<micahjohnston> well that's a good way to do it in all reality
<micahjohnston> that's kind of a functional way to do exceptions
<micahjohnston> dataflow-based rather than control-flow based
<vil> yeah actually the more I think about it the cooler it gets
<vil> type checking would totally be a library thing, though, not built-in
<vil> that way if you wanted to display exceptions to the user, you wouldn't even need to do anything
<vil> it would just propogate to the UI portion eventually
<vil> you just have to provide a sensible message
<vil> that probably wouldn't usually be the best way to do it, but you could
<vil> and you could totally do it so that you could trace it back through the chain
<vil> return a slightly modified version each time that pointed to the previous one
<vil> I like this a lot
<vil> micahjohnston: I still can't figure out a good way to "wrap" messages
<vil> like for a before-action or something
<alexgordon> done
<alexgordon> I think
<alexgordon> behold, femtofurrow!
<vil> alexgordon: it's beautiful
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> it is actually
<alexgordon> json + functional programming
<alexgordon> :P
<micahjohnston> well furrow is an apt na,e
<micahjohnston> name
<micahjohnston> :p
<alexgordon> :D
<alexgordon> as long as it saves me from writing so much C++, that's success enough for me
<alexgordon> but really I'm more interested in writing a standard library in it
<alexgordon> that's where the real innovations will be
<alexgordon> like paws really
<alexgordon> the language itself is just a vehicle to change the world with the code written in it
<alexgordon> ;)
<micahjohnston> lol
<purr> lol
<vil> micahjohnston: how would you feel about messages propogating in an "umbrella" shape?
<vil> micahjohnston: like, they go up to the top from where you are in the tree, and then reflect back down onto all the other branches
<vil> that way you could control what comes out of your children
<vil> Cascade really needs to have built-in permissions
<alexgordon> come on russian torrent
<vil> not sure of the best way to accomplish that
<micahjohnston> vil: how would that work, actual-code-wise?
<vil> so like, if you have a destroyEverything method in a module, like potatos.stuff
<vil> and potatoes is somewhere in the overall program tree
<vil> the message destroyEverything would go up through stuff, then potatoes, then up to whatever is above that, etc
<vil> and potatoes could match it, and "capture" it to stop it from propogating
<vil> hmmm how would the capture work though
<vil> darn it
<alexgordon> mmm
<alexgordon> what have I missed
<alexgordon> no idea how to do modules
<vil> alexgordon: my incoherent rambling about things I don't understand :D
<alexgordon> like imports and stuff
<vil> it's not really an import
<vil> you just glue stuff on whereever you want
<vil> sort of like require() in node
<alexgordon> no no for femtofurrow
<vil> oh
<vil> we were saying the same words and I got confused
<vil> :D
<alexgordon> :P
<alexgordon> C++ is so fucked in this area
<alexgordon> and C++11 provides no help
<vil> micahjohnston: really, I'm more interested in using Cascade primarily interactively than anything else
<vil> I think that's where it's power if
<vil> *is
<vil> hence a Cascade shell, etc
<vil> I've got even crazier plans, but those will have to wait until I have it better fleshed-out
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<alexgordon> so problem with C++ is
<micahjohnston> literally every part
<micahjohnston> like the premise
<vil> ^^
<alexgordon> haha
<alexgordon> the problem with C++ is: literally every part
<micahjohnston> and I'm really not joking
<vil> alexgordon: wat.
<purr> beep.
<micahjohnston> like you can have a language which accomplishes exactly the same things perfectly
<micahjohnston> that is 10,000% better
<alexgordon> I'm so lost
<alexgordon> what are you talking about micahjohnston
<micahjohnston> ok like
<alexgordon> who are you talking to
<micahjohnston> everyone who justifies c++ is like
<alexgordon> me?
