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<Papierkorb> ?rails
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<Papierkorb> Yzguy: ^
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<Yzguy> Woops!! I am on ruby and rubyonrails channels, I wasn't looking when I clicked :P
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<postmodern> totalcarb, then it sounds like your blocking on IO maybe?
<postmodern> totalcarb, or getting rate limited by something
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<BubonicPestilenc> o/
<BubonicPestilenc> are there "sign-ignoring" ".." or "*to" methods?
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<BubonicPestilenc> e.g. (0..-10).to_a
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<BubonicPestilenc> awful, but looks like i need to write "for" loop as while, to do "sign-ignoring counter"
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<matthewd> BubonicPestilenc: You should be able to construct a range that flips the begin/end values, I guess
<BubonicPestilenc> yeah, but i wanted to make script without if's
<BubonicPestilenc> & abs'es
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<BubonicPestilenc> like i have input options dx, dy
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<BubonicPestilenc> which sometimes can be negative
<matthewd> But the idea that a range goes low-to-high is pretty widely assumed.. I'd be looking at where it came from
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<BubonicPestilenc> first time in 10 years ruby usage
<BubonicPestilenc> i got it epic fail :D
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<nofxx> Any idea why 'puts' won't work where STDOUT.puts will?
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<eam> nofxx: sure. Can you tell me if $stdout == STDOUT?
<eam> also whether $stdout.fileno == 1
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<apeiros> nofxx: when puts is not Kernel#puts and/or $stdout is not STDOUT
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<eam> some kind of i/o dup-plicity
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<kang00> Hi is it possible to use ruby web Api on Any online or cloud web based ide or compiler?
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<baweaver> kang00 rephrase that a bit
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<kang00> Koding.com=Web based ide or compiler
<kang00> Programmableweb.com= covers list of Web apu
* baweaver debates being pedantic about the difference between = and ==
<kang00> I want to use any one Api from that list on koding/code anywhere baweaver
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<kang00> To see Api in action
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<baweaver> The question doesn't entirely make sense. So you want to use Ruby to interface with an API?
<baweaver> The question doesn't entirely make sense. So you want to use Ruby to interface with an API?
<baweaver> Any language can do that.
<baweaver> Any language can do that.
<kang00> I think Api is different for each language
<kang00> I think Api is different for each language
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<baweaver> What do you think API means?
<baweaver> What do you think API means?
<kang00> I want to try ruby to see api baweaver
<kang00> I want to try ruby to see api baweaver
<kang00> Api is software to software comm.
<kang00> Api is software to software comm.
<kang00> I am not a technical guy
<kang00> I am not a technical guy
<baweaver> Then download Ruby and try it out.
<baweaver> Then download Ruby and try it out.
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<kang00> I want to use it on online compiler or ide only
<kang00> I want to use it on online compiler or ide only
<baweaver> Normally to talk to an API you use an HTTP library of some sorts to make requests to it.
<baweaver> Normally to talk to an API you use an HTTP library of some sorts to make requests to it.
<kang00> Without downloading
<kang00> Without downloading
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<baweaver> What have you tried or searched for so far?
<baweaver> because there are several demos out there if you look
<kang00> My reading
<baweaver> What I would suggest is going through a book on Ruby cover to cover.
<kang00> 1. Programmable Web list only Web api
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<kang00> 2. There are low end api also. Like cpan; and some other libraries in each language
<baweaver> 1 is an API. 2 is a Package manager
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<kang00> 3. Each Web api consists of many libraries
<kang00> 4. Each library consists of many modules
<kang00> 5. I don't know where I can find those modules.
<baweaver> Let's start with Ruby then
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<baweaver> what do you know?
<kang00> 6.libraries are listed in programmable web
<kang00> 7. I'd
<kang00> 7. Is it required to download library?
<baweaver> APIs are listed there.
<nofxx> eam, sorry, and thanks.... no $stdout =! STDOUT... and fileno changes, and never 1... 15, 18.....
