.io/
<deryl> i just grabbed a client real fast. mirc will work while i wait for my laptop
<deryl> now, i like hexchat.
<shevy> they have a perl api and a python api
<shevy> but no ruby api
<shevy> :(
<deryl> hehe
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<deryl> ruby isn't a hammer and everything isn't a nail
<shevy> but ruby is like perl!
<deryl> *blink*
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<deryl> ok, time to work this js tut. bbl. coffee is made
<kj_> I have two .rb files and most of the code is same, So how to optimize it ? to avoid duplication ?
<deryl> most of the code in a class in each?
<deryl> modulize the code and include the module in the classes
<deryl> then just change your calls to access the namespace
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<godd2> kj_ here's a great vid on refactoring in Ruby: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC-pQPq0acs
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<deryl> actually, wouldn't using a mixin be better than a module in most cases?
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<kaspergrubbe> Takle: hello
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<deryl> i mean yeah a mixin is really a module, just depends on how its added. module <modname> vs. extend(<modname>) vs. include <modname> just to be clear
<deryl> wow that was a deplayed posting
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<bweston92> For some reason on my Windows machine `gem install [gem]` keeps giving me SSL certificate issues. Any ideas?
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<bweston92> `Unable to download data from https://rubygems.org/ - SSL_connect returned=1 errno=0 state=SSLv3 read server certificate B: certificate verify failed (https://api.rubygems.org/latest_specs.4.8.gz)`
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<shevy> bweston92 this error seems to happen quite frequently
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<shevy> I forgot how but jhass solved this somehow
<shevy> the error happens on windows machines
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<bweston92> havenwood: Thanks I've fixed it :)
<bweston92> Anyone know an alternative to `rerun`? It doesn't seem to work on Windows either
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<electrix> shevy: just wanted to say thank you!
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<electrix> my connection broke off, so I wasn't able to continue the conversation about that duck :D
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<shevy> your connection is bad man
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<electrix> I know
<electrix> I will fix that soon, including a bouncer.
<electrix> hm, another thing
<electrix> p [index, name, format]
<electrix> Is p a special function in ruby?
<electrix> Just found this in an erb template, I ask myself what the purpose of 'p' is.
<apeiros_> Kernel#p
<electrix> ah
<electrix> I google that
<electrix> the bot seems to nonreactive to this
<electrix> That's funny, how can I quickly find 'p' here?
<electrix> *fun task
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<electrix> ah, OpenStruct
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<electrix> hm, but where is that 'p' thing mentioned?
<electrix> apeiros: Hm, could you give me a hint how I can get to 'p' there?
<electrix> :(
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<apeiros_> you look at the instance methods list and click it?
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<electrix> ah, learned something
<electrix> thank you, apeiros
<electrix> I am investing time to learn more ruby.
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<electrix> apeiros: So p is a function that doesn't return but rather directly writes on the variable passed to it.
<electrix> *it does return, but only with status code
<apeiros_> ?
<apeiros_> no
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<apeiros_> Kernel#p writes the inspect of the passed object to $stdout and returns the passed object
<apeiros_> from the docs: `p(obj) → obj` means `p(obj) returns obj`
<electrix> apeiros_: and why is this thing used in the erb template? What was its purpose?
<electrix> because when it writes to stdout, it would be ignored anyway as it is a non-printing erb bracket.
<apeiros_> electrix: printing != embedding in the template.
<apeiros_> especially with a specific IO.
<electrix> Pardon my ignorance: So this p invocation will write to the template into some buffer which can be used then?
<apeiros_> electrix: stdout has *nothing* to do with your template
<apeiros_> stdout is where your *app* writes to
<electrix> yes
<electrix> for messages, errors and such
<electrix> apeiros_: this p thing is used inside the erb template, I mean it wouldn't make sense here, would it?
<apeiros_> ok, what part about "print to stdout from within the template" don't you understand?
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<electrix> ha!
<electrix> Now I got it
<electrix> apeiros_: It will result in that debug message I get during the run. Alright.
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<electrix> apeiros_: Now it makes sense to me. Thank you, apeiros!
<electrix> apeiros_: By the way - are there other nicks you associate me with? :)
<apeiros_> ?
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<apeiros_> I don't understand that question
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<electrix> apeiros_: One of my fear in IRC is that I am 'recognized' as malevolent/dumb even when changing my nick
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<apeiros_> then don't be malevolent or dumb and stick to your nick
<apeiros_> can't build a good reputation when changing nicks
<electrix> apeiros_: or a bad one :D
<electrix> apeiros_: but you are right, when I help people I should use one single nick.
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<electrix> apeiros: You and shevy got a good reputation in my eyes.
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<shevy> well there are two apeiroses
<shevy> so he gets only half karma
<electrix> cool
<electrix> and two shevies? :D
<shevy> nope only one
<shevy> notice that you even spoke to both of them just now electrix ;-)
<electrix> right, how does this come btw? His irc bouncer?
