<HeHoPMaJIeH>
Solaris and Pravetz OS looks interesting :)
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<wingrime>
more one linux distro
<EGM>
arokux1: Thanks for reply in mailing list. I will try to test the issue on Hackberry board as well, but I don't have much time right now...
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<mnemoc>
moin
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<allen>
Usage ./build-image.sh <Fedora-arm-panda-img-in> <Fedora-arm-a10-img-out> Who know the parameter?
<mnemoc>
allen: they are filenames
<mnemoc>
based only on that text. you download the image for panda, provide it as first argument, and the output (second argument) will be a10 compatible
<allen>
Thank you very much . I am trying the bilding the Fedora 19 ARM for Allwinner A10 disk image into cubieboar .
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<gzamboni>
mnemoc, seems like an interesting dev board
<mnemoc>
yes
<gzamboni>
i'm trying to build the mainline kernel and i'm getting an error: multiple (or no) load addresses: This is incompatible with uImages Specify LOADADDR on the commandline to build an uImage
<gzamboni>
am i missing something ?
<gzamboni>
the dts should be in the same place of the old script.bin ?
<oliv3r>
OSHW, i'll belive it when i see schematics
<Tsvetan>
no way, they are chinese :)
<mnemoc>
"At present, we have completed volume production of this product and it will be put on sale soon. It is also an open-source design. We are now collating the documents for this board and we hope that we can publish more information on sunxi.org and include it in the hardware list that A10 and A20 supports."
<allen>
oliv3r mnemoc: Thank you! I know that it is diffcult to me .
<mnemoc>
Tsvetan: but I'll also be amazed to see real oshw from .cn
<Tsvetan>
tom said these guys were selling his boards then screw him
<mnemoc>
ow
<mnemoc>
:(
<Tsvetan>
all you will see is PDF with schematic for the revision before last one :)))
<mnemoc>
Tsvetan: if they publish the info, it will be nice to see if it's based on yours or not
<Tsvetan>
this is bs for the campain
<mnemoc>
it's from the mail...
<mnemoc>
but it can be BS too
<Tsvetan>
Tom said they are not good with the software and when sold his boards always asked for help for this or that, now when they copy his indiegogo he obviously do not help them, so they may look for other place where to ask for software related issues and this is why they contacted you?
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<aaron_>
hello
<gzamboni>
humm, it just compiled well, but when booting: Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00001008). Do i have to identify its an A10 somewhere ?
<mnemoc>
gzamboni: you have to configure u-boot to do dtb booting
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<mnemoc>
gzamboni: btw, all sunxi branches (including the one tracking mainline, sunxi-devel) accepts defconfig improvements to make the nightly builds usable as-is
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<oliv3r>
gzamboni: if you want to use dtb (with current u-boot) boot as bootm 0xkernel 0xinitramfs 0xdtb
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<oliv3r>
gzamboni: otherwise if you boot script.bin boot with bootm 0xkernel
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<gzamboni>
humm, ok, im adapting my uboot as im booting from a nfs
<gzamboni>
Does the 3.10 branch of the sunxi git has more drivers/functionalities than the mainline ?
<oliv3r>
first learn to crawl, before you run :)
<oliv3r>
gzamboni: not yet, 3.10 should have all the 3.12-rc5 drivers however
<oliv3r>
the intention is to bring 3.4 drivers to 3.10
<oliv3r>
but i'm a little time constrained atm
<gzamboni>
ok, thanks
<oliv3r>
patches welcome (tm)
<mnemoc>
also 3.10 is an LTS and android supported so it will receive non-sunxi fixes too
<gzamboni>
:) i will try to , im a newbie into the kernel, started up this year, i'm playing with a keypad matrix driver and with an iio for the moment, just to learn how things work
<gzamboni>
interesting to know mnemoc, so maybe it will be some patches from allwinner
<gzamboni>
but i supose they are still using kernel 3.4
<mnemoc>
hopefully it helps to get aw using (and contributing! to) our tree instead of vomiting they stuff on top of the next android kernel
<mnemoc>
their*
<gzamboni>
did you tried to contact eva ?
<mnemoc>
i gave up on that over a year ago
<gzamboni>
Why dont you present the sunxi project ad Fosdem and invite Eva.
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: ----^
<gzamboni>
if she doesnt come you can tell what you fell in the presentation
<gzamboni>
i will be surely present if you guys pretend to be at fosdem.
