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<raiden33434> hello friends
<raiden33434> anyone here?
<Sonicadvance1> I'm here
<raiden33434> hi
<raiden33434> maybe you could answer me a question?
<Sonicadvance1> Sure, lay the question on me
<raiden33434> ok
<raiden33434> well i just cant find a good img file that will boot my a13 tablet
<raiden33434> and i thought maybe anyone here could help me
<raiden33434> its model is described as Q88 in linux sunxi website
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<aaron_> cd
<aaron_> ls
<aaron_> ls
<aaron_> ls
<aaron_> ifconfig
<Cylta> wrong window
<wingrime> return of old pc4 /:
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<oliv3r> morning
<HeHoPMaJIeH> wingrime: that looks interesting :) i will buy one just for the logo :)
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<Tsvetan> this is fake :)
<Tsvetan> this guy have nothing with Pravetz, just steal the name
<Tsvetan> neither these are from the Pravetz design/factory group
<wingrime> Tsvetan: you have realone ?
<Tsvetan> its chinese laptop with pravetz label
<rm> this Pravetz looks similar to Loongson 3A
<wingrime> Tsvetan: it's currently imposible produce modern pc outside china with good price
<Tsvetan> its just scam, he have no right to use this name nor logo
<Tsvetan> we have to thank for this to the EU distributors :)
<Tsvetan> who want to sell components at x3 times more expensive than they sell on Asian market
<wingrime> rm: thats i3/i5/i7 not longson
<rm> too bad
<wingrime> rm: longson interesing to test itself
<wingrime> Tsvetan: same there
<Tsvetan> the pictures are taken from here https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/notebooks/ultraNote-15/ and little photoshop for the logo
<Tsvetan> the guy behind the pravetz.bg runs company which cleans laptops :))
<wingrime> Tsvetan: I only know only one company from russia that make something like that http://20.mcst.ru/image/511a4bf20cd850ff1700000b.png
<wingrime> Tsvetan: but price not for normal people
<wingrime> Tsvetan: military / goverment
<wingrime> Tsvetan: OpenSPARC based and some own designs
<HeHoPMaJIeH> Solaris and Pravetz OS looks interesting :)
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<wingrime> more one linux distro
<EGM> arokux1: Thanks for reply in mailing list. I will try to test the issue on Hackberry board as well, but I don't have much time right now...
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<mnemoc> moin
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<allen> Usage ./build-image.sh <Fedora-arm-panda-img-in> <Fedora-arm-a10-img-out> Who know the parameter?
<mnemoc> allen: they are filenames
<mnemoc> based only on that text. you download the image for panda, provide it as first argument, and the output (second argument) will be a10 compatible
<mnemoc> didn't know about that one
<allen> Thank you very much . I am trying the bilding the Fedora 19 ARM for Allwinner A10 disk image into cubieboar .
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<gzamboni> mnemoc, seems like an interesting dev board
<mnemoc> yes
<gzamboni> i'm trying to build the mainline kernel and i'm getting an error: multiple (or no) load addresses: This is incompatible with uImages Specify LOADADDR on the commandline to build an uImage
<gzamboni> am i missing something ?
<gzamboni> the dts should be in the same place of the old script.bin ?
<gzamboni> their prices are correct also
<mnemoc> gzamboni: we have prebuilts of sunxi mainline at http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi-devel/ .... sunxi-devel is maintained by Turl
<gzamboni> i'm using the 3.11.3 that i downloaded from kernel.org and i just added the sunxi_defconfig from the sunxi github
<mnemoc> and yes, 3.10+ uses dtb instead of script.bin
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<gzamboni> i have to compile it by myself as i need some extra features on the kernel ;)
<oliv3r> gzamboni: did you build with make LOADADDR=0x4008000 (from the top of my memory
<gzamboni> humm, ok thank you
<mnemoc> add LOADADDR=0x40008000 to your make call
<mnemoc> err
<oliv3r> mnemoc's address is beter :p
<mnemoc> too much blah blah and oliv3r ended up answering faster :\
<gzamboni> lol
<gzamboni> thank you guys
<allen> mnemoc:I am Chinese student . I cann't understand the panda and download address,because begiing learn linux .
<gzamboni> whats this loadaddr about ?
<mnemoc> the guys just sent me an email thanking us for the wiki, telling they are going into mass production now and that's it's oshw!
<mnemoc> gzamboni: where u-boot will load the kernel
<oliv3r> allen: http://scotland.proximity.on.ca/contrib-images/hansg/ might be much much easier for you to use fedora :)
<gzamboni> humm, ok, i thought it should be set on the u-boot
<oliv3r> allen: those actually are made for A10/cubieboard so pop in SD card, run setup; boot
<oliv3r> mnemoc: what guys
<oliv3r> oh itead studio
<oliv3r> it's like seeed, but different
<mnemoc> :)
<oliv3r> OSHW, i'll belive it when i see schematics
<Tsvetan> no way, they are chinese :)
<mnemoc> "At present, we have completed volume production of this product and it will be put on sale soon. It is also an open-source design. We are now collating the documents for this board and we hope that we can publish more information on sunxi.org and include it in the hardware list that A10 and A20 supports."
<allen> oliv3r mnemoc: Thank you! I know that it is diffcult to me .
<mnemoc> Tsvetan: but I'll also be amazed to see real oshw from .cn
<Tsvetan> tom said these guys were selling his boards then screw him
<mnemoc> ow
<mnemoc> :(
<Tsvetan> all you will see is PDF with schematic for the revision before last one :)))
<mnemoc> Tsvetan: if they publish the info, it will be nice to see if it's based on yours or not
<Tsvetan> this is bs for the campain
<mnemoc> it's from the mail...
<mnemoc> but it can be BS too
<Tsvetan> Tom said they are not good with the software and when sold his boards always asked for help for this or that, now when they copy his indiegogo he obviously do not help them, so they may look for other place where to ask for software related issues and this is why they contacted you?
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<aaron_> hello
<gzamboni> humm, it just compiled well, but when booting: Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00001008). Do i have to identify its an A10 somewhere ?
<mnemoc> gzamboni: you have to configure u-boot to do dtb booting
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<mnemoc> gzamboni: btw, all sunxi branches (including the one tracking mainline, sunxi-devel) accepts defconfig improvements to make the nightly builds usable as-is
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<oliv3r> gzamboni: if you want to use dtb (with current u-boot) boot as bootm 0xkernel 0xinitramfs 0xdtb
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<oliv3r> gzamboni: otherwise if you boot script.bin boot with bootm 0xkernel
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<gzamboni> humm, ok, im adapting my uboot as im booting from a nfs
<gzamboni> Does the 3.10 branch of the sunxi git has more drivers/functionalities than the mainline ?
<oliv3r> first learn to crawl, before you run :)
<oliv3r> gzamboni: not yet, 3.10 should have all the 3.12-rc5 drivers however
<oliv3r> the intention is to bring 3.4 drivers to 3.10
<oliv3r> but i'm a little time constrained atm
<gzamboni> ok, thanks
<oliv3r> patches welcome (tm)
<mnemoc> also 3.10 is an LTS and android supported so it will receive non-sunxi fixes too
<gzamboni> :) i will try to , im a newbie into the kernel, started up this year, i'm playing with a keypad matrix driver and with an iio for the moment, just to learn how things work
<gzamboni> interesting to know mnemoc, so maybe it will be some patches from allwinner
<gzamboni> but i supose they are still using kernel 3.4
<mnemoc> hopefully it helps to get aw using (and contributing! to) our tree instead of vomiting they stuff on top of the next android kernel
<mnemoc> their*
<gzamboni> did you tried to contact eva ?