<alexgordon> ok
<alexgordon> not sure if you were talking about cascade or C++
<micahjohnston> WELL YOU NEED CONTROL AS WELL AS ABSTRACTION
<micahjohnston> C++
<micahjohnston> yeah
<micahjohnston> but it's like
<alexgordon> yeah it sucks
<micahjohnston> you start with the clusterfuck that is C
<alexgordon> thing is
<alexgordon> how many compiled languages are there?
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<micahjohnston> its type system, its syntax, the preprocessor, basically everything
<alexgordon> Fortran, C, C++, Haskell, (OCa)ml, Go
<alexgordon> Pascal
<alexgordon> that's basically it
<alexgordon> not much of a choice :P
<micahjohnston> rust
<micahjohnston> is promising
<alexgordon> not stable yet though
<micahjohnston> :p
<micahjohnston> yeah
<micahjohnston> ocaml's compiled, right?
<alexgordon> yeah but Haskell, OCaml and Go have GCs
<alexgordon> which rules them out of a lot of places
<alexgordon> like games
<alexgordon> C++ may be shit, but compared to Fortran it's a saint :P
<micahjohnston> nah at least fortran can parallelize array operations
<alexgordon> anyway, the problem I'm having with C++ is, if a function is templated, then it must be declared before any code that uses it
<alexgordon> which means you can't have mutually recursive polymorphic functions, I don't think?
<alexgordon> actually not sure if that's true
<alexgordon> since a polymorphic function is not the same as a polymorphic data structure
<alexgordon> maybe you *can* forward declare them
<micahjohnston> and those problems are literally because of the stupid-ass terms in which they specify the parser
<alexgordon> yes
<alexgordon> I know
<alexgordon> not defending it, jeez
<alexgordon> you of all people should know that I of all people know of all the people the problems C++ of all languages has, of all
<vil> I tried to read that sentence like three times before I realized
<alexgordon> dammit
<alexgordon> doesn't seem you can do it
<micahjohnston> :p
<alexgordon> oh well
<alexgordon> will just have to imagine you can
<alexgordon> then if it goes tits up blame the user
<alexgordon> which brings me back to modules
<alexgordon> can just use header files and namespaces I guess
<alexgordon> at least until proper C++ modules hit
<alexgordon> put everything in a "module" in a namespace
<alexgordon> then use using decls to grab the bits you want, or using namespace modulename; for the whole thing
<alexgordon> and import will be like #include
<alexgordon> wow I have no clue how namespaces actually work
<gqbrielle> vil: okay i really want to RT that thing about the guy getting suspended for the snow call thing..............but it ends with, "YOLO, i guess."
<vil> gqbrielle: yeah
<gqbrielle> i did anyway.
<gqbrielle> shivering with dislike the while.
<vil> worth it
<vil> OK, I think I figured out this tree traversal
<vil> nope nevermind
<vil> I feel really dumb because this seems like it should be obvious
<Nuck> PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS PENIS
<vil> THAT'S IT
<vil> System.out.println("PENIS");
<gqbrielle> lolllll
<purr> lol
<Nuck> "you of all people should know that I of all people know of all the people the problems C++ of all languages has, of all"
<Nuck> WTF alexgordon
<vil> I shoud've wat'd that, didn't think to
<alexgordon> Nuck: you of all people should know that I of all people know of all the people the problems c++ of all languages has, of all
<vil> alexgordon: wat.
<purr> beep.
<vil> that works
<alexgordon> :P
<Nuck> Also
<vil> hmmm, can't quite fit the end of a whiteboard marker in my nostril
<Nuck> You missed a compiled language
<Nuck> vil: wat
<vil> wait
<vil> what the fuck am I doing
<Nuck> Wait forgot the dot
<vil> hah
<Nuck> Too lazy to remember the other syntax
<Nuck> alexgordon: There's another compiled language
<Nuck> Obj C
<vil> I think it's mention: "quote" wat.
<gqbrielle> oh my GOD
<alexgordon> Nuck: haha, dammit
<gqbrielle> asdiaoisygoiaysg
<gqbrielle> fuckin' brodwags in fedoras
<alexgordon> brodwags?