<oliv3r>
gzamboni: way ahead of ya ;)
<oliv3r>
the proposal deadline was okt. 1st; and i submitted my proposal 2 weeks before that ;)
<oliv3r>
but no word yet so don't know if we're accepted
<oliv3r>
though i might be giving away too much info allready :)
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<gzamboni>
they will accept it, dont worry, i saw some shity presententions at fosdem 2013
<gzamboni>
impossible to be worst that some of them i watched :P
<mnemoc>
i think it's more about the "relevance" of the project than the quality of the proposal/presentation
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<oliv3r>
i think it's highly relevant, but also I am biased
<gzamboni>
sunxi is really relevant
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<oliv3r>
to us absolutly, but to others, that begs theq uestion
<gzamboni>
in my opinion its very relevant.
<oliv3r>
so you are biased as well ;)
<gzamboni>
but if its up to the sponsors to decide ... :(
<oliv3r>
i suppose so
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: collecting "signatures" from important supporters might help....
<mnemoc>
like hansg, libv, sr, hno, ...
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: right now, the proposal is submited, and we wait
<mnemoc>
sir yes sir
<oliv3r>
libv hangs out in #fosdem and he said it was a good idea ;)
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<gzamboni>
mripard did some presentations there, maybe he can "sign" also
<gzamboni>
as i see freeelectrons is an important player in the embedded world
<mnemoc>
oh, I forgot mripard :( *shame*
* mnemoc
needs more coffee to wake up
* oliv3r
dislikes coffee
<gzamboni>
me 2
<oliv3r>
ok how can they 'sign' what? :p
* gzamboni
2
* mripard
wonders how can one dislike coffee
<oliv3r>
the fosdem team discusses applications internally dont' they?
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<oliv3r>
mripard: i occasionally drink tea, but not black (flavored) tea
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: sending an email to whoever organizes the event "endorsing" the relevance of the project
<oliv3r>
green tea or something light
<mnemoc>
green tea gets toxic quickly...
<oliv3r>
i do enjoy power drinks, but can't drink them, after 3 cans my heart is about to explode :p but i have the same with cola :)
<oliv3r>
i don't drink caffeine really
<oliv3r>
i boil it, i drink it
<FR^2>
oliv3r: Ah, you're already on the stage where you take it intravenously?
<oliv3r>
but last tea I drank must have been 8 months ago
* mnemoc
drinks at least 15 mugs of coffee per day :\
<gzamboni>
oliv3r, you can ask all those ppls why is important that the sunxi project to be in Fosdem 2014 and send to the fosdem staff all the positive answers
<mnemoc>
maybe there are patches for that
<mnemoc>
I mean, caffeine aditction
<oliv3r>
haha there are :p
<oliv3r>
gzamboni: well there is not 'official' way to endorse it that way, so it sounds kinda pushy imo
<gzamboni>
yeah, better just wait
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: but better pushing first, than trying to push when it's already falling down...
<lunra>
caffeine comes in patch form?? Sweet, another route of administration -- if I use all of them at once I must get super wired!
<lunra>
selling out to some halfhearted 'geek' trend where nobody actually knows what they're talking about.
<popolon>
s/caffeine/guarana/
<lunra>
That doesn't mean their entire customer base is like that though.
<popolon>
also countain some cafein
<lunra>
(also iirc thinkgeek don't ship bioconsumables out of US/Canada?)
<popolon>
too much caffeine is bad for heart and can get nervous, guarana get brain a little more active and keep soft
<mnemoc>
I miss coffee grains covered with chocolate
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<lunra>
I miss easier access to more potent stimulants... *cough*
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: go to aldi/hover/lidl and get some
<popolon>
sometime written warana
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: really? they exist?
<mnemoc>
\o/
<oliv3r>
i'm sure
<n01>
sure they exist
<n01>
lol
<popolon>
this is legal one
<FR^2>
Oergs... I just read about the myth of guarana. I'm never going to drink/consume that stuff again!
<oliv3r>
depends on the region though; but i'm sure you can easily buy it in germany, germans love their cofffee too
<oliv3r>
in NL they just use pot instead
<popolon>
FR^2, why for ?
<n01>
pot makes me sleepy
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: on which supermarket section they tend to be?
<popolon>
i drink some before drawing, that's really efficient
<FR^2>
popolon: "According to a myth attributed to the Sateré-Maué tribe, guarana's domestication originated with a deity killing a beloved village child. To console the villagers, a more benevolent god plucked the left eye from the child and planted it in the forest, resulting in the wild variety of guarana. The god then plucked the right eye from the child and planted it in the village, giving rise to domesticated guarana."
