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<slapin> looks like disconnecting HDMI makes temperature lower by 10 degrees
<slapin> vagrantc: build farm? that will melt everything around you!
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<MoeIcenowy> I'm wondering what's sun8iw10/11...
<MoeIcenowy> they appears in A64 SDK
<MoeIcenowy> oh sun8iw10 is called B100
<MoeIcenowy> w11 is called A20E
<MoeIcenowy> (maybe A20E is the quad-core version of A20 in the legend?
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<wens> crap... data aborts with u-boot...
<slapin> cool, idle time without HDMI = 55 degrees, looks like giant heatsink is the only way...
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<MoeIcenowy> Why does it seems that H3 is badly more heat than A33...
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<wens> it has more stuff inside
<MoeIcenowy> wens: yes
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<KotCzarny> slapin: still 10C higher than my opi+2e
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<jonkerj> ok, it (latest mali kernel driver) finally compiles
<jonkerj> I needed to make some changes in order to have it compile for recent kernels
<jonkerj> not really sure about the #if defined(CONFIG_ARM64)
<jonkerj> but those dma_ops seem to be something for ARM64 only
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<rellla> jonkerj: do you have the userspace lib that fits to the kernel version r6p2-01rel0?
<jonkerj> not yet
<jonkerj> but, haven't looked at it so far
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<jonkerj> the biggest struggle was to manhandle the mali sources to actually compile
<jonkerj> I assumed the userspace came after compiling and loading the modules
<rellla> jonkerj: without that binary, your efforts will be useless ...
<mripard> there's much more to it
<jonkerj> rella: you're referring to the GLES blob?
<rellla> yes. am i missing any other usecase with the mali kernel driver?
<mripard> jonkerj: for which SoC is this?
<jonkerj> not following you
<jonkerj> H3
<jonkerj> opi+
<mripard> so, yes. There's much more to it.
<KotCzarny> he asked if you are going to use mali in your own app/lib without libgles
<jonkerj> I wanted to see how far I could get in getting GLES and video acc working
<jonkerj> using mainline
<jonkerj> ie, opi+, 4.7, some patches and get kodi up and running with full hw acc (3D and video)
<KotCzarny> mali is not video accel, only 3d accel
<jonkerj> I know
<mripard> you're going to need a DRM KMS driver with dmabuf
<KotCzarny> so you can say 'kodi accel'
<mripard> you can stop using UMP
<jonkerj> yeah, I read in the process that UMP was legacy and dmabuf was the new way to go
<jonkerj> but everyone uses UMP (probably because 3.*), so I took that road
<mripard> "everyone" ? not really.
<slapin> mripard: that is if we can compile our own mali libs, can we?
<mripard> at least not for a couple of years
<mripard> slapin: ?
<jonkerj> mripard: sorry, I meant: "most of the documentents/examples are UMP based"
<slapin> mripard: as I understand mali libs use either UMP or dmabuf/prime to handle buffers, and that choise is compile-time, is it not?
<slapin> *choice
<rellla> haha mripard ;)
<jonkerj> my understanding is that that choice is made during mali.ko compile time
<jonkerj> you either build mali.ko with UMP, or without (and thus opt for dmabuf)
<slapin> jonkerj: mali.ko is jusb buffer juggling mechanism, you need other side to fill buffers, i.e. libGLES
<mripard> rellla: ?
<rellla> mripard begins to push ...
<mripard> jonkerj: something like https://github.com/mripard/sunxi-mali
<mripard> essentially
<mripard> slapin: indeed
<jonkerj> mripard: tnx, that looks very useful
<jonkerj> if I end up getting it working, I will document it on the wiki
<mripard> again
<mripard> before being able to use 3d acceleration
<jonkerj> you mean it's there already?
<mripard> maybe you'll want to have a driver to display something?
<slapin> actually you can build various mali libs, but I don't know if you theoretically can make them work on actual hardware, but I think this is at least not blind approach, as you will know what is going on inside...
<slapin> if you're going to use prime you will need DRM driver for your display to allocate framebuffers on it
<MoeIcenowy> mripard: seems that the mali_drm module source code is still in 2.6 era...
