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<oliv3r>
mornin'
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<benn>
does u-boot support booting from sata on sun7i platform ?
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<rellla>
morning
<rellla>
i think it'd be a good idea to use willswangs libcedarx in vlc AND xbmc. base at least 2 apps on a commom lib. then we can improve libcedarx and make it partially use RE'ed code for the codecs done. what do you think?
<oliv3r>
benn yes/noo
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<oliv3r>
benn`: the BROM cannot boot from sata on any platform yet
<oliv3r>
benn`: BUT, we are working with olimex to add an SPI-NOR flash rom which can contain u-boot (+kernel) and in that situations, you can have your rootfs on sata
<oliv3r>
the next step will then be to add sata support to u-boot and have u-boot load the kernel from sata, but i'm having trouble in getting the sata driver to work and no time the next to weeks
<oliv3r>
rellla: i think that's not a bad idea, xbmc + vlc are the most common usages of libcedarx NOW. Once the rewrite starts, we can make things better
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<balage>
arokux1, good morning again. I have some good news. Tested my Hackberry A10 on sunxi-3.4 with an externally powered USB hub and it worked!
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<balage>
arokux1, plugged in usb stick and a webcam and both (including the hub itself) got recognized in dmesg and lsusb, stick's led light up
<balage>
arokux1, so it definitely has something to do with powering the usb buses or something like that. do you need the usuall logs?
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<arokux1>
balage: cool!
<arokux1>
balage: no, logs are not needed. have you maybe also tried not to used a powered hub just after that (just to tripplecheck) and it failed?
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<ccube>
oliv3r, wingrime i got an answer of our hardware developer....... we’ve just discovered that in Olimex revision change from C to D they changed the DDR serial resistors from 22 Ohm to 0 Ohm. Of course we used the last version from the GitHub. The consequence is that we also have 0 Ohm serial resistors on the board. At the moment we are working on exchanging the resistors.
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<balage>
arokux1, no unfortunatelly I have not
<balage>
arokux1, do you have any idea where to look for the cause?
<arokux1>
balage: I know what is supposed to turn on the power supply to the USB ports.
<oliv3r>
ccube: maybe talk to olimex? you could have let them make a board for you ;)
<arokux1>
balage: I do not know of any changes in the kernel that broken this. the newest kernel also works for my board, for example and turns on the power correctly.
<ccube>
oliv3r, do they make custom designs?
<arokux1>
ccube: yes, that is even the core of their business model
<arokux1>
ccube: talk to Tsvetan - the guy from Olimex
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<arokux1>
balage: just set usb_used to 0 at line 719, and rebuild your fex by fex2bin. no need to recompile the kernel. but make sure you are using the correct script.bin.
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<Tsvetan>
ccube A20 do not need resistors, A10 does as the board is universal for both A10/A20 we had to put these resistors and they are 0 ohm when assembly A20
<balage>
arokux1, probably I could do it at the weekend. Do you know any next steps? I am asking this, because If I troubleshoot it then I can do more things, this would shorten the time needed for running troubleshooting cycles.
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<arokux1>
balage: I see. I'll write a patch tonight which will output some more debugging information. do you have an e-mail, so that we can also communicate per our mailing list?
<arokux1>
balage: thank you very much for testing this stuff, now that we know it is power issue I hope we will find the reason!
<arokux1>
balage: another thing.. do you happen to have a multimeter to measure voltage?
<benn```>
oliver: get it, thanks
<oliv3r>
ccube: olimex makes whatever you want I suppose ;) talk to them :)
<arokux1>
benn```: are you the same Benn? :)
<oliv3r>
benn```: your welcome ;) hopefully we see more hardware that can do SPI-NOR boot, even if only the SPL and u-boot fit into it (< 512 kB) we could get sata/usb boot easily, the SPI-nor would be a 'bios' of sorts
<arokux1>
oliv3r: and then no need for mmc cards?! yay!
<oliv3r>
ccube: Tsvetan is from olimex, just ask your question ;)
<oliv3r>
arokux1: yeah IF we can make it work, we have zero SPI boot code atm, we need to RE the BROM, but that won't be hard it's not a lot of code imo, and we know how SPI works
<arokux1>
oliv3r: maybe AW will help us.
<balage>
arokux1, yes I can subscribe to the mailings list, should I post a new topic about the issue or...? Unfortunately I don't have a multimeter :(
<oliv3r>
arokux1: no need really
<oliv3r>
arokux1: but it could make things a little easier, we'd need to know which SPI pins are tried to be booted by default for example, the docs are unclear if it's a fixed pinmux (likly) or not
<arokux1>
balage: no, you do not need to post anything. I'd like to send you the patch, once ready. making it public will help the others with the same issue. you could just give me your e-mail (in private) and then i'll post to the mailing list and cc you.
