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<raymens> Has there been any work done on the privacy of transactions and accounts?
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<sacarlson> if you want privacy you would setup a private clone network
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<raymens> Well what about privacy without running a private clone network?
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<sacarlson> it's private in the sense that you don't know who it is, they are just random numbered accounts with no names
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<sacarlson> what kind of privacy do you want?
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<raymens> If I make a payment to anyone, I don't want them to know about my balance or transactions, other than the one I just sent. I might be wrong but that seems to be the case right now
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<jed> yes it is like bitcoin right now.
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<jed> we are thinking of ways to make it more private but we haven't settled on anything yet
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<sacarlson> you can pay them with another account that's not your fully banked account that was funded from some trade with no links to the other account
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<sacarlson> trust bots can also perform that function of moving funds between accounts without any visible open reasons
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<lab> there will be stellar mixing services.. :grinning:
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<sacarlson> yes you could create a mixing service with locked accounts the output back without any know source
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<raymens> Yeah I can imagine those kind of services popping up, but that's not really the kind of privacy I'm looking for. It's more like using a derived address from your public address to hide the "owner" account
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<sacarlson> these would be derived random accounts with no visible conection to your original
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<jed> raymens: you are looking for using a derived address from your public address?
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<sacarlson> not visible in the sense of looking at the stelar-core transaction logs. even time could be different when the two account apear as we have timebound transactions
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<raymens> @jed: yeah or something similar to increase the amount of privacy
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<sacarlson> oh derived from the original account, you also have the soon to be added hash(x) account
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<jed> you can do that. That is just a crytography trick to generate more keys. that doesn't have to be supported by the protocol
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<raymens> but that does mean it's a new account that has to be funded right?
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<sacarlson> so you could create hash(x+2) on your original account or some think like hash(hash(x))
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<jed> yeah it has to be funded. but it could be funded by whoever you are receiving funds from
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<sacarlson> yes it has to be funded but like we said the funds can come from a source for witch there is no know reason it comes from your original account
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<raymens> oh yeah, except that his software needs to recognize it's a non-existent account at that time and use the 'create account' with amount x instead of a payment of amount x?
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<raymens> or does the core take care of that?
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<jed> no the sender would have to. obviously not ideal which is why we are still thinking of ways to make things more private
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<raymens> it's something though, thanks :) Not sure about how the hash(x) account comes into play in all of this. But I saw an issue about that and will look into it
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<jed> I don't think that would help here
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<jed> that is to facilitate cross chain atomic swaps
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<sacarlson> I think it might find other uses, I think it's cool
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<raymens> cross chain as in with other digital currencies (not assets)?
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<jed> yeah
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<raymens> What happens to the fee of transactions, does it get destroyed? And the Inflation takes care of creating some of it back?
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<kidsthatdance> hi
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<raymens> hey
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<kidsthatdance> I just tried to move some STR from a cold wallet to a stellar wallet with curl
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<kidsthatdance> I've been away for a long time. Has something changed that could make the old method not work now?
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<kidsthatdance> that's still the address of the server?
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<jed> yeah that should still work
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<jed> what is the error?
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<kidsthatdance> ok, I'll review it then
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<kidsthatdance> "Unable to parse request"
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<jed> yeah probably just bad JSON in the request
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<kidsthatdance> maybe it's inserting some unwanted characters cause I am copying and pasting the command from somewhere where I had it written
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<kidsthatdance> I'll give it another look, thanks a lot
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<jed> you could also leave it. we will have scripts that will upgrade you to the new code base pretty soon
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<kidsthatdance> ah
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<kidsthatdance> I wasn't sure. I received the email saying that only way to upgrade would be from the stellar wallet client
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<kidsthatdance> so if there will be something to upgrade cold wallets too no need to move it
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<jed> yeah there will be
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<kidsthatdance> great, thanks for the clarification!
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<raymens> The O'reilly webcast got canceled?
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<eva> @raymens: yeah :( we may be doing a blog post for O’Reilly soon though.
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<eva> What bits were you most interested in hearing @raymens ?
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<raymens> Nothing in particular really, just the overall talk and message
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<eva> *nods*
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<raymens> The problems you encounter, the dreams you have etc. :)
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<eva> hahah oh goodness
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<eva> we definitely want to do more community-led developer hangouts, so if you wanted to host one, that’d be awesome (feel free to dm me)
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<raymens> haha, that's an oh goodness from my side
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<eva> :P
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<eva> then I’ll just be sure to keep ya posted on upcoming online hangouts
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<raymens> thanks, that would be great
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