<MoeIcenowy> it uses drm_sman
<slapin> mali_drm is crap
<slapin> you don't need it
<MoeIcenowy> which has already disappeared even in 3.4
<MoeIcenowy> slapin: right?
<slapin> you just need to use prime, like everyone else do
<slapin> MoeIcenowy: drm_sman is easy to fix, but you don't need mali_drm
<MoeIcenowy> I'm finding myself silly
<MoeIcenowy> but... we can still not get the blob
<MoeIcenowy> will anyone want to build a libMali for us?
<slapin> you don't neeed separate memory management driver for mali, just use your primary video driver, look at PVR drivers, you can copy-paste from there
<rellla> MoeIcenowy ... with a working license situation
<MoeIcenowy> rellla: but who will provide it?
<rellla> don't know. not me :p
<slapin> rellla: just ask any arm licensee :)
<jonkerj> I think I'm not yet on your level of understanding, but the blob, isn't that what's downloadable on ARM's website as "UMP User Space Drivers"?
<MoeIcenowy> yes, not you, not mripard, not me, or not anyone
<slapin> for experiments you can do that yourself
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<slapin> then provide instruction on site how to do that for sunxi devices
<MoeIcenowy> we can only beg ARM for the driver
<jonkerj> hmm, I see the problem, UMP is not dmabuf/prime
<slapin> then we can try asking allwinner people to do that :)
<MoeIcenowy> slapin: they care nothing about mainline
<MoeIcenowy> In fact I think we're destroying their confidential things
<slapin> jonkerj: well, you can make emulator libUMP which will use prime inside :)
<slapin> MoeIcenowy: well, I think some people at allwinner are interested, and can do a small thing or two
<jonkerj> ghe, yeah let's not
<MoeIcenowy> we can only pray and beg
<MoeIcenowy> we cannot do powerful things except writing Lima
<MoeIcenowy> but libv is in depression now
<slapin> MoeIcenowy: or make new contacts there :)
<jonkerj> my objective was to try and get kodi 'functional' on a H3 board, but for what I understand from your discussion is that mali/mainline is not going to work, unless sunxi provides a GLES that works with dmabuf/prime
<slapin> MoeIcenowy: is libv drinking?
<jonkerj> so, 3D is not going to happen accellerated
<jonkerj> s/sunxi/allwinner/
<slapin> jonkerj: you can try working this around using unmodified libs
<jonkerj> does UMP not work at all, or is it just frowned upon?
<MoeIcenowy> slapin: he is now pessimistic to lima
<rellla> jonkerj: it's not going to work with mainline until you have a proper display, mali, and cedrus integration. these are the three missing bits.
<jonkerj> I mean, I get it to build
<jonkerj> ah
<slapin> jonkerj: UMP is suboptimal, ugly crap
<MoeIcenowy> and cedrus kernel driver is another disaster...
<slapin> jonkerj: look inside and see
<rellla> MoeIcenowy: why that?
<jonkerj> I wrongly assumed that the display driver (fb) was sort of working
<jonkerj> yeah, I've got headaches already
<MoeIcenowy> rellla: I mean only difficulties in http://linux-sunxi.org/VE_Planning
<slapin> MoeIcenowy: this all is allwinner own fault, don't feel guilty for them, they could provide OK closed libs and proper drivers with minimal effort a long time ago
<MoeIcenowy> slapin: I mean the mainline difficulty
<slapin> jonkerj: I think the best approach now for you and mripard is to make drm-driver work for all sunxi and replace simplefb, and as that finished, play with mali
<MoeIcenowy> we have already sunxi-vdpau
<jonkerj> yeah, I'm afraid so
<rellla> MoeIcenowy: i would not call it disaster. it's just that people don't want to have this mainline driver, expecially the *shitpi vendors don't care about it. it could be there already, if people had respected the reverse engineering work and don't use allwinner code all the time. the information is there, it just has to be coded.
<libv> What?
<libv> drinking and depression?
<jonkerj> I read on the wiki that Jean-Francois Moine has a patch to provide H3/DRM support
<libv> stop talking out of your asses.
