#ruby on 2016-08-30 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2016-08-15 18:25 baweaver changed the topic of #ruby to: Rules & more: https://ruby-community.com || Ruby 2.3.1; 2.2.5; 2.1.10: https://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on https://gist.github.com || logs @ https://irclog.whitequark.org/ruby/

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00:00 <tax> i'm uneasy about ditching perl for ruby

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00:06 <matthewd> tax: I suspect perl would make a better perl

00:06 <snguyen> tax: usually people have inlining gems for languages like C, C++ for performance tuning. personally, i'd feel uneasy about mixing two languages in a source file without a real justification.

00:06 <matthewd> tax: or: why do you want to ditch perl for ruby in the first place?

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00:12 <tax> perl is older. it's unpopular because its messy and idiomatic. job prospects and politics of the languages survival and maintenance -is not everything- but its something that i have to consider. and ruby has oop. perl does too sort of..

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00:14 <matthewd> Very reasonable reasons... but I'm not sure how they would reconcile with ditching perl for perl-in-a-ruby-wrapper

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00:17 <meatchicken> ^lol

00:17 <meatchicken> I like how tax didn't answer your question at all matthewd

00:18 <drbrain> tax: https://github.com/zephirworks/ruby-perl

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00:19 <baweaver> I would avoid coupling things like that though

00:19 <baweaver> instead try and factor pieces out of perl into Ruby and have ruby call the perl scripts as separate entities.

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00:23 <baweaver> As long as it's not just one huge perl script you can switch out most of the files

00:23 <baweaver> or hire a consultant to deal with all the mess

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00:27 <tax> i look on indeed for "perl developer" jobs. in my city i find 2. in nyc i find 5. but they are senior.

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00:28 <tax> but then again there are less people who know perl.

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00:29 <tax> but overall i think perl is the opposite of the clean code that makes python so attractive.

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00:34 <meatchicken> are you okay in the head? you're going off-topic a lot

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00:34 <meatchicken> and not responding appropriately to the people answering your questions

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00:35 <baweaver> meatchicken: be nice.

00:36 <meatchicken> baweaver, I am being nice. Why don't you be nice?

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00:36 <meatchicken> It was an appropriate assertion given the circumstances

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00:37 <baweaver> I'm not having that argument. It was out of line to ask if they're okay in the head

00:37 <matthewd> meatchicken: I was perfectly happy with the answer to my question

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00:42 <ruby_newbie> [/^[^aeiou]+/] what is the word ruby method for this?

00:42 <ruby_newbie> I'm not understanding this regex at all :(

00:42 <baweaver> could be several

00:42 <baweaver> since it's in array brackets

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00:43 <baweaver> >> 'string'[/str/] # Normally that'd be used as

00:43 <ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => "str" (https://eval.in/631241)

00:43 <baweaver> but in that case it's a string that starts with any character that's not a vowel repeated one or more times.

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00:44 <matthewd> ruby_newbie: So it's calling String#[] -- the '[]' method on String

00:44 <ruby_newbie> I see that "school"[/^[^aeiou]+/] returns "sch"

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00:44 <baweaver> rubular would help test things out on that

00:44 <ruby_newbie> how would I get "sch" without regex?

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00:44 <baweaver> >> "school"[0..2]

00:44 <ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => "sch" (https://eval.in/631242)

00:45 <baweaver> &ri String#[]

00:45 <`derpy> http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.3.1/String.html#method-i-5B-5D

00:45 <ruby_newbie> sorry, that also takes vowels into consideration

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00:45 <ruby_newbie> "banana" would be "b"

00:45 <matthewd> A regex is really the right tool for "the characters up to the first vowel"

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00:45 <baweaver> otherwise you end up with your own psuedo regex

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00:46 <ruby_newbie> ohh I see

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01:22 <arooni> hey folks; getting ERROR: Failed to build gem native extension. ;; on ubuntu 16.04 trying to run gem install json -v 1.8.0

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01:50 <freedrull> i get an EOF error for this http request, but only on production running ruby 2.3.0. i'm running 2.3.1 in development and I don't get the EOF error, i see something about a net/http EOF bug being fixed in the 2.3.1 changelog hmm.... http://svn.ruby-lang.org/repos/ruby/tags/v2_3_1/ChangeLog

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02:57 <ruby_> hi all: which is better when you need to require something in nested modules? Do these accomplish the same thing? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/601a9c08b95e6a22918dacfdf0567d87

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03:03 <matthewd> ruby_: You should generally do the second, but no, there's no difference between them.

03:03 <ruby_> matthewd: thanks!

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03:39 <nchambers> hiya! does ruby have any nice URL handling libs?

03:39 <nchambers> or rather

03:40 <nchambers> a library that parses a URL and breaks it up into sections?

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03:49 <adam12> nchambers: URI

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03:49 <nchambers> adam12, thanks. just found that

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06:06 <jphase> for some reason on a new rails project (Rails 3.2.22 and Ruby 2.1.8p440) after running: rails generate controller Login index and adding: root 'login#index' to my routes (http://paste.ubuntu.com/23110535/) I get the following errors: http://paste.ubuntu.com/23110536/. I'm trying to follow the getting started guide but as soon as I add my root line in the routes and restart the server it fails. What am I missing?

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06:07 <dminuoso> ?rails jphase

06:07 <ruby[bot]> jphase: Please join #RubyOnRails for Rails questions. You need to be identified with NickServ, see /msg NickServ HELP

06:07 <jphase> whoops, thanks dminuoso :)

06:07 <dminuoso> See you there. :)

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07:12 <nchambers> do ruby heredocs remove single quotes?