<shevy> he is confusing everyone with those two nicks
<shevy> I think one is when he is using the laptop and the other is when he is smoking weed or something like that
<electrix> lol
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<apeiros_> it comes from being too lazy to use a bouncer
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<ericwood> fuck yes I'm successfully reading MIDI data via ruby :)
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<electrix> hurra
<electrix> have you tried anvilstudios?
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<electrix> OK, I got another question: There is an array and I want to transform this array to a hash where the array values are its keys.
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<ericwood> >> a = [1,2,3,4,5,6]; Hash[*a]
<eval-in__> ericwood => {1=>2, 3=>4, 5=>6} (https://eval.in/236974)
<ericwood> or...
<ericwood> >> a = [[1,2],[3,4]].to_h
<eval-in__> ericwood => {1=>2, 3=>4} (https://eval.in/236975)
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<ericwood> second option is saner, apparently splatting is horrible memory-wise for larger amounts of data
<ericwood> electrix: ^^^^^^^^^^
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<apeiros_> ericwood: what makes you think so, re splat?
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<ericwood> apeiros_: something I read online, apparently it throws it all onto the heap
<ericwood> s/heap/stack
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<ericwood> I'd love to be wrong about that tho
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<apeiros_> can't find anything on a quick google, and not in the mood to do a long search.
<Nilium> >> [1,2,3,4,5,6].each_slice(2).to_h # Also
<eval-in__> Nilium => {1=>2, 3=>4, 5=>6} (https://eval.in/236976)
<ericwood> they wouldn't lie to me on stackoverflow, right?
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<apeiros_> no, that's mentioned in a bug I came across when googling
<apeiros_> it's gone in 2.2
<Cat_1> On big data tables you can use Hash[a.each_slice(2).to_a]
<Cat_1> From the stackoverflow linked abovce
<Cat_1> *above
<ericwood> apeiros_: sweet :D
<apeiros_> along with the huge overhead for kwargs
<apeiros_> (that one I measured - ~40x faster for 15 kwargs iirc)
<ericwood> kwargggssss
<ericwood> sorry, it's fun to say
<Nilium> Quargs
<apeiros_> hrmpf… got difficulties coming up with an efficient and nice way to handle an immutable object which has methods which return a copy of said object with changes
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<apeiros_> going over the constructor is ugly as it'd mean initialize had to take ~20 arguments
<apeiros_> not going via the constructor means I can't freeze the object at the end of initialize, and that I have to use super-ugly ivar_set
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<apeiros_> *sob*, madness.
<shevy> ericwood do you turn this into a standalone gem project? the midi reading part?
<ericwood> shevy: there's a TON of gems written by some guy that do any midi task you could ever want
<ericwood> look up Diamond, it's a full-featured sequencer
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<ericwood> the Gemfile has a ton of MIDI-related gems he wrote...very awesome and well-done projects
<ericwood> right now I'm trying to learn things so I'm just using UniMIDI for the IO bits
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<apeiros_> ericwood: oh… midi… sounds like fun. wish I had more time for stuff like that :-|
<ericwood> apeiros_: expect me to hit you up for threading advice in the near future
<ericwood> I'm trying to write a sequencer
<ericwood> then expanding it out to do craziness with filters on my synth...
<apeiros_> ericwood: expect me to be super busy :-p
<ericwood> damn!
<apeiros_> I want to get this webframework functional
<apeiros_> the more frustrated I grow with advanced stuff I'd like to do with rails, the more.
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<ericwood> why do that when you can educate me about timing + threads?
<ericwood> also how good at time-related stuff is ruby in the threading model
<ericwood> or whatever
<apeiros_> because I can de-frustrate me
<apeiros_> it's quite bad
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<ericwood> :D
<apeiros_> it's quite bad <-- re time-related stuff & ruby
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<ericwood> I'm guessing I'll want to port this over to eventmachine eventually
<ericwood> iirc it does that correctly
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<ericwood> or something.
<apeiros_> sleep can sleep sub-second, but there's no guaranteed precision
<ericwood> woohoo
<ericwood> know of any gems that can do more accurate timing?
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<Cat_1> Benchmark?
<apeiros_> no. would be quite an interesting gem, given that it'd have to somehow replace rubys scheduler.
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<ericwood> oh well. this sequencer will be primitive as all hell so I should be fine for now
<ericwood> maybe
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<electrix> ruby got a scheduler? One can replace it with native ruby?
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<Cat_1> Torquebox has a scheduler
<Cat_1> If you want to use jruby
<ericwood> JRuby isn't a horrible idea actually
<ericwood> I could get real threadz
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<ericwood> already using it for work
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<apeiros_> ok, ugly ivar_set it is.