<benn```>
arokux1: yes
<arokux1>
benn```: nice to meet you!
<arokux1>
oliv3r: yes, little help can save us week(s)
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<oliv3r>
arokux1: for spi boot, na, a couple of hours ;)
<arokux1>
oliv3r: ah..
<arokux1>
oliv3r: you hacker haven't brought SATA to life, so I do not believe you :p
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<benn````>
oliv3r: It seem SPI-NOR really useful for mini ARM PC. So that we can boot from SSD
<arokux1>
hm.. how do you normally flash spi-nor? by booting from mmc?
<benn````>
oliv3r: I've add SPI-NOR to A80-Cubieboard spec
<oliv3r>
benn````: yeah I agree, that's why we started exploriing it; but we don't know yet which pins/pinmux spi-nor needs to be connected to
<oliv3r>
benn````: but since you are developing the board, you can ask AW the details ;)
<oliv3r>
A80, powerver *shiver*
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<oliv3r>
arokux1: though the component count is rather small
<oliv3r>
i wonder which IC's are THAT expensive
<lunra>
Still needn't be that much. might have more to do with the niche market, perhaps some chips were expensive in the limited quantities
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<arokux1>
interesting to know.
<lunra>
I once paid $30 for a function generator chip that is known to have serious thermal issues... because I was too lazy to make an actual VCO. But the power usage prevented me from being able to power any other boards >_>
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<oliv3r>
benn`: welcome back ;)
<aep>
arokux1: sounds like ripoff indeed. no datasheets. doesnt even say what the dac _is_
<aep>
also 44.1khz is like standard rate of a $20 usb dac
<oliv3r>
20 for a usb dac? there's cheaper ones, you can get a USB sound card for 3 USD from dx
<aep>
_a_ sound card ;)
<aep>
this one is supposed to be professional grade
<aep>
which would be 48k, but well
<benn`>
oliv3r: thanks, my host pc crash just now when I am using livesuit :<
<oliv3r>
benn`: hehe, livesuit :(
<oliv3r>
benn`: anyhow, if you manage to poke AW on which pins SPI-NOR needs to be connected for the BROM to boot from, that'd be great; then you know which pins you need to connect a SPI-nor too
<oliv3r>
maybe we can even connect one to the cb1 and cb2 for testing
<ccube>
Tsvetan, oliv3r I am just the developer... But I will investigate why we do not develop our board with olimex directly.
<balage>
arokux1, okay, I sent my email in private chat
<benn`>
oliv3r: Many guys from allwinner only use windows livesuit, so I think programming to SPI NOR still an issue for us
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<oliv3r>
benn`: you can add a 1M spi-nor to the board, and don't use it, you can market it as 'Lokal SPI flash for various uses'!
<oliv3r>
benn`: once we get proper support in, we can make writing SPI flash very easy, you can probably do it from linux/android
<oliv3r>
probaly = surely :p
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<oliv3r>
benn`: i bet livesuit can't even program SPI-nor; but that's ok, we can program it from FEL mode and from linux/android in due time; need hardware support first
<oliv3r>
benn`: but we need to know which pins the BROM will boot SPI from. We can reverse engineer and debug the BROM dump, but official word from AW makes that much easier and faster
<benn`>
oliv3r: get it
<wingrime>
benn`: nice to see you there
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<wingrime>
benn`: have you tryed get a10 melis sdk or somthing?
<EGM>
arokux1: Hi. I just quickly tested 3.4.x kernel on Hackberry, and USB is working flawlessly.
<EGM>
arokux1: Looks like the issue will be A20 related.
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<wingrime>
benn`: you are join aw when they only started do linux ?
<wingrime>
benn`: in sun3i times?
<benn`>
wingrime: yes, so I know many detailed about sun3456i :D
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<wingrime>
nice
<benn`>
But I got too many trivial thinks and bad english :D
<benn`>
wingrime: things
<wingrime>
benn`: I not native english too
<wingrime>
benn`: I tryed start hdmi controller in color-bars mode from u-boot... but failed
<wingrime>
benn`: I even tryed copy all register from working system (in hdmi-block and Clocks) but failed again
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<wingrime>
benn`: there is any MUX for hdmi wires ?
<oliv3r>
wingrime: i thought hdmi is fixed pins?
