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<pontiki> redjack1964: ruby doesn't really have the concept of a destructor like other languages; when an object goes out of use, it is marked for garbage collection.
<pontiki> redjack1964: essentially, you'll need to create a class-level method that does the decrement instead
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<pontiki> you might want to implement both the construction and destruction of this particular class's objects explicitly
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<redjack1964> pontiki: in fact, i would like to do simply something like that : my_object = nil
<pontiki> that is, in fact, not a destructor
<redjack1964> centrx: oh i didn't see your message before :-)
<pontiki> define_finalizer is tricky though. if there's any mention of self in there, that object gets thrown out of GC
<redjack1964> pontiki: this method can be good for this job, no? http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.5/ObjectSpace.html#method-c-define_finalizer
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<pontiki> redjack1964: i would still recommend doing it explicitly
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<redjack1964> pontiki: hm, let's suppose we made a class "Cars" which contains @@number_cars inside. So each times an object is created (a_car = Cars.new, a_second_car = Cars.new and so on...) , @@number_cars will be increased at their creations. But so, when deleting a car, i want to decrease this variable. How will you do that pontiki ?
<pontiki> [20141207|1807.00] < pontiki> redjack1964: essentially, you'll need to create a class-level method that does the decrement instead
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<eam> /win 2
<pontiki> /lose 1
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<rj46> ".rbenv/bin/rbenv: /usr/bin/env: bad interpreter: Permission denied" its second time wtf
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<shevy> did you find your bin/ruby finally rj46
<rj46> shevy: I still bother with that, rbenv from repo warns about bad interpreter
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<rj46> from github repo*
<rj46> rbenv install via apt work fine, but its old
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> it's like trying to find your socks early in the morning
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<rj46> i want sleep so bad
<rj46> but need to find whats wrong
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<shevy> why don't you eliminate rbenv and compile from source
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<shevy> those instructions are super long
<rj46> just 3 lines
<rj46> and it should work
<shevy> eh it also talks about shims
<shevy> I dunno why the ... it needs that
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<shevy> rj46 so I did that git
<shevy> there is no bin/ruby
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<rj46> shevy: its not necessary
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<shevy> so you use your system ruby?
<rj46> you should be able to install ruby then from rbenv
<shevy> I mean - where is your bin/ruby file?
<shevy> so you must setup rbenv first and still don't have ruby
<rj46> its just help you keep different versions
<shevy> you can do the same all by yourself
<shevy> gobolinux does it for all programs
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<shevy> ./configure --prefix=/Programs/Ruby/2.1.5
<shevy> one symlink at Current always points to the version in use
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<rj46> there is probably many tricks for that, but I chose that with rbenv
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<rj46> and want to end this ;d
<shevy> there are no tricks, rbenv does it the same
<shevy> ~/.rbenv/versions/1.8.7-p371/
<shevy> ~/.rbenv/versions/1.9.3-p327/
<shevy> ~/.rbenv/versions/jruby-1.7.1/
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<diegoviola> chruby ftw
<shevy> precisely the gobolinux setup; though of course not in the home dir, and no reason for that weir "versions" name either
<shevy> a bit strange that he uses the word versions, and then also appends the version. isn't that superfluous?
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<rj46> I also curious why the heck that installed rbenv from sources has some warnings ;p
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<bitcycle195031> Hey
<havenwood> hi
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<Phagus> Does Ruby support passing keyword arguments to methods and classes?
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<Phagus> EG, in Python you can call a function like this: myFunc(z="TestZ", a="TestA")
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<Phagus> And it will look up the arguments a and z in the funcion, and assign them accordingly
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<Phagus> Merci boucoup.
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<ori> is there a way to check if a method is 'empty' -- a bare 'def foo; end' ?
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<epitron> ori: why would you want to do that? :)
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<GreatSUN> hey gusys
<GreatSUN> guys
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<GreatSUN> anyone in here who can tell me if there is some simple way to reconvert an inspect of nokogiri object back into a nokogiri object?
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<godd2> GreatSUN what made you lose the original object?
<GreatSUN> godd2: it's a debug output from customer and I would like to check something easily hence it is a very big xml object
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<GreatSUN> godd2: so? any idea?
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<godd2> Not anymore than just straight parsing I guess. But that's only solves the problem as stated, it doesn't solve the problem you may be really having
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<GreatSUN> godd2: you mean manual parsing (by eyes and mind)?
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<godd2> Like I said, I have no idea offhand. I've never used Nokogiri
<godd2> But you may want to consider some sort of logging to capture this issue?
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<Fleuv> Hi, I've problems with installing compass on a specific mac (an older one), installing it on a newer mac model installs without any problems. I'm using these versions: sass 3.4.9 gem 2.4.5 and this is the error I've: http://pastebin.com/b97y2M1V
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<shevy> Fleuv it claims that you don't have ruby header file
<Timgauthier> :O!
<Timgauthier> how dare you behead ruby!
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<bentkus> apeiros:
<Fleuv> shevy: I never used ruby on that mac before. How can it be missing and more important how do I fix it?
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<shevy> Fleuv not sure how you installed it
<shevy> Fleuv, on my linux system, I compiled from source and I have this file here: /usr/include/ruby-2.1.0/ruby.h
<Fleuv> shevy: What exactly? Ruby, Sass or compass (what isnt installed yet)
<Timgauthier> non ruby opinion, blog, should the main page show the latest post and then archives show excerpts or should the archives show full posts multiple on a page?
<shevy> Fleuv ruby - the error says that you are missing a ruby header file
<Timgauthier> Fleuv well you're missing ruby header, so i'd asume ruby
<Timgauthier> dang shevy you fassst
<shevy> :)
<shevy> my head is dizzy, I woke up just recently
<Fleuv> I've got a new error after following this
<Timgauthier> wow that sucks
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<Timgauthier> :P
<shevy> Fleuv can you look into /usr/include for *ruby*
<Timgauthier> go back to bed, its too early in europe
<shevy> hehehe
<mityaz> Timgauthier, it depends what Europe
<shevy> checking for ffi.h... *** extconf.rb failed ***
<shevy> do you have the file ffi.h Fleuv
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<Timgauthier> west europe is best europe mityaz :P
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<Fleuv> :D
* Timgauthier [posts from east germany]
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<mityaz> Timgauthier, hehe, it depends
* mityaz posts from Ukraine
<mityaz> :)
<shevy> cool so you can post from the war front mityaz ;P
<Timgauthier> how are things over in the ukraine? cold as heck yet?
<shevy> it's cold in central europe too!
