<whitequark>
(well, not at the tweet, at the problem)
<thaytan>
ah, the Windows console
<whitequark>
the deadlock happens on linux too
<whitequark>
but you have to use os.read because of windows
<whitequark>
i.e. if i only cared about linux i could fix the deadlock by using loop.add_reader or sth directly
<d1b2>
<theorbtwo> What's the best way to get a Glasgow with reasonable turnaround at present? Do my own jlcpcb and then get somebody local to do the last bit of soldering that jlc won't do for me?
<Twix>
solder it yourself in a pizza oven. That is what i did :)
<tomtastic>
With a pizza oven, at least you can make pizza after it all goes wrong.
<Twix>
but you do not want to use the same pizza oven, you do pcbs in, for pizza anymore
<hell__>
why not?
<tomtastic>
haha
<Twix>
i would suggest to use solder paste with lead in it. Its much easier to get it soldered. But even you use lead free solder, the chemicals are not really healthy ...
<Twix>
another way would be, to find ~10 people who also want glasgow boards and just order them by some pcba service. The company i work for ordered 10 glasgows for around 1200 €(if i remember correctly). 120 € per board is a quite reasonable price, i think.
<hell__>
economies of scale
<Twix>
but if you want to solder it yourself and you are concerned about the bga, at least with lead solder paste the bga was the only part i had no problems with :D
<tomtastic>
So,... make 10 pizzas _first_ in the oven, _then_ solder your board.
<Twix>
that would work, i don't think that the solder process is disturbed by cheese smell
<Twix>
:)
<tomtastic>
Glasgow revD - Cheese Proof.
<tomtastic>
Is the LVDS getting dropped for later revs ?
<tomtastic>
What kind of things was it going to be used for ?
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<whitequark>
tomtastic: revC and revD coexist
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<noopwafel>
the time requirement to solder up boards is quite significant
<noopwafel>
120eur/board sounds pretty great in comparison
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<gruetzkopf>
if i had any clue where i ADHD'd my revB i'd go bitrot-test my UV-EPROM collection
<MadHacker>
(It's me that posted about bitrotting them on twitter)
<MadHacker>
Also so does just a slightly-too-short cycle in a normal eraser.
<MadHacker>
Bunnie did a whole thing with bouncing low-angle UV as a way to erase the protection bits on windowed uC's if I remember right. :)
<MadHacker>
FWIW most of my 1980s and 1990s 2764s and 27128s are quite robust and don't need rewritten often, but my older 2516s seem to need rewritten relatively more regularly.
<MadHacker>
I don't think I've seen a 27256 go dodgy through aging alone yet.
<MadHacker>
Well, 27C256. I don't think I have any non-C.
<whitequark>
MadHacker: so far the only thing i have that actually bitrotted is Atmel 29C flash circa 1995
<whitequark>
and it's well, not actually bitrot
<whitequark>
it seems to be some sort of actual silicon degradation
<whitequark>
because rewrites don't fix it
<gruetzkopf>
they have old (but uninteresting to me) data on them
<MadHacker>
whitequark: Bits sticking at 0 or 1?
<MadHacker>
Normally 1 is the erased state, and you might recover by repeated re-erasure if you're lucky.
<MadHacker>
If they're stuck at 1 I have no idea.
<whitequark>
MadHacker: i don't know for sure yet
<whitequark>
i think at 0, but i'm still investigating the exact behaivor
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