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<kallisti5[m]>
Discordian: thanks! Think I have a viable process. tldr; MFS really solved the issue for us. Instead of trying to rsync everything every run, all we have to do is add new files via MFS and then re-publish the new CID via IPNS
<Discordian[m]>
Ayy that's exactly what I was thinking 🎉
<Discordian[m]>
Really glad it all worked out ! :D
<kallisti5[m]>
well.. it's still a bit slow :-) But getting there.
<kallisti5[m]>
These are "smaller" repos of 28 GiB total in files
<kallisti5[m]>
We have some os images that are like 1TiB
<kallisti5[m]>
* We have some os images that are like 1TiB (total)
<kallisti5[m]>
* We have some os images that are like 1TiB (total). Lots of "historical builds"
<Discordian[m]>
Ooh that's exciting
<Discordian[m]>
Been a while since I've checked Haiku out, maybe I should give it a peek again
<kallisti5[m]>
theoretically we could do native IPFS support in the browser
<kallisti5[m]>
(ipfs://blah going to a gateway)
<kallisti5[m]>
it isn't much work to make our URI handlers "os-wide plugins"
<Discordian[m]>
Ooh yes! Perhaps like Brave, where the user can optionally use their own local node
<kallisti5[m]>
yeah. That was my original thought. Not sure we would be able to "hijack" ipfs urls and point them to your local node like IPFS companion (our webkit browser is pretty basic)
<kallisti5[m]>
but, pointing explicit ipfs/ipns uri's wouldn't be too hard
<kallisti5[m]>
hm. how long does it take ipfs gateways to notice ipns updates?
<kallisti5[m]>
i have /ipns/us.hpkg.haiku-os.org (dnslink) pointed at /ipns/k51qzi5uqu5dgnsdtttsbgsu7rbpky52k7lwi55mk8eywf2o0ds749syqiq6g9
<Discordian[m]>
<kallisti5[m] "but, pointing explicit ipfs/ipns"> It just uses the local gateway, so if you could redirect the url to something like `http://cid.ipfs.localhost:8080` I think
<Discordian[m]>
<kallisti5[m] "i have /ipns/us.hpkg.haiku-os.or"> Typically about instantly from my experience, maybe up to 5mins
<kallisti5[m]>
Added a file around 10 minutes ago to MFS, and republished via ```ipfs name publish ...```
<Discordian[m]>
I use IPNS-pubsub, not sure how much of an impact that makes.
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<wings[m]>
Sigh
<wings[m]>
Hetzner keeps sending me abuse reports because of ipfs
<wings[m]>
I may have to turn my node off.
<wings[m]>
Already applied server profile, supposedly I'm port sfanni
<wings[m]>
Scanning*
<leons>
wings: had the same issue
<wings[m]>
Was the fix ditching hetzner?
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<sknebel>
turn off local host discovery. because otherwise IPFS *is* scanning the local network for other IPFS nodes
<FuseTim[m]>
<sknebel "turn off local host discovery. b"> It's included in the server profile iirc
<wings[m]>
I will double check it's been applied
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<sknebel>
ah right, sorry, that should be in that profile, right
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<wings[m]>
It's not local hosts
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<wings[m]>
It's proper internet addresses
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<wings[m]>
Wait wut
<wings[m]>
I don't even have ipfs running...
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<wings[m]>
It's BitTorrent traffic... Why are they suddenly worried about that when I've been doing 100mbps for days at a time no problem and I'm basically idle now
<wings[m]>
Hell, 950mbps for that matter
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<jwh>
hetzner are genuinely dumb, they get really upset unless you explicitly exclude non routable addresses in the ipfs config, even though it's just how P2P behaves
<jwh>
no amount of arguing with reason or logic will convince them they're stupid
<jwh>
yeah see that isn't an abuse report, that's their stupid detection stuff
<jwh>
it gets it wrong every time
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<jwh>
but it's just the nature of p2p/nat, and people with broken configurations/networks, they don't seem to understand this though (I had exactly this discussion with them when they started crying about ipfs trying to connect to 10/8 et al)
<jwh>
they actually went so far as to turn my port off while I was sleeping
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<wings[m]>
okay heztner officially sucks
<wings[m]>
they are now straight up accusing me of netscans and saying my traffic is a netscan essentially
<wings[m]>
despite connecting purely to nodes that are explicitly opting in
<wings[m]>
and it not being a netsan]
<wings[m]>
* and it not being a netscan
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<wings[m]>
i'm trying to talk to their support now but i'm going to pull everything off them pretty soon. i'm incredibly frustrated as it's the literal cheapest online storage I've found
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<Discordian[m]>
Is your node profile set to "server"? If not it does scan for local nodes.