<mnemoc> i gave up on that over a year ago
<gzamboni> Why dont you present the sunxi project ad Fosdem and invite Eva.
<mnemoc> oliv3r: ----^
<gzamboni> if she doesnt come you can tell what you fell in the presentation
<gzamboni> i will be surely present if you guys pretend to be at fosdem.
<oliv3r> gzamboni: way ahead of ya ;)
<oliv3r> the proposal deadline was okt. 1st; and i submitted my proposal 2 weeks before that ;)
<oliv3r> but no word yet so don't know if we're accepted
<oliv3r> though i might be giving away too much info allready :)
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<gzamboni> they will accept it, dont worry, i saw some shity presententions at fosdem 2013
<gzamboni> impossible to be worst that some of them i watched :P
<mnemoc> i think it's more about the "relevance" of the project than the quality of the proposal/presentation
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<oliv3r> i think it's highly relevant, but also I am biased
<gzamboni> sunxi is really relevant
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<oliv3r> to us absolutly, but to others, that begs theq uestion
<gzamboni> in my opinion its very relevant.
<oliv3r> so you are biased as well ;)
<gzamboni> but if its up to the sponsors to decide ... :(
<oliv3r> i suppose so
<mnemoc> oliv3r: collecting "signatures" from important supporters might help....
<mnemoc> like hansg, libv, sr, hno, ...
<oliv3r> mnemoc: right now, the proposal is submited, and we wait
<mnemoc> sir yes sir
<oliv3r> libv hangs out in #fosdem and he said it was a good idea ;)
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<gzamboni> mripard did some presentations there, maybe he can "sign" also
<gzamboni> as i see freeelectrons is an important player in the embedded world
<mnemoc> oh, I forgot mripard :( *shame*
* mnemoc needs more coffee to wake up
* oliv3r dislikes coffee
<gzamboni> me 2
<oliv3r> ok how can they 'sign' what? :p
* gzamboni 2
* mripard wonders how can one dislike coffee
<oliv3r> the fosdem team discusses applications internally dont' they?
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<oliv3r> mripard: i occasionally drink tea, but not black (flavored) tea
<mnemoc> oliv3r: sending an email to whoever organizes the event "endorsing" the relevance of the project
<oliv3r> green tea or something light
<mnemoc> green tea gets toxic quickly...
<oliv3r> i do enjoy power drinks, but can't drink them, after 3 cans my heart is about to explode :p but i have the same with cola :)
<oliv3r> i don't drink caffeine really
<oliv3r> i boil it, i drink it
<FR^2> oliv3r: Ah, you're already on the stage where you take it intravenously?
<oliv3r> but last tea I drank must have been 8 months ago
* mnemoc drinks at least 15 mugs of coffee per day :\
<gzamboni> oliv3r, you can ask all those ppls why is important that the sunxi project to be in Fosdem 2014 and send to the fosdem staff all the positive answers
<mnemoc> maybe there are patches for that
<mnemoc> I mean, caffeine aditction
<oliv3r> haha there are :p
<oliv3r> gzamboni: well there is not 'official' way to endorse it that way, so it sounds kinda pushy imo
<gzamboni> yeah, better just wait
<mnemoc> oliv3r: but better pushing first, than trying to push when it's already falling down...
<lunra> caffeine comes in patch form?? Sweet, another route of administration -- if I use all of them at once I must get super wired!
<mnemoc> *g*
<oliv3r> how can you not know thinkgeek
<lunra> thinkgeek is overpriced consumer crap
<lunra> selling out to some halfhearted 'geek' trend where nobody actually knows what they're talking about.
<popolon> s/caffeine/guarana/
<lunra> That doesn't mean their entire customer base is like that though.
<popolon> also countain some cafein
<lunra> (also iirc thinkgeek don't ship bioconsumables out of US/Canada?)
<popolon> too much caffeine is bad for heart and can get nervous, guarana get brain a little more active and keep soft
<mnemoc> I miss coffee grains covered with chocolate
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<lunra> I miss easier access to more potent stimulants... *cough*
<oliv3r> mnemoc: go to aldi/hover/lidl and get some
<popolon> sometime written warana
<mnemoc> oliv3r: really? they exist?
<mnemoc> \o/
<oliv3r> i'm sure
<n01> sure they exist
<n01> lol
<popolon> this is legal one
<FR^2> Oergs... I just read about the myth of guarana. I'm never going to drink/consume that stuff again!
<oliv3r> depends on the region though; but i'm sure you can easily buy it in germany, germans love their cofffee too
<oliv3r> in NL they just use pot instead
<popolon> FR^2, why for ?
<n01> pot makes me sleepy
<mnemoc> oliv3r: on which supermarket section they tend to be?
<popolon> i drink some before drawing, that's really efficient
<FR^2> popolon: "According to a myth attributed to the Sateré-Maué tribe, guarana's domestication originated with a deity killing a beloved village child. To console the villagers, a more benevolent god plucked the left eye from the child and planted it in the forest, resulting in the wild variety of guarana. The god then plucked the right eye from the child and planted it in the village, giving rise to domesticated guarana."
<oliv3r> mnemoc: candy
<popolon> and I still can sleep after
<FR^2> popolon: Wikipedia ;)
<mnemoc> oliv3r: thanks :)
<lunra> Pot is not well suited to trying to work with embedded IME...
<oliv3r> mnemoc: haven't you gone shopping?
<oliv3r> mnemoc: when you find milka and chocolate covert peanuts, your close
<mnemoc> oliv3r: never into the candy section :p
<oliv3r> lol
<popolon> FR^2, if you follow all mythology, you will kill by yourself
<popolon> :)
<mnemoc> oliv3r: thanks, I'll go and check today.
<FR^2> popolon: Yes :) You're probably right :D
<popolon> I speak about efficiency
<oliv3r> mnemoc: search for 'mocabonen'
<oliv3r> erm mokka bohnen
<mnemoc> thanks :)
<mnemoc> uh, expensive sh*t
<mnemoc> but will give them a try
<oliv3r> that's the 'immigrant' shop
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<oliv3r> like for germans overseas
<mnemoc> i see
<n01> 3$ is not expensive
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<oliv3r> but the image/description should help you find whta you need :)
<mnemoc> yes, perfect
<popolon> (w|gu)arana people use this for hunting in deep forest using blowpipe I believe
<oliv3r> 1.25
<popolon> weird french :)
<oliv3r> though i think that's mokka flavored chocolate
<oliv3r> as it has coffee powder
<popolon> pour chocolade instead of chcolat
<oliv3r> but 'mokka bohnen' is what you are looking for
<popolon> oh, no - puur chocolade
<popolon> ok
<mnemoc> i'll hunt for them this evening
<gzamboni> does the dtb file has to come as a boot arg ?
<popolon> i believe that was a whole sentence
<oliv3r> popolon: looks dutch
<mnemoc> gzamboni: see the wiki in u-boot-sunxi's github
<oliv3r> gzamboni: for u-boot yes, you first load it to 0xdtb; then pass it to bootm
<oliv3r> popolon: for example fatload mmc 0 0x4300000 cubie.dtb; bootm 0xkernel 0xinitramfs 0x43000000
<oliv3r> or mripard link whihc is far more interesting ;)
<mnemoc> yeah
<gzamboni> thanks mripard
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<mnemoc> mripard: btw, http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi-devel/ are built each 3h from Turl's mainline-tracking branch, hope it helps people testing
<oliv3r> ok, just wow
<mnemoc> ?