<MoeIcenowy> jonkerj: the patch do not include HDMI bits
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<libv> MoeIcenowy: you are doing a stellar job on proving why i should pack up and leave.
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<slapin> jonkerj: or you can make libUMP-prime gateway lib at this time
<MoeIcenowy> libv: oh sorry
<jonkerj> I think you overestimate my capabilites here, slapin :-)
<jonkerj> gathering stuff here and there, fixing some lines of code I can do
<libv> MoeIcenowy: "oh sorry" does not cut it for randomly claiming that someone is depressed and drinking.
<jonkerj> but designing a UMP/prime wrapper, I wouldn't know where to start
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<slapin> jonkerj: well, it is not that hard, just check with code
<jonkerj> maybe, but not anytime soon I'm afraid
<slapin> libv: sorry, really, I'm ashamed of thinking so. how is lima going?
<MoeIcenowy> libv: I'm not saying you're drinking.
<MoeIcenowy> but it may be my fault to say you're in depression
<slapin> libv: I and MoeIcenowy are too cunning to see lima working, so these words were just because we do care, not because we think ill of you
<libv> fyi, i am going to pay more in taxes this year than most peoples gross wages, i will be drinking heavily in 2 weeks time because me and a buddy of mine are going to two festivals back to back (12d in total) but on a yearly average i am drinking less now because i am spending less time in my hometown and am not able to go out with my friends as often, my gfs belly is really becoming very obvious and the r
<libv> ecent echo seems to say that i will have to share my lego technic collection with half my genepool.
<libv> yes, my customer is shit, but at least it makes economical sense to be there
<jonkerj> congrats on gfs belly!
<slapin> libv: congratulations!
<libv> at least it is not a useless bunch of ungrateful selfish wankers who never did anything real themselves.
<jonkerj> (assuming this is according to plan and your work)
<jonkerj> OK, thanks mripard/slapin/MoeIcenowy/rella, I think I get the missing pieces and how they interact
<plaes> libv: congrats!
<jonkerj> sadly, it means that if you want 'easy kodi on orange pi', you're stuck with 3.4
<rellla> jonkerj: yes and no. yes because of stuck, no because of easy :)
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<dearfibonacci> hey. trying to setup a20 olimex micro buildroot setup. need xorg running if needed. but seems like its just goes black and cant shutdown and/or do anything else..tried multiple drivers and stuff like that but still got no luck
<dearfibonacci> and btw 2/10 times can bring up correctly but the rest 8 try it does nothing
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<slapin> jonkerj: you give up too easily :)
<jonkerj> I've got a 6 month old son, time is not a commodity anymore
<jonkerj> :-)
<jonkerj> my objective was to see how far I could get, and document the process while I'm at
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<jonkerj> the conclusion is "not very far without putting a LOT of effort in it"
<libv> yes, we decided to go for it, but we did not take into account the speed of execution, so it will be for this year still, and not for spring.
<libv> plaes: thanks :)
<rellla> jonkerj: your free time will grow the next months :p
<jonkerj> you mean I will hand in my sleep? :-)
<jonkerj> BTW: who is the wiki admin? I cannot edit "my" user page on the wiki
<rellla> it's up to you how much you need from this thing called "sleep"
<KotCzarny> jonkerj: libv, nitehawk and few others
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<rellla> jonkerj: check it again
<KotCzarny> and rellla apparently
<KotCzarny> ;)
<jonkerj> \o/
<jonkerj> tnx!
<libv> jonkerj: this step was added to avoid most of the spam
<jonkerj> is there a guideline on what to put on my user page vs the user talk page?>
<jonkerj> I guessed so
<jonkerj> ie: what's for what?
<KotCzarny> your user page is your user page
<KotCzarny> ie. do anything netiquette allows
<libv> jonkerj: a list of hardware in your possesion is always a good idea
<KotCzarny> ie. no spam, childpr0n etc
<KotCzarny> i use it for a list of bookmarks i use frequently
<jonkerj> I was thinking about putting my personal sunxi-related notes on one of either
<KotCzarny> as long its not spam, do what you want
<NiteHawk> jonkerj: feel free to go ahead then :)
<wens> mine has a list of hardware i own, and some notes that may be outdated
<jonkerj> yeah, but does that belong to _talk?