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07:24 <oddmunds> nchambers: no

07:24 <nchambers> hmmm im not sure what is then

07:25 <nchambers> ill have to see if I can get a testcase

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09:43 <rgtk> Rubydoc states that Queue#pop blocks untill there are pending objects. Unfortunately when queue is empty, it raises exception "No live threads left. Deadlock?". I am completly bewildered by this.

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09:44 <jhass> rgtk: it's not Queue#pop that does this but the Ruby runtime that detects that all threads are blocked

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09:45 <jhass> your Queue#pop call is just blocking the last thread you had left

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09:48 <rgtk> Queue#pop is called in main thread, new objects are added from thread pool since work is mainly IO. I guess there is not way aroundsleeping? in main loop?

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09:49 <jhass> it means your thread pool is not running/dead/blocked in a way that a wakeup is not possible anymore

09:49 <jhass> make sure to Thread.abort_on_exception = true so you notice them dying

09:51 <rgtk> $DEBUG is set to true which should print out everything. I am using meh's ruby-thread library which works pretty fine. Pool is working fince since it processes new task as I add them.

09:52 <Burgestrand> rgtk could you supply a failing example?

09:53 <dminuoso> jhass: I wonder, would the runtime also assume a deadlock if your main thread was blocking on Queue#pop while some other thread was blocking on I/O?

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09:53 <Burgestrand> dminuoso nope, works just fine

09:53 <jhass> dminuoso: I never verified what the check exactly is, but that would be terrible

09:54 <Burgestrand> https://eval.in/631467

09:54 <jhass> so I trust it's not the case

09:54 <Burgestrand> (eval.in not so happy about reading from stdin though)

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09:54 <jhass> rgtk: $DEBUG is kinda weird, try my suggestion anyway

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09:55 <dminuoso> rgtk: Can you gist your code? I think it would be easier looking at your code, than guess working what could be wrong.

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09:57 <rgtk> Preparing it right now. Trying to remove unnecessary code in order to ease pain for you.

09:57 <rgtk> jhass: Still the same unfortunately.

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09:57 <jhass> mh

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09:59 <rgtk> Is it OK for you to use this simple library in gist: https://github.com/meh/ruby-thread ?

09:59 * dminuoso slaps rgtk with a big tab key

09:59 <dminuoso> The thing Im poking in your eye with, stop using it.

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10:00 <Burgestrand> Friendly!

10:00 <rgtk> Hey, why was that for? Is this library that bad?

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10:00 <ruby[bot]> Ruby community standards recommend using 2 spaces as indentation (see https://github.com/bbatsov/ruby-style-guide#spaces-indentation and https://ukupat.github.io/tabs-or-spaces/).

10:00 <dminuoso> ?tabs

10:00 <dminuoso> rgtk: ^-

10:01 <rgtk> Well, yeah. Tabs. I am using spaces myself. Meh is using tabs

10:01 <Burgestrand> rgtk try with the library, that's fine, if it helps keeping the example small

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10:01 <dminuoso> rgtk: Just do a ninja pull request and hope he doesn't notice.

10:01 <Burgestrand> (keep in mind the library itself could be the thing causing your issues)

10:02 <dminuoso> rgtk: at any rate, gist your code.

10:02 <dminuoso> rgtk: Its fine.

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10:06 <ytti> is there way around this:

10:06 <ytti> [1] pry(main)> "a:b:::".split(":")[2]

10:06 <ytti> [2] pry(main)> "a:b::d:".split(":")[2]

10:06 <ytti> => nil

10:06 <ytti> => ""

10:07 <ytti> i'd like both instances to return 'nil'

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10:07 <Burgestrand> >> "a:b:::".split(":", 2)

10:07 <ruby[bot]> Burgestrand: # => ["a", "b:::"] (https://eval.in/631472)

10:07 <Burgestrand> >> "a:b::d:".split(":", 2)

10:07 <ruby[bot]> Burgestrand: # => ["a", "b::d:"] (https://eval.in/631473)

10:07 <Burgestrand> ytti ^

10:07 <ytti> Burgestrand, then i can't capture the the [3]

10:07 <ytti> Burgestrand, i just want 'missing' to be nil, not empty

10:07 <Burgestrand> ytti that's not in your specification

10:08 <Burgestrand> ytti :)

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10:09 <rgtk> http://pastebin.com/8UArk1p5

10:09 <ruby[bot]> rgtk: we in #ruby do not like pastebin.com, I reposted your paste to gist for you: https://gist.github.com/13e87219a97ecbb0bb6b78d56575f8a8

10:09 <ruby[bot]> rgtk: pastebin.com loads slowly for most, has ads which are distracting and has terrible formatting.

10:09 <rgtk> I am sorry it took so long. I tried to keep it as simple as possible.

10:09 <rgtk> You are so brave @ruby[bot], thank you!

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10:10 <rgtk> This code fail with deadlock warning.

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10:11 <rgtk> Sorry for typos in comments. I tried to deliverit as fast as possible.

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10:12 <Burgestrand> rgtk in this particular example, sure while do have one job, when that job is performed you have nothing else that will ever wake up to save queue.pop from the eternal wait.

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10:12 <Burgestrand> rgtk and yes, you do have a thread pool, but it's completely idle so it can never wake up your machine, no?

10:14 <Burgestrand> rgtk hm, I see the recursivenessish of this, I'll trace some more, but that's my initial thought at least. :)

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10:16 <Burgestrand> rgtk aye, indeed, I'm not sure why you have Job in the gist, it's not being used?

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10:17 <rgtk> Well. You are right. I wanted to used it but it turned out that simple Machine.process also cause deadlock.

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10:19 <inchw0rm> Hello there, I can't seem to download any ruby gems from my computer at work, and the website seems to be down, can anyone confirm this?

