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<lgierth>
jbenet: oh hey we want to have ipfs.io/api to, right? in addition to /ipfs and /ipns
* lgierth
about to be ready to switch over
<lgierth>
178.62.158.247 ipfs.io in /etc/hosts to see it in action
<mappum>
hm, i was doing analysis on my daemon logs, and i found that the key 'QmY3JoJVMGJDKPwpbQuyZ4Zgs7zptCbCBjSe3Szj33uFHS' is being requested very often by many different peers, but it seems that it isn't accessible
<mappum>
it was requested thousands of times in an hour
<jbenet>
interesting.
<jbenet>
lgierth: yeah we probably need ipfs.io/api too
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] jbenet pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/vG5VV
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/master cada7a3 Michael Muré: fix swaped argument in rabin.go...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/master b86c5c8 Juan Benet: Merge pull request #1646 from MichaelMure/fix_argument_swap...
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] jbenet deleted fix/repo-panic at 71d2ab1: http://git.io/vG5VD
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<jbenet>
lgierth: nice work with ipfs.io :)
<lgierth>
thanks :) let's finally flip the switch!
* daviddias
flips the switch... the world goes dark
<daviddias>
:P
<daviddias>
so, no more 'gateway.'? Woo! ^5 lgierth
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<lgierth>
and no more github pages!
<whyrusleeping>
well, didnt expect it to work, but i got half life running on my oculus on linux in about 10 minutes
<whyrusleeping>
only downside is that it crashed ten minutes in because of some steam bullshit
<jbenet>
lgierth, got an nginx "504 timeout" on a hash that's not there. looks like nginx is bailing early. not sure whether we should?
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: tried a duckjump yet?
<whyrusleeping>
duckjump?
<daviddias>
I think I will do a quick write up about encoders/decoders and why when there is no sample rate, how encoding and decoding should be deterministic and the idempotent if the two are applied dec(enc(x)). Realised today that (adding to node-cbor), JSON.stringify and JSON.parse also have this problem, simply because 'Buffers' aren't part of the JS spec
<lgierth>
jbenet: mh yeah! should remove that timeout and rely on ipfs' context expiry
<daviddias>
whyrusleeping: don't curse about steam, they are making the Linux ecosystem more interesting :D
<daviddias>
whyrusleeping: but that sounds fun, I heard one of the best VR experiences is minecraft
<whyrusleeping>
daviddias: not cursing about steam at all, its great!
<whyrusleeping>
i game primarily on linux now because of steam
<jbenet>
daviddias: yeah wow. though JSON.stringify says it's going to dump/toString things that arent standard json
<daviddias>
also, in Codebits last year, I had the chance of using Oculus on a replica of a TRON bike and play the TRON light bike game, it was so cool! It had Daft Punk in the bg and everything
<lgierth>
haha
<jbenet>
pro tip: if things don't resolve on ipfs..
<jbenet>
turn on your daemon.
<daviddias>
jbenet: it dumps out the Buffer, but writes it in a {type: Buffer, data: [...]} that JSON.parse assumes is a normal obj and doesn't convert to Buffer <...> again
<daviddias>
jbenet: ahaha that could be our timeout message
<jbenet>
daviddias: yeah i'd prefer an error
<daviddias>
or at least loading page :P
<daviddias>
jbenet: agree, I would too
<jbenet>
so gateway makes me download things all the time
<jbenet>
like it doesnt MIME sniff super well.
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* blame
blame is passing the buck. jbenet save me!
<jbenet>
amstocker_ thanks for writing those! do you want to manage it over at ipfs/py-ipfs-api ? (that way we can have the community collaborate in one location)
<blame>
jbenet: I just played this game. amstocker_ is offline.\
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<blame>
jbenet: his code looks good. It needs updating to python3, better documentation and error handling
<blame>
but it is likely a better start than I would have done.
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* jbenet_on_a_trai
is lagging hard
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<jbenet_on_train>
blame: i can't read logs atm. http fails hard. (amazing that irc is way more latency tolerant than http web2.0 websites...)