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: candy
<popolon>
and I still can sleep after
<FR^2>
popolon: Wikipedia ;)
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: thanks :)
<lunra>
Pot is not well suited to trying to work with embedded IME...
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: haven't you gone shopping?
<oliv3r>
mnemoc: when you find milka and chocolate covert peanuts, your close
<mnemoc>
oliv3r: never into the candy section :p
<oliv3r>
lol
<popolon>
FR^2, if you follow all mythology, you will kill by yourself
<oliv3r>
try booting normally without nfs; then when that works include nfs?
<gzamboni>
it get all files from the nfs, but when it tries to boot the kernel i get always Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00001008).
<gzamboni>
k
<gzamboni>
i tried directly because it was already working with script.bin and k 3.4
<oliv3r>
what do you use for bootm?
<pitillo>
hello, does someone know which addresses should be used in mkimage on a eoma68-a20 to build the uImage? (0x40008000)?
<gzamboni>
0x48000000
<gzamboni>
the uImage address
<pitillo>
gzamboni: thank you very much :)
<gzamboni>
oh, no pitillo
<gzamboni>
i was talking with oliv3r
<pitillo>
xD
<pitillo>
oh, my bad. Excuse me :)
<gzamboni>
it seems thats 0x40008000
<gzamboni>
pitillo
<pitillo>
gzamboni: it seems so, but it's giving problems loading an initrd
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<pitillo>
at least this is the one used in cb2 (a20) and what I can find deeping in kernel used to boot the eoma68
<arokux1>
mnemoc: you'll laugh, but yesterday tonight I've found this iteaduino
<mnemoc>
arokux1: :D
<oliv3r>
pitillo: when compiling the kernel, you supply LOADADDR=0x40008000
<pitillo>
oliv3r: I saw some strange typos there... but it finish loading it and seems the problem relays with initrd
<gzamboni>
focus_it im using cubieboard and booting from nfs
<oliv3r>
pitillo: it's crashing on 'script_parser_fetch' which indicates that he's using something like 3.4 or older and hasn't loaded a script.bin to memory
<pitillo>
oliv3r: wow... how do you know that??? impressive
<oliv3r>
he should add fatload mmc 0 0x43000000 script.bin
<pitillo>
oliv3r: amazing... just in the dump start... Thank you ver ymuch. I'll try to tell him about this and see if he can put hands on along the day to boot the toy
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<arokux1>
mnemoc: this is not enough, right? ftp://imall.iteadstudio.com/ARM/IM130808010/DS_IM130808010.pdf
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<mnemoc>
arokux1: on the mail I received they said they will release all the information and documents soon
<mnemoc>
arokux1: and add it to our wiki...
<gzamboni>
do i have to: setenv machid on uboot ? does anyone knows the machid of the A10 ?
<arokux1>
mnemoc: which mail was it?
<mnemoc>
arokux1: one they sent me this morning...
<mnemoc>
arokux1: I didn't know that thing
<arokux1>
mnemoc: sent you? :)
<arokux1>
why not to our ML?
<mnemoc>
yes, me.... as "owner" of the domain where the wiki lives
<mnemoc>
I replied inviting them to join the irc channel and ML
<mnemoc>
let's see
<wingrime>
mnemoc: documents?
<arokux1>
looking forward to the docs. nobody asked them, they decided to step up on their own, so maybe they will publish...
<mnemoc>
"At present, we have completed volume production of this product and it will be put on sale soon. It is also an open-source design. We are now collating the documents for this board and we hope that we can publish more information on sunxi.org and include it in the hardware list that A10 and A20 supports."
<mnemoc>
also thanking us for making their project progress smoothly
<arokux1>
focus: "Moreover, there is a 128*64 OLCD screen to display real-time system information, thus expansion capability and playability of Iteaduino Plus is greatly improved."
<wingrime>
oliv3r: can you poke patrik wood resend full cedarx patchset
<oliv3r>
er, i'm behind 450 emails
<oliv3r>
if i spot the mail, i can ask it
<wingrime>
oliv3r: hi send minimal patchet, but I don't wan't ack it, I wait full sized all-inculded cedar-x patchet for merge/fixes
<focus_it>
i don't imagine i saw the cnx article - if I did its easy to miss, if the A10 on the chip was clearly visible, I probably would not have missed it
<arokux1>
it seems like a such shops are appearing like mushrooms after the rain.