<oliv3r> ever saw a high-profile 'AAA' company link/recommend a community?
<oliv3r> read that page, specially the lower bit
<mnemoc> :)
<gzamboni> im doing : setenv bootcmd "nfs 0x43000000 ${serverip}:/home/gzamboni/linux/sunxi/netboot/sun4i-a10-cubieboard.dts;nfs 0x48000000 ${serverip}:/home/gzamboni/linux/sunxi/netboot/uImage; bootm 0x48000000;"
<gzamboni> setenv bootargs "console=ttyS0,115200 noinitrd root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=${serverip}:/home/gzamboni/linux/sunxi/netboot/debian ip=${ipaddr}:${netmask}:${gatewayip}:::eth0"
<gzamboni> setenv fdt_file setenv sun4i-a10-cubieboard.dts
<oliv3r> try booting normally without nfs; then when that works include nfs?
<gzamboni> it get all files from the nfs, but when it tries to boot the kernel i get always Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00001008).
<gzamboni> k
<gzamboni> i tried directly because it was already working with script.bin and k 3.4
<oliv3r> what do you use for bootm?
<pitillo> hello, does someone know which addresses should be used in mkimage on a eoma68-a20 to build the uImage? (0x40008000)?
<gzamboni> 0x48000000
<gzamboni> the uImage address
<pitillo> gzamboni: thank you very much :)
<gzamboni> oh, no pitillo
<gzamboni> i was talking with oliv3r
<pitillo> xD
<pitillo> oh, my bad. Excuse me :)
<gzamboni> it seems thats 0x40008000
<gzamboni> pitillo
<pitillo> gzamboni: it seems so, but it's giving problems loading an initrd
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<pitillo> at least this is the one used in cb2 (a20) and what I can find deeping in kernel used to boot the eoma68
<arokux1> mnemoc: you'll laugh, but yesterday tonight I've found this iteaduino
<mnemoc> arokux1: :D
<oliv3r> pitillo: when compiling the kernel, you supply LOADADDR=0x40008000
<oliv3r> when loading from u-boot, i generally use 0x48000000
<arokux1> "Available now"!
<arokux1> yesterday it wasn't available
<mripard> mnemoc: ok, cool
<mnemoc> mripard: u-boot for all boards is also built 3h-ly from the sunxi branch
<pitillo> oliv3r: I haven't access to the toy (it's a friend who is playing with it) but I think he is loading it from Uboot. http://sprunge.us/iKDJ
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<mnemoc> mripard: don't know if there is another relevant u-boot branch
<arokux1> "Click the button to enter product page." do you this the button? :)
<mnemoc> arokux1: the 3 things telling new
<oliv3r> pitillo: tehre's some strangeness there
<focus_it> gzamboni: there is an uSD image file here with all the correct parameters for booting from /dev/sda1 http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#eoma_as_a_pc
<mnemoc> uhm... no
<oliv3r> pitillo: but the kernel seems to boot normally, so what exactly is the problem?
<oliv3r> pitillo: the fact that it crashes is unrelated to parameters ;)
<arokux1> focus_it: check it out. http://imall.iteadstudio.com/ it remembers me your SoMs
<pitillo> oliv3r: I saw some strange typos there... but it finish loading it and seems the problem relays with initrd
<gzamboni> focus_it im using cubieboard and booting from nfs
<oliv3r> pitillo: it's crashing on 'script_parser_fetch' which indicates that he's using something like 3.4 or older and hasn't loaded a script.bin to memory
<pitillo> oliv3r: wow... how do you know that??? impressive
<oliv3r> he should add fatload mmc 0 0x43000000 script.bin
<pitillo> he's missing script.bin load... interesting
<oliv3r> pitillo: grep for script_parser_fetch
<mnemoc> no one uses my script.bin parsing API yet :(
<oliv3r> well your paste is iffy in his loading, but id on't see it yet
<oliv3r> mnemoc: :p
<arokux1> mnemoc: I think they are just adding it. now there are buttons, but they point to display shields..
<focus_it> gzamboni: ooo that be different
<arokux1> mnemoc: now the buttons are correct!
<oliv3r> mnemoc: soon ;)
<mnemoc> :D
<pitillo> oliv3r: amazing... just in the dump start... Thank you ver ymuch. I'll try to tell him about this and see if he can put hands on along the day to boot the toy
<focus_it> arokux1: yep - finally button works! - nice
<arokux1> strange, on the mainpage they have a picture of A20
<arokux1> however they are selling A10
<oliv3r> pitillo: ;)
<focus_it> what is that blue tool used for in the last picture?
<arokux1> focus_it: it is called "pry stick for core"
<buZz> hehe i have loads of those blue tools
<buZz> every new phone lcd i get another
<arokux1> PS: A20 Core is NOT available yet.
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<oliv3r> yeah that's strange comment
<oliv3r> as a20 has long replaced a10
<arokux1> maybe they were busy with something else, they have developed some easy to use API...
* arokux1 doesn't know what was hard though.
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<arokux1> what is the definition for the OSHW?
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<arokux1> mnemoc: this is not enough, right? ftp://imall.iteadstudio.com/ARM/IM130808010/DS_IM130808010.pdf
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<mnemoc> arokux1: on the mail I received they said they will release all the information and documents soon
<mnemoc> arokux1: and add it to our wiki...
<gzamboni> do i have to: setenv machid on uboot ? does anyone knows the machid of the A10 ?
<arokux1> mnemoc: which mail was it?
<mnemoc> arokux1: one they sent me this morning...
<mnemoc> arokux1: I didn't know that thing
<arokux1> mnemoc: sent you? :)
<arokux1> why not to our ML?
<mnemoc> yes, me.... as "owner" of the domain where the wiki lives
<mnemoc> I replied inviting them to join the irc channel and ML
<mnemoc> let's see
<wingrime> mnemoc: documents?
<arokux1> looking forward to the docs. nobody asked them, they decided to step up on their own, so maybe they will publish...
<mnemoc> "At present, we have completed volume production of this product and it will be put on sale soon. It is also an open-source design. We are now collating the documents for this board and we hope that we can publish more information on sunxi.org and include it in the hardware list that A10 and A20 supports."
<mnemoc> also thanking us for making their project progress smoothly
<wingrime> mnemoc: witch board?
<focus_it> do they have lcd that works with that board?
<wingrime> mnemoc: we can request samples)
<focus_it> i got 3 in the shopping cart - could order lcds on top if it work with that board - they seem to have lcds for arduino
<arokux1> focus_it: I'm not sure they have really tested them...
<focus_it> hmmm if i am not mistaken, they have this oled on the back of the pcb? http://imall.iteadstudio.com/display/graphic-lcm/im130625003.html
<arokux1> focus: "Moreover, there is a 128*64 OLCD screen to display real-time system information, thus expansion capability and playability of Iteaduino Plus is greatly improved."
