stebalien changed the topic of #ipfs to: Heads Up: To talk, you need to register your nick! Announcements: go-ipfs 0.5.1 and js-ipfs 0.43.1 are out! Get them from dist.ipfs.io and npm respectively! | Also: #libp2p #ipfs-cluster #filecoin #ipfs-dev | IPFS: https://github.com/ipfs/ipfs | Logs: https://view.matrix.org/room/!yhqiEdqNjyPbxtUjzm:matrix.org/ | Forums: https://discuss.ipfs.io | Code of Conduct: https://git.io/vVBS0
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<ipfsbot> @enochzhao posted in How does js-ipfs node join the cluster - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/how-does-js-ipfs-node-join-the-cluster/8747/1
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<ipfsbot> Laszlo Fazekas @TheBojda posted in Security token for IPFS hosting - https://discuss.ipfs.io/t/security-token-for-ipfs-hosting/8750/1
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<aLeSD> hi all
<aLeSD> hoe could I add content to a remote ipfs-cluster node ?
<aLeSD> I mean .. using shell
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<TraderOne> Discovered new pin service https://mypin.io/#/nodes
<BaronVonPromster> Hi everyone, I'm a noob to ipfs. What is the best resource to learn about this?
<TraderOne> js ipfs
<swedneck1> Baron Von Promster: https://docs.ipfs.io i guess?
<swedneck1> oh there's https://proto.school/#/
<tommatrix[m]> how to config replication factor for ipfs?
<BaronVonPromster> Thanks!
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<peterlau[m]> Having a bot in your encrypted room which understands encryption means that you're trusting some third party with each and every message so is only recommended if you trust that bot's host
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<ldeffenb_> @tommatrix - What do you mean by "replication factor"? IPFS doesn't push data out, but stores it locally and provides it when requested. The only way of forcing a replication is to have some other instance pin your content. I would guess that the number of external pins could be considered a replication factor.
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<tommatrix[m]> ldeffenb_: thanks for your reply. I mean when file add to ipfs, it can backup to other node automatic. because the first node may go offline.
<ldeffenb_> That can only be accomplished by having some other node pin your CID.
<ldeffenb_> AFAIK, there is no automatic provision for such a thing in IPFS currently.
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<swedneck1> there is, it's called ipfs-cluster
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<tommatrix[m]> Swedneck: ipfs cluster can support thouands of nodes over world wide?
<tommatrix[m]> ldeffenb_: pin seem have ttl, after timeout then delete data
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<ldeffenb_> tommatrix - Where did you see that pins have a timeout?
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<ldeffenb_> swedneck1 - I've read the cluster stuff, but didn't realize it was basically a distributed superset of the ipfs commands. If you add to the cluster, it is automatically pinned to the cluster. Nice. Now, if I only had enough remote matchines to put together a decent-sized cluster!
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<tommatrix[m]> <ldeffenb_ "tommatrix - Where did you see th"> yes
<tommatrix[m]> <ldeffenb_ "tommatrix - Where did you see th"> I test ipfs, when source node go offline, can't browser anymore.
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<tommatrix[m]> when gateway pin too much data, I think it maybe delete old data.
<ldeffenb_> Did you actually tell the gateway to pin the data? Or simply fetch it putting the data into its cache?
<ldeffenb_> Pins don't time out, but they are not the same as the cache of nodes that have handled your data.
<ldeffenb_> Yes, the cache is periodically garbage-collected, but pins will always stay resident in the pinning node(s).
<ldeffenb_> Your test showed exactly correct behavior. If the data is not pinned somewhere in a node that is online, then it may or may not be available from some cache somewhere.
<ldeffenb_> That's why pinning services exist and charge money to pin your stuff.
<tommatrix[m]> add file to node A, when user access file from node B, I think node B is a gateway.
<ldeffenb_> Yes, but node B didn't pin it, only cached it.
<ldeffenb_> If you've got less than 500MB, you can pin it for free at https://mypin.io/#/pricing
<ldeffenb_> (I have no affiliation with mypin.io, I only heard about it earlier today in this IRC)
<tommatrix[m]> ldeffenb_: I got it, need automatic pin data, seem ipfs cluster support this feature.
<ldeffenb_> Yes, as I also learned a few minutes ago.
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<tommatrix[m]> is there any user case using ipfs cluster in product over a thousand node?
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<swedneck1> fetching data from a gateway does not pin it
<swedneck1> and thus the data can be removed by garbage collection
<swedneck1> data has to be explicitly pinned, e.g. with `ipfs pin add`
<swedneck1> you can't just treat ipfs as free storage
<tommatrix[m]> Swedneck: thank you, I got it.
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