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<eva> @mr_selenio: awww your dog is adorable! What kind is he/she? :dog:
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<mr_selenio> @eva :) he is a Cimarron Bayo or Cimarron Uruguayo
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<mr_selenio> Bayo is because of the color
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<mr_selenio> Because you have una with stripes (like a tiger, i dont know how to say it in english)
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<mr_selenio> One** not una
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<mr_selenio> But he's much cute that the ones you will see in google :) doesn't have the ears and tale cutted
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<mr_selenio> (Doing that is horrible, humans are beasts)
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<mr_selenio> @eva Do you have pets?
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<thanh> It's interesting that Hyperledger won this year Innotribe Startup at Sibos as a consensus of mostly bankers.
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<sacarlson> I assume they have better marketing
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<buhrmi> how do stellar / hyperledger stack up feature wise
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<buhrmi> "We are redeveloping Hyperledger as part of the acquisition of Hyper by Digital Asset Holdings. We plan to open source the reimplementation once it approaches a stable state."
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<buhrmi> .... so 0 features are useable now
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<sacarlson> more vapor ware
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<sacarlson> must have a good white paper then?
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<sacarlson> with prity pics?
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<buhrmi> i got kinda hyped when i saw they're using elixir cause i really love that language
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<buhrmi> but then i read that ...
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<buhrmi> boooo!
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<dzham> The source code they had on github was *ummm* lacking
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<buhrmi> "we took money to develop in private instead of public"
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<thanh> it's a private fork of open-core, buhmi.
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<buhrmi> i dont think that's true
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<dzham> You could create an asset, and send a payment in said asset to someone. That was about it
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<thanh> take stellar, or ripple; remove the coin and run as a private ledger;
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<dzham> No multi-sig as far as I could see
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<thanh> j/k;
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<dzham> @buhrmi: you see, that’s exactly what I told you right away.. open-core is perfect as a private ledger
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<sacarlson> see all smoke and mirrors
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<sacarlson> private markets?
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<sacarlson> 400ms transaction time
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<buhrmi> @dzham: yeah well it's supposed to be the ledger for everybody tho
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<buhrmi> not private
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<buhrmi> what use would i have of a private ledger... i'm a person, not a bank/company/business etc
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<buhrmi> hyperledger got the part with the "no native built-in currency" right tho
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<buhrmi> so there's some insight
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<dzham> but they don’t need spam protection to secure the network, since all players are known
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<sacarlson> all you need to do to be them is to hide it behind a vpn and now your system is hyper ledger only about 10 times slowers
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<buhrmi> huh how can that be possible?
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<sacarlson> ya no spam and stuf so it's a striped down version of stellar\
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<buhrmi> here's the thing
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<buhrmi> there is no spam protection
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<sacarlson> true at the present price there isn't much even on stellar live
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<buhrmi> the big spam wars of 2018 ... ripple spams stellar spams hyperledger
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<sacarlson> but stellar has the option to set only a group as trusted so it has the features that could make it run private
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<buhrmi> true
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<sacarlson> but how do they get speed of only 400ms?
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<sacarlson> biger hardware?
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<sacarlson> paralel?
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<sacarlson> what would stop stellar from setting to 400ms?
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<dzham> right now, nothing?
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<sacarlson> ok so they just changed the wait state to 400ms instead of 5 sec since they know all are good running systems I guess
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<dzham> but hyperledger is supposed to be run on small scale internal networks, so consensus should be a lot faster
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<sacarlson> ya just maybe 10 big banks or something like that. and maybe internal they run some kind of redundant or just run 3 nodes at each big bank
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<buhrmi> why would i want a ledger for a private internal network lol
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<buhrmi> just use a database
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<buhrmi> lol
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<sacarlson> ya that's no fun, but just thought we should compare to get an idea of the diff
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<sacarlson> I can see the big banks don't want to loose there place so they will support something like this. It's stellar and the like that will put all the banks out of biz and they don't like that
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<sacarlson> god forbid the people take over there rain
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<sacarlson> wow super simple so they don't have to learn anything ether
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<sacarlson> I hope there new version has more than that
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<buhrmi> well it's super easy to write a stellar cli like that
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<dzham> I did already for the old version
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<sacarlson> I'm in thailand what am I going to do with USD?
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<sacarlson> next time send me more BEER
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<sacarlson> ya the old stellar was easier also
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<dzham> a bit more powerful in some respects
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<sacarlson> the old one? more powerful?
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<dzham> yeah, the API.. in terms of access to things in the ledger, subscriptions, ...
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<dzham> I still haven’t figured out how to find the list of assets holders
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<sacarlson> I've never looked at those features
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<sacarlson> I created that on my mss-server to looks for all asset holders of any asset and any issuer of all it's present assets
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<dzham> How do I get the current tx-fee? In the old you subscribed to ledger updates, and got the fees and reserve base on each ledger close
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<sacarlson> you mean how to you set it? it's 100
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<sacarlson> you want to look in an evelope to see what it's will be sending? I have tools to look inside
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<dzham> no, I want to know what the current fee is, since it (potentially) changes every ledger
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<dzham> 100 is just the baseline
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<sacarlson> well I can tell it what I'm going to pay in ruby-stellar-base. if I don't provide it enuf it errors out
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<dzham> Yeah, you set the amount you want to pay, but then it’s up to the server to take the N highest payers
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<dzham> surge pricing
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<buhrmi> i should make a CLI like hyperledger for open-core / stellar-core
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<dzham> to prevent flooding
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<sacarlson> let me look in the database they must have a setting in there for it. if so I can write anther function that will read it and send it to the user
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<dzham> Ideally I’d get that from Horizon, so I don’t have to run my own server just for that
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<sacarlson> nope I don't see any thing in the tables of any such setting so it must be hardcoded or maybe in the config file
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<sacarlson> I recall there was a note in config about setting fee but when I greped the value to set the fee to zero I found it wasn't there
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<sacarlson> so at that time it must have been planed to have it in configs
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<sacarlson> buhrmi: should know since he changed it
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<sacarlson> so does that mean in peak that your transaction might be rejected and you will have to resend it?
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<sacarlson> otherwise just set your fee to 100. it's will be 100 years before we get that much activity
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<sacarlson> your presently defaulted to 1000 so you have nothing to fear
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<dzham> :)
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<eva> @mr_selenio: adorable! Sadly, I don’t have pets right now, but I’ll be getting a dog just as soon as I live somewhere that allows theme
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<eva> also hi, welcome @gleb!
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<mr_selenio> @eva :) nice
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