<Nuck> Technically, while it was originally just C macros now it's a full language
<alexgordon> strezas?
<gqbrielle> also brodawgs.
<Nuck> WTF is a brodwag?
<Nuck> Oh
<gqbrielle> hahaha
<vil> alexgordon: I mentally favorited this
<alexgordon> what?
<Nuck> gqbrielle: Tell them to go buttchug a forty
<gqbrielle> hahaha i should
<Nuck> "HEY BRO WHY DONTCHA GO BUTTCHUG A FORTY YOU FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG"
<vil> alexgordon: "strezas"
<Nuck> vil: "hmmm, can't quite fit the end of a whiteboard marker in my nostril" wat.
<purr> beep.
<alexgordon> vil: oh right. yeah sstreza perma-ragequited from another channel because someone insulted his fedora...
<Nuck> Success.
<vil> dammit
<vil> alexgordon: lolol
<purr> lol
<Nuck> I think we need a voting mechanism for the best wats
<vil> Nuck: I concur
* alexgordon finds the transcript
<vil> somebody halp
<gqbrielle> alexgordon: oh god
<vil> I need to finish this and I'm too dumb
<gqbrielle> a;soigya;soigy
<gqbrielle> you guys know about his twitter avatar right?
<gqbrielle> pony wearin' a fedora?
<vil> yeah
<gqbrielle> with a tiny little Pedo Mustache?
<vil> now an alicorn
<gqbrielle> oh JESUs are o;aiys; dg you serious
<Nuck> elliottc1ble: Can I get uptodate database dumps or an API or something for wats?
<Nuck> Who?
<alexgordon> dammit I don't have logs :(
<Nuck> vil: Dafuq is an alicorn?
<Nuck> alexgordon: I have sticks.
<gqbrielle> alexgordon: you have failed us.
<vil> unicorn + pegasus
<alexgordon> :(
<vil> Nuck: Princess Celestia is one
<alexgordon> wonder if jeanni has them
<Nuck> Who the fuck is Princess Incestia?
<gqbrielle> basically Dis Guy messaged me on OKC congratulating me for being 'the only woman [he's] seen on here' to 'admit' to likeing tabletop gaming
<vil> that's actually a thing too because r34
<gqbrielle> *molestia
<gqbrielle> I MEAN
<gqbrielle> i have no idea
* gqbrielle clueless/naive
<Nuck> vil: FUTANARI CATBUG
<vil> Nuck: NO GO AWAY
<vil> gqbrielle: yeah totally
<vil> gqbrielle: uh-huh
<gqbrielle> Nuck: lacking in tits and/or dick. i'm disappointed in you, Nuck.
<vil> gqbrielle: but I think both exist actually
<gqbrielle> vil: o rly? hm.
<Nuck> What is lacking in them, gqbrielle?
<Nuck> I didn't link anything
<gqbrielle> oh, vil linked that. nvm.
<vil> lol
<purr> lol
<gqbrielle> SHADDUP I'M DRUNK.
<Nuck> vil: That's a unicorn with gay-ass wings >:C
<vil> that was just an example alicorn
<micahjohnston> vil: wait where did wings come from
<Nuck> I bet it buttsexes with a fridgemobile
<vil> micahjohnston: season 3 finale dawg
<micahjohnston> haven't watched
<vil> SPOILERS
<micahjohnston> more than like
<micahjohnston> a bit of s1 and a bit of s3
<micahjohnston> s2*
<gqbrielle> i think i watched like half of s1
<gqbrielle> thanks to tumblr i'm up on all the haps, however
<vil> yeah she got all princess-y
<gqbrielle> i know Spoilers for like 10 shows i don't even watch
<Nuck> I think I've watched like 5 seconds
<Nuck> And that was linkbait
<alexgordon> ass wings?