<wingrime> oliv3r: can you poke patrik wood resend full cedarx patchset
<oliv3r> er, i'm behind 450 emails
<oliv3r> if i spot the mail, i can ask it
<wingrime> oliv3r: hi send minimal patchet, but I don't wan't ack it, I wait full sized all-inculded cedar-x patchet for merge/fixes
<wingrime> *him
<focus_it> arokux1: i found the picture http://imall.iteadstudio.com/im130808010.html "More expanded functions" section - its on an expansion board
<mnemoc> the indiegogo page has more details
<arokux1> how we have missed that campaign?! we could have ordered it for $20, now it's $57
<wingrime> arokux1: we still can ask about free samples
<focus_it> :( shame i never got to hear of it
<focus_it> they got $6k funding out of $20k they request
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<arokux1> focus_it: it was flexible funding.
<focus_it> i don't imagine i saw the cnx article - if I did its easy to miss, if the A10 on the chip was clearly visible, I probably would not have missed it
<arokux1> yesterday I've also found this shop: http://www.cooking-hacks.com/
<arokux1> it seems like a such shops are appearing like mushrooms after the rain.
<wingrime> arokux1: yes, arduino like standard platform
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<Tsvetan> arduino is just buzz word in this board
<Tsvetan> there is no way to implement Arduino functionality with A10 only
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<Tsvetan> probably the only library ported are GPIO digitalRead and digitalWrite
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<wingrime> Tsvetan: yes, but why not simply add some avr and connect uart/spi-flasher/ to a10?
<Tsvetan> indeed
<Tsvetan> its either linux either arduino
<wingrime> Tsvetan: if not arduino compatible, I better prefer Xilix ZINQ or Altera SoC
<Tsvetan> its not arduino compatible as it will not run Arduino sketches if there is no additional AVR on it
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<Tsvetan> or they can prove me wrong if show how to connect 8 servo motors to their ´arduino´ connector and move them together
<Tsvetan> running Arduino servo sketch
<wingrime> Tsvetan: you always can download AVR core and emulate AVR in Altera SoC internal FPGA
<Tsvetan> they can emulate also the ADC?
<wingrime> Tsvetan: As I remeber they have adc
<wingrime> Tsvetan: but I can be incorrect
<Tsvetan> FPGA with ADCs?
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<gzamboni> whats the difference between dtb and dts? (device tree binary and source) ?
<oliv3r> yes
<oliv3r> Tsvetan: im prettu sure the expansion board will have avr. its VERY cheap to add and only requires a uaart link
<oliv3r> you can then run arduino UI from linux on the A10 and load sketches via uart
<wingrime> oliv3r: uart and spi-flasher
<wingrime> oliv3r: RST, MISO MOSI CLK
<oliv3r> wingrime: if the arduino boatloader is in the AVR preloaded, why bother
<gzamboni> where are the dtb after i compile the kernel ? i cant find it
<oliv3r> make dtbs
<wingrime> Tsvetan: yes, Zynq-7000 have two 12-bit ADC
<gzamboni> i do a make uImage dtbs
<gzamboni> more exactly: make uImage dtbs ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- -j16 uImage modules LOADADDR=0x40008000
<oliv3r> gzamboni: arch/arm/boot/dtb
<wingrime> Tsvetan: Dual Core cortex a9 + FPGA + ADC, but not cheap
<Tsvetan> wingrime I dont want to hear for anything above $35 ;)
<oliv3r> arduino is Immensily overpriced
<gzamboni> oliv3r, i have only a dts, let me check if i got errors during the compilation
<wingrime> Tsvetan: thats hi-end
<oliv3r> for what it is; however the pricepoint is 'just right' you do get a lot of value (communtiy, support etc) for it in return
<arokux1> gzamboni: its dts, not dtb
<wingrime> Tsvetan: PCIe included
<arokux1> wingrime: where are the prices?
<Tsvetan> oliv3r from what I hear here in Bulgaria at least 90% of ppl buy Arduino clones $5-10 from China and prefer to wait 4 weeks post delivery instead to buy $30 from the official disti
<rm> oliv3r, chinese-made Ardiuno is not expensive
<rm> yes that ^
<oliv3r> well you can download the schematic, ask seeed to build PCB for you and solder it by hand easily
<oliv3r> i'd still buy the official arduino (if it didn't have a shitty-ish language/library to program for it) just to support them
<oliv3r> having said that, i owned a uno and own a mega2560 ;)
<oliv3r> and have a tons of avr's laying round
<wingrime> Tsvetan: 56$ minimum
<oliv3r> even one of those cute attiny10's with 6 legs that I am trying to find a usage for :)
<rm> possible to find cheaper, esp. if you buy 5-10 pcs
<oliv3r> those 'made in china' arduino's is kinda sickening, while cheaper, they just take the real arduino designs and manufacture them, sad sad
<rm> huh what's sad about that
<rm> it's open hardware
<oliv3r> to improve etc
<oliv3r> not to download, copy and sell :p
<rm> they just "downloaded the schematic" built PCB, soldered and are selling
<rm> open hardware model working as intended
<oliv3r> its the same as download opensource software, compiling it and putting it on a CD
<rm> one thing they really can't, is to use the Arduino name (but they still do)
<arokux1> wingrime: those are only SoCs I thought you were talking about boards
<wingrime> arokux1: sample boards are present
<arokux1> wingrime: these? http://www.zedboard.org/buy
<wingrime> arokux1: don't know
<wingrime> arokux1: look for zynq-7000
<wingrime> oliv3r: who need arduino if you can connect 6 wires to LPT and flash avr
<wingrime> arokux1: looks so
<wingrime> arokux1: 395$
<arokux1> wingrime: microZed - 199$
<Tsvetan> rm you are very confused if you think open hardware is to let other to open/copy and sell your work
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<Tsvetan> open source is made to share/learn/collaborate
<Tsvetan> what is the value which these chinese bring back to adruino project?
<rm> > made publicly available so that anyone can study, modify, distribute, make, and sell the design or hardware based on that design
<wingrime> rm: thats all does not care befor I see gerber files
<Tsvetan> yes, exept they do not study/modify etc :)
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<Tsvetan> they just rape OSHW
<rm> they do not modify your design, they are free to produce a million devices based on it and not obligated to "bring back value"
<rm> simple as that
<rm> if you disagree, maybe you're not agreeing with OSHW in the first place
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<rm> end result is
<wingrime> rm: without Alegro/Altium/kicad/ project files all that useless to reproduce
<rm> this being OSHW is beneficial to me as the end user
<rm> because I can now buy an $8 arduino board with free shipping
<rm> and not $30 board + $25 shipping
<Tsvetan> good for you then, just imaginery at one point Massimo and Co sales will go colse to 0 and he will lost interest to develop this further
<Tsvetan> like this happend to Maple
<rm> yeah, like this happened to Linus Torvalds, who didn't get royalty from every shipped linux kernel
<rm> and lost interest and closed down the project
<rm> OH WAIT that didn't happen!
<Tsvetan> open source software and open source hardware are quite different
<Tsvetan> although similar
<mnemoc> software is zero-cost/effort to copy, hw is not
<Tsvetan> Linus need just computer to do what he does, Massimo and Co invest money to produce this stuff, deal with distributorship etc
<wingrime> Tsvetan: why you not used IDC connector for camera in a20-som?
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<Tsvetan> wingrime because A20-SOM must be small
<wingrime> base board isn't small
<arokux1> rm: so what are the stimuli for the original designers to continue their work. clearly there are advantage of the end users, but what about designers of the oshw?