<wingrime>
arokux1: yes, arduino like standard platform
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<Tsvetan>
arduino is just buzz word in this board
<Tsvetan>
there is no way to implement Arduino functionality with A10 only
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<Tsvetan>
probably the only library ported are GPIO digitalRead and digitalWrite
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<wingrime>
Tsvetan: yes, but why not simply add some avr and connect uart/spi-flasher/ to a10?
<Tsvetan>
indeed
<Tsvetan>
its either linux either arduino
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: if not arduino compatible, I better prefer Xilix ZINQ or Altera SoC
<Tsvetan>
its not arduino compatible as it will not run Arduino sketches if there is no additional AVR on it
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<Tsvetan>
or they can prove me wrong if show how to connect 8 servo motors to their ´arduino´ connector and move them together
<Tsvetan>
running Arduino servo sketch
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: you always can download AVR core and emulate AVR in Altera SoC internal FPGA
<Tsvetan>
they can emulate also the ADC?
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: As I remeber they have adc
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: but I can be incorrect
<Tsvetan>
FPGA with ADCs?
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<gzamboni>
whats the difference between dtb and dts? (device tree binary and source) ?
<oliv3r>
yes
<oliv3r>
Tsvetan: im prettu sure the expansion board will have avr. its VERY cheap to add and only requires a uaart link
<oliv3r>
you can then run arduino UI from linux on the A10 and load sketches via uart
<wingrime>
oliv3r: uart and spi-flasher
<wingrime>
oliv3r: RST, MISO MOSI CLK
<oliv3r>
wingrime: if the arduino boatloader is in the AVR preloaded, why bother
<gzamboni>
where are the dtb after i compile the kernel ? i cant find it
<oliv3r>
make dtbs
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: yes, Zynq-7000 have two 12-bit ADC
<gzamboni>
i do a make uImage dtbs
<gzamboni>
more exactly: make uImage dtbs ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-linux-gnueabihf- -j16 uImage modules LOADADDR=0x40008000
<oliv3r>
gzamboni: arch/arm/boot/dtb
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: Dual Core cortex a9 + FPGA + ADC, but not cheap
<Tsvetan>
wingrime I dont want to hear for anything above $35 ;)
<oliv3r>
arduino is Immensily overpriced
<gzamboni>
oliv3r, i have only a dts, let me check if i got errors during the compilation
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: thats hi-end
<oliv3r>
for what it is; however the pricepoint is 'just right' you do get a lot of value (communtiy, support etc) for it in return
<arokux1>
gzamboni: its dts, not dtb
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: PCIe included
<arokux1>
wingrime: where are the prices?
<Tsvetan>
oliv3r from what I hear here in Bulgaria at least 90% of ppl buy Arduino clones $5-10 from China and prefer to wait 4 weeks post delivery instead to buy $30 from the official disti
<rm>
oliv3r, chinese-made Ardiuno is not expensive
<rm>
yes that ^
<oliv3r>
well you can download the schematic, ask seeed to build PCB for you and solder it by hand easily
<oliv3r>
i'd still buy the official arduino (if it didn't have a shitty-ish language/library to program for it) just to support them
<Tsvetan>
what is the value which these chinese bring back to adruino project?
<rm>
> made publicly available so that anyone can study, modify, distribute, make, and sell the design or hardware based on that design
<wingrime>
rm: thats all does not care befor I see gerber files
<Tsvetan>
yes, exept they do not study/modify etc :)
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<Tsvetan>
they just rape OSHW
<rm>
they do not modify your design, they are free to produce a million devices based on it and not obligated to "bring back value"
<rm>
simple as that
<rm>
if you disagree, maybe you're not agreeing with OSHW in the first place
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<rm>
end result is
<wingrime>
rm: without Alegro/Altium/kicad/ project files all that useless to reproduce
<rm>
this being OSHW is beneficial to me as the end user
<rm>
because I can now buy an $8 arduino board with free shipping
<rm>
and not $30 board + $25 shipping
<Tsvetan>
good for you then, just imaginery at one point Massimo and Co sales will go colse to 0 and he will lost interest to develop this further
<Tsvetan>
like this happend to Maple
<rm>
yeah, like this happened to Linus Torvalds, who didn't get royalty from every shipped linux kernel
<rm>
and lost interest and closed down the project
<rm>
OH WAIT that didn't happen!