<Nuck> Well that's actually accurate too
<gqbrielle> oh also said guy's okc profile included a large note about how he is Not A Creeper
<vil> that's probably a thing too
<gqbrielle> methinks the dude doth protest too much
<Nuck> As the wings are technically on her butt ish
<Nuck> gqbrielle: "Jonah Falcon may have the world's biggest penis... but he also has time for more ordinary pursuits. "
<Nuck> Now THAT is an OKC profile
<gqbrielle> such as tabletop gaming ON...his penis...because it's the size of a table
<gqbrielle> [NERD] LADIESSSSSSSS???????????????????
<Nuck> Enjoy the creepy pics
<Nuck> And some of the awesome headlines
<Nuck> "John Falcon's Long, Troubled Road"
<gqbrielle> wow, dat face.
* vil debates clicking
<gqbrielle> lol evil spike.
<purr> lol
<gqbrielle> vil: no nsfw thus far...
<Nuck> "Giant Sex Organ, No Job: Catching Up With Jonah Falcon"
<gqbrielle> that is the serialkillerest face i have ever seen on the internets
<gqbrielle> and the competition has been....ahem....stiff
<vil> wow
<vil> wow
<vil> HOW DO I BINARY SEARCH TREE
* vil bashes his face into the wall
<Nuck> ssume)
<vil> what?
<Nuck> ssume)
<Nuck> You heard me.
<vil> ...right
<Nuck> But no, I was trying to say Binary Search Trees are easy as hell, especialyl in C (and C++ I assume)
<vil> I have the tree implemented
<Nuck> Then what's the problem?
<vil> I have to do getRange()
<Nuck> get... Range?
<Nuck> Also what language is this? :slow:
<vil> return a list of all the entries between two values
<vil> e.g. getRange(17, 24)
<vil> Java
<Nuck> brb killing myself
<vil> yep
<Nuck> Oh wow
<Nuck> Apparently Weechat as a /redraw command
<vil> that's cool
<Nuck> That's useful to know, for when ncurses blows up
<vil> irssi does too but I'm not convinced that it does anything
<Nuck> vil: Oh didja see I forked oh-my-zsh and am building my own thing? :D
<vil> nice
<Nuck> I call it "zilsh" because it does zilch for you.
<Nuck> Comes with... nothing
<Nuck> That's the glory of it.
<vil> Nuck: you should help me figure this out
<Nuck> vil: Well, just recurse up the tree from the leaf node at the start, and go down at each level on any > routes
<vil> that's what I was thinking
<vil> but also need to include the right subtree, which could contain the stop value
<vil> so many edge cases
<Nuck> Or you could modify the node find
<vil> I feel like there should be a smooth way to do it
<Nuck> So basically, instead of recursing and checking which path to take, you'd store the greaterthans
<vil> I'm using find() to get the initial node
<vil> oh?
<vil> but like
<vil> ugh
<Nuck> Or better yet
<Nuck> Just jack off onto a napkin
<Nuck> And turn that in
<vil> much better time complexity
<Nuck> Yeah that's something like O(face)
<Nuck> ALL THE PUNS
<vil> lol
<purr> lol
<Nuck> I'd like to note that that's also how I see Big O Tires
<Nuck> O(Tires)
<vil> I can't waste any more time on this
<vil> I have a C program due in a week
<Nuck> Like I said
<Nuck> Cum on a piece of paper
<Nuck> Write "O( )" around the splat
<Nuck> And turn it in
<vil> that would be hard to submit to the autograder
<Nuck> Submit a PSD
<vil> hahahaha
<Nuck> Er, PDF
<Nuck> I'm pretty sure it'll let you type in a blob of semen if you shoot a load on your keyboard.
<Nuck> You should try it.
<vil> and unbelievable, I can't find a single example of this on the Internet
<vil> *unbelievably
<vil> yeah I'm not going to try that
<vil> I can do it in O(n)
<vil> but it's supposed to be O(log n + m)
<vil> where m is the number of matches
<vil> "infinite data structures can often be easily defined and worked with, though they are not (strictly) evaluated, as this would take infinite time"
<vil> no shit, wikipedia
<vil> guys how do become a Real Pogrammer™ what can figure this stuff out
<Nuck> vil: You don't because Java is for faggots.