10:19 <rgtk> And boom. You are right. I created another thread with loop that is adding new object every 1 sec and it's working!

10:19 <Burgestrand> rgtk Ruby can be scary smart at times!

10:20 <rgtk> That was stupid.

10:20 <ghr> inchw0rm http://isup.me/rubygems.org

10:20 <inchw0rm> ghr, thank you

10:20 <ghr> works for me

10:20 <rgtk> Well, I don't feed confident right now :D

10:20 <rgtk> s/feed/feel

10:20 <ghr> office firewall maybe?

10:20 <inchw0rm> ghr, yup, most probably

10:20 <ghr> doh :(

10:21 <rgtk> Burgestrand: Can you tell me where did you see "recursivenessish of this"?

10:22 <Burgestrand> rgtk it's not recursive, I just didn't realize at first that the blocks are put into a queue before the thread pool has started, and then moved from the queue into the actual thread pool.

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10:23 <rgtk> I want to create long living process that from time to time pools jobs from external sources.

10:23 <Burgestrand> rgtk I assume you know `||=` is not thread-safe, and as such if two threads call `Machine.process` you could end up with two queues, and subsequently one job getting lost? (well, we're in MRI so the rules of concurrency are kind of wonky)

10:24 <dminuoso> I feel silly. I have a server where chruby is installed, its loaded in my /etc/profile.d/foo.sh - but I cannot figure out where chruby sets the default ruby.

10:24 * dminuoso scratches his head

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10:24 <Burgestrand> rgtk once somebody's called Machine.queue once it's all fine, but before the @queue has been assigned fully you're in risky land. You *could* assign it in the body of Machine, i.e. `@queue = Queue.new`, outside of having a method, and just do `class << self; attr_accessor :queue; end`.

10:25 <darix> wow it took me a while you arent discussing about some ruby gtk bindings

10:25 <ytti> Burgestrand,

10:25 <ytti> [3] pry(main)> "a:b:::".split(":", -1)[2]

10:25 <ytti> [4] pry(main)> "a:b:::".split(":")[2]

10:25 <ytti> => ""

10:25 <ytti> => nil

10:25 <Burgestrand> rgtk https://eval.in/631477

10:26 <ytti> Burgestrand, so at least with -1 it is connsistent

10:26 <ytti> Burgestrand, does not depend if or not there are other fields defined later

10:26 <rgtk> That what I tried to do putting it inside method but I didn't took that into consideration.

10:26 <ytti> Burgestrand, but it's other way around, i'd want all missing fields to nil :)

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10:27 <Burgestrand> ytti I didn't know split could take -1, that's cool. I still must say I don't understand what you're talking about though!

10:28 <rgtk> Burgestrand: I thank you very greatly for your help.

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10:30 <Burgestrand> rgtk you're welcome! Feel more confident, everybody makes mistakes. :)

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10:39 <ytti> Burgestrand, with -1 ruby behaves like python

10:39 <ytti> Burgestrand, without -1 ruby tries to find _minimum_ amount of fields

10:39 <ytti> Burgestrand, and if there are no fields until the end, then those fields don't count

10:39 <ytti> Burgestrand, which is quite surprising behaviour, imho

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12:57 <freedrull> why didn't this exception message come with a stacktrace? i want my money back

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12:58 <dminuoso> freedrull: Every exception has a related stack trace.

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12:59 <dminuoso> Well technically that's not necessarily true, but I have yet to see an Exception thrown that overrides #backtrace

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13:03 <freedrull> in the console i just see EOFError: end of file reached

13:03 <freedrull> and nothing else.....

13:03 <freedrull> seems strange

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13:04 <freedrull> could i like rescue EOFError => e puts e.backtrace or something ?

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13:05 <freedrull> ill try it

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13:25 <freedrull> looks like the backtrace is empty...strange https://gist.github.com/mcfiredrill/77062f5f3f74d992d19c7e5e6254e507

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13:31 <jhass> freedrull: indeed, is e.cause empty too?

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13:44 <jazzpi> how can i get the system timezone like in "Europe/Berlin"

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13:45 <ngw> hi *

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13:50 <agent_white> Mornin'

13:51 <Burgestrand> moin'!

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13:56 <jhass> jazzpi: Time.now.zone for the identifier, dig into TZInfo (require "tzinfo") if you need the country based identifier for that

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13:57 <jazzpi> yeah i need the country based one... think i'll just look at /etc/localtime

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14:30 <pagios> hello, can you have buffer overflow in modern programming languages like ruby/javascript etc?

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14:34 <Burgestrand> pagios Yes, and no. The kind of buffer overflow you're most likely referring to should ideally only happen if there's a bug in the interpreter, however (when it comes to Ruby).

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14:34 <jhass> pagios: not really. I'd argue for C extensions it's not written in Ruby, just for Ruby and when messing with low level things via FFI you're not using the language but that library which in turn might allow them

14:34 <Burgestrand> pagios Then again, there are fixed-width data types.

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14:35 <jhass> pagios: but I'm not sure it's an all that useful consideration, what makes you ask?

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14:39 <Burgestrand> Ah, C extensions, I didn't think of them even though they're probably the most glaring once. Nice one. :)

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14:46 <pagios> so buffer overflows usually happen in c/c++/java programming languages?

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14:47 <jhass> huh, Java has buffer overflows?

14:47 <pagios> just asking, what programming languages mainly c/cc+?

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14:47 <jhass> do you even know what a buffer overflow is?

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14:49 <pagios> kind of

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14:49 <jhass> what exactly are you worried of?

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14:50 <pagios> just wana understand them more and simulate them

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14:51 <jhass> well, do you know what the goal is when abusing a buffer overflow, what the danger is?

