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<blackbombay__> it seems they do. cool site. waffle a bit tho.
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<Darmani> blackbombay__: sorry stepped away for a sec.
<Darmani> Yeah it seems like a good way to learn Ruby.
<blackbombay__> good brain food too
<Darmani> I'm not much for reading but I enjoy this kind of stuff.
<blackbombay__> i did that at a job interview years ago :p
<Darmani> blackbombay__: really? hahaha
<blackbombay__> yup
<Darmani> Can't wait till I do that one
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<ela_> If I write a method in Ruby that just prints something out and doesn't return anything, how do I use that method to print something on an HTML page? I have an application controller (erb file) if that helps.
<lupine> ela_: you don't, really
<lupine> change the method to return a String instead of using puts
<ela_> it goes through a "for each" loop and prints out something from a sqlite3 data table... i have no idea how to make that a string
<ela_> oh wait- i think i got it. i'll just add it to one big string. Thanks so much
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<machinewar> should we be using Rspec.describe now over describe?
<machinewar> sort of confused about the disabling monkey patching
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<lupine> if you want to disable monkey patching, you'll need to do that, yes
<lupine> by itself, it's barely worth mentioning
<ueueueueuueueu> are there any openly white supremacist devs?
<ytti> it's a big world, i'm sure there are
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<ytti> quick googling says number might be something in hundreds globally
<ytti> based on percentage share of US population being members of ku klux clan, and number of developers globally
<ytti> and assumption that equal part of developers are openly racist as general US population
<ytti> (i'm sure fewer developers are, but as it was just for KKK, and openly racists people covers more than actual members of KKK, I'd say it's still reasonable approximation)
<ytti> (6500.0/320000000) * 18500000
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<ela_> Why does this not work in a method: def update_pvotes(vote) UPDATE dbo.ElectionTable SET votes += 1 WHERE ProductID == vote.to_i GO end
<ela_> When I run it it says that dbo is undefined variable or method
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<ela_> (I'm using sql as a database)
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<a1fa> how does ruby deal when comparing two time strings using %Y%m%d%T%H%M0000 format?
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<a1fa> example 2016110620320000 > 2016110620330000
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<a1fa> does it treat this as strings or does it do it by date
<a1fa> do i need to convert these things to int?
<a1fa> (or epoch)
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<ICantCook> yes
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<a1fa> yes to epch or int?
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<blackbombay__> a1fa: dates in the future are greater than dates in the past
<blackbombay__> you shouldn't need to use to_i although you could, but you'd get the exact same result.
<blackbombay__> oh strings?
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<blackbombay__> sorry i misread that, yes they're treated as strings.
<a1fa> but its ok
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<a1fa> right, you can still do >
<blackbombay__> it won't compare those two strings as dates, you would have to parse them via Date or DateTime.
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<a1fa> just as strings, but future string is greater than past string
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<al2o3-cr> a1fa: it uses <=>
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<a1fa> any reason to convert those "strings" into epoch, and run the test ?
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<al2o3-cr> a1fa: what are you trying to do?
<a1fa> checking a report timestamp
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<a1fa> listing reports that are older than provided timestamp
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<al2o3-cr> either should suffice
<a1fa> thanks.. i've had this running for ages
<a1fa> and it worked fine.. but we've been missing reports, so in digging through it
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<a1fa> i think it's the api we connect into, that's not spitting out reports
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<machinewar> will concurrent HTTP requests significantly speed up program even with the GIL
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<machinewar> because I cant do much anything with the responses concurrenlty right?
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<ezio> how do i put in a bug report/feature request?
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<ezio> i can't register at bugs.ruby-lang.org
<ezio> i mean ... i registered
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<ezio> but i can't login
<ezio> i've reset my password 4 times now
<ezio> it's just not taking the password
<ezio> someone wanna try resetting my password for me and changing it to whatever you want then try to login. let me know if i'm just messed in the head.
<ezio> or if it's my browser or something
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<uppoer> what would you recommend for ruby development emacs or vim?
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<Ropeney> uppoer, neither of them have anything to do wiht ruby development; but what you prefer.