<vil> IT'S NOT MY FAULT
<Nuck> WHICH IS WHY YOU SHOULD SHOOT UP CANADA.
<Nuck> Also, yay
<Nuck> I got escape sequences working using the Zsh builtin colors module such that if it is enabled, it'll add colors but if it's not enabled it just prints black and white
<vil> nice
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<Nuck> Hrm
<Nuck> I need to figure out a folder structure which is better than oh-my-zsh's
<Nuck> I'm thinking of going the tmBundle approach of bundling everything you need for a given language (or in this case, application) into one folder that can be distributed
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<alexgordon> do love /// \\\ as block comments, I think this is my finest innovation
<alexgordon> nests easily, no lexical conflicts, and it LOOKs imposing, it really gets your attention
<alexgordon> // Section A \\\
<alexgordon> // Section A \\\
<alexgordon> dammit
<alexgordon> stop eating my slashes textual
<alexgordon> /// Section A \\\
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<vil> GOT IT
<vil> ALL YOUR ALGORITHM ARE BELONG TO ME
<vil> alexgordon: that's interesting
<vil> alexgordon: trade ya, here's my whiteboard scribbles: http://cl.ly/NqK6
<alexgordon> lolol
<purr> lol
<vil> except change "skip parent of right" to "iterate up until parent of left"
<alexgordon> even more incomprehensible than micahjohnston
<vil> ACHIEVEMENT UNLOCKED
<vil> whoa C++ code inline wat
<alexgordon> ?
<alexgordon> oh
<alexgordon> never used coffeescript?
<vil> nope
<vil> I've seen a bit
<vil> never looked into it
<vil> allows inline JS?
<alexgordon> in coffeescript you can do `foo` to do inline js
<vil> nice
<alexgordon> but that syntax is hard to see
<alexgordon> so I'm using {{ }}
<vil> (x for x in y) where x is a function?
<vil> the first one anyway?
<Nuck> Wooo making progress
<Nuck> Got an idea of how I want to package up plugins for zsh
<Nuck> Into things I'm calling zshbundles, a name I totally stole from textmate bundles
<Nuck> Each one is just a folder structure that roughly correlates with a full oh-my-zsh install (which makes backwards compatibility with oh-my-zsh easy — just dump them in a bundle together)
<Nuck> I'll maintain that compatibility and iterate from there
<Nuck> First addition will be support for zsh highlighters
<alexgordon> vil: x is an item in the list
<alexgordon> not used python?
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<vil> nope
<alexgordon> it's a list comprehension
<Nuck> Even I can understand a list comprehension
<alexgordon> should really be [x for x in y]
<vil> oh ok, these are neat
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<alexgordon> could probably implement this in a weekend
<alexgordon> it's pretty minimal
<alexgordon> just frontend + lexer + parser + sema + module resolution + codegen
<alexgordon> anybody want to help me put "made a programming language in a weekend" on their CV? :P
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<Nuck> Man
<Nuck> Zshell configuration is a massive clusterfuck right now
<Nuck> You've got the template-based systems like oh-my-zsh and prezto, and then you've got the huge-ass bundle of zillions of completions as zsh-completions
<malia> ..
<Nuck> ...
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<malia> hi Nuck sorry was called away
<malia> now I am going to watch a movie ..catch U next time
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<Nuck> bahahahaha
<Nuck> That's possibly the best error message ever, thanks StackOverflow
<Nuck> "merge is not possible because you have unmerged files"
<Nuck> Newbies find the best edgecases
<Nuck> In other news, Zilsh is doing fucking AWESOME, and I'm thinking of features I could add eventually
<micahjohnston> hi
<purr> micahjohnston: hi!