<jbenet_on_train>
blame: anyway, it's a great thing that amstocker made those bindings, now you dont have to make them. (in open source, we're all working together to make better things. "scooping
<blame>
jbenet_on_train: +1 agree
<jbenet_on_train>
is a great thing"
<jbenet_on_train>
blame: and also, the pypi name regardless should be ipfs-api for the bindings, not ipfs. (we should reserve ipfs for a full implementation)
<jbenet_on_train>
cryptix: i'm on a train to hamburg.
<jbenet_on_train>
cryptix: but i'm getting off at heidelberg.
<blame>
jbenet_on_train: no worries for now then
<jbenet_on_train>
latencies are so interesting when moving at 200+kmph over the countryside
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<jbenet_on_train>
whyrusleeping are you around? finding something weird with protobuf serialization in multicodec
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<lgierth>
ok please everybody check that your stuff works with https://ipfs.io/(ipfs|ipns|api)/
<lgierth>
krl: that's for you especially ^ :)
<lgierth>
i noticed something in the webui that makes OPTIONS requests to https://<host>:80
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<jbenet_o1_train>
whyrusleeping can has: secret key for private swarms?
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<cryptix>
Jbenet: I thought you were back in the states already
<daviddias>
cryptix: I believe that from now on, it will be more 'jbenet visits the USA', but gets 'back to Europe' :P
<lgierth>
:)
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<jbenet_on_train>
i love trains
<jbenet_on_train>
such a better way to travel. wish airplanes were like trains.
<daviddias>
:) trains are the best , no check in TSA madness
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<jbenet_on_train>
daviddias: seriously. there's been a number of armed military guards on the trains today-- i've seen at least two on every train (with assault rifles). but i think that's probably a way better way to handle it than adding The Security Amphitheater style security to trains.
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<lgierth>
jbenet_on_train: military or police? cause if you crossed the border that might have been simple anti-refugee operations
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<border>
who crossed me ?
<border>
no one cross me without proper papers
<jbenet_on_train>
lgierth: ah. military.
<jbenet_on_train>
didn't angela merkel open things up though?
<lgierth>
jbenet_on_train: no she just said that syrian refugees won't be handled according to the dublin3-treaty, which demands having their request for asylum processed in the country where they first set foot in the EU
<lgierth>
and that's just for germany
<lgierth>
so now there's a dark market for syrian papers
<jbenet_on_train>
oh how i wish github issues + PRs were distributed already. i guess linus laughs at us from his email tower. (yi!)
<jbenet_on_train>
lgierth: ah. riots still going on?
<lgierth>
the last couple of days were relatively quiet
<lgierth>
regarding the neonazis. one planned shelter burned down tonight
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<lgierth>
on sunday there's gonna be a convoy of volunteers going from vienna to budapest to pick up as many people as possible
<lgierth>
jbenet_on_train: self-hosted ipfs.io is a thing now
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<jbenet_on_train>
lgierth: awesome, on both counts.
<jbenet_on_train>
i was thinking-- it would be nice to have a vnp+proxy+ipfs setup-- so you make an HTTP request, it proxies over the backbone. you control proxy, so let it MITM https. as it's coming back, proxy hashes static assets (images, js, css, etc). sends manifest back first, and starts streaming the things it knows you dont have. you then say what els e you dont have
<jbenet_on_train>
brb
<jbenet_on_train>
im not convinced trains arent the best offices ever. kind of very productive to have very low bandwidth
<lgierth>
it would be great to have ipfs.io self-contained, without requests to google, github, youtube
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<lgierth>
and make the videos click-to-reveal
<blame>
can you bind the ipfs gateway to multiple network devices?