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<wings[m]>
<Discordian[m] "Is your node profile set to "ser"> Yes, I did that
<wings[m]>
As hetzner got angry about the local node stuff
<Discordian[m]>
Yeah so it's not netscan like
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<wings[m]>
Their specific panty twist is now that idiots are announcing non routable IPs (not rfc1918 ones) to archive.org's BitTorrent trackers
<Discordian[m]>
I don't personally use them, but if that's how they handle support, certainly think twice about it
<wings[m]>
And apparently trying to contact those IPs is "abuse"
<wings[m]>
You will need to find a way to reduce the amount of abuse you potentially generate, if this will go on for a while."
<wings[m]>
"the IP are wide spread and not routed. This is very often the mark of a netscan and will, among other factors, trigger our abuse system.
<wings[m]>
Pretty messed up for them to call it abuse
<wings[m]>
Yeah I've been using them for months and months though, this is the first real unreasonable trouble
<wings[m]>
At this rate riff.cc will basically blacklist them from use, and later probably publicly shame them
<wings[m]>
Although by the time I'll get to doing that I won't feel like publicly shaming anybody
<Discordian[m]>
Hahaha I feel it, venting helps
<Discordian[m]>
Like how are you supposed to operate many nodes with that policy? Kinda hurts decentralisation efforts I'd think
<Discordian[m]>
You could try to block non-routable requests via iptables or something
<jwh>
hetzner are 100% a nightmare and one should avoid them at all costs
<jwh>
on the other hand it's one of the lesser awful networks
<Discordian[m]>
I'm personally a Linode fan, only spun up a few nodes on there, but no troubles, even operating a relay
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<jwh>
yeah, I've got stuff everywhere and nobody except hetzner complains, they complain about a lot
<wings[m]>
I'm tempted to just spin up a DO droplet nearby, remote mount the storage
<wings[m]>
And use hetzner as the world's dumbest storage box
<Discordian[m]>
Haha whatever works
<wings[m]>
I want to just stop using them asap thought
<jwh>
lol, could do
<wings[m]>
This isn't the way to treat a customer
<wings[m]>
I feel like they've been incredibly accusatory
<jwh>
they just don't care, they're pretty hostile in general
<wings[m]>
* I want to just stop using them asap though
<kallisti5[m]>
> hetzner are 100% a nightmare and one should avoid them at all costs
<kallisti5[m]>
HAHA. Yes
<wings[m]>
Not sure how they have customers if this is their attitude
<Discordian[m]>
Even Cloud@Cost has customers, worst company I've dealt with
<jwh>
they started asking me for passport copies not long ago, so I expect I'll just kill my remaining machine there
<kallisti5[m]>
* > hetzner are 100% a nightmare and one should avoid them at all costs
<kallisti5[m]>
HAHA. Yes. Haiku's infrastructure was on Hetzner originally. We had a down server and it took 4 hours to get a KVM attached
<wings[m]>
<jwh "they started asking me for passp"> Wait what
<wings[m]>
Whyyyy
<kallisti5[m]>
* > hetzner are 100% a nightmare and one should avoid them at all costs
<kallisti5[m]>
HAHA. Yes. Haiku's infrastructure was on Hetzner originally. We had a down server and it took 4 hours to get a KVM attached. We saw maximum bandwidth of like 200Kbps to the US
<jwh>
oh, they do this thing now
<jwh>
you provide passport, or send them 20 euros via paypal
<jwh>
because somehow either proves ID
<wings[m]>
So........ Extortion basically
<kallisti5[m]>
OVH made me send them my drivers license to prove I was who I was to cancel our services.
<Discordian[m]>
Hmm not sure who you guys are .... could you send me 20 EUR via PayPal to make me feel better? :D
<kallisti5[m]>
online.net also is horrid. They offer some neat sutff... but performance is dog slow
<jwh>
wings: well, they shouldn't be requiring any ID unless its obviously shady, this trend of everyone asking for passport copies has got to stop
<wings[m]>
If everyone has your ID it's meaningless
<kallisti5[m]>
VM's at Digital Ocean are great but expensive. VM's at Vultr are great and a little less expensive
<wings[m]>
So I'm inclined to agree
<wings[m]>
Yeah I only like DO because they're what I'm used to
<jwh>
well I don't send ID to anyone, so I setup a paypal account with fake name and address and sending them 20 euros satisfied their automated thing (lol)
<jwh>
like I do big business with real carriers and none of them ask me for ID, why would I send some shady hosting company it for a 50 eur/mo service, they're mental
<jwh>
vultr also ask for "proof of ID" but in reality, just want to confirm that it is actually your credit card which is absolutely fine
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<RomeSilvanus[m]>
This was a terrible discussion about literally nothing wrong.
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
A lot of p2p applications do local netscans which should always be turned off in a intranet.
<kallisti5[m]>
Rome Silvanus: Sorry it wasn't up to your high expectations 😆
<jwh>
except it isn't about local netscans
<jwh>
:D
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
Scanning local ip nets, which are clearly used internally, is a netscan,
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
* Scanning local ip nets, which are clearly used internally, is a netscan.