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<uppoer> Ropeney: what do you prefer?
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<matheusmoreira> I recommend a good terminal emulator.
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<matheusmoreira> the editor itself is just a question of comfort, but you're likely to be running your program from the terminal.
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<ezio> uppoer, RubyMine
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<Ropeney> uppoer, I prefer Vim
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<nchambeddwch> ezio, what is rubymine?
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<ezio> it's awesome
<ezio> it's jetbrains ide for ruby
<nchambeddwch> oh
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<matheusmoreira> I'm a big fan of their Java IDE
<ezio> I use clion and phpstorm as well in production
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<ezio> ruby mine i just use for one class at school
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<matheusmoreira> Does rubymine still cost money? IIRC one had to get a community license and that requires having a big open source project
<ezio> i would never actually be caught using ruby otherwise :D
<ezio> yup. it costs
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<ezio> if you're a student, though, it's free
<ezio> worth every penny, though, if you're doing a lot of dev
<ezio> they really know how to make an ide
<matheusmoreira> Any student or specifically a technology student?
<ezio> any student i think
<matheusmoreira> Also been wondering about that for GitHub private repos
<ezio> all you have to do is submit a request using your student email
<ezio> they don't even check your transcripts
<matheusmoreira> My school doesn't offer those
<ezio> shitty
<ezio> submit a request anyways
<ezio> really, though, you can't use it for production
<ezio> they would have a legal complaint
<matheusmoreira> What do you mean?
<matheusmoreira> My repo or the IDE?
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<ezio> you can't use a student licence for the ide to produce something commercial
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<matheusmoreira> Yeah I'm aware. If I actually start making money out of programming someday, I guess I'd buy it.
<ezio> That's what they're hoping.
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<ezio> and in that, it is a fair trade
<matheusmoreira> Indeed
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<matheusmoreira> Companies are the ones who have huge cash to blow on software anyway. I used to laugh when presented with huge prices for Visual Studio. I don't know a single person who paid for it.
<matheusmoreira> Not only that, they're the ones with cash to pay you should you actually decide to sue them for it...
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<matheusmoreira> anyway, I just use Sublime Text to edit Ruby code, or any code for that matter. It renders text pretty well
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<SuperLag> If I set a string... like "version = '3.8.1'", can I then substite it in a URL with http://foo.com/path-to-app-#{version}.zip and have it substitute?
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<SuperLag> I don't have the double quotes in the code, only single... silly to put them both here
<dminuoso_> SuperLag: Sure. Inplace interpolation only works if the surrounding string has double quotes.
<dminuoso_> (Or use sprintf)
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<uppoer> is it wrong to hate blacks?
<ezio> Nah. I always separate the colours from the whites
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<uppoer> i do too
<ezio> otherwise they'll mix and become dirty
<uppoer> no
<uppoer> i just ruined my blacks
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<uppoer> there was still bleach in the washing machine somehow
<ezio> just hang them out on the line
<uppoer> my coloureds
<uppoer> are ruined
<ezio> i was being quasi racist
<uppoer> lol
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<uppoer> i only like whites
<uppoer> you can't ruin whites
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<ezio> i don't know. yellows can brighten your day ;)
<uppoer> bleach them and they'll still be white
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<uppoer> no spots or anything
<heftig> i hate licorice; other kinds of gum are okay, just keep that black stuff away from me
<ezio> don't like sucking on the blacks; eh"
<ezio> ?
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<ezio> god I hope Bernie wins on Tuesday
<tobiasvl> lol
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<dminuoso_> Uh.. so I was just writing some piece of code like: foo.new? && foo.validate! and wondering whether there was a sequence point in between those two statements..
<dminuoso_> Something tells me that I wrote too much C++ and too little Ruby last week. :(
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<al2o3-cr> >> !(b=()).nil?&.nil?.to_s
<ruby[bot]> al2o3-cr: # => false (https://eval.in/673283)
<al2o3-cr> why doesn't this return 'true' ?