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<jbenet_on_train>
lgierth: yeah daviddias wants to move the videos to ipfs. (im not sure about that yet becuase I really enjoy using the youtube + vimeo players. others have so far been a pain for the less-trivial features (quality selection/autodetection/buffering/playback speed). buuuuut it is nice to selfhost
<jbenet_on_train>
Blame: yeah why not
<lgierth>
Blame: the gateway sadly no. you can bind it to 0.0.0.0 or :: though
<lgierth>
i'm using nginx to do the binding magic
<blame>
:P I was hoping for ipv6 + ipv4
<blame>
I could use nginx
<jbenet_on_train>
lgierth: wait, why not?
<jbenet_on_train>
OHHhhhh
<jbenet_on_train>
damnit.
<blame>
I'm setting up a cjdns network between all my computers
<jbenet_on_train>
we probably should have something like /ip/____ which means both ip4 + ip6.
<lgierth>
yeah only swarm takes multiple addrs
<daviddias>
jbenet_on_train: speaking of videos, can I publish Kyle's ? :)
<jbenet_on_train>
or that, yeah, enable addrs.
<lgierth>
i'd rather give the option for multiple addrs
<jbenet_on_train>
would help with the API too.
<lgierth>
yeah
* blame
is off to make an issue
<lgierth>
Blame: cool! let me know how it goes
<jbenet_on_train>
daviddias: yeah for sure-- i acked the other place sorry i wasnt clear.
<lgierth>
i mean making the cjdns net
<blame>
seems to work so far
<daviddias>
ahh, got it! :)
<blame>
I have to convince things to bind to the network adapter
<lgierth>
brb
<lgierth>
Blame: you can use bind: all with the ethinterface
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<blame>
lgierth: im not sure what you mean
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* whyrusleeping
yawns
<whyrusleeping>
g'mornin friends
<blame>
morning!
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] rht opened pull request #1650: Bump version of dir-index-html (master...directory-listing-css) http://git.io/vGbM8
<lgierth>
Blame: oh right you mean binding ipfs to tun0
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<blame>
whyrusleeping: do you have plans to support non-go languages with gx?
<whyrusleeping>
Blame: thats the plan
<whyrusleeping>
trying to make it as agnostic as i can
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<blame>
whyrusleeping: I made an issue to this effect, but essentially your folder + file-names are not universal (nor is there any way to ensure they are)
<blame>
ie: I want to use it with python and cannot
<whyrusleeping>
why dont i get notifications for these things?
<whyrusleeping>
responded!
<blame>
whyrusleeping: i made it less than 5 min ago
<blame>
no worries
<daviddias>
lgierth: might be (really) good to communicate that we are moving our gateway endpoint to ipfs.io, I was just chatting with kyledrake and he got the IPFS archiever for neocities working (woooo!), but pointing to the old endpoint. I believe you covered this by having a redirect, nevertheless, a blog post documenting the change would be nice :)
<lgierth>
daviddias: ack yeah!
<lgierth>
no redirect so far
<lgierth>
gateway. works as before for now
<daviddias>
is it going away soon?
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: something broke?
<lgierth>
we might keep it around for people to point there custom domains to (CNAME)
<alu>
this dude spyduck came outta nowhere and has been making really cool stuff
<alu>
who knew that gentle wind and birds chirping could do so much for an environment?!
<alu>
subtle !
<alu>
kyledrake I'm moving to LA in a couple days lol :P been reading Virtual Light
<alu>
ima log in whyrusleeping i can show u around
<whyrusleeping>
alu: lol, i have to get set up
<alu>
lemme give you the sdk
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<kyledrake>
I've gotta be real, I don't think hosting the content from ipfs.io/path is a great idea. You'll never be able to safely use cookies there, for example.
<whyrusleeping>
i want lots of virtual computer monitors
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<alu>
16 in there
<whyrusleeping>
(and an 8k HMD to make it worthwhile)
<alu>
I'm also testing out SOC type of environments
<alu>
VR cyber operations center
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<lgierth>
kyledrake: there's the same cookies problem with gateway.ipfs.io
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<lgierth>
i wonder if the Origin header takes care of that
<kyledrake>
lgierth whyrusleeping jbenet correct, but now I can do it for everything on the ipfs.io root domain too ipfs.io/ipfs/QmYpYfwExzUCu8eifmC8sz3xAeoSyKbF27Q5VpuiUJGrju
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<kyledrake>
Which means no cookies or logins can ever be used on the domain safely.