<Tsvetan>
open source software and open source hardware are quite different
<Tsvetan>
although similar
<mnemoc>
software is zero-cost/effort to copy, hw is not
<Tsvetan>
Linus need just computer to do what he does, Massimo and Co invest money to produce this stuff, deal with distributorship etc
<wingrime>
Tsvetan: why you not used IDC connector for camera in a20-som?
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<Tsvetan>
wingrime because A20-SOM must be small
<wingrime>
base board isn't small
<arokux1>
rm: so what are the stimuli for the original designers to continue their work. clearly there are advantage of the end users, but what about designers of the oshw?
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<oliv3r>
wingrime: the only thing special about arduino, is the ID and its libs. So you need to be compatible with that. being able to use '/dev/ttyS1' and use the IDE as normal is a major +
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<mnemoc>
most people can't (or doesn't want) just build it's own "copy" of oshw, it's usually cheaper/easier/faster to just buy it from the author
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<oliv3r>
rm: i agree with Tsvetan that you are somewhat misguided as to what OSHW means
<arokux1>
I do not think rm is misguided, copying and selling is allowed, so you can do it.
<Tsvetan>
Maple group wanted to make better Arduino and had 32 bit Arduino platform two years before Arduino Due, unfortunately 99% of Arduino users just blink LEDs and do not need better platform, even now I guess Mega and Due sales are less than 5% total
<arokux1>
there is another part - "a feeling you need to give something back" but that is not clearly defined.
<wingrime>
oliv3r: IDE? I usualy use makefile, or there nice AVR Studio
<oliv3r>
wingrime: you windows whore :p
<oliv3r>
wingrime: i do avr work using avr-gcc and avr-dude :p
<Tsvetan>
so their sales were so small that they decided to now put more time to develop further
<wingrime>
oliv3r: no, I not use windows at home
<oliv3r>
wingrime: i was teasing you :)
<oliv3r>
wingrime: what have you done with avr?
<wingrime>
oliv3r: only in Virtual Box for OrCad and altium
<oliv3r>
so you haven't made anything yet?
<oliv3r>
I only toy
<Tsvetan>
same will happend with any project, if you cant pay your bills you move forward, no matter open source or closed source
<oliv3r>
wingrime: lots of interesting stuff then :)
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<wingrime>
oliv3r: not many
<Tsvetan>
mnemoc but what they show as coding ability in the open source projects make them easy to find paid projects
<wingrime>
oliv3r: I tryed make ps/2 keylogger
<wingrime>
oliv3r: but failed do it on attiny2313
<oliv3r>
wingrime: sometimes. there's people who download strip/replace logo's of the gimp for example, then sell it on e-bay. I find that ot be sleasy ;)
<oliv3r>
wingrime: tehre's a few usb keyloggeers; ps/2 should be asily possible to no?
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<mnemoc>
Tsvetan: yes, it's a living CV
<oliv3r>
wingrime: or attiny 2313 strapped on resources? You should even be able to do it with a attiny85 no? 1 pin to snoop data, 1 pin to snoop clock
<wingrime>
oliv3r: mmc connector
<oliv3r>
the freq. is between 10 and 17 kHz
<oliv3r>
ahh, storing data
<oliv3r>
wingrime: how about using USI-> SPI and use some SPI flash?
<wingrime>
oliv3r: I have only 128 bytes of ram
<wingrime>
oliv3r: but mmc sector 512 bytes
<oliv3r>
i think attiny85 while only 8 pins, does have 512 bytes of ram
<oliv3r>
still not enough, but better :)
<wingrime>
oliv3r: thats too small too
<oliv3r>
i would just write raw data to mmc if you can or otherwise use a big SPI EEPROM
<wingrime>
oliv3r: data write need delays for SPI proto, but IRQ that recive keybits kill timings
<oliv3r>
it's smaller then too!
<oliv3r>
yeah
<arokux1>
there is nothing that is sleezy, there are things that are allowed and not allowed and only those two words count out there in the wild. so the licensees should be appropriate and protect original designers somehow.
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<oliv3r>
just because you are allowed to be a douchebag, doesn't make it cool to be a douchebag
<arokux1>
oliv3r: I'm not saying I'm like this, I'm trying to explain how the world is moving around.
<arokux1>
in the end of the day it is the number of the customers that counts
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<oliv3r>
arokux1: you as in general yo, not you you :)
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<oliv3r>
arokux1: du vs sie?