<mityaz> shevy, yep, I'm pretty close to it :)
<shevy> oh wait... around 6° C here ... so that is not that cold
<shevy> mityaz I remember how that ruby conference had to be cancelled
<mityaz> +1C here, used to be -18 two days ago
<Timgauthier> no one wants to fly in shevy
<shevy> ewwww
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<shevy> -18 is crazy
<mityaz> shevy yeas :(( I was going to attend it, Kiev
<shevy> Fleuv I am pretty sure that there must be a way on osx to install the headers
<mityaz> shevy yep, freezing. it can go worse soon, to -25
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<Timgauthier> sounds like back home (canada)
<shevy> hehe
<shevy> the land of the acorn squirrels
<Fleuv> Should I reinstall ruby?
<Timgauthier> yes
<shevy> Fleuv dunno, that shouldn't be necessary if you can find out how to obtain the headers. have you checked in /usr/include already?
<shevy> or whatever is the osx equivalent
<shevy> Framework blabla or something
<Timgauthier> ~/library/ something likely
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<Fleuv> shevy: Inside /usr/include there is nothing inside called *ruby*
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<Fleuv> But to avoid any future problems I'll reinstall ruby, this is the easiest way, right?
<Timgauthier> my ruby works and it isn't in the includes folder either
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<shevy> Fleuv I have no idea sorry. We need an OSX guy - I always compile stuff from source on linux
<shevy> Timgauthier but you do have a ruby.h file?
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<Timgauthier> nope
<Fleuv> I'm also not that into mac, I prefer ubuntu
<mityaz> I'm using OSX and installed ruby via rbenv
<shevy> you osx guys are strange
<mityaz> ;)
<Timgauthier> ruby is usually preinstalled by the OS, but then i put my own copy from some other thing i can't remember
<Timgauthier> mityaz yeah i think so too
<shevy> hehehe
<mityaz> hehe
<mityaz> Default ruby is weird in most cases, so always use rbenv or rvm
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<shevy> \o/
<mityaz> Fleuv, so, I'd suggesting taking look at them
<shevy> mityaz is there a public holiday today in the Ukraine?
<mityaz> shevy, nope, it's normal Monday ;)
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<mityaz> a lot of Holidays are starting Dec 31 - 10th Jan
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<Timgauthier> i really wish the west actually helped the ukraine so we didn't have this bullshit going on now
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<Timgauthier> but i really can't wait till you guys get to have "Fuck russia" day
<mityaz> Timgauthier, yea, situation is getting to bad, actually I'm from the region of this battles, so had to relocate to the West of Ukraine to keep working
<Timgauthier> :(
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<mityaz> Donetsk ;)
<Timgauthier> yeah i know
<mityaz> btw, it's interesting, what the Western people think on it?
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<mityaz> I mean on the whole situation
<Fleuv> mityaz: installing rvm now. I'll keep ya up-to-date and yes fuck russia, i love ukraine! :D
<shevy> war sucks
<mityaz> Fleuv, ;)
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<Fleuv> I often visit west ukraine
<Fleuv> Lviv
<mityaz> yes, Lviv is cool
<Fleuv> xD
<Timgauthier> well some of us are pissed that we didn't actually come in and help secure the country and keep russia out when we got asked too, as we watched russian soldiers march in and our leaders still don't seem to think its actually russian soldiers which is fucking rediuclous. but there are so many other shitting things that keep coming up and distracting from it
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<mityaz> Timgauthier, as to me, to much politics + the 'Gas' question. West is too much dependent on it
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<shevy> I want an object oriented shell
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<Timgauthier> yeah i live in germany, (as i mentioned earlier so i know you know) and there is a lot of germans who are not wanting to have gas problems, but now that OPEC has tanked fuel prices, maybe we can fuck off the use of russian gas
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<Timgauthier> since it is cheap to go get it elsewhere now too
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<shevy> doesn't Russia deliver 1/3 of germany's needs in gas?
<Timgauthier> yes
<shevy> hmm that's a lot to replace
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<Timgauthier> yes but finland wants to
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<Timgauthier> wants too*
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<shevy> it must be even colder in finland than in the ukraine
<Timgauthier> yes but they have oil! :D
<Timgauthier> and gas, nat gas, lpg whatever
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<mityaz> hhehe and /me is studying German now ;) want to try working somether in Germany
<mityaz> do you need ruby devs there? ;)
<Timgauthier> awesome :) hopefully they get into the eu
<Timgauthier> i dunno mityaz, i'm honestly not really invovled in the scene :( i'm new here too
<mityaz> Timgauthier, oh, ok. ;)
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<shevy> he is writing PHP code
<shevy> :>
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<mityaz> :P
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<Fleuv> shevy, mityaz: I managed to fix it through rvm :D
<Fleuv> Thanks for the support
<mityaz> Fleuv, no problem, glad it's solved ;)
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<shevy> YES
<shevy> he used a non osx solution!
<shevy> :D
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<Timgauthier> hahaha
<shevy> actually, that is pretty much how must debian-based guys will solve their ruby problems too (they'll use non-debian solutions e. g. chruby rvm rbenv or even compile from source \o/)
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<jmaister> Hi. Do any of you have a second to look at this issue? http://stackoverflow.com/q/27356441/927408
<jmaister> It's about SQLite and UTF8
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<Timgauthier> *puke*
<Timgauthier> use active record newb
<Timgauthier> jk i'm the newb
<tobiasvl> jmaister: no idea but I'm from Oslo too … so
<jmaister> My program is too trivial to user active record
<jmaister> tobiasvl: ^5
<Takumo> Is there a known problem using byebug with guard?
<shevy> jmaister what does "baræøå".encoding output?
<Takumo> Because if I use byebug in my code (run with guard & guard-rack, the debugger is too slow to work)
<jmaister> shevy: => #<Encoding:UTF-8>
<jmaister> in my irb shell at least
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<jmaister> Those 5 lines should be all you need to reproduce it
<pontiki> hate to say this, jmaister, but "works fine for me"
<jmaister> :S
<jmaister> well, that's interesting
<Areessell> That is awesome
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<pontiki> jmaister: running ruby 2.1.5 on ubuntu 12.04
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<shevy> pontiki has mastered ruby AND utf
<jmaister> Hm. This is 2.0.0 on Mac OS 10.10.1
<pontiki> ah, hang on
<jmaister> 2.1.0 on Ubuntu actually works
<pontiki> ok, i get the same issue when running from irb, but not if i run it straight in ruby
<jmaister> But I get the same issue when I run it as a script on the same Ubuntu instance
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<jmaister> But not in irb? Eh
<shevy> irb is not always 100% equivalent to ruby
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<jmaister> good to know
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<pontiki> no, readline and other issues may contribute problems
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<jmaister> And I get this no matter if I run the bot from Ubuntu or Mac OSX
<shevy> I think that @db = nil is kinda useless there jmaister
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<jmaister> shevy: eh, yeah :P Must have been left behind
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<arup_r_> shevy: Where are you ?