<Nuck> Like, I'm wondering if it's possible to use GNU Parallel in loading all the bundles
<Nuck> But that depends heavily on whether ZShell will explode from unthreadsafety or something
<Nuck> Or even if I'd be able to access it... IDK exactly how GNU Parallel works, if it's using subshells then I'm probably fucked
<Nuck> Woooo, first screenshot of Zilsh, showing the sexy-ass logging: http://cl.ly/image/0W0M101z4309
<Nuck> Sorta had to deviate from my plans
<Nuck> Instead of being perfectly compatible with oh-my-zsh or prezto (one or the other, can't do both well), I decided I'm just making wrapper bundles which I'll write up before release
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<micahjohnston> gnight :p
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<micahjohnston> most boring night ever
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<micahjohnston> hi alexgordon
<alexgordon> hi micahjohnston
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<micahjohnston> cool
<vil> hi micahjohnston, alexgordon
<micahjohnston> hi vil
<vil> micahjohnston: I made an algorithm!
<vil> and I think it even works!
<micahjohnston> vil: cool, what kind?
<vil> tree traversal
<vil> getting a range of nodes
<micahjohnston> cool
<micahjohnston> binary trees?
<vil> yep
<vil> AVl
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<gqbrielle> hello nerds
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<alexgordon> sup gqbrielle
<gqbrielle> rejoicing in the lack of a hangover
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<whitequark> anyone here familiar with OS kernel design theory?
<whitequark> I just came up with an interesting comparison
<whitequark> *analogy
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<vil> god dammit
<vil> homebrew consistantly fails me
<vil> and there's nothing I can do about it
<vil> because I can't even install Xcode on my 10.6 server
<whitequark> $ ./configure && make && make install
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<devyn> this is bloody wonderful
<Nuck> whitequark: That *would* work if he had a compiler
<Nuck> But he's running OS X
<Nuck> Which doesn't ship with GCC, you have to install XCode for that
<Nuck> Also, vil, why not just manually install XCode on it?
<Nuck> Like, put the files in place? Or if that fails, compile gcc against it and drop the stuff in /bin
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<vil> Nuck: I've got all the tools installed
<vil> Nuck: not sure what the issue is
<vil> it looks like it's expecting xcodebuild, which of course isn't a think
<vil> *thing
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<vil> I can't even install the command line tools anymore
<vil> ugh
<vil> I'm wiping this thing and installing linux over the summer
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<vil> hi micahjohnston
<vil> hi abumirqaan
<vil> though I don't know who you are
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<vil> building from source!
<Nuck> vil: You should totally use Arch, we're awesome
<Nuck> JOIN US
<vil> Nuck: probably will, actually
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<vil> assuming I'm smart enough to get it to run
<FireFly> Oh, just follow beginners' and/or the official install guide, and you'll be set
<Nuck> Yeah
<Nuck> I actually did a dry run in a VM, which enabled me to work out many of my issues beforehand
<Nuck> So later installs were easy, I already knew the pitfalls
<Nuck> The hard part is probably gonna be configuring your EFI on it
<Nuck> Since it's a Mac, right?
<devyn> Nuck: well you can use it with the BIOS compatibility layer if you want. I have before, and there's no drop in performance by doing so, but there's some extra configurability to be had by having the EFI interface available
<devyn> there are several EFI bootloaders that work just fine though, supposedly
<devyn> also boot times are better with straight up EFI; BIOS compatibility layer takes a bit of time to get started for some reason
<vil> yeah, it's a Mac
<vil> I'd like to play with something that isn't GRUB anyway
<Nuck> devyn: There's EFISTUB
<Nuck> You don't even need a bootloader anymore
<Nuck> vil: It's basically either EFISTUB or GRUB2; syslinux doesn't support EFI
<vil> alright
<vil> what the fuck
<vil> the manual compile failed THE EXACT SAME WAY
<Nuck> needed xcodebuild?
<vil> yep
<vil> I hate everything
<Nuck> What are you trying to compile?