<wingrime>
oliv3r: yes
<wingrime>
oliv3r: maybe
<wingrime>
oliv3r: but I tryed get it
<wingrime>
oliv3r: from uboot
<wingrime>
oliv3r: and looks it need something enabled too
<oliv3r>
ah ok
<wingrime>
oliv3r: also, front-end and backed not clocked
<wingrime>
oliv3r: I wanted test color-bars mode
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<oliv3r>
ah yes
<wingrime>
oliv3r: also, when I changed that bit (for enable test mode ) on working system, color-bars apeared))
<oliv3r>
ok so it should workk
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<wingrime>
oliv3r: I tryed setup by hand whole hdmi reg-block / and pll/clocks/gate but still without result
<oliv3r>
prob something minor missing :(
<wingrime>
oliv3r: or it need disp FE /BE enabled or some MUX
<oliv3r>
wingrime: maybe in boot1 code something?
<wingrime>
oliv3r: boot1 use same disp drivers
<oliv3r>
i ment in the code off
<wingrime>
benn`: have you any idea?
<benn``>
wingrime, oliv3r: boot1 actually is melis OS. the display driver is drv_de.drv, which is a binary blob
<wingrime>
benn``: we have sources for drop
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<wingrime>
benn``: aw publised whole boot with a20-sdk
<wingrime>
benn``: and drv_de.drv are same disp code that from kernel
<oliv3r>
you mean kernel uses same driver as boot1 ;)
<wingrime>
oliv3r: I mean disp folder in kernel are same
<oliv3r>
yeah ;)
<wingrime>
oliv3r: same code with glue
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<wingrime>
benn```: why you change ip so often, thats becose china firewall ?
<oliv3r>
wingrime: i would expect it to be so
<oliv3r>
or livesuit crashing :D
<wingrime>
oliv3r: his ip in Guangzhou
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<focus>
hi - what speed difference between aramel and hf? - the linaro ubuntu hf distro is gone from linaro web site and the only replacement i can locate is an aramel (software float point) version
<focus>
this is the desktop distro
<focus>
(the others such as alip are still available)
<oliv3r>
depends on the usage of floats; the kernel and u-boot prohibit float usage, so it won't matter for those two
<focus>
oliv3r - so its only excel users? the os booting and display functions not affected?
<oliv3r>
excel lol; yeah only GUI users that might be affected
<focus>
I appologize - windoosh has infused me with words i know no meaning of now - i meant libreoffice calc :)
<bfree>
libv: afaik there is no gpg key for packages.linux-sunxi.org (and the empty debian repo there isn't signed). probably best to be thinking of how to have it so a couple of people can sign it from the start for bus-factor!=1 (share a key or put a couple into a package e.g. linux-sunxi-archive-keyring)
<oliv3r>
focus: 'spreadsheet users' would have been more agnostic :)
<oliv3r>
i really have to get a pgp key and invest time in learning the whole pgp thing :)
<oliv3r>
ssh keys are allready over my head :p
<oliv3r>
ironically i do have a signed cacert root certificate :)
<focus>
oliv3r: thanks - i go see if i can liven up an old 12.04 root fs for cubie/eomas - its very disappointing linaro snapshop root fs's keep disappearing like that from their web site without replacements - nothing to gain
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<focus>
oliv3r: i had a little whine on #linaro about disappearing snapshots - so they point at https://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ci/ubuntu-build-service.git as a way of making own - and apparently it takes them only 20 minutes to do it - fabo is going to make one because i said please - never know - in a few weeks might be rolling own distro from source :D
<oliv3r>
;)
<focus>
after learning everything
<focus>
Great!
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<oluwafemi>
Hi! Could anyone recommend an ics img that would work with most China unbranded tablets
<oliv3r>
oluwafemi: not really
<arokux1>
EGM: what?! I have another case where USB isn't working on Hackberry because the power isn't turned on!
<arokux1>
EGM: are you still there?
<oliv3r>
oluwafemi: there's many different factors that will get in your way, there's touchscreens that vary greatly, battery parameters in script.bin, different memory configurations for the bootloader
<EGM>
arokux1: I am here. I am just writing reply to ML.
<EGM>
arokux1: 3.4.43-r1 works just fine
<oliv3r>
atsampson: is that chrstian troy's images?
<atsampson>
(there's a core package, and addons for various tablets... mostly not using the linux-sunxi kernels, etc., as far as I'm aware)
<EGM>
arokux1: 3.4.43-r2 does not work at all, no external device is detected.
* atsampson
nods at oliv3r
<oliv3r>
ah pretty old then ;) but ok :)
<EGM>
arokux1: Only the onboard wifi module works. Which power are you talking about? There's is option to switch off power in USB ports?
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<arokux1>
EGM: just to clarify: so works for Hackberry, where as with 3.4.43-r2 no USB devices will be detected?