<tobiasvl> >> (!(b=()).nil?&.nil?).to_s
<ruby[bot]> tobiasvl: # => "true" (https://eval.in/673286)
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<tobiasvl> al2o3-cr: precedence ^
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<al2o3-cr> ah, thanks tobiasvl :)
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<al2o3-cr> i was scratching my head for a minute then :P
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<machinewar> need help with regex that matches describe Class and not describe "some string"
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<machinewar> i.e. "describe User" and not match "describe 'some_method'"
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<sparch> ule :)
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<ule> o/
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<suchness> How could I do something like: MyHashClass < Hash and have MyHashClass.new default to Hash.new { |h, k| h[k] = k.to_s }
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<toretore> suchness: for what purpose? most times, subclassing Hash or Array is a bad idea
<toretore> and it is also very difficult
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<suchness> bleh
<suchness> I will just compose
<suchness> I am trying to make a map that either spits back the mapping or whatever went into it
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<suchness> But it's tacky doing that in a class that has nothing to do with the mapping
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<machinewar> suchness: could you store the mapping in a hash and then define [](key), check if there is a mapping otherwise just return the value
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<suchness> machinewar: Yeah, but that's what I was talking about when I was saying it's logic that doesn't fit well in the model, I have a better plan in mind
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<machinewar> suchness: ahh cool got it! I just did something similar
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<chiggins> Trying to work with a library called metasm. I have a folder project/ and then the lib in project/metasm/. Gemfile reads `gem "metasm", :path => "metasm"` and is in project/. `bundle install` runs fine, but then when I drop to irb and do `require "metasm"` I get an error that it cannot be found. Reason I'm doing this is because I want to make modifications to this library and then test them with my project. Any
<chiggins> ideas what I can do from here?
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<makufiru> long shot here but is anyone using the RubyMine editor with bash/linux subsystem on windows?
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<suchness> Is there a decent way to determine where a block was sent from when it's evaluated?
<dminuoso_> Interesting question.
<dminuoso_> My feeling says no.
<suchness> Yeah mine too
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<dminuoso_> suchness: Though.. no. There is definitely a way.
<suchness> Was looking at bindings and such
<dminuoso_> Well I was thinking about getting the internal block pointer and just walking up the stack frames..
<Papierkorb> suchness: binding_of_caller
<Papierkorb> Though if that's a *good* idea is another question
<dminuoso_> Papierkorb: That's not gonna cut it.
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<suchness> blackbombay_: that looks a little invasive...
<Papierkorb> suchness: Can't you just get the backtrace?
<dminuoso_> suchness: I dont see a way without manually walking stack frames and inspecting the state of the ruby vm and looking for the internal block pointer.
<Papierkorb> oh, nvm
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<blackbombay_> dminuoso_: then you should look at method_source :P
<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: What?
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<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: That's not gonna help at all.
<blackbombay_> it has source_location, it'll help for block literals.
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<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: You are assuming that you even have a source to begin with.
<blackbombay_> or just look at how it does it.
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<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: The only solid way would be by walking up the stack frames manually comparing VM state
<suchness> I found an alternate method that is much cleaner just by rewriting my code a little, but that you all.
<blackbombay_> suchness: share.
<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: The gem you shared has nothing to do with the problem mentioned.
<suchness> blackbombay_: It's not solved with the question at hand, but basically:
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<blackbombay_> dminuoso_: sure it does, it can provide the line # and file where a block was defined.
<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: THink about it for a second.
<blackbombay_> unless i misunderstood his question, but that's how i understood it.
<blackbombay_> you obviously understood it differently.
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<suchness> I have a module that gives a method "loader" to a class, if that method is given a block, it does @loader = Loader.new(&block), otherwise it just returns @loader - I wanted to set a class reference on Loader.new, instead of doing it ugly in the loader self, {evaled_code} I am just passing it in the method that is included in the class - I know that's confusing
<toretore> perhaps precisely defining the question first is a good idea
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<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: Mere source code analysis will not tell you where the block came from
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<dminuoso_> And this is just a very basic contrived example.
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<blackbombay_> dminuoso_: sure, in that case it wouldn't work.
<dminuoso_> blackbombay_: it's more than just figuring out where a block is defined, because you need to walk the stack frames.