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<pontiki> over there -->
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<shevy> lol
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<jmaister> Ok, so I actually solved my problem. I never got the UTF-8 part into my query since I used a regexp what matched with `\w` which only matches ascii. I should have used `[[:word]]`. Now my scripts works as expected. This, then, is nothing more than a "irb on mac" curiosity.
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<shevy> oha
<jmaister> Silly me
<shevy> well it would also mean that [:word] is better than \w, no?
<jmaister> Yeah. But why \w doesn't count æøå as "word characters" is beyond me. Must be designed by muricans
<shevy> does [:word] work on ASCII strings as well?
<jmaister> shevy: yes
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<shevy> /[[:word:]]/ - A character in one of the following Unicode general categories Letter, Mark, Number, Connector_Punctuation
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<jmaister> Yeah, but most text get passed around as utf8 regardless if it contains funny characters
<jmaister> So it should be pretty safe to use
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<jmaister> operators: please ban sirpeng. he is a spammer
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<apeiros_> jmaister: because \w is defined as such
<apeiros_> it's [A-Za-z\d_]
<jmaister> apeiros_: I know that… now
<apeiros_> and there's, as you discovered, [:word]
<jmaister> I guess "RTFM" should cover it pretty well
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<apeiros_> also \p{word}
<apeiros_> and \p{letter} and other stuff
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<apeiros_> and yes, you really should RTFM Regexp
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<apeiros_> there's tons of stuff in it
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<jmaister> Still doesn't explain why my tiny test program doesn't work on irb on mac
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<shevy> use linux!
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<jmaister> lunix!
<jmaister> I do, just not on my work computer
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<apeiros_> jmaister: code & problem description? (I guess you already gave it, but backlog…)
<jmaister> apeiros_: This was my initial question http://stackoverflow.com/q/27356441/927408
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<jmaister> I just assumed the problem was in the database when it wasn't
<apeiros_> [5] pry(main)> db.get_first_value "SELECT value FROM test"
<apeiros_> => "baræøå"
<apeiros_> on mac
<apeiros_> seems to work for me. let me try with irb explicitly
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<apeiros_> works in irb too. what ruby version?
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<jmaister> 2.0.0
<apeiros_> might also be a problem with your encoding settings of the terminal.app
<jmaister> Ok, I'll close it as off topic
<apeiros_> when you do this:
<apeiros_> sql = "INSERT INTO test(key, value) VALUES(?, ?)", "foo", "baræøå"; sql.encoding
<apeiros_> what do you get?
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<jmaister> It acutally spits out unicode
<jmaister> irb(main):004:0> db.query "INSERT INTO test(key, value) VALUES(?, ?)", "foo", "bar\U+FFC3\U+FFA6\U+FFC3\U+FFB8\U+FFC3\U+FFA5"
<jmaister> So that might be it
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<apeiros_> that's not actually what I asked
<apeiros_> what does the str.encoding say?
<jmaister> irb(main):005:0> "\U+FFC3\U+FFA6\U+FFC3\U+FFB8\U+FFC3\U+FFA5".encoding
<jmaister> => #<Encoding:UTF-8>
<apeiros_> but yes, it happens when you paste it into irb
<jmaister> I typed that actually
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<apeiros_> typing is the same to osx as pasting
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<apeiros_> "æ" != "\uffc3"
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<apeiros_> check your terminal.app settings
<jmaister> I use iTerm2
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<jmaister> Encoding is set to UTF-8
<apeiros_> what does Readline::VERSION return?
* apeiros_ expects editline
<jmaister> => "EditLine wrapper"
<apeiros_> bingo
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<apeiros_> editline is broken
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<apeiros_> it's osx' replacement for readline
<apeiros_> build ruby against readline instead of editline and your problem goes away. the problem only happens specifically when entering unicode with editline.
<jmaister> oh jeez
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<apeiros_> indeed
<apeiros_> it's quite an annoying problem. I remember reinstalling ruby a couple of times when I forgot to specify readline.
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<apeiros_> I'll give you the answer on stackoverflow
<apeiros_> so you can accept it :-)
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<jmaister> Sure
<jmaister> I'll delete my last edit
<shevy> delete the whole post!!!
<apeiros_> noway, then I don't get points!
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<jmaister> haha
<shevy> hehe
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<jmaister> Boom
<jmaister> Welcome to the 1k points club
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<jmaister> It's more sought after than Reddit Silver
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<apeiros_> I got my 1k mostly from 2 answers :D
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<apeiros_> thx
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<shevy> what would you guys say does python better than ruby?
<apeiros_> the indentation thingy
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<wasamasa> the sanity part
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<shock_one> Could you guys suggest me a fixed sized data structure with random access? Like an array, but which would drop out the exceeding elements. I've found https://rubygems.org/gems/revolver , but it's not very popular.
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<shock_one> shevy: python has better scientific libraries. People use it instead of R.
<wasamasa> shock_one: lol, that's just an array with weird access methods
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<shock_one> wasamasa: exactly what I need. It makes sure the size is no more than n elements.
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<shock_one> Like a cache, but not without keys.
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<shock_one> *but without.
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<apeiros_> shock_one: wrap an array?
<apeiros_> and why is lack of popularity a reason not to use revolver?
<wasamasa> because 50 lines of code need community support!
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<shock_one> It's not. I just thought there is a library everybody knows, which I'm missing.
<apeiros_> ruby-toolbox would know
<apeiros_> generic datastructures sadly have little popularity in ruby :-/
<shevy> Array!
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<apeiros_> shevy: that's in core already. I meant beyond core/stdlib
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<shock_one> shevy: apeiros_, is ruby your favourite language?
<shevy> yeah
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<shock_one> What do you think about dynamic typing with regards to stability?
<shock_one> I know about Ruby 3.
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<shevy> dunno
<shevy> I need clear use cases where things are awesome
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<apeiros_> shock_one: yes
<apeiros_> I have no opinion on dynamic typing
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<shock_one> I like the flexibility of Ruby a lot, but I rarely use it. Unfortunately, I can't remember any applications to show as a use case, but, for example, in Haskell community they say that if it compiles then likely it works as expected. Although, I'm afraid we can't make a single creature from a flexible sneak and a stable though awkward elephant.
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<shevy> shock_one what language do you use?
<shock_one> I program in Ruby most of my time.
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<jmaister> I mostly use PHP. PHP has terrible type handling :/
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<apeiros_> I have serious doubts about that haskell claim
<shevy> shock_one and what do you do with ruby? commandline actions? web-related stuff?
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<shock_one> Although, I secretly take a peak at Go, Rust, and Haskell.
<apeiros_> jmaister: php has terrible everything
<shevy> php has good online docu!