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<oliv3r> wingrime: the only thing special about arduino, is the ID and its libs. So you need to be compatible with that. being able to use '/dev/ttyS1' and use the IDE as normal is a major +
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<mnemoc> most people can't (or doesn't want) just build it's own "copy" of oshw, it's usually cheaper/easier/faster to just buy it from the author
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<oliv3r> rm: i agree with Tsvetan that you are somewhat misguided as to what OSHW means
<arokux1> I do not think rm is misguided, copying and selling is allowed, so you can do it.
<Tsvetan> Maple group wanted to make better Arduino and had 32 bit Arduino platform two years before Arduino Due, unfortunately 99% of Arduino users just blink LEDs and do not need better platform, even now I guess Mega and Due sales are less than 5% total
<arokux1> there is another part - "a feeling you need to give something back" but that is not clearly defined.
<wingrime> oliv3r: IDE? I usualy use makefile, or there nice AVR Studio
<oliv3r> wingrime: you windows whore :p
<oliv3r> wingrime: i do avr work using avr-gcc and avr-dude :p
<Tsvetan> so their sales were so small that they decided to now put more time to develop further
<wingrime> oliv3r: no, I not use windows at home
<oliv3r> wingrime: i was teasing you :)
<oliv3r> wingrime: what have you done with avr?
<wingrime> oliv3r: only in Virtual Box for OrCad and altium
<oliv3r> so you haven't made anything yet?
<oliv3r> I only toy
<Tsvetan> same will happend with any project, if you cant pay your bills you move forward, no matter open source or closed source
<wingrime> oliv3r: antenna directivity diagram measure
<oliv3r> the difference with linus is, he gets payed by the linux-foundation
<wingrime> oliv3r: stepper engine+adc
<oliv3r> arduino folks won't care as long as it doesn't hit their bottom line to hard
<oliv3r> if they are making no profit/loss; they'll call it quits i'm sure
<oliv3r> but just blalantly downloading the gerbers and manufacture them far under the price of the original, while allowed, is just sleezy
<wingrime> oliv3r: in other hand , copyes add propularity and free ad
<mnemoc> most open source software developers don't *live* (eat, pay bills) with that
<wingrime> oliv3r: also, I made termo-relay
<focus_it> placed order for 2 x http://imall.iteadstudio.com/im130808010.html
<oliv3r> wingrime: lots of interesting stuff then :)
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<wingrime> oliv3r: not many
<Tsvetan> mnemoc but what they show as coding ability in the open source projects make them easy to find paid projects
<wingrime> oliv3r: I tryed make ps/2 keylogger
<wingrime> oliv3r: but failed do it on attiny2313
<oliv3r> wingrime: sometimes. there's people who download strip/replace logo's of the gimp for example, then sell it on e-bay. I find that ot be sleasy ;)
<oliv3r> wingrime: tehre's a few usb keyloggeers; ps/2 should be asily possible to no?
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<mnemoc> Tsvetan: yes, it's a living CV
<oliv3r> wingrime: or attiny 2313 strapped on resources? You should even be able to do it with a attiny85 no? 1 pin to snoop data, 1 pin to snoop clock
<wingrime> oliv3r: mmc connector
<oliv3r> the freq. is between 10 and 17 kHz
<oliv3r> ahh, storing data
<oliv3r> wingrime: how about using USI-> SPI and use some SPI flash?
<wingrime> oliv3r: I have only 128 bytes of ram
<wingrime> oliv3r: but mmc sector 512 bytes
<oliv3r> i think attiny85 while only 8 pins, does have 512 bytes of ram
<oliv3r> still not enough, but better :)
<wingrime> oliv3r: thats too small too
<oliv3r> i would just write raw data to mmc if you can or otherwise use a big SPI EEPROM
<wingrime> oliv3r: data write need delays for SPI proto, but IRQ that recive keybits kill timings
<oliv3r> it's smaller then too!
<oliv3r> yeah
<arokux1> there is nothing that is sleezy, there are things that are allowed and not allowed and only those two words count out there in the wild. so the licensees should be appropriate and protect original designers somehow.
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<oliv3r> just because you are allowed to be a douchebag, doesn't make it cool to be a douchebag
<arokux1> oliv3r: I'm not saying I'm like this, I'm trying to explain how the world is moving around.
<arokux1> in the end of the day it is the number of the customers that counts
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<oliv3r> arokux1: you as in general yo, not you you :)
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<oliv3r> arokux1: du vs sie?
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<arokux1> so although I am a supporter of the everything open source I do realize there are difficulties for the original author to figure out a waterproof business model
<oliv3r> in the real world it doesn't matter
<oliv3r> because nofi chinese copy everything anyway and sell it for cheap
<oliv3r> wether it is allowed or not, wether it is open or closed
<oliv3r> if they can copy it and sell it at a (small) profit, they do it
<mnemoc> it didn't take long to the mars people to clone the cubieboard, even been closed source hardware
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<mripard> arokux1: also, I don't know about Tsvetan and olimex, but I know a few OSHW that just use their OSHW as marketing, to be able to gain clients for custom designs
<mripard> and since it's mostly marketing, and not really what pays their bill, they have the luxury to sell the board at a loss
<mnemoc> in the same way open source software devs can use their public code as CV, and get jobs or consultancy
<mripard> exactly
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<Tsvetan> mripard sure OSHW brings custom projects
<Tsvetan> and of course you cant stop other to copy your projects if you keep them closed source
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<Tsvetan> the boards we shipped as custom designs and derivative work based on OLinuXino for customers are more as number than the Olinuxino boards we sold
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<mripard> Tsvetan: good to know :)
<Tsvetan> so Im not very concerned that one could copy and sell OLinuXino at the moment, as people mostly buy it to evaluate and solve problem, then come back and ask for custom board to solve their problem
<gzamboni> arokux1, now i see the .dtb in the dts dir, thanks, i was pointing out the dts, thats probably why it wasnt booting
<mripard> gzamboni: yeah, you have to use the dtb :)
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<Tsvetan> hehehe ´real fake without HDMI´
<lunra> I think because they are trying to imply that their design is the original
<gzamboni> damn, still getting Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00001008).
<Tsvetan> 80 Lumen is pretty low normal projectors are 3500-4000Lm
<focus_it> a fake real with hdmi is just hdmi with no projector
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<lunra> oh, but I just realised 'real fake' is kind of an oxymoron
<Tsvetan> resolution 640x480 this is not far from the real fake :))) unless you want to watch HDMI in this resolution
<lunra> oh, that reminds me, can an A10 do 1280x800/other arbitrary resolutions on HDMI, or must it be 720/1080?
<focus_it> lunra: you can buy "90 degree" right angled usb/sata sockets in aliexpress
<mnemoc> lunra: as long as they are multiples of 4, they can be done. just pass the right kernel command line argument
<arokux1> gzamboni: what are you booting?
<lunra> ah, so the FEX-defined resolution can be ignored?
<lunra> wait...'FEX', was that the extension? :|
<focus_it> lunra: also I imagine you can buy 90 degree vertical usb/sata connectors in aliexpress
<mnemoc> lunra: yes
<mnemoc> lunra: that's only used when no edid or no kernel command line arg is given
<gzamboni> linux kernel 3.11
<mnemoc> and*
<lunra> Ah, excellent.
