18:50 <Gracana> Argh. I do not like the ecp5 symbols in kicad, and even if they were different I would probably still desire to customize them to fit my application. But I dread doing it. So. Many. Pins.

18:51 <Gracana> I'm using the caBGA756 part because anything that's worth doing is worth overdoing :P

18:52 <zyp> can't you just copy the existing symbol and rearrange the pins as you like?

18:52 <Zorix_> probably split into different ones

18:53 <zyp> yeah, but still, should be faster than starting from scratch

18:54 <Zorix_> I always tell people to check the digikey library for kicad, they add and improve parts in there

18:55 <Zorix_> https://www.digikey.com/en/resources/design-tools/kicad

18:55 <zyp> when I'm making large symbols (in altium though, not kicad, but I assume the workflow would be similar), I start by dropping all pins into one symbol part and get the name/numbers mapped up, then I arrange them and split them into multiple parts

18:56 <zyp> https://bin.jvnv.net/file/nhWIw.png <- even got a screenshot from when I were doing ecp5 :)

18:57 <zyp> end result: https://bin.jvnv.net/file/guBkA.png

18:58 <Zorix_> I haven't created a created a multi part symbol, only one I ever used was for a spartan 6, which was already made, and logically divided into power, configuration, and banks, so that worked for me

18:59 <Gracana> yeah zyp I like that strategy

18:59 <Gracana> although I recall the first time I tried it I made an enormous mess with the per-unit/global setting

19:00 <Gracana> Your end result looks nice.

19:03 <ktemkin> not sure what the KiCad library symbols look like for the ECP5, but both Greg Davill and I have made custom ones for e.g. OranceCrab and LUNA

19:04 <Gracana> I'm not familiar with LUNA. I do like the OrangeCrab symbols.

19:04 <ktemkin> https://github.com/greatscottgadgets/luna/blob/master/hardware/libraries/fpgas_and_processors.lib

19:05 <ktemkin> I don't know if Greg has the Lots of Pins ones in any of his projects

19:07 <Zorix_> any relation to the great scott youtube channel?

19:13 <Gracana> one thing that's cool about the big part

19:14 <Gracana> is that it's on a very large grid, and they leave a lot of spaces for vias and traces

19:15 <Gracana> TI is big on that style with their "via channel" design, and I absolutely love it. Makes it much easier to do BGA stuff with common hobby-level PCB services.

20:46 <ktemkin> Zorix_: nope

21:00 <tnt> I'm guessing both fans or BTTF maybe ?

21:00 <tnt> *of

21:37 <ktemkin> tnt: yep