<vil> valgrind
<Nuck> Weird
<vil> this happens every time I try to compile something
<vil> weird shit with no explanation
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<vil> Nuck: unrelated, but does running less cause your tmux status bar to freak out?
<Nuck> YES
<Nuck> Finally somebody with the same error
<vil> oh good, not just me
<vil> so weird
<Nuck> vil: Use more and it works fine
<Nuck> Wait
<vil> yeah, I know
<Nuck> vil: Are you using my tmux configs?
<Nuck> If so, then it's probably a configuration error :/
<vil> Nuck: no
<Nuck> Okay, good
<Nuck> Wasn't sure, I know you raided all our dotfiles a while back
<vil> I think tmux is the one thing I started basically from scratch
<vil> yeah
<vil> mostly elliottc1ble
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<vil> I have his irssi config
<Nuck> I started from scratch on all of mine
<vil> but no, this has been happening since I started using tmux
<Nuck> Who is AP, are they the Associated Press, the Advanced Placement, or Anal Porn?
<vil> I really need to redo the irssi one, it's a disaster
<vil> or all of the above
<Nuck> Just switch to weechat, we're better
<AP> All of the above
<Nuck> awesome
* vil high-fives AP
<Nuck> AP: I love your pornews
<AP> Can anyone help this mongo with some C++
* vil pokes alexgordon
* Nuck pokes alexgordon
<Nuck> hahaha
* vil pokes Nuck
<Nuck> "C++? Oh that's Alex's domain"
<Nuck> vil: Speaking of dotfiles I'm so excite.
<vil> making progress
<Nuck> My framework for zsh configs is almost done
<vil> ?
<vil> nice
<vil> is it up on github already?
<Nuck> Should be able to Show HN in a day or two
<Nuck> vil: Yeah NuckChorris/zilsh
<Nuck> It's on a brnach though
<Nuck> The feature/zilsh branch
<Nuck> I've gotta finish up the wrappers for oh-my-zsh and prezto (just bundles which include them as submodules and load them up, basically) but then I'll be able to push back to release
<vil> wtf
<vil> xcodebuild is even installed
<vil> but I can't point xcode-select at / or it hangs forever
<vil> godammithell apple
<vil> I'll symlink /Developer/usr/bin to /usr/bin and see what happens
<Nuck> Woah
<vil> that seems to hang it as well
<Nuck> Just read that
<Nuck> Mindfuckery.
<Nuck> And I'm not 100% sure I'm okay with it
<vil> oh yeah, I've heard of that
<vil> TBH I'm not too concerned about it
<vil> not going to have a crisis of identity or anything if we are
<Nuck> What I'm curious is
<Nuck> what if there is no real world
<Nuck> What if it's only infinite nested simulations
<Nuck> A similar question to "what are quarks made of"
<alexgordon> back
<alexgordon> making chips
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<vil> alexgordon: AP requires your assistance
<alexgordon> Anal Porn?
<alexgordon> fire away
<AP> Oh hi
<alexgordon> Hi Mr Jeremy
<AP> heres the garbage I have so far: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/390e35ebfb1c079c9675
<alexgordon> btw I have 10 minutes while my potatoes are drying then it's frying time
<AP> I'm lost at isValid, Im not sure how to properly use .size and the like
<Nuck> alexgordon: Ooooh you're making chips?
<Nuck> Gimme gimme
<alexgordon> I will give you a photo when I'm done :P
<alexgordon> by chips I mean, chips
<alexgordon> not crisps
<alexgordon> but chips
<Nuck> Oh
<Nuck> Fuck that
<Nuck> I want crisps
<alexgordon> chips
<Nuck> Fucking brits
<alexgordon> CHIPS
<alexgordon> AP: what's wrong with it?
<alexgordon> Nuck: why would you want crisps over chips?
<AP> I've been throwing a cout under the if statment to see if it's working but it's not showing up.