<lunra> Thanks mnemoc :)
<mnemoc> thank those who implemented it ;-)
<lunra> I mean for the information, but those who implemented it can have thanks also :)
<mnemoc> =)
<lunra> (I'd have actually tested it, but I'm waiting for a new panel to arrive, and the TV I was using before oddly won't take anything buy 720p/1080p from HDMI)
<lunra> *but
<focus_it> what i'd like is a pico projector embedded into the end of a HDMI connector - easy to tell a fake then - just wave the end of the HDMI cable at a wall,,,, and nothing happenz
<lunra> On that note about FEX stuff being changeable, can GPIOs be defined at runtime? Or must they be named in FEX?
<gzamboni> got it, i just changed the address with the ones mripards used: 0x46000000 for uImage and 0x49000000 for the dtb with the env set fdt_high ffffffff workaround
<arokux1> gzamboni: +1 do you want to do some kernel hacking?
<gzamboni> if im capable of yes, why not
<arokux1> gzamboni: cool!
<mnemoc> lunra: in 3.10+ it's dynamic. olders need a list of ports in the .fex
<gzamboni> humm, without the workaround it boots as well
<arokux1> gzamboni: it will if the size of the image is "right"
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<arokux1> how can Chinese ship at zero cost?!?
<mnemoc> much larger quantities, bulk transport and.... subsidises
<arokux1> mnemoc: suppose they ship to Germany with a big ship. how do they pay shipping in Germany?
<Sonicadvance1> Hides it in with the drugs
<mnemoc> arokux1: in the same way spam companies do. bulk posting contracts
<n01> mripard: about the rtc patch I have just a couple of issue. (1) the code is correctly indented but the "+" sign in the patch breaks the indentation. When you apply the patch everything is ok
<mnemoc> arokux1: while normal fellows get screwed badly
<arokux1> mnemoc: but even amazon cannot offer free shipping...
<n01> (2) about the 500ms. I don't know actually why the delay is that huge. but in the aw code is always 500ms
<arokux1> mnemoc: (or amazon doesn't want to)
<atsampson> Amazon shipping is drastically inflated over the actual cost -- which is why items can sell for 1p on Amazon...
<mnemoc> amazon doesn't build their own harbours and distributions warehouses in strategic places world wide
<arokux1> mnemoc: I mean amazon.de shipping from Germany to Germany
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<mnemoc> using DHL :p
<mnemoc> who enjoys screwing people
<arokux1> mnemoc: you just had a bad luck :)
<mnemoc> I'm been billed in .es from DHL more than the cost of the goods for their service to passing the customs things that should normally even been ignored by the customs
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<mnemoc> and that's *delivery* cost. after having paid their absured shipping costs
<mnemoc> Turl has even worse stories regarding DHL.ar iirc
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<gzamboni> mnemoc we could start adding CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=y and CONFIG_GPIO_SYSFS=y to the defconf of the 3.10
<mnemoc> gzamboni: patches to the ML please :)
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<arokux1> gzamboni: have you booted 3.10 or mainline? :)
<gzamboni> 3.11.3 mainline
<gzamboni> but i started the defconf from the sunxi 3.1O branch
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<gzamboni> as there is no good defconf in the mainline for the sunxi platforms
<mnemoc> gzamboni: sunxi-devel is open for patches too ;-)
<mnemoc> defconfig patches
<mnemoc> sunxi-devel is 3.12.0-rc4-88516-gb6e9d2d currently
<mnemoc> and that makes the "nightlies" more useful, and encourages people to test things
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<n01> gzamboni: I use the sunxi_defconfig to boot mainline
<n01> it has been submitted by mripard
<gzamboni> yes, its the one i got from the sunxi 3.10 branch, but its not on the kernel 3.11.3 i downloaded from kernel.org
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<mnemoc> gzamboni: that's why I told you to use sunxi-devel if you want bleeding edge sunxi "mainline"
<mnemoc> helps testing things that are in process of mainlining too
<gzamboni> i will do so =)
<mripard> n01: reply by mail please, or all the other mail recipients won't get your explanations
<arokux1> gzamboni: you should develop on top of sunxi-next, not devel.
<n01> mripard: the problem is that I really want to avoid replying the I dunno aw set the delay @ 500ms
* mnemoc wonders what's the connection between sunxi-devel and sunxi-next
<n01> docs sucks as you know
<mripard> n01: why ?
<mnemoc> Turl: does sunxi-devel track master or sunxi-next ?
<arokux1> mnemoc: sunxi-devel is like linux-next, sunxi-next contains accepted patches.
<mnemoc> ok
<n01> because I actually dunno why it takes so long
<mripard> if you have no idea, you have no idea, just test without the delays, and get back to us
<mripard> arokux1: no.
<arokux1> mnemoc: so sunxi-devel contains all the patches (accepted and not accepted)
<mripard> sunxi-devel is nothing like linux-next
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<mnemoc> mripard: is it possible to host sunxi-next in linux-sunxi's github? I'll make nightlies from it too
<mnemoc> 3h-ly actually
<n01> mripard: ok
<mripard> linux-next is just an aggregation of all the patches that will make it in the next release
<mripard> sunxi-next is that, only about sunxi stuff
<mripard> sunxi-devel is sunxi-next + all the patches that have been posted so far
<arokux1> ah, I thought linux-next includes stuff not yet ACKed.
<mnemoc> mripard: yes, but to have both in the same repo
<mnemoc> mripard: just gave you push access
<mnemoc> more community, less individuals :)
<mripard> mnemoc: I find convenient to have the sunxi-next branch along with the branches where I actually merge things
<mnemoc> ok
<mnemoc> but it's just another remote...
<mnemoc> anyhow, ok
<mripard> another remote that you have to have anyway
<mripard> feel free to mirror it though
<mripard> it shouldn't be rebased
<arokux1> Tsvetan: so there is a development of a more powerful platform
<n01> gee, I hate arduino
<n01> it is the ubuntu of the hardware
<Tsvetan> arokux1 yes I know for TRE the AVR on this board is non-sense when Sitara have two 200Mhz real time co-processors which are more capable than AVR, but now they can BUZZ Arduino
<Turl> mnemoc: lol, 'or the phone'
<Turl> mnemoc: master, read the fine wiki :)
<mnemoc> Turl: :p
<mnemoc> no sunxi-devel or sunxi-next at http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux
<arokux1> mnemoc: you always said it is a wiki :p
<Turl> add them after reading that :p
<arokux1> mnemoc: there is: "See also Linux mainlining effort."
<arokux1> Tsvetan: maybe they are using AVR because of compatibility reasons.
<mnemoc> arokux1: :)
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<mnemoc> Turl: anyhow, we have 1h-ly mirror of sunxi-next now, and 3h-ly nightlies of it, http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi-next/
<mnemoc> module-less defconfigs are now supported
<Turl> yay
<arokux1> mnemoc: how can those 3h-ly builds be used in real life except of "nice to have"?
<mnemoc> arokux1: the job runs every 3h
<Turl> arokux1: you can boottest sunxi-devel without even building now! :)
<mnemoc> arokux1: but only rebuilt if the branch head has changed
<mnemoc> no point in collecting identical tarballs
<mnemoc> it's only to "react fast enough"
<mnemoc> I might even switch it to hourly
<mnemoc> mirror syncing hourly at *:14, nightlies at *:42
<mnemoc> nightly includes both linux and u-boot
<mnemoc> now need to continue $working$ :<
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<mnemoc> http://sprunge.us/QdCE ... wondering how fast will it grow
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<mnemoc> http://sprunge.us/XehR better
<arokux1> mnemoc: hm, it will only grow if new branches appear.