<kang00> I am only chatting with you now baweaver
<kang00> I don't know anything about syntax of Ruby
<baweaver> Then that would be a good place to start
<baweaver> Learn Ruby, find a book on it and read it from start to finish
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<kang00> I guess Ruby may be script or interpreter language
<baweaver> otherwise you won't really have the base
<baweaver> to build off of to do anything else
<baweaver> it is
<kang00> baweaver I can't devote so much time
<baweaver> it's going to take time
<kang00> As it requires months to get into any language
<kang00> I just want to see api in action
<kang00> This is my goal
<baweaver> that's debatable
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<kang00> Where is demo you are talking about?
<baweaver> an experienced programmer can be up and going in a new language in a matter of a week for rudimentary tasks
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<baweaver> learn Ruby first.
<kang00> My goal is not to become a programmer
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<baweaver> You cannot hope to build something without rudimentary knowledge.
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<baweaver> and you need that in at least one language
<baweaver> you may not want to be a programmer, but if you want to interface with an API you are going to need to know more than how to copy and paste
<baweaver> without that knowledge of at least one language, the questions you ask are going to be worded poorly and will result in equally poor answers
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<Dev51328> Is anyone alive on here? I was wondering how ruby stacks up with Perl in terms of text handling. Thoughts anyone?
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<baweaver> Define alive
<baweaver> &ri String
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<baweaver> honestly though you'd be hard pressed to find things one turing complete language can do that another cannot
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<agent_white> Dev51328: Why compare tools on the belt. Use the one that works best.
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<allemania00> hello everyone... let's say from irb i see a method i can apply to a specific object, for example myObject.inspect or myObject.split etc... is there a way to find documentation about these methods right in irb ?
<matthewd> allemania00: I think pry can do that
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<allemania00> matthewd, sorry whow do i use pry ? and is it built in or i should install it separately ?
<matthewd> It's a gem, which you can use instead of irb
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<alfiemax> matthewd, pry gives documentation about the methods?
<alfiemax> it can list them, but then again you can use obj.methods and pretty print the output
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<dminuoso> alxndr_, alfiemax: pry/pry-doc
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<dminuoso> It at least provides access to the MRI documentation.
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<dminuoso> allemania00: Also refer to this article: https://github.com/pry/pry/wiki/Documentation-browsing
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<whitequark> apeiros: yo
<whitequark> apeiros: yo
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<amincd> Hi, is there a '.' operator in Ruby?
<amincd> Hi, is there a '.' operator in Ruby?
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<ropeney> what would it do?
<ropeney> what would it do?
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<amincd> ropeney: concatenate? I'm guessing this "outParam = inParam . inoutParam" in: http://www.tutorialspoint.com/ruby/ruby_web_services.htm is a typo, but I want to be sure
<amincd> ropeney: concatenate? I'm guessing this "outParam = inParam . inoutParam" in: http://www.tutorialspoint.com/ruby/ruby_web_services.htm is a typo, but I want to be sure
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<ropeney> amincd, never seen it and can't get it to work in IRB. Might be worth testing if you're using that library
<ropeney> amincd, never seen it and can't get it to work in IRB. Might be worth testing if you're using that library
<amincd> ropeney: ok thanks
<amincd> ropeney: ok thanks
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<matthewd> It's not technically a syntax error, but in context, yeah that's just wrong
<matthewd> It's not technically a syntax error, but in context, yeah that's just wrong
<matthewd> `foo . bar` is no different from `foo.bar`
<matthewd> `foo . bar` is no different from `foo.bar`
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<ropeney> but would it work like that being a paramater?
<ropeney> but would it work like that being a paramater?
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<matthewd> It would call the #inoutParam method on whatever was passed as inParam (completely unrelated to the inoutParam parameter)
<matthewd> It would call the #inoutParam method on whatever was passed as inParam (completely unrelated to the inoutParam parameter)
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<ropeney> ok makes sense, so just stupid then
<ropeney> ok makes sense, so just stupid then
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<ddffg> может лучше пандоку проердить?
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<abhinav> hi
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<abhinav> i am wrting a ruby script to compare two json outputs. how can i make it print in tabular form easily?