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<arokux1>
so although I am a supporter of the everything open source I do realize there are difficulties for the original author to figure out a waterproof business model
<oliv3r>
in the real world it doesn't matter
<oliv3r>
because nofi chinese copy everything anyway and sell it for cheap
<oliv3r>
wether it is allowed or not, wether it is open or closed
<oliv3r>
if they can copy it and sell it at a (small) profit, they do it
<mnemoc>
it didn't take long to the mars people to clone the cubieboard, even been closed source hardware
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<mripard>
arokux1: also, I don't know about Tsvetan and olimex, but I know a few OSHW that just use their OSHW as marketing, to be able to gain clients for custom designs
<mripard>
and since it's mostly marketing, and not really what pays their bill, they have the luxury to sell the board at a loss
<mnemoc>
in the same way open source software devs can use their public code as CV, and get jobs or consultancy
<mripard>
exactly
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<Tsvetan>
and of course you cant stop other to copy your projects if you keep them closed source
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<Tsvetan>
the boards we shipped as custom designs and derivative work based on OLinuXino for customers are more as number than the Olinuxino boards we sold
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<mripard>
Tsvetan: good to know :)
<Tsvetan>
so Im not very concerned that one could copy and sell OLinuXino at the moment, as people mostly buy it to evaluate and solve problem, then come back and ask for custom board to solve their problem
<gzamboni>
arokux1, now i see the .dtb in the dts dir, thanks, i was pointing out the dts, thats probably why it wasnt booting
<mripard>
gzamboni: yeah, you have to use the dtb :)
<lunra>
I think because they are trying to imply that their design is the original
<gzamboni>
damn, still getting Error: unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00001008).
<Tsvetan>
80 Lumen is pretty low normal projectors are 3500-4000Lm
<focus_it>
a fake real with hdmi is just hdmi with no projector
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<lunra>
oh, but I just realised 'real fake' is kind of an oxymoron
<Tsvetan>
resolution 640x480 this is not far from the real fake :))) unless you want to watch HDMI in this resolution
<lunra>
oh, that reminds me, can an A10 do 1280x800/other arbitrary resolutions on HDMI, or must it be 720/1080?
<focus_it>
lunra: you can buy "90 degree" right angled usb/sata sockets in aliexpress
<mnemoc>
lunra: as long as they are multiples of 4, they can be done. just pass the right kernel command line argument
<arokux1>
gzamboni: what are you booting?
<lunra>
ah, so the FEX-defined resolution can be ignored?
<lunra>
wait...'FEX', was that the extension? :|
<focus_it>
lunra: also I imagine you can buy 90 degree vertical usb/sata connectors in aliexpress
<mnemoc>
lunra: yes
<mnemoc>
lunra: that's only used when no edid or no kernel command line arg is given
<gzamboni>
linux kernel 3.11
<mnemoc>
and*
<lunra>
Ah, excellent.
<lunra>
Thanks mnemoc :)
<mnemoc>
thank those who implemented it ;-)
<lunra>
I mean for the information, but those who implemented it can have thanks also :)
<mnemoc>
=)
<lunra>
(I'd have actually tested it, but I'm waiting for a new panel to arrive, and the TV I was using before oddly won't take anything buy 720p/1080p from HDMI)
<lunra>
*but
<focus_it>
what i'd like is a pico projector embedded into the end of a HDMI connector - easy to tell a fake then - just wave the end of the HDMI cable at a wall,,,, and nothing happenz
<lunra>
On that note about FEX stuff being changeable, can GPIOs be defined at runtime? Or must they be named in FEX?
<gzamboni>
got it, i just changed the address with the ones mripards used: 0x46000000 for uImage and 0x49000000 for the dtb with the env set fdt_high ffffffff workaround
<arokux1>
gzamboni: +1 do you want to do some kernel hacking?
<gzamboni>
if im capable of yes, why not
<arokux1>
gzamboni: cool!
<mnemoc>
lunra: in 3.10+ it's dynamic. olders need a list of ports in the .fex
<gzamboni>
humm, without the workaround it boots as well
<arokux1>
gzamboni: it will if the size of the image is "right"
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<arokux1>
how can Chinese ship at zero cost?!?
<mnemoc>
much larger quantities, bulk transport and.... subsidises
<arokux1>
mnemoc: suppose they ship to Germany with a big ship. how do they pay shipping in Germany?
<Sonicadvance1>
Hides it in with the drugs
<mnemoc>
arokux1: in the same way spam companies do. bulk posting contracts
<n01>
mripard: about the rtc patch I have just a couple of issue. (1) the code is correctly indented but the "+" sign in the patch breaks the indentation. When you apply the patch everything is ok
<mnemoc>
arokux1: while normal fellows get screwed badly
<arokux1>
mnemoc: but even amazon cannot offer free shipping...