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14:52 <jhass> or let's say the top three

14:52 <pagios> yea executing code that is at root level

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14:52 <jhass> I mean less vague, how would a buffer overflow allow an attacker to execute code, what happens

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14:53 <jhass> also what's "code" in this context

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14:53 <pagios> the buffer is overpassed, the excess part is filled with a pointer that points the stack to a memory address where malicious code is executed?

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14:54 <jhass> okay, sort of, does Ruby have pointers? or java? or javascript?

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14:55 <pagios> no

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14:55 <jhass> or do any of those even use the OS provided stack?

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14:55 <jhass> for running your code that is

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15:06 <ngw> I want to document my library, and use Doctests as much as possible

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15:06 <ngw> but the main library make http calls and I don't want to

15:06 <ngw> is there still a way to use doctests or not?

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15:13 <ngw> shit, wrong chan, sorry guys

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15:59 <brahman> Hi, am having a weird dependency issue whilst installing the aws-sdk gem. The version I am trying to install is version 1.34.0, the gem install command fails with a dependency warning but that dependency is not valid for the version I am trying to install. It seems it thinks I am installing the latest version which does have that depdency. Any ideas? Are dependencies stored in cache that I can clear?

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17:15 <jakkn> rake question: I have a task that adds extension ".foo" to each element of a filelist FILES like so task :foo => [FILES.inject(FILES.class.new) {|res, fn| res << fn + ".foo" }] I wanted to modify the file paths and added some string manipulation to the part after <<, but this gives me type error implicit conversion of nil to string. I can't figure out what's going on here. What is nil here? And what can I read to understand this?

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17:20 <xpitr> jakkn FILES.map{|i| "#{i}.foo" } wouldn't work?

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17:20 <matthewd> jakkn: So you want help understanding what's wrong in your code, which is like the above, only you've changed and introduced an error? :/

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17:35 <jakkn> if anybody has any pointers to what might be wrong I would really appreciate that

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17:38 <matthewd> jakkn: We need to see the code you're actually getting the error with

17:38 <matthewd> jakkn: Unless I misread, that's not what you showed above

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17:39 <hanmac> jakkn: inject is wrong at this place, use map like matthewd said. also your inject did miss the default parameter you need for such thing

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17:40 <matthewd> (using map wasn't my suggestion, and the inject looks fine - if pointlessly awkward - to me)

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17:42 <hanmac> oh i see it does have a default parameter, but does sill look wrong for me

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17:42 <dminuoso> jakkn: also the next time you get an error, please show us the full stack trace. It always indicates exactly which method invocation is giving you trouble.

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17:44 <jakkn> Ah, I will. Just didn't want to pollute the chat room with a long stack trace

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17:45 <matthewd> jakkn: Gist.

17:45 <baweaver> ?gist

17:45 <ruby[bot]> https://gist.github.com - Multiple files, syntax highlighting, even automatically with matching filenames, can be edited

17:45 <jakkn> so yeah, please tell me what's wrong, awkward or bad practice. I'm learning as I go here.

17:45 <jakkn> smooth

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17:46 <dminuoso> jakkn: Also, best practice is not to do complex one liners, even if you are experienced.

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17:46 <dminuoso> jakkn: They just reduce readability. Even if you understand what the code does right now, an hour from now you probably don't anymore.

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17:47 <baweaver> hehe, reduce

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17:47 <dminuoso> Heh.

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17:48 <dminuoso> jakkn: Incidentally, if you split this into lines - you can suddenly debug this easily (either interactively with irb/pry or just puts/inspect). :)

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17:48 <dminuoso> Or perhaps even recognize mistakes yourself.

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17:50 <jakkn> I did try that, including debugging with byebug, but I believe I'm missing something basic.

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17:50 <jakkn> stack trace: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/750c79ce1af9cf749c64a114b582a33d

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17:52 <dminuoso> jakkn: please edit the gist and attach another file (make sure you give the filename the .rb extension for highlighting) containing the related ruby code. Please correlate the line number 261 for us in that gist.

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17:52 <dminuoso> wait..

17:52 <jakkn> will do

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17:52 <matthewd> I'm far more interested in the line from the rakefile, which still hasn't been shown

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17:53 <jakkn> yeah, sorry

17:53 <dminuoso> Indeed.

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17:55 <jakkn> can't edit the other one cause wasn't logged in

17:56 <jakkn> but here's the rakefile

17:56 <jakkn> https://gist.github.com/jakkn/b6882da54506af754ea4d46512fb049c

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18:02 <jakkn> The intention is to transform all gff files to yml.

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18:03 <jakkn> the gff files have a range of different file extensions

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18:04 <jakkn> so I want the yml files to be sorted into folders corresponding to original file extension, and then have the added extension of .yml

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18:04 <jakkn> if that makes sense

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18:12 <jakkn> did I miss anything?

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18:12 <soLucien> is there any ruby gem that can 1) download a file from a URL into a temp/cache dir 2) keep track on whether it is present and not download it again ?

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18:14 <havenwood> soLucien: You can do that with the stdlib or there are a variety of http client gems as well!

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18:15 <dfockler> soLucien: https://www.ruby-toolbox.com/categories/http_clients

18:15 <toretore> File.write(filename, Net::HTTP.get(url)) unless File.exist?(filename)

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18:17 <dfockler> Is there a reason no one uses Net::HTTP, is it just API ergonomics? I always automatically use another HTTP client

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18:17 <dfockler> I'm sure some people use it

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18:19 <soLucien> i'm not looking to build my own thing, just asking whether there's something out there that does that

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18:19 <dfockler> It's literally the one line toretore wrote

18:19 <toretore> and we're saying that using a gem for such a simple thing is stupid

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18:20 <soLucien> okay , i missed toretore's line

18:20 <soLucien> thanks

18:20 <dminuoso> toretore: of course reality is a bit different. you might want to store partial downloads and implement resume functionality..