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<zacts> hi ruby nerds
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<bovis> I've marked between comments the two ways it appears I can complete this one section of code. I don't understand why the latter version works. What am I representing |between pipes|? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/ba7282377016e17c9a774ca32d39e918
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<elomatreb> bovis: The thing between the pipes is an argument passed to the block. For the function (sorty_by) see: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.3.1/Enumerable.html#method-i-sort_by
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<bovis> elomatreb: I'm looking at that and still coming out confused. In my example, I use "word" as my argument, which stands for all the elements in the hash. Right? Then I sort it with .sort. Easy enough.
<bovis> elomatreb: In that case,
<bovis> "word" could be anything I put in there.
<elomatreb> You could call the argument anything, yeah
<bovis> So why does |word, cound
<bovis> |word, count| do the same thing? I'm using two arguments?
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<elomatreb> Ah. "frequencies" is a Hash, a collection of keys and values
<elomatreb> If you use one argument, you get a array of two elements, the key and the value. If you use two, you get the key and the value as two variables
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<elomatreb> Thus, your code in line 13-15 probably doesn't sort anything, as it thinks all your elements have a sort value of 2
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<bovis> elomatreb: I see the difference in output now.
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<bovis> elomatreb: It appears I can also just as easily replace |word, count| with |x, y| and then on the next line just type y. It still sorts by count.
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<elomatreb> Yes, as your "count" is the value of the key-value pair
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<bovis> So all it's really doing is first sorting the key by alphanumeric and then the value as alphanumeric
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<elomatreb> Your block given to sort_by gets called for each element (key-value pair) in your Hash, in the order they are in the Hash (Hashes are ordered in Ruby)
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<elomatreb> It then returns a new Hash sorted by the return value of the given block
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<elomatreb> (Keep in mind that Ruby has implicit returns, the last evaluated expression in the block is returned)
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<bovis> elomatreb: I think I'm still confused, but not sure what about.
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<bovis> elomatreb: On my line 20, when I call "count", what exactly am I doing with that? It works the same way if I use |x, y| and say y on line 20. I don't know what it's doing.
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<elomatreb> bovis: Blocks (the thing between do and end) are basically anonymous functions, with the thing between the pipes being arguments to that function
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<elomatreb> count on line 20 is a local variable
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<elomatreb> Maybe this helps a little: https://eval.in/630116
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<bovis> elomatreb: Your line 9 and 17, key_and_value[1] and value, print nothing to screen. What do they do?
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<elomatreb> They return. Ruby blocks (and everything else) always has to return a value, so by default it will return the last evaluated expression
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<bovis> elomatreb: Where is that return used? Nowhere yet?
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<elomatreb> It is used internally by the sort_by method, as the value it will then sort the elements by
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<bovis> elomatreb: Shouldn't your second sort_by have sorted the elements numerically by the value?
<elomatreb> It does, it just immediately discards the sorted Hash
<elomatreb> Because I don't assign it anywhere
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<bovis> elomatreb: I think I see that now: https://eval.in/630135
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<elomatreb> If you'd like to play around with this (very helpful), maybe try using "irb" or "pry"
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<bovis> elomatreb: I tried several iterations in the eval.io, and that helped a lot. Is there a way to type multiple lines in irb before it evaluates?
<elomatreb> You can separate them with semicolons, but you'll only the result of the last one
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<bovis> elomatreb: Thanks for your help and putting up with my denseness. Much appreciated.
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<elomatreb> bovis: No problem
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<oswamano> hello
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<herdawyn> Hi does anyone know if rubymonk.com will be fixed some day ?
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<nofxx> Is there any gem for rating (imdb a like) algorithm?
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<domgetter> nofxx: https://github.com/wazery/ratyrate "...provides optional IMDB style rating."
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<nofxx> but thank you
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<kinduff> Hey guys and gals, I'm developing a gem where I retrieve data from a service. I have other services to for example post to Slack, post to Google Sheets, these services are just receiving what to post, but not parsing the data coming from the data retrieval service. My question is, these services are inside lib/my-gem/services/**, each one with its class. I need to add a parser for the data coming from the data retrieval service. Should I add this
<kinduff> on each service so they parse the data the way they need it, or should I create a separated service with methods to convert this data for each supported service?