<n01>
(2) about the 500ms. I don't know actually why the delay is that huge. but in the aw code is always 500ms
<arokux1>
mnemoc: (or amazon doesn't want to)
<atsampson>
Amazon shipping is drastically inflated over the actual cost -- which is why items can sell for 1p on Amazon...
<mnemoc>
amazon doesn't build their own harbours and distributions warehouses in strategic places world wide
<arokux1>
mnemoc: I mean amazon.de shipping from Germany to Germany
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<mnemoc>
using DHL :p
<mnemoc>
who enjoys screwing people
<arokux1>
mnemoc: you just had a bad luck :)
<mnemoc>
I'm been billed in .es from DHL more than the cost of the goods for their service to passing the customs things that should normally even been ignored by the customs
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<mnemoc>
and that's *delivery* cost. after having paid their absured shipping costs
<mnemoc>
Turl has even worse stories regarding DHL.ar iirc
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<gzamboni>
mnemoc we could start adding CONFIG_I2C_CHARDEV=y and CONFIG_GPIO_SYSFS=y to the defconf of the 3.10
<Tsvetan>
arokux1 yes I know for TRE the AVR on this board is non-sense when Sitara have two 200Mhz real time co-processors which are more capable than AVR, but now they can BUZZ Arduino
<jemk>
wingrime: i think you noticed this error, you had green lines without it
<wingrime>
jemk: yeah, but I thinked that was in h264 reg block
<wingrime>
jemk: not general one
<jemk>
wingrime: you could try to play mpeg on a13, if you have green lines there too we know why it is in general block
<wingrime>
jemk: last time it worked nice (mpeg-sample)
<wingrime>
jemk: also, can you get what MACC_VE_MMCREQ_WNUM do
<wingrime>
jemk: MMC REQuest Write Number?
<jemk>
wingrime: it counts something, but i don't know what.
<wingrime>
jemk: or Memory Controler Request write number?
<wingrime>
jemk: its incrementing?
<wingrime>
jemk: can you try write to SRAM and check it?
<wingrime>
jemk: or try run startcode search
<wingrime>
jemk: also how you figured that historgram?
<jemk>
wingrime: it is roughly proportional to input size, so i guess it counts, but maybe its something different
<wingrime>
jemk: you can comparea histogram (jpeg) with any soft
<jemk>
wingrime: i randomly set bits in ctrl reg to find out what it does and watched the whole register space for changing bits, the rest was loooong thinking till i had an idea what these values could mean
<jemk>
wingrime: it is compared, i verified my idea this way
<wingrime>
jemk: there is anything unknown in genreal block
<wingrime>
jemk: I think you can enable something in general block and than try change CTRL
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<arokux2>
wingrime: not Designware? why?
<wingrime>
arokux2: I checked rk's blobs/kernel code
<arokux2>
wingrime: and?
<wingrime>
arokux2: no anything match
<wingrime>
arokux2: absolutly different
<arokux2>
arokux2: rk uses Designware?
<wingrime>
arokux2: yes
<wingrime>
arokux2: it have DW word's in blob
<jemk>
i think cedar is something allwinner/(earlier allwinner names) specific
<wingrime>
jemk: cedar was in F15 - first chip
<wingrime>
jemk: thats chip have ARMV6 cpu
<jmss>
hi. i'm trying to connect A20-OLinuXino-MICRO-4GB to a DVI/VGA monitor with an HDMI->DVI cable
<wingrime>
jemk: and, it have done without ARM license
<jmss>
either with the official Debian image, or the unofficial Arch Linux one, the display keeps alternating between dark black (like if off) and flickering bright black (like if sleeping)
<wingrime>
jemk: company was 3 years old, and do you think is possible
<jmss>
i've tried changing the script.bin to other resolutions and also kernel boot resolution but it didn't seem to work
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<wingrime>
jemk: also, I now have no idea where AVS jizun coded handled
<wingrime>
jemk: as it not have own engine
<oliv3r>
we are now on cedarX ver. 3 if i'm not mistaken?
<oliv3r>
whatever comes after a80 will have ver. current+1 anyway
<wingrime>
oliv3r: thats more funny
<oliv3r>
also remember, the F15 came from 'boxchip' not allwinner if i'm not mistaken
<wingrime>
oliv3r: boxchip==allwinner==sochip
<wingrime>
oliv3r: F15 also was other OEM name
<wingrime>
oliv3r: some telecast
<oliv3r>
wasn't boxchip the company that was before allwinner got formed?
