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<yoleaux>
[1702.08719] Malware Guard Extension: Using SGX to Conceal Cache Attacks
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<bsm117532>
I'm pretty disappointed SGX is getting so much traction among academics. (1) It's a misappropriation of trust to Intel and (2) the history of "secure enclaves" is not one of inclusive use. Just try to access the "secure element" on your iOS device...
<bsm117532>
Don't trust, verify.
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<tromp_>
or the way i heard it: Trust, but verify
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<bsm117532>
"Don't trust, verify" was the motto of Scaling Bitcoin HK 2015.
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<bsm117532>
I have no idea how to "verify" that Intel is using their root key powers for good and not evil.
<kanzure>
you could steal their key and use it for evil and then you can be absolutely sure
<bsm117532>
:-D
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<petertodd>
bsm117532: SGX is getting traction among academics precisely *because* non-academics aren't dumb enough to use it: that leaves a bunch of easy to publish ideas out there
<bsm117532>
"publish or perish" destroys progress and wastes otherwise valuable minds.
<petertodd>
bsm117532: +1
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<bsm117532>
Problem: Key material compromise/password theft is the most pressing cryptographic concern today; Solution: add more key material that absolutely cannot be compromised...
<waxwing>
the wosign/startcom thing is what springs to my mind
<waxwing>
have they booted them yet from main browser stores? i got rid of them ages ago :)
<bsm117532>
If only there was a way to have a giant list of pubkeys...maybe protected by PoW...
<waxwing>
bsm117532: of course my scare quotes meant sarcasm, but i was only *half* joking; that's the only way security is working, at scale, today: with ultra-trusted roots.
<waxwing>
or am i being unfair, we do now have those various messaging apps with e2e, seems like a big topic.
<bsm117532>
Was just reading about the Signal protocol (again) today. I'm going to have to dig into that...
<bsm117532>
The fly in that ointment is the use of phone numbers to onboard participants, because no one could ever fraudulently clone a cell phone number...