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<kinduff> More like a good practice/good design question.
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<Papierkorb> kinduff: I'd have the receiving code transform the stuff into some "well-known" processable form. Could be a Struct with :title, :author, ... fields. The sending code takes this Struct and transforms it into something that's specific to what it really needs.
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<Papierkorb> kinduff: Garbage In -> Receiving code(-> Transform) -> DTO -> Sending code(Transforms) -> Garbage Out
<kinduff> A lot clearer, makes sense now. Thank you Papierkorb.
<Papierkorb> cheers
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<miqlas-H> Hi Guys!
<miqlas-H> I had plenty problems some months ago to get jekyll run on Haiku. Yesterday i just installed, no magic required. Thank you.
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<playstation3> how can I make open(url) ignore SSL ?
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<jazzonmym11nd> playstation3: it's not usually a good idea to do that, better to fix the root cause
<playstation3> why isn't it a good idea? I just want to scrape the website for data(not send my credentials)
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<jazzonmym11nd> becos you make yourself vulnerable to mitm attacks by not verifying a cert.
<jazzonmym11nd> if you insist then i think you have to drop down to net/http.
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<jazzonmym11nd> Net::HTTP.new("www.google.com") { |http| http.use_ssl = true; http.verify_mode = OpenSSL::SSL::VERIFY_NONE } - something like that.
<playstation3> ok thanks
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<playstation3> but MITM attacks are only important when I'm having sensitive information transacted no? Or I'm retrieving sensative data. none of which are true in my case.
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<jazzonmym11nd> i don't think you ever want to accomodate mitm attacks, as a general rule, if you don't care then you can just not verify the cert.
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<playstation3> ok
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<jazzonmym11nd> you could fix the root cause as well, which probably suggests something is wrong with your SSL setup.
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<zenspider> rawr
<zenspider> playstation3: assuming it's allowed on the serving side, just use regular http instead of https.
<zenspider> don't mentarbate about MITM if it doesn't matter for your task
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<plungo_socio> Hello
<NetSage> hi
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<plungo_socio> I know this is noob question but I'm looking to learn ruby on rails for free. Do you know where I can learn that ?
<Papierkorb> plungo_socio: ?rails
<Papierkorb> ?rails
<ruby[bot]> Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP
<plungo_socio> Yes ruby on rails
<Papierkorb> plungo_socio: Also, http://guides.rubyonrails.org/
<plungo_socio> @Paierkorn thank you ^^
<plungo_socio> @Paperkorb thank you ><
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<Papierkorb> May the TAB auto-completion be with you
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<plungo_socio> Oh yes ^^, it's a long time, I didn't use IRC.
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<plungo_socio> Papierkorb: It's working nicely
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<soulisson> Hi, when using Thread.start, is it preferable to pass to the method, the references of the objects we're going to use in the thread
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<soulisson_> sorry disconnection issue
<Papierkorb> soulisson_: What do you mean?
<soulisson_> Papierkorb, like Thread.start(var_1, var_2) { var_1.method; var_2.method } instead of Thread.start { var_1.method; var_2.method }
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<soulisson_> In this example, var_1, var_2 are defined before the call to Thread.start
<Papierkorb> soulisson_: As long you're using local variables (or argument values), and you're not doing concurrent access on those from somewhere else, both are fine
<Papierkorb> soulisson_: @instance variables can be used too, but it's easier to mess up on the long run
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<soulisson_> ok
<soulisson_> So the variables in the main object are available in the threads as well?
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<soulisson_> Papierkorb, ?
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<Papierkorb> soulisson_: As far the block is concerned you pass to Thread.new, it runs in the same scope the calling method runs in
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<soulisson_> Papierkorb, ok, thank you very much
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<wildleaf> if i have h = { :name = "Foo Bar" } how can I split the symbol :name into "Foo" and "Bar" separately?
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<Mon_Ouie> I assume you mean h = {:name => "Foo Bar"}, correct?
<Mon_Ouie> See String#split to split a string into words
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<wildleaf> thanks
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