<jonkerj> I never get the point of user_talk
<KotCzarny> disregard the _talk page of your user page
<jonkerj> user, I get
<KotCzarny> unless its for the OTHER users to talk on your user page
<jonkerj> sorry for all the questions, bit information hungry today
<MoeIcenowy> oh I should also list my devices I own
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<MoeIcenowy> mripard: I noticed the LCD2VGA bridge driver you pushed
<MoeIcenowy> does CHIP have a EDID I2C Route?
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<slapin> mripard: can you share some news regarding CSI driver?
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<mripard> MoeIcenowy: yes
<mripard> slapin: I'm working on it
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<KotCzarny> good news
<KotCzarny> :)
<jelle> oh latest nanopi is a samsung soc
<MoeIcenowy> yes
<MoeIcenowy> it may be more interesting that nanopi series with samsung has also an axp...
<MoeIcenowy> seems to be axp228
<jonkerj> I have read that that soc is even more un-mainliny than sunxi
<jonkerj> it's a samsung oem'd soc, not proper exynos
<jelle> ohhh good to hear that
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<MoeIcenowy> A64 is also un-mainliny.
<KotCzarny> no word on gpu/vpu
<jelle> KotCzarny: that is weird
<jelle> KotCzarny: gpu seems to be something samsungish
<KotCzarny> but they support android and hdmi, so it has to be something graphical
<jelle> according to the datasheet
<jonkerj> ah, the well known high performance 3d graphic accelerator
<jelle> :-)
<jonkerj> I have one of those in my laptop
<huawei> but 1GB memory....
<MoeIcenowy> huawei: yes
<MoeIcenowy> 1GB memory with Quad-Core is weird
<TheLinuxBug> I was looking at the FreidnlyArm products the other day
<KotCzarny> from comments on cnx site: Based on @robert link which has nice comparison tables, it’s a Mali-400(MP?) GPU.
<jonkerj> I must say it's an interesting set of features/claimed performance for that money
<jelle> we even have 512MB with a quadcore..
<jelle> orange pi's
<TheLinuxBug> the most disappointing part is all that CPU and no USB 3.0
<jonkerj> I think I've read mali as well
<MoeIcenowy> jelle: the most crazy ones are H3 with 256MB.
<jonkerj> but cannot find the ref
<MoeIcenowy> by FriendlyARM
* jonkerj was glancing over that board yesterday
<huawei> TheLinuxBug, you need the odroid
<MoeIcenowy> NanoPi Neo is H3-driven
<MoeIcenowy> and it has a 256MB RAM version
<TheLinuxBug> at the price point, especially after you add all the things you need and then find you want, the XU4 becomes a better choice I think
<TheLinuxBug> tkaiser was telling me to stay away from their H3 board
<MoeIcenowy> Quad-Core with 512MB is a disaster
<MoeIcenowy> I'm building VirtualBoyAdvance-M on my tablet (A33 with 512MB RAM) with swap
<TheLinuxBug> he says it overheats
<huawei> TheLinuxBug, XU4 is the cheapest development board with USB3
<TheLinuxBug> pretty much
<TheLinuxBug> there are a few others
<libv> TheLinuxBug: olimex was working on a h3 board that wouldn't overheat
<TheLinuxBug> but either more expensive
<TheLinuxBug> or less support
<jonkerj> I thought the quad 512mb was only a disaster if it was a banana one
<libv> at least tsvetan told me so in february
<MoeIcenowy> libv: how can that be?
<jonkerj> the xunlong (ie, opi+) would be better
<MoeIcenowy> will it run at low freqency?