<shock_one> I write web-related stuff.
<tobiasvl> no it doesn't
<tobiasvl> shevy: scroll through this and tell me it's good http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com/
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<shevy> I have no idea what phpmanualmasterpieces - we agree to compare the official link?
<shock_one> It's easy to find a PHP developer, which is good for somebody.
<tobiasvl> shevy: hmm?
<shevy> here is the comparison to ruby: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.5/Class.html
<tobiasvl> shevy: phpmanualmasterpieces is a blog that points out the ridiculous stuff in the PHP manual
<jmaister> I'm not a PHP developer, I'm just a developer who happens to user PHP
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<jmaister> tobiasvl: http://www.reddit.com/r/lolphp
<shevy> at least they should get a better design than the official php docs, makes them look all incompetent :)
<tobiasvl> jmaister: yeah that one is nice too! but shevy said that PHP's redeeming quality was it's documentation, which http://phpmanualmasterpieces.tumblr.com disputes
<shock_one> I like this one. http://phpthegoodparts.tumblr.com/
<tobiasvl> shock_one: haha.
<shevy> yeah, php has good online documentation. tobiasvl do you honestly say that ruby has better online documentation than php has?
<tobiasvl> shevy: no, I don't think I ever said that
<tobiasvl> shevy: I just said that PHP does not have good online documentation
<shevy> ok which language has?
<tobiasvl> no idea
<jmaister> PHP bashing in a ruby channel. Who would have thought…
<shevy> jmaister oh yeah, PHP as a programming language is god awful
<tobiasvl> shevy: python's is probably good?
<shevy> tobiasvl yeah I think so too; it's a bit too long sometimes though
<jmaister> tl;dr
<shevy> information overflow!
<shock_one> shevy: what other languages do you know (besides JS, everybody thinks he knows it).
<shevy> shock_one php :D
<shevy> and less than 2 years of perl; I was actually more productive in php than in perl
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<shevy> shock_one in the long run though I think there is no way around for anyone programming for many years without one of these: C/C++/Objc/Java/C#/D
<shock_one> And wasn't it lovely in, say, Java, to press a dot and see all the methods available?
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<xxneolithicxx> smh, nope nope nope
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<xxneolithicxx> Java is probably one of the few languages that is so absurd that u need stuff like that to get anything done in a sane timeframe
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<apeiros_> java is overengineered to the point of being impractical :-/
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<shock_one> shevy: I'm not trying to seduce you. It's just I'm still in search for a perfect language, and every new one disappoints me in one or another way.
<xxneolithicxx> *dont even get me started on the fact that Java in corporations just seems to breed copy/paste coders for some reason
<shevy> shock_one do you think you can find a perfect language?
<xxneolithicxx> let us know when u find the unicorn
<shevy> xxneolithicxx that copy/paste killed me ... it makes Java so boring
<apeiros_> xxneolithicxx: and coders who think refactor means "press button 'refactor' in IDE"
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<xxneolithicxx> people who's first language is Java for some reason also get stuck in this "I must abstract" the living day lights out of things before they have even solved the damn problem they are working on
<xxneolithicxx> it leads to some really ugly code
<apeiros_> but I think that's a property applying to any sufficiently easy language. it attracts people who are not elite. and that's not entirely bad.
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<xxneolithicxx> I guess
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<shevy> does one of you know whether the semantics of "alias" and "alias_method" changed? I seem to be able to use "alias" but in the past I used alias_method usually; I thought it was because there was a peculiar way for some method names with "alias", whereas with "alias_method" it always seemed to work hence why I used that... may be in ruby 1.8.x days
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<xxneolithicxx> does ruby have any built-in means to read from STDIN without echo (like for passwords)
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<jmaister> So many solutions http://stackoverflow.com/q/2338889/927408
<xxneolithicxx> was hoping for something builtin but that would work
<tobiasvl> don't think it has anything built in, but if you're not platform agnostic you can tell stty not to echo
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<tobiasvl> oh
<tobiasvl> well
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<globait> hey guys what would you recommend to learn ruby logical thinking
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<tobiasvl> globait: what's ruby logical thinking?
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<xxneolithicxx> that would work except for the shell out is not platform agnostic and insanely hackish, I have to run my code on MRI 1.8.7+ and on Lin/Win.
<globait> i'm struggling with logic it seems like i lack it
<globait> have you guys heard of codewars?
<jmaister> can you elaborate on your use of the word "logic"?
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<shock_one> globait: maybe you could consider taking a course on formal logic, like this one https://www.coursera.org/course/intrologic
<gregf_> globait: logic cannot be obtained from ruby :/, unfortunately. your best bet is get a problem statement and try finding a solution for it :)
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<globait> could i be mentally challenged?
<tobiasvl> globait: what makes you think that?
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<tobiasvl> so far all you've said is that you struggle with "logic" whatever you mean by that
<tobiasvl> hard for us to make a diagnosis on your mental health based on that…
<globait> well, the fact that i can't solve problems on codewars and i've been working hard for months and still not understanding a lot of the syntax, also i can't really finish something without looking back at examples as a crutch
<globait> that's what makes me think that i might be mentally challenged
<xxneolithicxx> maybe you are aiming too high for your skill level?
<tobiasvl> so you suggest that people for whom programming doesn't come naturally are all retarded?
<tobiasvl> an extravagant claim
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<wasamasa> isn't codewars that website that taught you thinking inside the box?
<globait> i don't know about everyone, but i think i might be
* wasamasa checks
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<wasamasa> no, that was codewarrior I guess
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<globait> thank you for the coursera link, i am going to work really hard and try to go through the corue on logic :)
<Linell_> globait: Nah. Programming is just hard and takes a long time to really "get". If you're struggling with logic, check out that link above for a formal logic course. They're nice.
<globait> wasamasa: it's http://codewars.com/
<wasamasa> globait: to be honest, I don't think measuring yourself by how well you do at contrived challenges is helpful
<globait> today i am starting a programming bootcamp and my classmates are prodigies
<globait> i am one of the youngest there
<wasamasa> oh you're that guy from #lisp
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<wasamasa> well, programming is mostly solving problems
<wasamasa> knowing more than one programming language, data structures and algorithms help a lot
<globait> yep i am that guy from #lisp, the people from #lisp were nice enough to show me to this channel :)
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<gregf_> globait: if you can code in lisp you 'surely' have logic dont you think so?
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<globait> no gregf_ , the reason i went to lisp is exactly for that reason, i heard lisp people are some of the most knowledgeable in the entire industry
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<gregf_> globait: python is an easy language for beginners :/
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<gregf_> oh - no. guess he's gone/going to #python :/
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<wasamasa> lol
<wasamasa> #python does not tolerate much smalltalk
<wasamasa> huehuehue
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<shevy> yeah
<shevy> I always get banned when I ask them sSHhs hshs SHhs hszshs?