<kyledrake>
Probably not an issue if you don't plan to ever do that
<kyledrake>
But if you plan to have apps use persistent data you're back to the same problem. The browser doesn't separate the data on a path level, it uses the domain structure.
<kyledrake>
You'll need to use subdomains (ala hshca) or create a custom browser that has different rules than the standard ones.
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<amstocker>
hey I'm back
<whyrusleeping>
jbenet: could you take another look at mfs today? Tv` is waiting on it to merge before he messes with executable bits
<kyledrake>
lgierth That's going to take at least two years to get widespread browser adoption.
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<kyledrake>
Probably more
<amstocker>
blame: I agree that it needs to be python 3 compatible and have error handling, i can work on that
<amstocker>
jbenet: sure I would be happy to maintain the community repo
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<lgierth>
kyledrake: hrm ok
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<amstocker>
blame: also i can change the name on pip, thats not a problem
<kyledrake>
lgierth not trying to hate on your good work there (seriously how did you even make that work with github pages, lol) but yeah just want to keep the origin issues on everybody's mind. Again if you never use cookies or logins it's not a problem.
<lgierth>
oh i threw out github pages
<kyledrake>
aha.
<lgierth>
ipfs.io is self-hosted now
<lgierth>
expands to ipfs.io/ipns/ipfs.io
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: mmmm, thats nice :D
<kyledrake>
lol
<lgierth>
it's probably okay to assume we won't do anything apart from static content on ipfs.io
<whyrusleeping>
^ thats a recent stack dump from mars
<whyrusleeping>
ran out of memory 15 days in
<pjz>
eep
<whyrusleeping>
being a gateway node is hard work
<pjz>
indeed
<pjz>
good stress test of the server though :)
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: oh mh mars doesn't even seem to be a gateway.ipfs.io node at th moment
<lgierth>
should i add it back into the round-robin? no idea why it's not in there
<kyledrake>
whyrusleeping is the daily build pretty stable ATM, or have you been taking a wrecking ball to things lately
<whyrusleeping>
kyledrake: daily should be pretty stable right now
<kyledrake>
cool thx
<whyrusleeping>
been fixing lots of small things
<whyrusleeping>
the wrecking ball will be when we push dev0.4.0
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: yeah, go ahead, i like seeing how it affects machines
<kyledrake>
whyrusleeping I had some weird issues where ipfs add -r wasn't returning a directory obj as the last hash. I'm going to pull latest and try to repro
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<whyrusleeping>
kyledrake: interesting, i'm going to be working on add potentially later today
<whyrusleeping>
theres a known bug i have a repro for
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<whyrusleeping>
so let me know if you repro your issue
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: ok it's back in
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<whyrusleeping>
<3
<kyledrake>
Will do
<lgierth>
whyrusleeping: oh wait, what's your nginx setup there?
<lgierth>
regarding ssl, etc.
<lgierth>
cause (gateway.)ipfs.io is a bit more than just binding ipfs to port 80
<whyrusleeping>
lgierth: uhm... i think its just running the ipfs daemon on port 8080
<lgierth>
aah ok
<lgierth>
then it doesn't make much sense to have in the round-robin for (gateway.)ipfs.io
<lgierth>
you're right there's nothing on port 80
<whyrusleeping>
okay
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<kyledrake>
whyrusleeping I've confirmed the issue. It's like sometimes ipfs add -r dir works, and sometimes it doesn't.