18:20 <dminuoso> suddenly its not a one liner anymore. :P

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18:20 <toretore> yes but it's still the better way to go

18:20 <dminuoso> If thats all he needs, yeah

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18:21 <toretore> a gem most likely exists that looks like it does this on the surface, but as soon as the requirements change slightly it'll only cause trouble

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18:21 <dminuoso> And if not, I would simply use wget. :)

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18:23 <toretore> except if by the grace of azor ahai the author actually wrote something that didn't make a bunch of assumptions and was flexible enough to override the parts that didn't fit

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18:26 <havenwood> soLucien: https://github.com/httprb/http or https://github.com/typhoeus/typhoeus are two of the many options if you want to look at streaming or other features made easy to use

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18:27 <soLucien> would it work for SMB paths as well (UNC)

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18:28 <soLucien> i have this written in powershell : https://gist.github.com/s0lucien/eab32e4fc72dee414eecb163ff08540c

18:28 <toretore> ruby doesn't know what is smb and not

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18:29 <soLucien> okay .. if i say : i want file \\some-machine\share\file into /tmp/cache/file

18:29 <kenichi> i'm pretty sure smb isn't http but it's been awhile

18:29 <soLucien> would Ruby know how to fetch from the \\ path ?

18:29 <kenichi> windows has bash now so what do i know

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18:30 <toretore> oh you mean getting the file over smb

18:30 <toretore> well, yeah, it's not http

18:30 <soLucien> what i mean is i would like to be able to use both http:// and \\ paths ..

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18:30 <kenichi> two totally different things

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18:31 <soLucien> yes they are .. the thing i posted did it for PowerShell

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18:31 <soLucien> since this is a Vagrant Ruby plugin, i want to do it in Ruby

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18:31 <soLucien> and it would be really nice if there were a gem for that

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18:32 <soLucien> something that would (for example ) store a file from a URL/URI into a cache/md5-of-name.format

18:32 <kenichi> i don't have access to windows/ruby box, but i'm wondering if you could just File.new('\\host\share\file')

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18:32 <matthewd> soLucien: Is that 'Install-Resources' thing a powershell "gem"?

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18:32 <soLucien> no , it's my half-assed script

18:33 <soLucien> which works fine, but it's not Ruby

18:33 <kenichi> since smb shares are fs level on windows, right?

18:33 <matthewd> But you don't want to do the same in ruby?

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18:33 <soLucien> i wantt o do the same in ruby (maybe better)

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18:33 <soLucien> yes they shouls be fs level .. let me try the file.new

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18:34 <toretore> kenichi: doesn't it still make a distinction between "//server/resource" and a "mounted resource"?

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18:34 <soLucien> i thaught there's something for this kind of task .. a generic URI cacher gem

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18:36 <kenichi> toretore: really stretchin the memory here, but once \\host\share is connected/authed, i believe you can just browse it or "mount" it at a drive letter

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18:37 <toretore> kenichi: could be, i honestly have no idea

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18:37 <soLucien> i believe lines 34-50 do something similar

18:37 <soLucien> https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/blob/master/lib/vagrant/action/builtin/box_add.rb#L34

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18:37 <soLucien> although i don't understand what exactly

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18:37 <soLucien> but it doesn't seem like a trivial task ..

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18:39 <toretore> soLucien: first step: find a smb client OR find out if you can just use file paths

18:39 <toretore> probably the other way around to short circuit on the easier option

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19:07 <mikecmpbll> yuung : has it got an enormous amount of output? system will output immediately, backticks store and return the output

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19:09 <yuung> mikecmpbll, that's what i was thinking...no, not an unusually large amount of output

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19:13 <machinewar> is it bad practice to call a class inlcluding a module's instance variable from within a module. I.e. relying on a class including a module to define instance variables

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19:14 <meatchicken> machinewar, yes

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19:15 <meatchicken> don't rely on the module like that

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19:15 <machinewar> thanks

19:15 <meatchicken> or maybe you need to rephrase your question

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19:15 <meatchicken> can you rephrase

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19:15 <meatchicken> not entirely sure what you mean

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19:16 <machinewar> well I have a few classes that share this complex logic and they all have a database connection as an instance variable

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19:16 <toretore> machinewar: and a question is best asked in code

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19:16 <angrycat> What Does It Mean To Parse something?

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19:16 <machinewar> so I want to pull the logic into a module, but the module would need to know about the instance variable let's say @db

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19:16 <toretore> machinewar: pass the db into the class on instantiation

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19:17 <machinewar> toretore: that's what happens now, but doesn't solve the module issue

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19:17 <toretore> machinewar: show some code?

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19:17 <machinewar> kk one sec

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19:18 <toretore> code > words, it's usually immediately obvious what you mean when we can see the code

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19:19 <mikecmpbll> yuung : hmm, not sure then. they're both pretty similar, they both fork and exec ..

19:19 <john__> Hey guys. I'm used to programming in a more linear fashion, but I just got hired as a Rails dev... I'm using Sidekiq, Passenger, Capistrano, gitlab, redis, and new relic... doing devops... are there any good resources out there to make my job more effective?

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19:19 <machinewar> toretore: https://gist.github.com/AlexWheeler/254c0030f4ef5ed9369df19ee89e6262

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19:19 <toretore> real code

19:19 <toretore> pls

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19:20 <machinewar> toretore: that is nearly the real code. Just the real code's db#do_something is more complex

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19:20 <machinewar> and I want that to be a public instance method on the classses

19:20 <toretore> then why didn't you gist the real code if it's nearly the same?