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<FelipeAbella> Is there a shortcut like array.sort_by(&:foo) that instead of calling "obj.foo" calls "obj[foo]" or "obj.fetch(foo)"?
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<shevy> don't think you could do when it wants an explicit argument like .fetch(foo) FelipeAbella
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<jhass> FelipeAbella: no
<FelipeAbella> shevy, what about obj[foo]?
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<jhass> obj[foo] is syntax sugar for obj.[](foo)
<shevy> FelipeAbella hmm don't think so either ... foo is also an argument
<jhass> I mean you can do &method(:[]) and stuff like that, but that's not even shorter
<FelipeAbella> I see, can I write something like aray.sort_by(&fetcher('foo')), where fetcher is a function I defined myself to create those blocks?
<jhass> sure
<FelipeAbella> I'll try that then, I like the &:foo syntax very much, but since I use a lot of hashes, I hate when I can't use that
<FelipeAbella> Thank you both!
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<shevy> speaking of java earlier: http://bash.org/?949802
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<jokke> hello
<shevy> hey joker
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<shevy> slay the batman
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<jokke> done
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<jokke> i'm having some trouble with treetop
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<jokke> i'd really appreciate it if someone could give me a hand. https://p.jreinert.com/m-K10n/
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<jokke> the first file is my grammar, the second one the input and the last is the resulting ast
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<jokke> i'm a bit confused about stuff like SyntaxNode+Expression0
<jokke> why does this have the class SyntaxNode and not Expression?
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<shevy> what is that even
<shevy> you add two constants?
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<athan> Is there an easy way to convert a `datetime` to a particular timezone?
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<ericwood> athan: if you know the offset from GMT you can convert it pretty easily
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<ericwood> athan: but there's nowhere that enumerates them all in a human-readable way
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<ericwood> ActiveSupport adds a bunch of stuff to DateTime for things like this, though
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<athan> ericwood: I just found it - `Text.to_time_zone("Some timezone")` did the trick
<athan> thank you :)
<ericwood> np!
<ericwood> enjoy messing with timezones :P
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<chinmay_dd> Guys, sorry this is a little bit off topic but I am splitting my hair over it. I have a code which solves this problem XMAX on SPOJ. I have a C++ and a Ruby code. The C++ code passes but Ruby doesnt. I had asked this question earlier but even after applying the edits, it failed to run. Ruby - https://gist.github.com/chinmaydd/f82ad5fe3f088b1ff22c C++ - https://gist.github.com/chinmaydd/bfbbdc4bbae9aee06f7d Thanks :)
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<waxjar> chinmay_dd: a little more context would be useful. what are you trying to do, what is your input, expected and actual output, etc?
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<chinmay_dd> waxjar, hey thanks for the reply. I am trying to solve this problem http://www.spoj.com/problems/XMAX/ using Gaussian elimination.
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<chinmay_dd> The problem is the codes are 'almost' exactly the same(even the variable names), but C++ code is correct and Ruby one is giving a NZEC(Non zero exit code) according to the Online judge.
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<waxjar> do you not get any errors printed?
<chinmay_dd> None at all. I tried for a bunch of test cases.
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<waxjar> the >>= stuff looks suspicious, i don't think that's syntax
<waxjar> *valid
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<chinmay_dd> oh okay. waxjar let me try it out.
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<chinmay_dd> :( nope. Seems to be a weird problem
<mallu> is there any way to see gem dependencies?
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<shevy> mallu: gem dependency -r name_of_gem_here
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<mallu> shevy: thanks.. when I instal a gem something in the dependency tree is fetching a gem called ohai ver 8.0 How can I find out what is fetching this gem
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<shevy> not sure there is an easy way
<soahccc> with bundler there is
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<shevy> how would he go about finding that out with bundler?
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<soahccc> I would search for the gem in the gemfile.lock
<arup_r> mallu: from which country are you ?
<shevy> he may not have that file
<mallu> I don;t have gemfile.lock
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<soahccc> Then I just would create one :) otherwise I have no idea
<shevy> mallu there must be some Gem command that allows it, as Gem itself manages to find out. I would ask drbrain on #rubygems
<mallu> ok thanks
<mallu> arup_r: why?
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<arup_r> mallu: You tell me.. Then I'd say why? You first tell Dude! :-)
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<shevy> arup_r hey you asked me that question, then you disconnected quickly!
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<ninegordon> hey so what's a good place to learn ruby for absolute beginners?
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<arup_r> shevy: Which question ?
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<claf> ninegordon: your computer
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<claf> ninegordon: install ruby and ri
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<claf> #ruby #ruby-lang
<claf> stackoverfloq
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<ninegordon> oh wow here we go :D thanks :D
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<waxjar> chinmay_dd: here's some more idiomatic code, it passes the test on the page (https://gist.github.com/britishtea/3b9e7ade86fa4663c568)
<waxjar> but i don't know if it's a correct solution
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<shevy> arup_r lol
<chinmay_dd> waxjar, okay. I think it will TLE but will check it out. Thanks! :)
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<waxjar> tle?
<shevy> <arup_r_> shevy: Where are you ?
<shevy> <pontiki> over there -->
<shevy> <shevy> lol
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<shevy> I don't keep timestamps on IRC so I have no real idea when it happened
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<chinmay_dd> Time Limit Exceeded
<arup_r> ok
<arup_r> quiet please shevy:
<waxjar> ah, if you want speed, Ruby is not a great choice anyway :)
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<chinmay_dd> waxjar, I know. But I have been trying to use Ruby for Competitive Programming for a while now. It doesnt dissapoint me much ;)
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<shevy> with whom do you compete
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<shevy> turbopascal?
<chinmay_dd> shevy, didnt get you? :p
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<ninegordon> LOL PASCAL
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<ninegordon> does any language compete with that dry, withered husk of a language?
<shevy> chinmay_dd well you wrote competitive programming
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<shevy> I wonder what languages are used in such competitions
<chinmay_dd> shevy, people generally prefer C++ , C and Java. Sometimes, Python.
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<godd2> is `gem which some_gem_name`.chomp the best way to grab the installed directory of some_gem_name?
<shevy> godd2 there should be more ways
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<shevy> here are two ways that could work if you tweak it a little
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<shevy> RbConfig::CONFIG['sitelibdir']+'/some_gem_name'
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<shevy> ^^^ that may require tweaking, but it works for me usually
<shevy> the other way, in a .rb file though
<shevy> require 'pathname'; BASE_DIR = Pathname(__FILE__).dirname.realpath.to_s
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<shevy> I also think there is a way through Gem to find out the installation directory directly
<shevy> e. g. the output of "gem env", all the stuff that is written out there
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<godd2> shevy awesome thanks :)
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<godd2> shevy here's a sneak peek at what I'm working on: http://mulleronrails.com/mario.html
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<godd2> I'm using Opal to be able to write games in Ruby that work in browsers :)
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<shevy> lol
<shevy> cool idea
<_1_jakke1996> what
<shevy> do you really get away using just ruby there?