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<apeiros_> so, basic Model.where(…).limit(…).offset(…).order(…).reverse.{find_id,first,last,to_a} works
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<shevy> omg
<shevy> rails had an impact on you
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<apeiros_> it may come as a surprise to you shevy, but I had code like that back in my php days
<apeiros_> predating rails by a long shot
<ericwood> impossible! rails invented the ORM
<ericwood> praises be to DHH
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<apeiros_> it was not an ORM
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<apeiros_> only a DB abstraction layer
<apeiros_> it technically was something like: $db->table(name)->select(cols)->where(…)->…
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<apeiros_> and not $model->…
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<ericwood> oh shit my sequencer works :o
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<shevy> now it is time for hell to freeze
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<electrix> relative_path_from can't know when a file with extension is in the path and handles it like a directory.
<electrix> like /dir1/dir2/file.txt will be handled like file.txt as a directory
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<shevy> >> File.basename "/dir1/dir2/file.txt"
<eval-in__> shevy => "file.txt" (https://eval.in/236985)
<electrix> Does expand_path also handle files? (http://ruby-doc.org/core-1.9.3/File.html#method-c-expand_path)
<electrix> >> File.expand_path('/dir/dir2', '/dir1/dir2/file.txt')
<eval-in__> electrix => "/dir/dir2" (https://eval.in/236986)
<electrix> >> File.expand_path('/dir1/dir2/file.txt', '/dir1/dir2')
<eval-in__> electrix => "/dir1/dir2/file.txt" (https://eval.in/236987)
<electrix> ok base
<ericwood> it's alive :D
<electrix> shevy: does this work with Pathname instance?
<electrix> or can Pathname not know whether this is now a file or directory as it doesn't use the system fs?
<shevy> electrix you can turn a pathname into a string
<shevy> Pathname.new($0).realpath.to_s
<shevy> or something like that
<shevy> I absolutely hate Pathname
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<shevy> also .basename
<shevy> on Pathname is possible
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<shevy> I don't think it does any checking by itself electrix
<shevy> I use File.file? or Dir.exist? or File.directory? or File.file? (hmm not sure if File.file? works)
<shevy> ericwood this image is blurry!
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<ericwood> shevy: it's a video
<ericwood> VIDEO
<shevy> ohhhh
<shevy> I thought it was an image
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<ericwood> it's nearly 2015 everything is video
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<shevy> I can't hear a thing
<shevy> oh
<shevy> there was a mute button
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<shevy> ok there is a keyboard
<shevy> how does ruby fit in?
<electrix> shevy: thans
<ericwood> shevy: read the gist
<ericwood> the ruby code is listening for the first 5 key presses and then playing them back in succession
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> the video tells me that someone is wildly playing on his keyboard
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<ericwood> I hit 5 notes and then they started playing back
<soahccc> I usually use rspec so can one help me out with this one? https://gist.github.com/2called-chaos/a9dd8eab94b44241486e line 6 works but line 7 yields undefined method `assert_not_equal'?
<ericwood> idk read the source code
<ericwood> (directed at shevy)
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<ericwood> soahccc: I could be wrong but it doesn't appear to be defined
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<ericwood> hmm I guess it's in 2.0 and not 1.9.3 then :P
<soahccc> it's not minitest I think?
<shevy> lol
<soahccc> test/unit vs minitest/unit
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<ericwood> that too
<soahccc> refute_equal sounds weird
<soahccc> looks weird rather but well it works :D
<ericwood> assert_equal !condition
<soahccc> well that doesn't work with strings
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<ericwood> ah yeah ignore me
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<electrix> Is there a better function to get only the file name without extension from a filename with extension than sub_ext(p1) ?
<electrix> Pathname instance
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<Cat_1> Dir[path/*]
<felltir> do you know the suffix?
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<electrix> hm
<electrix> no
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<felltir> electrix: then I'd use File.basename(p1,".*")
<electrix> ah, nice
<felltir> That work for you? :)
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<electrix> hm
<electrix> >> File.basename('/dir1/dir2/dir3/file.txt,".*")
<eval-in__> electrix => /tmp/execpad-05ae3c0ca550/source-05ae3c0ca550:2: unterminated string meets end of file ... (https://eval.in/236989)
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<electrix> >> File.basename('/dir1/dir2/dir3/file.txt',".*")
<eval-in__> electrix => "file" (https://eval.in/236990)
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<shevy> that's a cool trick
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<shevy> I always specified the file extension before that
<shevy> '.*' is so much simpler however
<felltir> Yeah, it's not very well documented
<shevy> hehehehe
<felltir> :)
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<XxionxX> Is there a way to do this?:
<XxionxX> array = [1,2,3]
<XxionxX> puts (array_index_start..array_index_end).inject(:*)
<XxionxX> I'm having a heck of a time trying to find the right way to do this
<shevy> and what is it you want to do
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<apeiros_> what is array_index_start and array_index_end?
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