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19:21 <machinewar> because its proprietary

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19:21 <machinewar> and I figure this gets the point across

19:21 <toretore> yeah i'm sure someone would steal it, but anyway

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19:21 <matthewd> machinewar: What's your question?

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19:22 <toretore> generally, when using a module as a mixin to provide shared functionality that has requirements on the target class is that you say "the class must respond to x and return y"

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19:22 <toretore> you assume a certain interface on the target class

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19:23 <machinewar> totally. But in this case I'm expecting a certain private interface, which seems wrong

19:23 <toretore> in your case: "to use this mixin, it is assumed that a method `db` is available which returns Sequel::Client" or whatever

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19:23 <toretore> private or public doesn't really matter

19:24 <machinewar> toretore: awesome that answers my question thanks

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19:24 <toretore> but not instance variables mind you

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19:24 <angrycat> I understand parsing as transforming a data stream into à format suited for later processing

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19:26 <smathy> angrycat, there's not much more to it than that - not sure if you've now answered your own question, or if there's something more that you don't understand?

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19:27 <smathy> john__, the READMEs and docs of each of those things.

19:27 <john__> thx @smathy

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19:27 <angrycat> ok, thanks

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19:41 <kinduff> Hello! I'm building a gem and I want to make it easy to configure. It has different classes to be used but want the user to be able to configure them separately with the config block pattern. It works good with modules but I'm unable to find a not-so-dirty way to propagate the same kind of config to the two classes. Example here: https://gist.github.com/kinduff/5b5f618942ffd30d8125331c4a392fec

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19:42 <matthewd> kinduff: What are you trying that's not working?

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19:43 <kinduff> matthewd, let me update the gist, one sec

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19:48 <kinduff> matthewd: https://gist.github.com/kinduff/64667635551282f4ee04ae4e29a619d3 trying this kind of pattern

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19:49 <kinduff> having a hard time trying to remember how this heritage works

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19:49 <matthewd> You're defining configure on SubModule, not ClassOne

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19:50 <toretore> kinduff: what makes you choose to implement configuration this way?

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19:51 <kinduff> toretore: don't want to mix up class init with configuration. Each of those classes are service that requires fe API keys, etc. After that the user will init the class with options for the service.

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19:52 <kinduff> MainModule::SubModule::ClassOne.configure{|c| c.key = "value"}; MainModule::SubModule::ClassOne.new(options);

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19:52 <kinduff> makes sense?

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19:52 <kinduff> or should I use configuration in the init and then receive options in another method?

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19:54 <toretore> kinduff: what if i want to create two instances with different keys?

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19:54 <kinduff> toretore: good case

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19:55 <kinduff> toretore: Hmm, what do you recommend?

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19:55 <toretore> you can still do something like Module::MyService.new{|c| c.key = 'uyg67f7i' }

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19:55 <matthewd> kinduff: I think you'd need to elaborate on what the class represents, and what the non-configuration options are, for more concrete suggestions

19:56 <toretore> c being a Configurator or something that simply translates to a hash which is then used in initialize

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19:56 <toretore> or, you know, just use arguments

19:56 <zzxc> So I'm a little bit confused by gems. From my ruby application can I query all of th gems in my gem file?

19:56 <dunpeal> What's the most idiomatic way to check if a key exists inside a hash?

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19:56 <toretore> depends on what you mean by exists

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19:56 <toretore> usually just hsh[key]

19:57 <Mon_Ouie> Hash#has_key? to avoid issues if the value can be nil or false

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19:57 <matthewd> zzxc: Technically yes, but it's not something one would normally need to do... depending on what you mean by 'query', I guess

19:57 <dunpeal> Mon_Ouie: right.

19:57 <toretore> kinduff: there's nothing wrong with Service.new(key: 'something', something_else: 'hello')

19:58 <dunpeal> toretore: exists includes if it is set to nil or false

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19:58 <toretore> then what Mon_Ouie said

19:58 <kinduff> thanks a lot toretore & matthewd

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19:58 <matthewd> dunpeal: Or use fetch (if it fits your higher-level use case)

19:58 <kinduff> I'll go with the init pattern

19:58 <toretore> i think #fetch will work too if you want a default value

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19:58 <toretore> 2l8

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19:59 <dunpeal> What's the difference between has_key? and inlcude?

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19:59 <toretore> they're the same

19:59 <dunpeal> toretore: the docs imply otherwise

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20:00 <zzxc> I wanted to basically have a extensivable app that that didn't any outside async messaging by default, but add but basically adding a gem would allow it to extend it and use that. Kind of like how logstash works.

20:00 <toretore> dunpeal: http://www.rubydoc.info/stdlib/core/Hash#has_key%3F-instance_method

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20:01 <dunpeal> toretore: interesting. rubydoc.org implies they're not the same: http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.3.1/Hash.html#method-i-has_key-3F

20:02 <dminuoso> dunpeal: https://github.com/ruby/ruby/blob/trunk/hash.c#L4429-L4433

20:02 <dminuoso> dunpeal: They are the same.

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20:02 <Mon_Ouie> They just mean that Hash#include? is not the same an Enumerable#include?

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20:04 <dunpeal> ah, cool.

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20:07 <dminuoso> dunpeal: If in doubt, use the source, luke. :)

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20:10 <dunpeal> dminuoso: sure, but where would I find the source for this? all I can see right now is rb_hash_has_key in hash.c, which doesn't say anywhere that it is the same method as #include

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20:11 <dminuoso> dunpeal: Be specific about which #include? you are talking about. There is Enumerable#include? and Hash#include?

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20:11 <matthewd> dunpeal: 4429 defines include? as calling rb_hash_has_key

20:11 <dminuoso> dunpeal: If you look at the code region I posted, you will notice that it defines "include?" and "has_key?" (amongst others) to both use the same C function rb_hash_has_key.