<godd2> yep
<shevy> it would sound too good to be true
<godd2> lemme push some commits so you can see what I did
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<godd2> Here's the repo: https://github.com/nicklink483/dare
<godd2> here's the code that made that mario game: https://github.com/nicklink483/dare/blob/master/examples/mario/mario.rb
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<godd2> The gem is in super-early alpha, so I know I have a lot of polishing to do
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<godd2> but you can see in, like, lib/dare/window.rb lots of javascript running around for Opal
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<shevy> you had to write javascript?
<godd2> *I* have to write javascript so that *you* don't have to :P
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<godd2> My goal is to make it so that someone writing a game gets away with just writing ruby
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<shevy> ah
<shevy> ok
<godd2> my library will do any necessary translating
<shevy> I thought that was specific for the game
<godd2> well other than the json string, there's no javascript in mario.rb
<godd2> but that's just to simulate loading a level
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<jokke> maybe now someone here with experience with treetop?
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<grn_> Hi! I'm trying to implement polynomial manipulation. My WIP is https://gist.github.com/grn/b7f022b8193c3b26600a. What I don't like is, for example, Polynomial#+. It just looks ugly. Does anyone have an idea how to make it cleaner?
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<claf> lets see
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<grn_> I'm hoping to rely on polymorphism more and reduce the number of ifs (and #is_a?). But I really don't know whether that's possible.
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<claf> weird terminology
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<claf> lol where did you get "summand"
<centrx> that's standard
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<claf> terms those
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<centrx> grn_, Isn't monomial just the trivial case of polynomial? Why different code for it?
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<xxneolithicxx> lapidary: whats your ruby version
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<lapidary> 1.9 something
<lapidary> ah, I found -v for version… I think that’ll do it
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<lapidary> 1.9.3
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<claf> grn_: you should add simple tests that simultaneously unit, regressioan test, and demonstrate
<claf> if posso
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<grn_> centrx: two reasons: 1. I was working on a library for measurement units which I wanted to implement as monomials over a ring with unit names being the variables (i.e. R[s, kg, ...]). I'm just exploring the possibility of supporting non-monomial polynomials like 1 kg + 5 s. The second reason is that I tried to mimic the theoretical construction of a polynomial ring in multiple variables where you first define the monomial of a given multid
<grn_> egree and then define polynomials in terms of monimials.
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<grn_> centrx: but I think that you're right that dealing only with polynomials will lead to simplified code
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<grn_> claf: I have a spec file which I didn't upload as it isn't important for this discussion
<claf> as to the #+
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<claf> its good enough for ruby core, why not your lib?
<claf> also, a library that renames 'nums * method seems like a gamble
<grn_> claf: I'm just not satisfied with it. Please, treat it as a code kata where I want to come up with the best code possible.
<xxneolithicxx> lapidary: sudo gem install --version 4.2.0.rc2; sudo gem install actionpack --version 4.2.0.rc2; sudo gem install devise
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<lapidary> thanks xxneolithicxx
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<grn_> claf: yeah, that part is risky ;-) I need these aliases in order to extend #*. This way you can write 2 * some_polynomial. Other cases are handled by the original #*. If I were to release this library to the public I'd certainly make this an optional feature.
<claf> grn_: are you sure you need the nested if's with if index
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<grn_> claf: yeah, that's a really ugly part. Preferably I'd have no ifs at all. In this case the else clause delegates the hard work (i.e. actually adding things) to the consequent of the top-level if. I think that centrx is right that just having a single Polynomial class would make things simpler. I'll explore this direction ...
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<claf> grn_: well its not really ugly
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<claf> grn_: thats just an idea, so maybe you could find a more succinct way to express that
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<claf> and fewer LOC is always good, so imo ditch the monome
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<grn_> Yeah, working on that right now. Will post results soon ...
<claf> I hope that helps 8) grn_ your code in general is nice and clean looking
<mbeasley> anyone ever had threading issues when executing shell commands from a background worker with resque?
<grn_> Sure it helps! Thanks a lot!
<claf> mbeasley: threading? or ?
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<mbeasley> probably my poor choice of words based on assumption. i'm often getting "interrupted system calls" when executing shell commands from resque workers
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<claf> yeah, I'd hazard a guess no threads used there
<claf> well, ruby doesn't
<claf> except
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<claf> you might use something threaded, and jruby does, if you tell it to
<mbeasley> no - you're probably right. ignore the threading bit
<rpag> mbeasley, afaik resque uses a process pool instead of a thread pool
<sifi> #ruby I have a question. I am doing a Net::HTTP request through HTTParty and when I set the read timeout to 10 second and it eventually hits the timeout the exception takes an additional 10 seconds before my code in the `rescue` takes to process. I'm measuring this by setting a Time.now before the request and inside the rescue I'm doing a diff of the current time.
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<mbeasley> correct. - sorry about the threading bit. but as far as the `interrupted system call` bit, anyone ever encountered that with resque workers?
<rpag> i havent
<claf> mbeasley: well, you could look at which commands get interrupted, but one could guess that it may be two processes trying to access same file
<claf> could/should
<mbeasley> claf: interesting thought. i'm running `file -Lb` on a file to detect for gzipped files
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<claf> IO blox
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<mbeasley> claf: can you elaborate? are you reiterating your suspicion that two processes could be accessing the same file?
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<claf> mbeasley: yes
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<mbeasley> claf: k. i'll dig deeper. thanks
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<claf> mbeasley: you could try following which processes access which files
<axilla> hi all, i'm trying to think through a recursive function. I have a folder object that lists a bunch of other file and folder mini objects(just their id and name). I need to recursively loop through the original folder object and download all the files + folders and their files. Anyone have a good read that I can look at on recursive functions?
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<axilla> thanks claf!
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<axilla> my searches weren't bringing back anything of quality, and i see why!
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<havenwood> axilla: What's a 'folder object'?
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<grn_> OK, I updated the code - see https://gist.github.com/grn/b7f022b8193c3b26600a again. Much cleaner!
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<axilla> havenwood: a its an object with json folder data in it related to our app and the app i'm working on integrating with
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<axilla> rails app
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<grn_> I think the code can be improved a little bit by introducing a MultiIndex class and implementing multi-index addition using as MultiIndex#+ instead of #hash_sum.
<axilla> the object contains data about the folder and its contents.