<wingrime>
oliv3r: it's looks like remullatech
<oliv3r>
remullatech is fake name for allwinner
<oliv3r>
remulla is allwinner backwards/upsidedown
<wingrime>
oliv3r: F15 was produced with 4 other names
<wingrime>
boxchip F15
<wingrime>
sochip F15
<wingrime>
err
<arokux2>
why a zillion of names?!
<wingrime>
sochip sc8600
<wingrime>
arokux2: becose it was unlicensed ARM
<wingrime>
arokux2: also A10 sometimes called boxchip A10
<arokux2>
wingrime: where did they get the cores then?
<oliv3r>
steal
<arokux2>
oliv3r: where? :)
<oliv3r>
well from other chinese :p
<oliv3r>
or from their old design
<arokux2>
it would be interesting to have a look
<oliv3r>
use the 'sample' in mass production
<wingrime>
arokux2: from some othere chinse ))
<arokux2>
wingrime: which has licensed it from ARM?
<arokux2>
hm.. when the law enforcement will come to china..?
<wingrime>
arokux2: when it will be profitable for county
<arokux2>
wingrime: I think western governments should show more aggression in this respect
<wingrime>
arokux2: that silent agree from china goverment, ARM not china complany, so they does not care
<wingrime>
arokux2: USA do same in 19-centry
<Turl>
arokux2: any USBy news? :)
<wingrime>
arokux2: no autorship from outside USA
<wingrime>
*authorship
<arokux2>
Turl: I'm looking for the proper way to handle the common (between EHCI and OHCI) reset bit........ it was handled as clock, but now there is a new, shiny and dumb reset framework...
<wingrime>
arokux2: pll's have undocumented reset bit
<arokux2>
wingrime: why undocumented? ;)
<wingrime>
arokux2: I think
<wingrime>
arokux2: who know, some registers becomes documented when new manual recived, but regs was ...
<arokux2>
wingrime: everything is in source code.
<wingrime>
arokux2: for example a10 have HDMI regs documented only in a20 manual
<arokux2>
wingrime: use src
<wingrime>
arokux2: only bits, without any comment
<wingrime>
arokux2: oh, TV encoder driver thats good example
<wingrime>
arokux2: only magic values
<wingrime>
arokux2: no more
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<arokux2>
wingrime: Chinese handled reset bits as clocks
<arokux2>
wingrime: the bits normally have "reset" in their names.
<wingrime>
ююю
<wingrime>
...
<oliv3r>
western countries won't do such a thing because it offers them cheap hardware ;)
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<arokux2>
oliv3r: governments worry about taxes, not hardware
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<oliv3r>
i have 3 instances of firefox, 1 ont he laptop; 1 at work, 1 at my desktop
<oliv3r>
i use (my own private) sync server
<oliv3r>
i have total about 150 tabs open
<oliv3r>
most are 'todo' tabs :)
* hno
kills tabs every day-
<wingrime>
oliv3r: firefox slow with sunxi
<oliv3r>
i should too hno :)
<oliv3r>
wingrime: i haven't tried it onsunxi
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<oliv3r>
lunra: chromium != chrome (well not on gentoo atleast)
<oliv3r>
chromium is the opensource build
<hno>
neither have I. The closest I have got is compiling it on armhf, even if not sunxi. Never actually ran it.
<oliv3r>
but lets face it, all webbrowsers are big and bloated, and it won't get any lighter soon, 'the web' only becomes more demanding
<hno>
cromium is the opensource "public facing version" of chrome. Last time I looked there is many things not available in Chromium. Not sure I would miss any.
<hno>
compiling firefox and it's dependencies on armhf is... somewhat demanding and gcc gets very close to te process size limitations of 32-bit.
<oliv3r>
i'd crosscompile ;)
<oliv3r>
i haven't read my mail since friday, 500 mails on my lists :S
<oliv3r>
mostly u-boot
<oliv3r>
but i think i got some responds to my get_ram_size patch; so curious about that tomorrow
<libv>
anyone remember the url of the sunxi debian repositories?
* libv
is looking into getting a "hacked" mesa fully packaged for debian
<oliv3r>
oh! but no i don't recall :(
<oliv3r>
and ... bed time toO! so can't look :(
<oliv3r>
nn :)
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<arokux2>
hno: will you take a look at usb patches for u-boot?