<mnemoc> and the nightly/ tree archive
<mnemoc> but only when there are changes in the corresponding branches
<mnemoc> but as long as people uses it, it's worthy
<arokux1> mnemoc: resources are not used anyway, are they?
<mnemoc> nope
<mnemoc> there is not shortage of storage or bandwidth
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<jemk> wingrime: funny what one finds when randomly setting bits in control regs: http://linux-sunxi.org/VE_Register_guide#MACC_H264_CTRL
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<mnemoc> hno: is there any u-boot branch I should mirror and "nightly" build beside the normal sunxi? http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/nightly/u-boot-sunxi/u-boot-sunxi-latest/
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<wingrime> ssvb: jemk findout that cedar can produce luma histogram when decoding h264
<wingrime> ssvb: more one useless feature.....
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<wingrime> oliv3r: little magic
<oliv3r> oh?
<wingrime> oliv3r: wiki can join many pages at one
<oliv3r> nice inde
<oliv3r> index
<oliv3r> awesome
<oliv3r> turl ^
<oliv3r> that pdf generated from the pdf addon installed in the wiki?
<wingrime> oliv3r: no, firefox
<oliv3r> ah well we do have a pdf generator installed on the wiki
<Turl> looks like firefox print mode indeed
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<wingrime> oliv3r: if cleanup it, It will be nice guide
<wingrime> Turl: can you add at least latex formulas?
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<Turl> wingrime: we have latex support already
<Turl> oliv3r: ^
<oliv3r> Turl: whut
<wingrime> oliv3r: formulas as image in CCM page are very ugly
<Turl> wingrime: it is latex
<oliv3r> wingrime: that's math-latex
<oliv3r> those are rendered images
<wingrime> Turl: that wiki->latex exporter
<wingrime> Turl: why not
<Turl> I'm ok with that
<Turl> mnemoc: ^ ?
<oliv3r> but why
<oliv3r> we allready have wiki -> pdf export
<Turl> oliv3r: I think this does wiki -> tex
<Turl> then you can edit tex and make it prettier :)
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<oliv3r> but then you always have to edit the tex; the wiki should be pretty and export prettyly :)
<mnemoc> and break the single point of trust....
<mnemoc> better improve the template the pdf generator uses
<mnemoc> oliv3r: +1
<arokux1> why do we need a pdf at all?
<mnemoc> offline and printing docu
<arokux1> you can print wiki pages to pdf
<wingrime> mnemoc: you always have remove todo/unfinised stuff from latex before print
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<wingrime> jemk: nice findings
<wingrime> jemk: but again without use
<jemk> wingrime: lol, but useless
<wingrime> jemk: also mpeg should have same
<arokux1> jemk: Benn told me you were not among 16 ppl that got ct donated
<wingrime> jemk: and what are you think about join cedus repo with pablo vp8's example?
<jemk> arokux1: wtf, but i got the mail and he asked me for shipping address
<wingrime> arokux1: thats bad
<Turl> wingrime: what is chroma, luma etc?
<Turl> wingrime: I think disp had ioctl related to that
<wingrime> arokux1: hi did major impact
<arokux1> jemk: what is ur e-mail?
<oliv3r> Turl: chrominance and luminance, svideo output for example
<oliv3r> composite combines those two
<oliv3r> luminance is pure brightness (greyscale) of a video
<oliv3r> chrominance is only the color information
<Turl> oh
<wingrime> Turl: all old analog TV work like that
<arokux1> jemk: do you have a list of those 16 e-mail addresses? (I do)
<oliv3r> i'm pretty sure i've put jemk on the list
<wingrime> Turl: thats was made for make old - b/w tv work when you transmit color image
<arokux1> oliv3r: what is his e-mail
<jemk> arokux1, oliv3r: i got the mail from benn to the first 15 ppl
<oliv3r> somewhere in my email client :p
<Turl> wingrime: so b/w tv only decodes luma? cool
<oliv3r> yep
<jemk> so i guess i was on the list
<wingrime> Turl: yes, old b/w analog tv will work with color transmitt, so signal have backward compatiblity
<wingrime> Turl: and if you recive SECAM signal, PAL only TV will works but without colors
<arokux1> oliv3r: I wonder how many ppl from these 16 have got a board already.
<jemk> now i am a little bit confused...
<Turl> arokux1: benn explicitely asked for jemk address, he probably got confused when replying you
<arokux1> no idea.
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<oliv3r> we used the spreadsheet frmo the cubieboard2 dev thing to look through persons who should have one
<oliv3r> and we explicitly added jemk and arokux; but didn't have jemk's address yet (as he didn't participate in the cb2 thing)
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<jemk> wingrime: it works with mpeg engine too, there it is bit 16, but who cares?!
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<WarheadsSE> i has my cb2..
<WarheadsSE> but no cbt
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<wingrime> jemk: just for referenct
<wingrime> jemk: but what a buffer for a13???
<wingrime> jemk: decoding worked without???
<jemk> wingrime: i think you noticed this error, you had green lines without it
<wingrime> jemk: yeah, but I thinked that was in h264 reg block
<wingrime> jemk: not general one
<jemk> wingrime: you could try to play mpeg on a13, if you have green lines there too we know why it is in general block
<wingrime> jemk: last time it worked nice (mpeg-sample)
<wingrime> jemk: also, can you get what MACC_VE_MMCREQ_WNUM do
<wingrime> jemk: MMC REQuest Write Number?
<jemk> wingrime: it counts something, but i don't know what.
<wingrime> jemk: or Memory Controler Request write number?
<wingrime> jemk: its incrementing?
<wingrime> jemk: can you try write to SRAM and check it?
<wingrime> jemk: or try run startcode search
<wingrime> jemk: also how you figured that historgram?
<jemk> wingrime: it is roughly proportional to input size, so i guess it counts, but maybe its something different
<wingrime> jemk: you can comparea histogram (jpeg) with any soft
<jemk> wingrime: i randomly set bits in ctrl reg to find out what it does and watched the whole register space for changing bits, the rest was loooong thinking till i had an idea what these values could mean
<jemk> wingrime: it is compared, i verified my idea this way
<wingrime> jemk: there is anything unknown in genreal block
<wingrime> jemk: I think you can enable something in general block and than try change CTRL
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<arokux2> wingrime: not Designware? why?
<wingrime> arokux2: I checked rk's blobs/kernel code
<arokux2> wingrime: and?
<wingrime> arokux2: no anything match
<wingrime> arokux2: absolutly different
<arokux2> arokux2: rk uses Designware?
<wingrime> arokux2: yes
<wingrime> arokux2: it have DW word's in blob
<jemk> i think cedar is something allwinner/(earlier allwinner names) specific
<wingrime> jemk: cedar was in F15 - first chip
<wingrime> jemk: thats chip have ARMV6 cpu
<jmss> hi. i'm trying to connect A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB to a DVI/VGA monitor with an HDMI->DVI cable
<wingrime> jemk: and, it have done without ARM license
<jmss> either with the official Debian image, or the unofficial Arch Linux one, the display keeps alternating between dark black (like if off) and flickering bright black (like if sleeping)
<wingrime> jemk: company was 3 years old, and do you think is possible
<jmss> i've tried changing the script.bin to other resolutions and also kernel boot resolution but it didn't seem to work
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<wingrime> jemk: also, I now have no idea where AVS jizun coded handled
<wingrime> jemk: as it not have own engine
<oliv3r> we are now on cedarX ver. 3 if i'm not mistaken?