<blackbombay_> it depends on the scenario tbh, but yes, that could be true.
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<blackbombay_> suchness: can you share code by any chance? it sounds you solved it another way entirely.
<suchness> blackbombay_: Ha, yeah I suppose
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<blackbombay_> dminuoso_: actually, i think you could find where it came from... block.source_location.
<blackbombay_> in your method 'c'.
<toretore> Proc#binding
<blackbombay_> true also :)
<toretore> "where does it come from" can mean different things
<blackbombay_> where it was defined*
<toretore> still not precise enough
<toretore> what is "where"?
<suchness> yeah, what file doesn't help me, I need to know what "self" was when the block was created/passed
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<toretore> suchness: you should explain the context of what you're doing, with code
<suchness> I haven't got an issue any longer ;) As I stated above
<toretore> if you are explicitly passing something instead of relying on magiprogramming, you're probably doing it right
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<suchness> notice the addition of self on line 9, as well as a 'model' argument in the loader initizliae
<suchness> initialize*
<suchness> I would have prefered it to just know but this is fine
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<blackbombay_> dont you just return nil w/o a block?
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<blackbombay_> seems like a strange API to have, if i call loader with a block it initializes @loader, then if i call it without a block it returns @loader to me. if i never call it with a block, it would always be nil.
<suchness> blackbombay_: That's alright, it's always called
<suchness> It's defined in a model, so it's always caled
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<blackbombay_> why not always accept a block, and provide a getter for @loader if you need to reference it again?
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<suchness> What like get_loader?
<suchness> Gross
<blackbombay_> no, just loader i guess, then call the method with the block differently. basically, you've implemented something that acts as a getter AND a setter.
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<suchness> What like set_loader?
<suchness> Gross
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<blackbombay_> ok, but your API is also gross :)
<suchness> It's the same as method and method=
<suchness> Then the api of all languages are gross
<blackbombay_> that's not a common API at all
<suchness> Literally no different than attr_accessor
<suchness> Figuratively
<blackbombay_> setters and getters are normally different methods, you've conflated the two into one method.
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<blackbombay_> it is different, of course, attr_accessor defines two separate methods. you define a single method that does the job of both those methods, depending on whether or not it has an argument. it is not normal at all, or even the same as attr_accessor.
<suchness> blackbombay_: I would argue almost all gems that take configuration options follow that
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<blackbombay_> show me an example.
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<suchness> activerecord state_machne
<blackbombay_> where does activerecord do that?
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<suchness> I said state_machine, the activerecord version
<blackbombay_> if ruby implemented method overloading, it would make more sense but it doesn't.
<suchness> Not active record and state machine
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<suchness> Why do you care so much?
<blackbombay_> that's one gem. i'd argue any gem that implements that pattern implements an anti-pattern. setters and getters should be defined as two methods.
<suchness> Well I think you will do just fine following that pattern
<suchness> I disagree
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<baweaver> you do realize that ivar and ivar= are separate methods right?
<suchness> I very much do
<ruby[bot]> havenwood: # => -1 (https://eval.in/673638)
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<havenwood> >> def arity &block; block.arity end; arity { |*| }
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<baweaver> I've not seen that pattern before with loader
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<suchness> With loader?
<suchness> Loader is my class, my method
<baweaver> the loader method.
<baweaver> normally it just yields itself to the block and returns self at the end
<baweaver> which is how most gems tend to do configuration.
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<suchness> But I am not going to
<suchness> Yeah, I could do loader.configure do
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<blackbombay_> seems like it
<blackbombay_> do you always code alone?
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<baweaver> blackbombay_ unnecessary
<havenwood> suchness: For the one that can't be called without a block, consider `block_given?` and `yield` for a no-block-given LocalJumpError.
<baweaver> we do not insult, implicit or otherwise, on this channel. We teach
<havenwood> suchness: You might make the arity check more robust by using `block.parameters` since arity count is a bit odd.
<blackbombay_> baweaver: well, clearly cannot take constructive criticism at all.
<suchness> havenwood: It can be called without a block
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<baweaver> Then try again in a different way.
