03:31 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Morning y'all :sun_with_face:

03:31 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> waz up?

03:34 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> I've just started digging in to the (web) user interface. Where can I find a list of gateway address?

03:34 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> you must be speaking of the original old network?

03:36 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> I've just created a Stellar account, so that's a view from the http://Stellar.org|Stellar.org portal

03:37 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> ok so I will still have to assume that's the old and only real money running system then

03:41 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> I'm unsure. I'll hope on over to the _start-here_ channel to Q&A

03:42 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> my data is very old on the present live network so I'm not sure any of this is acurate any more

03:43 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> I'm presently more focused on development of the new system

03:44 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Thanks for your input. Good luck with the upgrade

03:46 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> to get a real view of the old network you would need to get the original stellar node software running so you could take a close look at transactions and activity on the database

03:47 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> I failed to even be able to do that as it requires at least 8gb of mem to run

03:49 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Is the account that I've just create redundant?

03:50 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> redundant you mean absolete? I assume at some point you will be able to transfer the assets from one net to the other when they go full live on the new one

03:51 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Obsolete would be a better description.

03:51 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> but if your working to develop any software you should be running on testnet not with real money

03:51 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> wether it be on the old network or the new

03:54 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> For sure, but I'd like to experience the usability of the ecosystem, as a real-user.

03:56 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Did I onboard using the wrong portal? How do "normal" users onboard and get started?

03:57 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> that more dependent on what your plans are. it is confusing as there being two networks with one not fully live

03:58 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> but I first ended up on the old network and did my first development on that as it was the real working network

04:00 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> it was or is very stable and easy api interface as compared to the new that is more complicated with more features

04:03 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> from a normal user point of view I guess they would just want to add funds and spend them. there are funding points and there are stores and services sellers that allow payment from stellar

04:05 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> or gateway movement of funds from one point of the planet to another were your interest would be more at the gateway points of deposit and withdraw

04:13 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> but there is also the trading aspects of stellar with it's uncentralized trading platform to exchange between currencys that some users would be a part of. so without knowing your intenstions....

04:13 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Is funding not possible from the http://Stellar.org|Stellar.org portal?

04:14 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> I don't think stellar in itself is a gateway as far as I know

04:15 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> the websites in the text I gave you above are funding points

04:15 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> with the list of there stellar address and http

04:18 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> So, If you sign up for a Bitcoin account with one of the BTC merchants (online), you can create an account and buy/sell bitcoin. Where do locate gateways/merchants in my country (South Africa)?

04:21 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> I guess this is the published list of known stellar gateways https://stellartalk.org/forum/5-gateways-exchanges/

04:22 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> but I'm not sure I see one in south africa but I have heard word in the grapevine that one will be soon if not already

04:23 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> if you are now in south africa then you can be that gateway. anyone can be one

04:24 <stellar-slack> <sacarlson> to do so you just have to build trust

04:27 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Thanks again. For now, I'll try get up and running on _testnet_

04:46 <stellar-slack> <jed> mitchwongho: did you see this: https://www.stellar.org/blog/stellar-network-upgrade/

04:52 <stellar-slack> <mr_selenio> So it will change the name to lumens?

06:28 <stellar-slack> <mitchwongho> Thanks @jed . Its clearer now.

13:43 <stellar-slack> <raymens> Is there a Horizon SQL schema script to be found somewhere?

13:50 <stellar-slack> <jed> @scott ^

14:01 <stellar-slack> <raymens> I've managed to edit https://raw.githubusercontent.com/stellar/horizon/master/src/github.com/stellar/horizon/test/scenarios/base-horizon.sql somewhat so Horizon would start with a standalone stellar-node

14:03 <stellar-slack> <bartek> @raymens: you can use https://github.com/stellar/horizon-importer to create a DB. here's a command: ``` STELLAR_CORE_DATABASE_URL="postgres://username:password@localhost/stellar?sslmode=disable" DATABASE_URL="postgres://username:password@localhost/horizon_development?sslmode=disable" ./bin/rake db:batch_import_history ```

14:06 <stellar-slack> <raymens> @bartek: thanks :)

14:34 <stellar-slack> <scott> @raymens: for now, the actual schema is here: https://github.com/stellar/horizon-importer/blob/master/db/structure.sql

15:06 <stellar-slack> <raymens> @scott: great, thank you too :)

15:06 <stellar-slack> <scott> np :) happy to help

17:17 <stellar-slack> <jed> https://www.stellar.org/blog/batched-operations-multisig-simple-contracts-stellar/