<oliv3r> whatever comes after a80 will have ver. current+1 anyway
<wingrime> oliv3r: thats more funny
<oliv3r> also remember, the F15 came from 'boxchip' not allwinner if i'm not mistaken
<wingrime> oliv3r: boxchip==allwinner==sochip
<wingrime> oliv3r: F15 also was other OEM name
<wingrime> oliv3r: some telecast
<oliv3r> wasn't boxchip the company that was before allwinner got formed?
<wingrime> oliv3r: it's looks like remullatech
<oliv3r> remullatech is fake name for allwinner
<oliv3r> remulla is allwinner backwards/upsidedown
<wingrime> oliv3r: F15 was produced with 4 other names
<wingrime> boxchip F15
<wingrime> sochip F15
<wingrime> err
<arokux2> why a zillion of names?!
<wingrime> sochip sc8600
<wingrime> arokux2: becose it was unlicensed ARM
<wingrime> arokux2: also A10 sometimes called boxchip A10
<arokux2> wingrime: where did they get the cores then?
<oliv3r> steal
<arokux2> oliv3r: where? :)
<oliv3r> well from other chinese :p
<oliv3r> or from their old design
<arokux2> it would be interesting to have a look
<oliv3r> use the 'sample' in mass production
<wingrime> arokux2: from some othere chinse ))
<arokux2> wingrime: which has licensed it from ARM?
<wingrime> SoChip SC8600 aka Teclast T7200
<wingrime> arokux2: yes
<wingrime> ARMv6 ARM926-EJS
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<wingrime> arokux2: notice axp nearly
<arokux2> hm.. when the law enforcement will come to china..?
<wingrime> arokux2: when it will be profitable for county
<arokux2> wingrime: I think western governments should show more aggression in this respect
<wingrime> arokux2: that silent agree from china goverment, ARM not china complany, so they does not care
<wingrime> arokux2: USA do same in 19-centry
<Turl> arokux2: any USBy news? :)
<wingrime> arokux2: no autorship from outside USA
<wingrime> *authorship
<arokux2> Turl: I'm looking for the proper way to handle the common (between EHCI and OHCI) reset bit........ it was handled as clock, but now there is a new, shiny and dumb reset framework...
<wingrime> arokux2: pll's have undocumented reset bit
<arokux2> wingrime: why undocumented? ;)
<wingrime> arokux2: I think
<wingrime> arokux2: who know, some registers becomes documented when new manual recived, but regs was ...
<arokux2> wingrime: everything is in source code.
<wingrime> arokux2: for example a10 have HDMI regs documented only in a20 manual
<arokux2> wingrime: use src
<wingrime> arokux2: only bits, without any comment
<wingrime> arokux2: oh, TV encoder driver thats good example
<wingrime> arokux2: only magic values
<wingrime> arokux2: no more
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<arokux2> wingrime: Chinese handled reset bits as clocks
<arokux2> wingrime: the bits normally have "reset" in their names.
<wingrime> ююю
<wingrime> ...
<oliv3r> western countries won't do such a thing because it offers them cheap hardware ;)
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<arokux2> oliv3r: governments worry about taxes, not hardware
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<focus_it> Cubieboard + 2.5" SATA brick shaped PC case design http://www.gplsquared.com/eoma_boot/eoma_boot.html#cubie_sata_brick - design files there in dxf to make own by laser cutting 3mm acrylic if you got a hackspace nearby for example
<jelly-home> focus_it: is there any chance for that sata and hdd power cable to be tucked neatly _inside_ the case?
<focus_it> jelly-home: i tried not enough space - need to ge a more flexible lead made up or make box bigger
<wingrime> who use gentoo on sunxi?
<oliv3r> wingrime: steev and ssvb iirc
<steev> Sup
<wingrime> steev: how much it faster debian??
<steev> No idea. I run gentoo on it because I prefer gentoo
<steev> I also run Kali on them, which is based off wheezy
<steev> But that's only to make sure it works
<wingrime> steev: I hoped there any sence rebuild it with neon and vfp
<wingrime> oliv3r: hsang resend that crappy sun5i patch!!
<wingrime> oliv3r: poke him
<wingrime> oliv3r: writel should work!
<steev> wingrime: my cb2 runs with mfpu=neon-vfpv4
<wingrime> steev: firefox usable?
<steev> dafuq
<steev> who still uses firefox
<wingrime> steev: for me only dillo usable
<steev> i use dwb myself
<steev> but, i don't have it installed on there at the moment because webkit-gtk was giving me grief
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<steev> trying to remember what it was that was giving me grief
<steev> something about neon
<oliv3r> wingrime: i don't like that patch one bit
<oliv3r> i use firefox
<oliv3r> why wouldn't I?
<wingrime> SLOW
<steev> what patch
<lunra> Firefox doesn't have that awkward habit of sending your history to Google.
<lunra> OTOH I use a Chromebook, and I'm not sure if Chromium ships without doing that.
<wingrime> steev: he use direct writes instead of writel
<steev> the awkward habit that you have to turn on ?
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<steev> yeah, so awkward
<steev> wingrime: i more meant, what patch since i haven't checked my mail all day
<steev> mostly because i'm trying to find something that i was working on all day and now it's seemed to have gone poof
<wingrime> *(volatile unsigned int *)WATCH_DOG_MODE_REG = 0;
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<oliv3r> i have 3 instances of firefox, 1 ont he laptop; 1 at work, 1 at my desktop
<oliv3r> i use (my own private) sync server
<oliv3r> i have total about 150 tabs open
<oliv3r> most are 'todo' tabs :)
* hno kills tabs every day-
<wingrime> oliv3r: firefox slow with sunxi
<oliv3r> i should too hno :)
<oliv3r> wingrime: i haven't tried it onsunxi
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<oliv3r> lunra: chromium != chrome (well not on gentoo atleast)
<oliv3r> chromium is the opensource build
<hno> neither have I. The closest I have got is compiling it on armhf, even if not sunxi. Never actually ran it.
<oliv3r> but lets face it, all webbrowsers are big and bloated, and it won't get any lighter soon, 'the web' only becomes more demanding
<hno> cromium is the opensource "public facing version" of chrome. Last time I looked there is many things not available in Chromium. Not sure I would miss any.
<hno> compiling firefox and it's dependencies on armhf is... somewhat demanding and gcc gets very close to te process size limitations of 32-bit.
<oliv3r> i'd crosscompile ;)
<oliv3r> i haven't read my mail since friday, 500 mails on my lists :S
<oliv3r> mostly u-boot
<oliv3r> but i think i got some responds to my get_ram_size patch; so curious about that tomorrow
<libv> anyone remember the url of the sunxi debian repositories?
* libv is looking into getting a "hacked" mesa fully packaged for debian
<oliv3r> oh! but no i don't recall :(
<oliv3r> and ... bed time toO! so can't look :(
<oliv3r> nn :)
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<arokux2> hno: will you take a look at usb patches for u-boot?
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<arokux2> libv: cool
<libv> mnemoc / Turl: does either of you know what the status of that is?
<libv> it seems pretty dead, but it does not seem too hard to revive or to turn this into something useful
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<lunra> oliv3r: Yea, I know the difference -- indeed the point I was making was that the opensource one might not send data to Google
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<arokux2> RK again goes for Mali
<libv> t624 :)
<libv> fosdem is around the time that i hope to have done some initial mali t6xx work
<libv> me and connor currently only scratched the surface
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