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<suchness> I understand the points you are all making, and I agree with your reasons - I just happen to think there are times to step out of black and white, and this is one of those times.
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<suchness> I don't do things blindly just because someone said so, I have been using ruby for 10 years.
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<suchness> Especially when people don't know the bigger picture of what I am doing.
<havenwood> suchness: Assuming AddLoader module does more stuff? (If not, of course drop the ClassMethods and just extend it.) It's hard to tell from this snippet how it's being used, but try to keep it the simplest thing that can possibly work!
<suchness> havenwood: It does much more
<havenwood> I assumed.
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<suchness> I know, but this is all proprietary code so I need to chop things down :/
<blackbombay_> we're not telling you to do anything, we're informing you that the pattern you are using is unusual, it would be better suited if ruby implemented method overloading but it doesn't, and you seem to think it is a common idiom but id argue it's not. it's advice, not "do this or else". so far you've just said nope to everything.
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<suchness> havenwood: It does these sorts of things: http://pastie.org/private/fovh4dlxkxuyfvlafgka
<suchness> I have cron jobs pulling ftp servers and parsing millions upon millions of rows in many tables, this just handles loading them all so my classes aren't gross with stuff that doesn't really belong
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<blackbombay_> it's like programming with donald trump. you just make wild statements that are not true and when they are disproven you continue on as before anyway.
<suchness> You're still going
<suchness> blackbombay_: I did, and you wanted to keep going. I am not going to do it
<suchness> I am not disagreeing that there aren't other ways
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<suchness> Also, I asked about determining where a block was called from, told the channel I had determined a better way, was inisted I show some code, and then get nitpicked about something completely irrelevant to what I am talking about (pretty much IRC in a nutshell)
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<suchness> And I pointed you to a gem that does what I am talking about - I am at work I don't have time to compile you a list.
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<blackbombay_> i think that list would be small, you are doing something ruby isn't suited for. you want method overloading to implement that pattern.
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<suchness> blackbombay_: I have seen it a lot, but you may be right - your code is probably much better than mine
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<blackbombay_> yeah most likely
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<suchness> blackbombay_: You sure are something.
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<blackbombay_> what am i suppose to reply?
<suchness> Nothing, learn some humility
<suchness> I gave you a compliment and you decided to be a dick, go fuck yourself
<blackbombay_> your comment is bs to begin with, it has nothing to do with my code being "better" than yours.
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<suchness> If you think my comment was bs then you have some insecurities to work out.
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<flashpoint9> neither of you are going to "win" so please move this to personal chat and clear the channel for ruby stuff please
<flashpoint9> thanks!
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<suchness> flashpoint9: Yeah, sorry
<suchness> Just frusterated
<flashpoint9> no problem, ive done the same thing
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<blackbombay_> it's bs because how can you measure "better", it's largely subjective to begin with, nothing to do with insecurities.
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<newdan> I get an error about rack not being found when running bundle install... is something wrong with my machine?
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<havenwood> newdan: Sanity check you're using the Bundler gem you think you are with `which bundle` and `gem which bundler`. What's the error you get when you run `bundle`?
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<newdan> havenwood: Er... not getting it anymore... It was saying that Rack 1.6.4 couldn't be found in my sources, but now it just installs and runs fine
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<Terens> hello
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<Xentil> Terens: hello
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<tuelz> if I put a bunch of debugger statements in a dependency using `bundle open` is there a good way to revert it back to the original depend?
<tuelz> I kinda sorta remember something like `bundle pristine` maybe?
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<Darmani> Hi everyone! I wanted to write a program that converts numbers to Roman Numerals.
<Darmani> I'm guessing it would just be a huge hash with all the values mapped right?
<ytti> no
<Darmani> no? o.o
<ytti> i believe you don't have enough memory
<ytti> the largest number is very large number
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<apeiros> it's, in fact, infinitely large.
<ytti> you'd use #divmod
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<Darmani> uhhh...