<Nuck> alexgordon: I want crisps right now, fresh spiral-sliced potato CHIPS, with pepper
* Nuck drools
<alexgordon> AP: nothing in that file calls isValid()
<Nuck> I had those once, at Taste Of Chicago, from some bar named for a former sports guy
<Nuck> that was something ike 5 years ago, and I still remember the taste
<alexgordon> Nuck: you need to try some of my chips, bitch
<AP> Uh
<AP> I thought L16 was
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<alexgordon> nope
<alexgordon> line 16 is a declaration
<alexgordon> though it's seriously weird to put it there
<alexgordon> esp since it's already declared above
<alexgordon> see? line 16 is exactly like line 8
<Nuck> alexgordon: GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME >:C
<AP> Oh.
<AP> So
<Nuck> alexgordon: I demand that you make me these chips.
<AP> Ok.
<AP> What do I need to change it to so it accepts the parameter phoneNumber?
<alexgordon> well
<alexgordon> enterPhoneNumber returns a string
<AP> My brain is farting
<alexgordon> so stick that in a variable
<alexgordon> season. done.
<AP> Something like str1 = phoneNumber?
<AP> Nevermind, figured that out.
<AP> Done brain farting.
<dnyy> these jerks didn't email me to say i lost the remix contest
<dnyy> so i've had this track as private on soundcloud for like 2 months for no reason
<AP> poke alexgordon
<Nuck> dnyy: Who one, Skrillex?
<Nuck> *won
<dnyy> probably, they didn't even announce a winner as far as i know
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<vil> dnyy: which contest?
<dnyy> this random one i found on remixcomps
<dnyy> they were supposed to announce the winner on march 10th
<vil> ah
<dnyy> but it sucks because, while i thought it was good a couple of months ago, it sounds terrible now due to amount of shit learned since then
<vil> that's good, means you're doing something right
<vil> I haven't gotten to the point where I think any of mine sounds good to start with
<vil> just remembered that I have a copy of Xcode 3.2's folder backed up on my external. Maybe I should toss that in there and see what happens.
<dnyy> it probably does, i thought everything i made sucked for a while
<dnyy> but other people like it, so i try not to be a downer
<vil> ooh! even better, I have the 4.2.1 installer!
<vil> dnyy: I haven't even finished a whole track yet, I get annoyed with how some aspect is turning out and start over
<vil> and I lack inspiration, but that's another issue entirely
<dnyy> 90% of my soundcloud is 40s loops because finishing a song is hard
<vil> yeah it is
<vil> I can make cool sounds, but I sure as hell can't put them together
<dnyy> i just get bored before it's anywhere near finished
<vil> dammit 4.2.1 requires Lion
<vil> stupid past me
<vil> ...and of course xcodebuild wants all of the frameworks in place
<vil> GOD BLOBBIN' STICK GOD BLOBBIN' SWAMP
<dnyy> stupid present me
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<vil> FUCK
<vil> just rm -rf'd the wrong thing
<vil> I don't think it actually got anything though
<vil> nothing irreplaceable in any case
<alexgordon> I hate desktop software
<alexgordon> so fragile
<alexgordon> so many bugs
<alexgordon> compilers are so much nicer
<alexgordon> text goes in, binary goes out. Never a miscommunication.
<AP> alexgordon
<alexgordon> mm?
<AP> I solved my previous problem with the function, but the c-string doesnt work.
<AP> if (phoneNumber.size() != 8 && phoneNumber.size() != 11)
<alexgordon> looks fine to me
<AP> Should be for values that aren't 8 and 11 correct?
<alexgordon> of length
<AP> Yes
<AP> Thats what I meant
<AP> I put a cout statement after it to see if it was working but it doesnt show up.
<alexgordon> did you put one before it?
<alexgordon> to see if it's getting that far
<AP> I can now
<AP> The statement is still showing up against the parameters set
<AP> when the length is not 8 or 11
<AP> the cout before is showing though
<alexgordon> what's your code?
<AP> Sorry about the poor tabbing
<alexgordon> oh, you need curly brackets
<AP> Where?
<alexgordon> the status = 1; is not part of the if