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20:12 <Mon_Ouie> Also the source code of Hash#include? and of Hash#has_key? is shown to be the same on that ruby-doc page

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20:13 <dunpeal> dminuoso: ah, thanks, I didn't see the link you posted.

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20:14 <dminuoso> dunpeal: Note if you want to do this on a regular basis, you should always be sure to pick the correct tag (according to whatever version you are using).

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20:14 <dminuoso> (I wrongly linked the source file from trunk)

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20:15 <dunpeal> dminuoso: ah, sure. thanks

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20:15 <dunpeal> I was using the ruby-doc.org because I thought it was "official", but it seems lacking compared to rubydoc.info

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20:17 <dunpeal> Should I just use rubydoc.info (YARD) going forward?

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20:24 <Mon_Ouie> Both are generated from the same code, it's just a matter of preference of how it is rendered

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20:27 <soLucien> okay this is annoying

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20:27 <soLucien> why is '\\host\Software\resources\win2012r2-msdn.iso'

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20:28 <soLucien> interpreted as "\\host\\Software\\resources\\win2012r2-msdn.iso"

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20:28 <soLucien> i dont get it , why leave the first 2 chars unescaped ?

20:28 <toretore> soLucien: provide code to show that it is

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20:28 <matthewd> soLucien: Because that is a single escaped character

20:29 <matthewd> soLucien: If that's not what you meant (it's not), then you need to compensate

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20:29 <matthewd> >> '\\'.size

20:29 <ruby[bot]> matthewd: # => 1 (https://eval.in/631915)

20:29 <Mon_Ouie> backslash can still have a special meaning in single-quoted strings when followed by '

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20:29 <Mon_Ouie> Which is why there needs to be a way to escape it

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20:30 <soLucien> so \\ is special even in single-quoted strings

20:30 <soLucien> damnit

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20:31 <soLucien> how to compensate ?

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20:31 <xpitr> https://xkcd.com/1638/

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20:31 <soLucien> smth like replace single \ with \\ if the string starts with \ ?

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20:32 <xpitr> do you want to see one or two backslashes?

20:32 <soLucien> two , but only when i write 2

20:32 <soLucien> because it's a UNC path

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20:32 <soLucien> \\server-name\sharename\file

20:32 <xpitr> welp, double them

20:32 <xpitr> take this and double each \ ^^

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20:33 <soLucien> so double all slashes , cool

20:33 <toretore> soLucien: are you looking to write a static string or change one that's already been defined?

20:33 <xpitr> or better yet, construct the path in "smart" way, eg. def name(servername, sharename, file); '\\\\' + servername ... you know

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20:34 <soLucien> i am looking to parse a UNC path written by a user . The user will define it as '\\unc\path' because well .. that's a UNC path

20:34 <toretore> define how?

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20:34 <soLucien> write it in a Vagrantfiles

20:34 <soLucien> so it is a ruby variable

20:34 <toretore> so as a ruby string literal?

20:34 <soLucien> yes

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20:34 <toretore> then it's the user's responsibility to do it properly

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20:35 <soLucien> so he writes it as a string lteral. After that, my code downloads the file to a certain directory

20:35 <soLucien> Vagrant users shouldn't know Ruby ..

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20:36 <matthewd> They need to know Vagrant syntax, though

20:36 <toretore> if they're writing a ruby file then they should, by definition

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20:36 <matthewd> And it just happens a Vagrant string has the same syntax as a Ruby string

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20:39 <soLucien> '\\unc\path'.gsub("\\","\\\\")

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20:41 <toretore> if you did that to my string i'd be pissed

20:41 <Mon_Ouie> backslashes have a special meaning in the replacement string you give to gsub

20:41 <matthewd> >> '\\unc\path'.gsub("\\","\\\\").split('')

20:41 <ruby[bot]> matthewd: # => ["\\", "u", "n", "c", "\\", "p", "a", "t", "h"] (https://eval.in/631917)

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20:41 <Mon_Ouie> (because you can use e.g. \1 to refer to the first capture group)

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20:42 <matthewd> (also, yes, this is trading a solvable user error for unpredictable magic. It is a bad idea.)

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20:50 <soLucien> https://gist.github.com/s0lucien/7d7bfd5e0a8cde7e395abba8a503bb54

20:50 <soLucien> #notproud

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20:52 <Mon_Ouie> Have you tried that code?

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20:52 <soLucien> only in irb

20:52 <Mon_Ouie> >> '\\unc\path'.gsub("\\","\\\\") == '\\unc\path'

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20:52 <ruby[bot]> Mon_Ouie: # => true (https://eval.in/631920)

20:52 <toretore> probably works better than most vagrant code out there

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20:52 <Mon_Ouie> gsub("\\","\\\\") does nothing whatsoever

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20:53 <toretore> Mon_Ouie: ssh, just let them leave it like that

20:53 <toretore> it's a stupid thing to do

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20:54 <soLucien> '\\unc\path'.gsub('\\','\\\\\\\\')

20:54 <soLucien> woohoo

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20:54 <soLucien> killin' it

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20:55 <matthewd> soLucien: Now consider what happens if someone does pass the right thing (e.g., a UNC path they read from a file)

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20:56 <soLucien> okay , i'll go for a smoke and try to fix thsi nicely

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20:56 <soLucien> this

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20:56 <soLucien> the requirement is that '\\unc\path\file' works

20:57 <soLucien> as well as '\\\\unc\path'

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20:57 <soLucien> so i need a breath of fresh air in order to fix this

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20:57 <matthewd> Does "\\unc\path\file" need to work too? If not, why not?