<ytti> to figure out how many of each letter you'll use
<Darmani> divmod o.o
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<ytti> p[1] pry(main)> 123456.divmod(1000)
<ytti> => [123, 456]
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<ytti> we need 123 * M
<ytti> [2] pry(main)> 456.divmod(500)
<ytti> => [0, 456]
<ytti> we need 0 * D
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<ytti> and so forth
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<Darmani> ytti: I see.
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<Darmani> Well I guess I'll fumble through it for a bit. I'm sure I'll be back in a bit lol
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<Simbaclaws> hey all, I'm having an issue with rvm, I can't source it. It's telling me: error while reading file 'rvm'
<Simbaclaws> I want to put it in my bashrc but if it doesn't source in the first place :S....
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<Simbaclaws> hmm it seems this is an issue with fish not being able to use source on rvm correctly, I tried doing this with bash and zsh and they do seem to work
<havenwood> Simbaclaws: https://rvm.io/integration/fish
<Simbaclaws> I also saw a if statement inside of rvm that doesn't contain fish
<Simbaclaws> ah thanks havenwood
<Darmani> So I like this solution to the Roman Numeral problem but I'm not sure if I understand it all.
<havenwood> Simbaclaws: Fish doesn't try to be POSIXy so it's not going to work with bash/zsh/tcsh portable shell scripts.
<Simbaclaws> I see
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<havenwood> Simbaclaws: If you have issues with RVM there's a chruby-fish or rbenv uses shims so it might just work.
<knutmithut> Hey, I'm using ArchLinux on an Odroid running a ruby/rails application. But kinda every system upgrade breaks it, as something gets incompatible. How can I lock ruby's and gems' versions?
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<Simbaclaws> thanks I'll have a look :)
<knutmithut> I tried installing ruby from a custom package, but that now requires a patch because of something related to openssl
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<knutmithut> keeping up with the running version of ruby requires a lot of bundle updates
<Simbaclaws> hmm I'm using oh-my-fish I suppose my config is elsewhere, got to find it first :P
<Simbaclaws> I'll locate it
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<Darmani> apeiros: Could you explain this to me? When you get a chance?
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<dminuoso_> Ruby users having to fix OpenSSL things is such a common theme, it's really sad.
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<Simbaclaws> yay got it to work thanks a lot havenwood :)
<SeepingN> speaking of... where does Rails get it's ssh "known-hosts" from? does it even use such a thing at all? I have a server which stopped working a while back and I think they changed keys. Noticed it when doing it manually on bash command line.
<Simbaclaws> hmmm... I'm trying to install jekyll but it's telling me my ruby version needs to be higher then 2.0 I did rvm use 2.3.0 and ruby -v showed me I was using 2.3.0... any ideas?
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<Simbaclaws> I need it so I can check the bootstrap documentation
<Simbaclaws> need to adjust bootstrap for a personal website...
<blackbombay_> SeepingN: known hosts file includes a fingerprint of machines you've connected to via ssh. nothing to do with rails.
<Simbaclaws> nvm I failed, I installed a gem with sudo -,- stupid me
<Simbaclaws> doh >.<
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<SeepingN> blackbombay_: yes but I'm using Net:SFTP in ruby.
<SeepingN> automated uploading
<havenwood> Simbaclaws: If you end up really needing sudo with RVM see the `rvmsudo` command, which doesn't drop env. :-)
<blackbombay_> it might write to that file. still has no relation to rails tho.
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<blackbombay_> havenwood: wont that install gems as root
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<havenwood> blackbombay_: Yeah, no good for gem install but for stuff like running on port 80 if you don't want to reverse proxy or whatev.
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<Simbaclaws> hmm seems like I've got bundler installed from the repo's while I also have it installed as a gem for ruby 2.3.0, I need to use the bundler with ruby 2.3.0 but I also need sudo rights, and whenever I use sudo it uses the bundler installed from the repo's :S
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<havenwood> Simbaclaws: What's the command you're running?
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<Simbaclaws> nevermind I fixed it by changing permissions on the folder
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<billybob00> Hi, having trouble with IMAP and searching for emails..
<billybob00> is there something obvious I'm missing?
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<zenspider> billybob00: might want to take a look at imap_processor code
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