<kyledrake>
it's like its crashing randomly during the add process. it stops on some arbitrary file
<kyledrake>
that's different each time
<whyrusleeping>
kyledrake: alright, sounds about the same as what i'm working on
<kyledrake>
whrusleeping: ah great, let me know if you figure that out and I'll deploy latest and see if it fixed it for me
<kyledrake>
that bug scrambled my archives so i'll need to flush the archived sites again
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<whyrusleeping>
kyledrake: :(
<whyrusleeping>
yeah, i hope to fix it today
<whyrusleeping>
i've got a few other PRs on my plate first that i'm finishing up
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<whyrusleeping>
(probably bump the add thing up to 'next in line')
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping force-pushed editor-staging from 48b115f to 991cd4c: http://git.io/v3jvk
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/editor-staging 91b4298 Jeromy: an attempt at making the editor more efficient...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/editor-staging 6131a27 Jeromy: add-only-hash no longer stores entirety of everything in memory...
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/editor-staging 991cd4c Jeromy: move mem-dag construction to its own function, and actually call WriteOutputTo...
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<Leer10>
Hey is there an easy way to allow people to rehost/pin your content?
<Leer10>
Say there's a website where people can volunteer to keep it running by pinning. Would there be a method of doing that via clicking a button?
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<Leer10>
Nice
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<Leer10>
I thought that perhaps something like community hosting would be in the spirit of IPFS
<Leer10>
where something like a website is literally hosted by the community
<whyrusleeping>
Leer10: thats what its all about :)
<Leer10>
also it can literally be interplanetary :P
<Leer10>
sidesteps the whole latency thing
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<whyrusleeping>
yes!
<Leer10>
It may also do wonders in cjdns where latency becomes an issue
<Leer10>
where meshlocals have cached copies of popular but far away sites
<lgierth>
yes!
<lgierth>
edge caches in mesh locals
<lgierth>
i have two intel NUC here which will become ipfs+cjdns nodes in freifunk
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<Leer10>
turns out I was running an old version of ipfs which was why my tiny site wasn't loading to others
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<lgierth>
there are a couple more things to do for hosting arbitrary pages, just tiny adjustments
<lgierth>
and also figuring out the "how exactly" regarding ops
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<kyledrake>
Leer10 I'm baking IPFS into Neocities with that idea in mind
<kyledrake>
My long term goal is to run all the sites off IPFS nodes
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<Leer10>
Cool
<kyledrake>
Still a bit early to go whole-hog though.
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<whyrusleeping>
kyledrake: i found the cause of your add issue
<whyrusleeping>
gonna work on a fix
<kyledrake>
whyrusleeping awesome. Yeah it was easy to repro so I figured you'd catch it right awya.
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<kyledrake>
Thanks for your help on that
<kyledrake>
brb
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<blame>
I'm interested at looking at more aggressive edge caching, but honestly ipfs does a good job all on it's own. All we really need is automatic peer discovery on local area networks.
<blame>
to make that just work.
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<whyrusleeping>
Blame: we have that
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<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created async-cmd-error (+1 new commit): http://git.io/vGASz
<ipfsbot>
go-ipfs/async-cmd-error 206739d Jeromy: allow channel marshaler to return errors from cmds.Response...
<ipfsbot>
[go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #1653: allow channel marshaler to return errors from cmds.Response (master...async-cmd-error) http://git.io/vGASD
<blame>
whyrusleeping: awesome! I'm behind on what ipfs can do right now :/ I need to fix that
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<whyrusleeping>
kyledrake: okay, it turns out there were two issues with add
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<whyrusleeping>
one was easy to find
<whyrusleeping>
the other, i'm super confused about
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<kyledrake>
I take it the errors not reporting was the easy one
<whyrusleeping>
yeaaah
<whyrusleeping>
thats just pipelining stuff to the right place
<whyrusleeping>
the other issue is a random 'block not found' during an add
<whyrusleeping>
its somehow losing the intermediate directory
<whyrusleeping>
somehow...
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<kyledrake>
It doesn't seem to be consistent on where it fails, which is the really weird part to me
<whyrusleeping>
kyledrake: yeah... its bizarre
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