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20:58 <smathy> I haven't followed this at all, but maybe just replace them with /s

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20:58 <soLucien> no , "" strings have to use double \s

20:58 <soLucien> because that's ruby convention

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20:58 <matthewd> But... that's the ruby convention for '' strings as well

20:58 <soLucien> but escaped strings should follow the escaped string meaning

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20:59 <soLucien> isn't '' string supposed to NOT escape anything inside them ?

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20:59 <soLucien> no interpolation, no nothing ?

20:59 <toretore> no

20:59 <toretore> that's not how it is

20:59 <soLucien> so you can't interpolate

20:59 <toretore> as you can clearly see

20:59 <soLucien> but \ == \\

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20:59 <soLucien> bs

20:59 <soLucien> fss

20:59 <Papierkorb> What about \' ?

20:59 <matthewd> Right. No interpolation, and no \n etc, but \\ and \' are still special

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21:00 <soLucien> Papierkorb this is a vagrant plugin, i want it to be as close to a non-ruby's expectations as possible

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21:00 <Papierkorb> soLucien: Then vagrant should've chosen YAML files or something.

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21:00 <soLucien> yep .. they should

21:01 <toretore> "let's write our config files in a programming language"

21:01 <Papierkorb> And do you expect your users to be too stupid to write \\?

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21:01 <toretore> "with some fucking dsls and shit"

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21:02 <soLucien> i expect them not to know that '\\\\some\stuff' == '\\some\stuff' and '\\some\stuff' != '\\some\stuff'

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21:02 <soLucien> that is very counterintuitive

21:02 <Papierkorb> Just document it.

21:02 <Papierkorb> The next person will use "" and then be confused again

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21:02 <soLucien> i can't because it's a dsl that they write

21:03 <soLucien> actually fak the users

21:03 <Papierkorb> You can't document it? Huh?

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21:03 <soLucien> if they cant figure this out, they can write their own

21:03 <soLucien> :D

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21:03 <toretore> what is counterintuitive is if i give you a properly formatted string and then you change it to not be any more

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21:19 <smathy> He could just use /^\\+/

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21:33 <Time-Warp> irb(main):001:0> nice = %w{zomg everyones in the ruby chat}

21:33 <Time-Warp> => ["zomg", "everyones", "in", "the", "ruby", "chat"]

21:33 <Time-Warp> irb(main):002:0> nice.sort

21:33 <Time-Warp> => ["chat", "everyones", "in", "ruby", "the", "zomg"]

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21:39 <baweaver> Time-Warp ?

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21:57 <ramfjord> I'm working on a little gem for syncing RDS logs, and I need to do something like ``Time.now - 5.days``. How can I do this without pulling in activesupport as a dependency?

21:58 <ramfjord> I don't want to initialize a Time.new(t.year, t.month, t.day - 5,...) because I want it to work on the first of the month

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21:58 <ramfjord> struggling to find non-active record examples of modifying Time objects

21:58 <havenwood> ramfjord: Time.now - 5 * 24 * 60 * 60

21:58 <ramfjord> s/active record/active support

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21:59 <ramfjord> mmm... Yeah, I suppose that would work fine

21:59 <ramfjord> I'll jsut do that

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22:09 <jazzonmym111nd> or (3600*24)*5

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22:14 <dunpeal> I have a hash with multiple keys. I want to do an ".each" operation, but only on keys in a specific set

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22:14 <dunpeal> How do I do that?

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22:14 <dunpeal> I thought of using .values_at, but I get "nil" for missing keys

22:14 <dunpeal> e.g. {foo: 'bar'}.values_at(:foo, :qux) #=> ['bar', nil]

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22:15 <dunpeal> I guess I can call .compact! on that

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22:17 <smathy> dunpeal, slice.

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22:18 <smathy> >> { foo: 1, bar: 2 }.slice :foo, :qux

22:18 <ruby[bot]> smathy: # => undefined method `slice' for {:foo=>1, :bar=>2}:Hash (NoMethodError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/631991)

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22:18 <smathy> Aww, stupid Rails getting in my head again :(

22:19 <smathy> Sorry.

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22:22 <baweaver> >> def slice(h, *ks);ks.each_with_object({}){|k,o|o[k]=h[k]} end; slice({a:1,b:2,c:2,d:4}, :a,:d,:e)

22:22 <ruby[bot]> baweaver: # => {:a=>1, :d=>4, :e=>nil} (https://eval.in/631992)

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22:28 <Mon_Ouie> ks.zip(h.values_at(ks)).to_h

22:28 <Mon_Ouie> I mean values_at(*ks)

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22:31 <toretore> how about just `if set.include?(key)`

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23:19 <soLucien> what is the recommended way of copying a file from one location to another

23:19 <soLucien> creating subfolders as necessary

23:20 <theRoUS> soLucien: i use 'cp -r' or 'rsync -a'

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23:20 <soLucien> in ruby ?

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23:21 <SeepingN> `cp -r source destination`

23:21 <SeepingN> ;)

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23:22 <soLucien> this is Windows.

23:22 <soLucien> I want a cross-platform solution

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23:23 <SeepingN> all you need should be http://ruby-doc.org/stdlib-2.2.2/libdoc/fileutils/rdoc/FileUtils.html

23:23 <SeepingN> consider mkdir_p if copy doens't create directory paths

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23:33 <havenwood> soLucien: Maybe ^ paired with: File.dirname('path/to/file.txt')

23:33 <havenwood> soLucien: Or un.rb is fun: ruby -run -e mkdir -- new_ancestor/subdir -p && ruby -run -e cp -- file_to_copy.rb new_ancestor/subdir

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23:34 <soLucien> it worked with FileUtils.mkdir_p

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23:50 <SeepingN> FileUtils.mkdir_p(File.dirname('full/path/to/file.ext')) && FileUtils.cp blah blah

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