<shevy> havenwood learns something new every day!
<axilla> that's what programing is all about!
<axilla> i love the fact i learn something new everyday
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<grn_> axilla: you can implement depth-first search and pass the app-specific code in a block
<axilla> interesting
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<havenwood> shevy: i have up to seven pixie objects and i want their dust distributed evenly. there are mini and micro pixie objects in the mix too. please help.
<havenwood> shevy: i need moar coffee!
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<axilla> that's no where near the question i asked, but ok
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<axilla> my question returned an answer that was helpful and exactly what I needed to see, so you seem to be the only one having an issue.
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<claf> I was wondering who stole my pixie object API from my quantum computae
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<havenwood> axilla: so was the answer file descriptors, a deeply nested hash, or using a block?
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<shevy> always keep things simple
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<havenwood> axilla: it's easier to understand complex data than complex logic. Since most everything in Ruby is an Object, it's incredibly vague to talk about Objects.
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<havenwood> axilla: Showing expected input and desired output is easy to understand.
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<havenwood> axilla: But if others understand, and you grok the answers, nevermind me! That works too. :)
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<bline79> how can I count from 00 to 9? When I do a=*(00..9) it removes the beginning 0 with p a
<bline79> sorry, 00-09
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<havenwood> >> [*'00'..'99']
<eval-in__> havenwood => ["00", "01", "02", "03", "04", "05", "06", "07", "08", "09", "10", "11", "12", "13", "14", "15", "16", "17", "18", "19", "20", "21", "22", "23", "24", "25", "26", "27", "28", "29", "30", "31", "32", "3 ... (https://eval.in/232227)
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<bline79> thank you havenwood
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<Linell_> Does anyone have experience with testing an API using minitest? I'm looking for some best practices and whatnot?
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<rpag> your own API?
<Linell_> Yeah
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<Linell_> Just making sure it's spitting out what it's supposed to
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<rpag> i use Minitest::Test for that, so test-unit style.
<rpag> apeiros, sirpeng is a spam bot
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<Hanmac> i also prefer the test-unit gem over minitest, but recently i found rspec nicely (so i tryed to use both in one of my projects)
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<rpag> Hanmac, i dont bother with the test-unit gem, but do class MyTest < Minitest::Test; def test_foo; end; end
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<elemenopy> just wanted to say thx everyone in channel. you guys have helped me so many times. that is all <3
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<Hanmac> rpag for one thing i needed stuff of the test-unit gem that mini test does have not ...
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<Linell_> rpag: So do you just have a bunch of stuff like this? https://gist.github.com/Linell/9876f30561b6e654fa9b I'm currently doing that with each "branch" of my endpoint set up in a different full of stuff like that
<rpag> what stuff?
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<havenwood> Linell_: already using Rack::Test?
<havenwood> Linell_: that's handy
<Hanmac> rpag: like when you have TestCase.setup is only called ones for each test_* function
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<rpag> Linell_, i think the array literal should be the first argument to assert_equal ? it goes, assert_equal expectation, actual.
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<rpag> otherwise looks fine
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<Linell_> havenwood: Yup!
<Linell_> rpag: Cool, thanks.
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<rpag> Linell_, would also choose a better method name
<rpag> but i guess thats just for the gist :)
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<Linell_> So, when you're testing the api, how do you deal with the fact that there might not be data returned sometimes? Do you mock out the data somehow?
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<rpag> is your API making HTTP calls?
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<Linell_> Yeah
<Linell_> But lets say I'm testing one that gets the events of a certain day. What if that day had no events?
<rpag> yeah, you usually would mock out HTTP calls because they can add a lot of time to your suite
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<rpag> id use webmock or something like that
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<rpag> you dont want your suite to randomly fail
<Linell_> Right, that's what I'm kinda running into now
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<rpag> check out webmock, there's a couple of libraries out there to handle it
<rpag> there's vcr too, which records a live request and mocks subsequent requests
<rpag> but i didnt like using vcr
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<Linell_> I think I may have misunderstood you, though. My tests are calling the HTTP endpoints of my api. But sometimes *my* api might not return any data. Which is valid sometimes for sure, but it seems like a test that just accepts not returning data as valid wouldn't be so useful
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<Linell_> So in theory I could just add stuff to the database, but I don't want the things I add to stay there forever, you know?
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<rpag> oh i see, yeah, misunderstood
<Linell_> I'm sure that question would've come up eventually anyway
<rpag> for that, you could create test data in the database, and clear it in a teardown method
<Linell_> Oh. Yeah, I was definitely over thinking that one. Thanks!
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<Fire-Dragon-DoL> are there any short way to call a class method from an instance method of the same class? I usually do self.class.method
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<jhass> that's the shortest way I know
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<centrx> Fire-Dragon-DoL, that is the way, you could also specify the class itself instead of self.class
<Fire-Dragon-DoL> mh no ok I prefer self.class
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<Fire-Dragon-DoL> is usually shorter considering how I name things :P
<jhass> self.class has the advantage of calling an override in a subclass too
<jhass> apeiros_: sirpeng is a spam bot
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<StevenXL> Hi, can someone help me understand why my very simple code doesn't work.
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<Hanmac> StevenXL: make a gist or pastie for us
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<StevenXL> Hanmac, http://pastebin.com/qzQrR424
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<StevenXL> Hanmac, I think what the script is supposed to do is pretty evident.
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<fdelacruz> question, does anybody still have 1.9.3 even after moving on to the latest 2.1.5??
<Hanmac> StevenXL: use || instead of OR, also checkout Enumerable
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<rpag> if doesn't accept 'do' at the end
<rpag> that'd be a syntax error
<waxjar> StevenXL: for is (almost) never used in ruby, we have niceties like 1000.times { ... } or 1.upto(1000)
<StevenXL> Hanmac, thanks.
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<StevenXL> waxjar, ok thanks. I need to get up to speed on the language.
<jhass> fdelacruz: what you mean by "have"?
<StevenXL> Any resources you'd recommend?
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<Hanmac> waxjar: do you know whats even more funny? that:
<Hanmac> >> for c in "abc".chars; p c; end
<eval-in__> Hanmac => "a" ... (https://eval.in/232253)
<Hanmac> and it also works with each_char too
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<fdelacruz> jhass have it installed for say, sentimental reasons :)
<jhass> mmh, I maintain the AUR package for it, not sure if that counts :P
<Hanmac> StevenXL: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/ specially checkout Enumerable, Array, Hash and String
<jhass> Hanmac: isn't that just a syntax rewrite to .each nowadays?