<arokux1>
EGM: some GPIOs are poked to enable power supply to the USB ports.
<EGM>
arokux1: Right, it works on Hackberry with r1, and it's completely broken with r2
<arokux1>
focus: why they decided to close done their linaro-rootfses?
<arokux1>
EGM: this is very good input! thanks.
<arokux1>
EGM: in the mean time as a workaround you can use a powered external hub and connect your USB devices to it.
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<oliv3r>
oluwafemi: i run christian troy's image on my tablet, works okayish, not great
<EGM>
arokux1: Oh, good idea. Unfortunately I won't be able to tell if its working then. Because I currently use USB hub as workaround (kernel detects disconnect of device from hub, but not disconnect of hub from board)
<arokux1>
EGM: with Hackberry there shouldn't be any disconnect issues.
<EGM>
arokux1: So you're saying it's A20 problem only<
<EGM>
?
<arokux1>
EGM: yes, looks like this.
<EGM>
arokux1: Ok. Do you need me to test it on Cubieboard with enabled USB debug? I do not have much time, but if it's necessary for any progress, I will look into that...
<focus>
arokux1: 30 day retention policy. if you ask nicely they will remake the latest
<focus>
arokux1: sunxi documentation needs to say that - it be a bit rude to linaro at the moment about disappearing rootfs
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<focus>
arokux1: i change it later when I get a moment
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<focus>
arokux1: done :)
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<oliv3r>
oluwafemi: are you sure you have an Allwinner based device? HBOOT is not something i'm familiar with
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<libv>
bfree: ooh, yes, a keyring archive indeed does seem the way to go
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<mnemoc>
moin
<rellla>
oliv3r: have i asked already if you have ethernet working on ct?
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<mnemoc>
iirc he said the gmii worked on linux but not on u-boot (yet)
<oliv3r>
rellla: only with stock image
<mnemoc>
:(
<oliv3r>
gmac works with stock image only
<hipboi>
can we link a binary blob module into the kernel?
<mnemoc>
hipboi: no
<mnemoc>
GPL violation
<oliv3r>
from how I understood it, rgmii is being used by the PHY, rgmii should be backwards compatible with rmii, but the EMAC doesn't support it I think, it only does MII; but i'm happy to be proven wrong
<arokux1>
focus: " 30 day retention policy" ?
<arokux1>
focus: they do not build from source, they use debian-live and create image from compiled packages provided by Ubuntu.
<rellla>
oliv3r: ok, this day was first ct-boot \o/ - without network still
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<popolon>
focus, your linaro system installation ask for upgrade to ubuntu 13.10, means what i done is mostly useless :)
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<bfree>
mnemoc: hi, I just bit my tongue yesterday when you explained your "nightly" kernel packages agenda ;) the best quick and dirty solution for you is probably simply to just try "make deb-pkg"
<robb83>
anyone tired sdcard sniffer with A31 tablet? ( i probe, but i dont know here worsenes)
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<focus>
poplon: i agree - they were built from snapshots with the intention of scripting them up to rebuild on demand
<focus>
snapshots had best hope of working well
<focus>
from everyone's experience, it does work very well
<popolon>
focus, do you compiled your uboot without nand support ?
<focus>
arokux1: i half understand what you say. need to understand 'debian-live'
<focus>
popolon: i followed instructions at linux-sunxi first steps blindly
<arokux1>
focus: debian-live is a software that helps you to build images (rootfs, iso etc) from ready available packages.
<focus>
arokux1: I see - so i must learn it to make linaro?
<arokux1>
focus: that git repo with scripts uses it, so if you would like to understand what scripts do, you'd need to learn debian-live.
<focus>
arokux1: ok - i best go learn it to stand on own feet
<Tsvetan>
mnemoc many video card drivers in Linux are binary blobs without violation of GPL ;)
<focus>
i don't mind ordering 2 x C20 board and soldering them up and putting some linux on them
<mnemoc>
Tsvetan: uxerspace is fine, kernel space is not
<WarheadsSE>
Tsvetan: :p lol
<mnemoc>
Tsvetan: the blob living in userspace, talking public mmap/ioctl is legal
<Tsvetan>
I do remember when I installed Debian for very first time and it asked me if I want the installation to be only with open source free software, I said yes and it didnt install any video drivers
<WarheadsSE>
Thats like people asking me how to contact me outside IRC. .. uhm, . lmgtfy
<mnemoc>
a blob *linked* to the kernel, is a violation
<Tsvetan>
mnemoc ok
<mnemoc>
Tsvetan: all those "drivers" are like mali's and cedarx. userspace libs
<Tsvetan>
I still mix these kernel/user space thingos
<oliv3r>
Tsvetan: that's because the propriatary blob is well, propriatary :)
<Tsvetan>
so had to re-install as the performance was terrible :))
<Tsvetan>
WarheadsSE you are very well covered at one time I also was trying to scrap your e-mail but it´s not public, neither in GitHub etc
<WarheadsSE>
Ah
<WarheadsSE>
its easy to find :P
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<WarheadsSE>
its even possible to just track down my gravitar.
