#bitcoin-wizards on 2016-02-04 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2015-10-30 00:53 sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja

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07:23 <Taek> POPOW - the concept is enticing. Might help in figuring out how to get multiple different chains to share irreversibility

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12:10 <gmaxwell> On explaining accomplishments in decenteralized applications to the public: http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=4005

12:12 <wumpus> hah seems right

12:12 <fluffypony> lol

12:12 * nsh smiles

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12:19 <gmaxwell> [OT] http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-ecuador-sweden-assange-idUKKCN0VD0BJ?utm_source=twitter Assange won the UN ruling.

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12:55 <adam3us> assange: woot!

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13:00 <wumpus> finally; let's hope they actually heed it

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13:31 <adam3us> i would think it's quite embarrassing for them.

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13:56 <JackH> I believe they are above embarrassment

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14:01 <JackH> do have any overview of what miners will be moving to classic?

14:01 <JackH> now that they released their poison crapware

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14:11 <dEBRUYNE> JackH: There was a pie chart a few weeks ago, but probably outdated after Michael Toomim made quite the fool of himself

14:12 <JackH> hopefully the miners will see the light and not foolishly switch

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14:15 <dEBRUYNE> +1

14:15 <dEBRUYNE> I was suprised they managed to gather so much support that quickly

14:16 <wumpus> this is more talk for #bitcoin

14:16 * dEBRUYNE apologizes

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18:53 <zooko> adlai: ACCS is possible now!

18:53 <zooko> Isn't it?

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20:45 <bsm117532> @bramc I understand you are using a Merkle tree for your Merkle Set data type. Have you (or anyone else) investigated incremental hash functions for creating a UTXO set commitment? Any pros/cons to using that instead?

20:46 <bsm117532> ;;tell bramc I understand you are using a Merkle tree for your Merkle Set data type. Have you (or anyone else) investigated incremental hash functions for creating a UTXO set commitment? Any pros/cons to using that instead?

20:46 <gribble> Error: I haven't seen bramc, I'll let you do the telling.

20:46 <bsm117532> bah

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20:46 <fluffypony> ;;later tell bsm117532 some stuff

20:46 <gribble> The operation succeeded.

20:46 <fluffypony> ^^

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20:46 <bsm117532> thanks fluffy

20:47 <bsm117532> ;;later tell bramc I understand you are using a Merkle tree for your Merkle Set data type. Have you (or anyone else) investigated incremental hash functions for creating a UTXO set commitment? Any pros/cons to using that instead?

20:47 <gribble> The operation succeeded.

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20:47 <bsm117532> I guess I can send that directly to gribble and not put it in the channel...

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20:50 <fluffypony> bsm117532: I might be wrong, but I suspect it has to be in channel so it notifies him the next time he's in channel? nanotube will be able to tell us

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20:51 <bsm117532> fluffypony: it looks like you're right.

20:52 <bsm117532> For reference: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/cis/incremental/inchash.ps and its citations/references.

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20:53 <bsm117532> Seems like this could provide for constant time insertion/deletion from a UTXO set hash commitment, where the Merkle tree idea would be log(n) insertion and deletion.

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21:53 <nanotube> fluffypony: bsm117532: later tells can be done in pm. gribble will tell next time it sees activity from the target nick

21:53 <nanotube> even so, later tell messages should be assumed to be public, even if sent in pm.

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23:39 <adlai> zooko: ACCS has been possible for a while, although there always were and still are caveats

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