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<waxjar> yeah, seems like it jhass
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<Hanmac> jhass: yeah more or less, but i found it funny that for c in "abc".each_char works too
<StevenXL> great - thanks guys
<StevenXL> really appreciate the help
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<waxjar> Hanmac: Enumerators have an #each
<jhass> well, if it's a syntax rewrite, "abc".each_char.each do |c| is pretty valid
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<waxjar> i wonder why is hasn't been removed or at least deprecated yet
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<jhass> maybe for 3.0
<waxjar> i never see it used, and last time i benchmarked it's even slighly slower than #each
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<waxjar> *it was
<jhass> don't think they could really remove it earlier
<jhass> I do see it used occasionally
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<nanSTA> Hey all, I am trying to use Sequel. And I just cannot get it to load into my ruby program. I get cannot load such file -- sequel/model (LoadError). It seems to load the doc sequel.rb but then fails.
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<jhass> nanSTA: do you use bundler?
<nanSTA> jhass: no, i do not
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<jhass> nanSTA: what's the output of gem which sequel and gem which sequel/model
<nanSTA> jhass: /usr/local/lib/ruby/2.1.0/rubygems/core_ext/kernel_require.rb:55:in `require': cannot load such file -- sequel/model (LoadError)
<jhass> and the first one?
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<nanSTA> jhass: that is when i load sequel.rb which contains "require sequel/model"
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<jhass> please provide the output of both commands I gave
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<jhass> and I assume your real code has quotes around sequel/model
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<nanSTA> jhass: i didnt have the gem...jhass, can u help me understand why i needed to install the gem and why i need a libs folder as well? Sorry, im new to programming
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<jhass> you would expect require downloading and installing it for you?
<jhass> and not sure what you mean with "need a libs folder"
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<nanSTA> jhass: i have a dir in my program called "libs" where i have placed the git rep "sequel-master" to access the library. Would using 'bundler' make the process of installing my program and installing all required libs easier.
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<jhass> that's not required at all
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<nanSTA> okay, i see
<jhass> you just do gem install sequel
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<nanSTA> thank you jhass, youve cleared this up for me
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<rj46> hello, rbenv install x.y.z had ended with "The Ruby openssl extension was not compiled. Missing the OpenSSL lib", and the problem is after installation ~/.rbenv/version is empty, but when it was being installed There was ruby folder in versions folder, and with the end of installation it disappeared ;/ have you had something similar?;d
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<fdelacruz> rj46 which rbenv, brew or git install?
<rj46> fdelacruz: git install
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<fdelacruz> rj46 cool, do you have openssl installed?
<rj46> fdelacruz: I do, openssl is installed on this machine.
<fdelacruz> brew or system
<rj46> system
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<rj46> its fresh new rbenv
<rj46> and theres almost nothing yet
<rj46> i wanted to isntall ruby, and that what happend ;/
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<fdelacruz> rj46 let me know
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<rj46> fdelacruz: i will try this, thanks
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<fdelacruz> do you use brew??
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<rj46> fdelacruz: I dont, i dont even have brew
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<aarkerio> hi! I'm getting a weird behaviour, I'm running:
<aarkerio> over = total_views >= max_allowed_views('free')
<aarkerio> and I'm getting "false" when total_views = 14 and max_allowed_views('free') = 14
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<Alayde> When working with passing command line arguments into a method, is it frowned upon to just pass in the entire hash of arguments rather than just the ones your method will be using?
<jhass> aarkerio: how do you verify that they're 14?
<zenspider> aarkerio: you're obviously NOT getting what you think you're getting somewhere
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<claf> Alayde: perhaps you could illustrate this scenario?
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<aarkerio> jhass, Rails.logger.warn "######## Totalviews: #{total_views} MAX VIEWS #{max_views}"
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<aarkerio> Totalviews: 14, MAX VIEWS: 14
<aarkerio> in the log
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<Alayde> claf: Sure. Right now I'm just getting two strings from the user, one is a directory and the other is an environment. Then I'm building a fully qualified path for a file out of these two passed in arguments, inside of a method. If I were to add a third command line option, would it behoove me to change the fact that I'm passing in the entire hash and doing like: Dir = "#{options[:dir]}/#{options[:string]}"?
<Alayde> claf: I'm doing this more for a learning exercise than anything
<Obfuscate> aarkerio: Perhaps max_views != max_allowed_views('free')?
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<claf> that looks weird
<claf> but whatever float your boat
<claf> and on a second read
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<claf> it doesn't even look that weird
<jhass> aarkerio: that's not good as it's calling .to_s
<jhass> aarkerio: use #{x.inspect}
<Alayde> Alright, fair enough. I'll just keep moving forward with this methodology then. Thanks claf
<claf> Alayde: there is one 'But' in my book
<Alayde> claf: sup?
<claf> Alayde: input sanitization
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<Alayde> Ah, right. Yeah that will certainly be included
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<aarkerio> yeah, that could show a difference, thanks guys!!
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<claf> Alayde: not if you use argv strings to load a file
<claf> well, more like, "perhaps best not to"
<Alayde> claf: Ah, alright. What's the preferred method?
<claf> well since this was a learning exercise
<claf> Alayde: you pick the scenario
<claf> then again, to save time, it may be best to pick a scenario where only you can run from command line 8D
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<Alayde> claf: If that's the case, let's say the idea is to pass in file names to the script, have it read them in, parse them, and print json to STDOUT
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<claf> Alayde: so, can you think of exploit scenario for such
<rand0mbits> i got a shared hosting plan with ruby version 1.8.7. is that too old for rails development? i'm a ruby newb, so i don't know much about it.
<claf> rand0mbits: so, first check which is the latest 1.8
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<claf> rand0mbits: then you'd need to check with rails if they support
<claf> then decide
<rand0mbits> claf: ruby0lang.org says 2.1.5 is the latest
<rand0mbits> ruby-lang.org, that is
<claf> latest 2.1 yes
<claf> now read what I said again, and retry
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<rand0mbits> ha, ok. you mean which minor is the latest? dunno, the site says old stable is 1.9.3. how do i check which 1.8 is the latest, and how would that be helpful?
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<claf> for debian stable, 1.8.7.358
<claf> thats all I know
* claf raises ahnds
<rand0mbits> haha, ok. their rails version is Rails 2.3.18. how is that?
<centrx> That's also very old
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<pontiki> rand0mbits: i suggest you go ask in the #rubyonrails channel
<rand0mbits> i'll try that, thanks :)
<claf> #ruby-lang certainly knows about 1.8 and whether it is supported
<pontiki> 1.8.x is no longer supported by rails
<pontiki> and rails is up to 4.1.x
<pontiki> rails 2.3.18 is not officially supported either
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<claf> I can't tell if 1.8 has support...
<pontiki> it does not
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<claf> !rails
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<claf> ok, no mention of 1.8 here https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/projects
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<claf> Good work!
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<claf> Wow!
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