<oliv3r>
Tsvetan: you could have just installed fglrx or whatever video driver you needed; but it sounds that this was eons ago, then again even the new opensource radeon driverse, which work really well, require propriatry firmware, which debian in 'pure free mode' won't install by default ;)
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<libv>
whether that is useful, remains to be seen...
<mnemoc>
=)
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<rm>
what's with people's fixation on ubuntu...
<libv>
rm: what's with you never letting other people be when they are doing something constructive?
<libv>
rm: but feel free to do all this work for $your_preferred_distribution
<ssvb>
libv: are the patched mesa sources already available somewhere?
<libv>
now, let's see what one of my sunxi machines thinks of this
<libv>
ssvb: there is a .diff.gz there :)
<ssvb>
libv: ok, thanks
<libv>
but yeah, i will be sticking the resulting tree on github soon
<libv>
i will first try to get to the raring version of mesa
<oliv3r>
ubuntu is shit, canaconical is fucking it over; that said, it's the 'defacto' distro atm, it's the most popular and most used. that alone makes it a very good primary platform to support (i have it on my laptop :p)
<oliv3r>
and my gf's desktop!
<libv>
oliv3r: don't feed the troll :)
<oliv3r>
i always fall for that one :(
<rm>
I prefer unmutilated debian
<rm>
and you please enjoy your Crapunity, search spyware, and soon mandatory Mir
<ssvb>
libv: hmm, how can I find this diff.gz file?
<rm>
eat shit with big spoons in both hands, so to say
<oliv3r>
ah but i don't run unity on any of them ;)
<libv>
ssvb: it really is just 5 small patches, on top of some debian/ changes
<libv>
ssvb: but please let me deal with one thing at a time :)
<libv>
ssvb: ah, we should look into debianizing your sunxifb driver as well
<ssvb>
libv: I would be happy to just build mesa right now :)
<libv>
i hope that we do not run into the issues i had back in like 2006, where x package names had diverged between debian and ubuntu, iirc, that was fixed like a year later
<libv>
but in my long bitrotten unichrome driver, it was one debian/ to rule them all
<ssvb>
are you sure the patches are really uploaded there? there is a bunch of .deb files and I'm a bit lost
<libv>
the diff.gz applies to the orig.tar.gz
<libv>
when checked out
<libv>
let me just stick the individual patches for 9.0.3 in my sunxi ~
<libv>
heh, where does that live anyway?
<libv>
ssvb: let me mail you a tarball instead
<libv>
ssvb: but there really is no lima driver included in any of this
<libv>
it's patches to allow running against an external shader compiler, and build system changes to allow for external drivers
<ssvb>
libv: I would prefer a direct url, this would make it easier for packaging (no need to mirror it somewhere)
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<libv>
what are you currently looking to package?
<libv>
because currently i am only compatible with mesa 9.0 (and its point releases)
<ssvb>
the modified mesa, as an alternative to the primary mesa package used in the distro
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<libv>
i intend to end up being compatible with precise and with debian stable versions of mesa, and the latest versions of mesa. but that is a bit of still
<libv>
goal #1 is to get the current version of lima working againt the mesa packages of raring as well
<ssvb>
wingrime: I guess having mesa 9.0.x would be surely more convenient
<libv>
00:20 < libv> i intend to end up being compatible with precise and with debian stable versions of mesa, and the latest versions of mesa. but that is a bit of still
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<wingrime>
ssvb: I prefer stay stable (not mixing branches)
<ssvb>
wingrime: and I prefer being able to have a choice and decide myself what is 'stable' for me :)
<ssvb>
wingrime: btw, does debian provide mplayer with vdpau support out of the box?
<atsampson>
ssvb: Debian stable's mplayer is linked against libvdpau, so I guess so
<wingrime>
ssvb: mplayer -vo help show vdpau
<wingrime>
ssvb: Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
<wingrime>
ssvb: I currently on intel video
<wingrime>
ssvb: fully comes with my demands
<ssvb>
wingrime: ok, that's good to know
<wingrime>
ssvb: unstable can be very stable ) but I afrad lose time to get what is broken agian and how to fix it