<Discordian[m]>
It's not about that though, he's using server profile. This is about nodes reporting IPs that aren't routable, then the node tries to connect to them, triggering an abuse flag.
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<RomeSilvanus[m]>
On some random earlier version of ipfs that server profile didnt even stop these, or sometimes did while other times didnt depending on how you've set ipfs up.
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
Which made me block it in iptables
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<jwh>
newer versions have less of this problem, but unfortunately many people are using ancient versions
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
It kinda went away since 7.x something
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
But as I said, a lot of other p2p apps do the saem thing
<jwh>
but it isn't an ipfs problem, it's just the way it is, trying to connect to an unroutable address is not a scan regardless of whether they think it is or not
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
I had some torrent apps that killed my router by looking for nodes in my internal network
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
Your machine is still asking their internal net for it
<jwh>
what about addresses that aren't "internal" but there is no path back to them? exactly the same
<jwh>
also pretty frequent because people configure things wrong
<jwh>
most operators know this, which is why they don't care, just drop the traffic and move on with life
<RomeSilvanus[m]>
They sent me the same email a few times. I just told them that I try out some p2p apps and blocked the ports.
<kallisti5[m]>
weird... the latest webui (v2.12.1) seems to hide the pins on the node
<kallisti5[m]>
also... pinning stuff doesn't make it show up in the web ui
<Discordian[m]>
My WebUI isn't showing my MFS, I wonder what happened
<kallisti5[m]>
older versions let you click on pins vs files
<kallisti5[m]>
now the pins link is missing
<Discordian[m]>
Doesn't show peer count anymore either, weird.
<Discordian[m]>
Yeah I also don'tt have pins link
<kallisti5[m]>
however... you can change the url manually from ipns/dev.webui.ipfs.io/#/files ipns/dev.webui.ipfs.io/#/pins
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<wings[m]>
<jwh "but it isn't an ipfs problem, it"> The issue is also that establishing 100k+ connections tends to piss off Hetzner
<wings[m]>
<RomeSilvanus[m] "This was a terrible discussion a"> Well when I have the same number of connections to/from IPFS as I currently do with sillyradio, I'm sure it will be more relevant here. As it is none of the participants had the issue you seem to have with it
<kallisti5[m]>
Those are pinned in two locations. I was originally getting resolution errors
<kallisti5[m]>
ipfs resolve -r /ipns/us.hpkg.haiku-os.org/haiku/master/x86_64/current/packages/haiku_extras-r1~beta2_hrev55063-1-x86_64.hpkg: no link named "haiku_extras-r1~beta2_hrev55063-1-x86_64.hpkg" under QmZ4XfXxgPE2DA2LZWoTBtAGhrDinw7g6m83B46iVHziCX
<kallisti5[m]>
Looks like cloudflare's ipfs gateway caching is the cause
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<kallisti5[m]>
yeah. They look for ipns TXT record changes to clear their caches. We're updating public key's CID target so they don't see it and don't know to clear caches :-|
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<lidel>
<kallisti5[m] "weird... the latest webui (v2.12"> It will show local pins in indicator column on Files screen, but yes, the dedicated screen for listing low level local pins got removed to reduce confusion, as it was never designed to be exposed to GUI users. Everything in MFS is already protected from GC and enables you to assign human-readable names to CIDS, which is better experience for Desktop/GUI users than a wall of
<lidel>
nameless CIDs.
<kallisti5[m]>
so.. how do you determine what you have pinned to clean up storage?
<kallisti5[m]>
ipfs pin ls takes forever to run and only shows the pin CIDs
<kallisti5[m]>
And the webui no longer shows pins on the server
<lidel>
`ipfs pin ls` will list direct and indirect pins, what you want is to only list roots of recursive pins: `ipfs pin ls --type=recursive`
<lidel>
I know your pain, I have 1k of low level nameless pins and it is impossible to make any meaningful decision as a desktop user by that point.
<kallisti5[m]>
lidel: fair on the type=recursive It would be great if ipfs had some exciting feature which showed these pins
<lidel>
kallisti5: You could list all cids and copy them to a dir in MFS, then you could use webui to inspect them one by one, if you dont have too many. I won't have have time to inspect 1k of my local pins and decide which one I want to keep or not. I just keep them around at this point. But If I used MFS from the beginning, then I would have meaningful dir/filenames that would make cleanup easy. That is why we made Files (MFS) the
<lidel>
prefered way to keep things around by regular users, and will move more in that direction.
<lidel>
Note: when you remove a file from Files via webui, and you had that file pinned locally (or remotely), webui will by default suggest removal of low level local pin, so you are not left with stale nameless pins like I did.
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<lidel>
You can create a dir in MFS with your low level pins with this one liner: `ipfs files mkdir /old_local_pins && for cid in $(ipfs pin ls --type=recursive -q); do ipfs files cp /ipfs/$cid /old_local_pins/$cid; done`