<jonkerj> at least thermally
<KotCzarny> libv: how can it not overheat when its about the soc? unless they apply lots of heatsinks
<libv> the olimex people don't dump whatever shit they just built out in the street, and they fix their designs and are actually quite clueful
<MoeIcenowy> jonkerj: to be honest, with BSP kernel I have only 300MB RAM left on my tablet, and the value became 500MB with mainline
<MoeIcenowy> (maybe because mainline have no mali/cedar driver
<TheLinuxBug> the reason its reduced to 300 is because you reserved memory for the video driver, yes
<jonkerj> it's not very much indeed
<TheLinuxBug> you can change the amount
<TheLinuxBug> in the fex
<jonkerj> the opi+ has 1GB, which cut it for me
<jonkerj> still not insanely much, but enough for home utility measurement / musicpd
<huawei> H3 support is weak
<TheLinuxBug> The other thing about all the friendlyArm products is while they have that nice 8 core cpu, no product they offer has more than 1Gb memory, another erason the XU4 wins out
<jonkerj> how is mainline support for xu4?
<MoeIcenowy> they may think more than 640KB memory is not useful :-)\
<huawei> jonkerj, work fine as headless
<jonkerj> blablaBLOB if you want (fast) graphics?
<huawei> jonkerj, sure
<jonkerj> oh it is even on their site
<jonkerj> "So it is useful only for the headless applications probably.
<jonkerj> The OMV(Open Media Vault) OS will run on the latest mainline Kernel."
<TheLinuxBug> actually had looked at http://www.inforcecomputing.com/products/single-board-computers-sbc/qualcomm-snapdragon-600-inforce-6410plus-sbc for SATA support but again, no USB 3.0 and price is up there
<TheLinuxBug> and looks to be 12v as well
<huawei> jonkerj, actually it still need two out-of-tree patchs to work with HMP and ethernet
<jonkerj> there needs to be a nice filterable index of SBC's :-)
<KotCzarny> jonkerj, i think there is one on wikipedia
<jonkerj> ghe, was just looking at that exact site
<MoeIcenowy> don't speak rpi3
<KotCzarny> but its split into multiple tables
<MoeIcenowy> rpi3 has only the name of rpi
<MoeIcenowy> it's a weird board
<huawei> up-board use a atom cpu which mean you can install a amd64 system(
<MoeIcenowy> huawei: is it really meaningful?
<MoeIcenowy> these kinds of SoCs are usually weird on x86 Linux
<TheLinuxBug> if your going x86, https://www.amazon.com/MinnowBoard-Turbot-Dual-Core-Board/dp/B01A04QAW2 looks to be cheapest option I see for small board x86
<KotCzarny> TheLinuxBug: unless it uses 1-2W of power, its not interesting
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<KotCzarny> not to mention the price o.o
<TheLinuxBug> well it still it the smallest full featured x86 I could find
<TheLinuxBug> what I wansted it for was more SATA
<KotCzarny> clearfog
<TheLinuxBug> was considering between it and inforce board at one point
<KotCzarny> ;)
<TheLinuxBug> clearfog?
<KotCzarny> not x86, but powerful
<TheLinuxBug> um
<TheLinuxBug> should be for $170
<TheLinuxBug> more expensive than the inforce
<jonkerj> that's marvell, right?
<TheLinuxBug> but
<huawei> TheLinuxBug, may be you need up board?
<TheLinuxBug> usb 3.0 is a nice add
<KotCzarny> but you have minipcie ports to connect just anything you want
<TheLinuxBug> but OS support is kinda eh
<TheLinuxBug> and im not sure
<TheLinuxBug> but does it show the $170 version with only 256mb ram?
<TheLinuxBug> and 1gb is optional
<TheLinuxBug> depends on the SoM it looks like
<TheLinuxBug> so could be more expensive than $170 easy
<TheLinuxBug> huawei: you have a link?
<KotCzarny> depends on soc, a388 is 1gb
<huawei> TheLinuxBug, here http://www.up-board.org/ 2GB memory and 32G eMMC sold $109
<MoeIcenowy> 170 DOLLARS?!
<MoeIcenowy> oh it's x86
<TheLinuxBug> huawei: no SATA is kinda a deal breaker on x86 boards for me, since as KotCzarny mentioned you can find USB 3.0 on lower powered ARM boards. The thing that made minnoboard attractive to me was SATA mostly.
<TheLinuxBug> also if you just want a board with those speds
<TheLinuxBug> specs
<TheLinuxBug> you can order a $90 tablet from china with the quadcore 1.8ghz and 2GB ram and 32gb emmc on those atom Z8350
<TheLinuxBug> you lack the gigabit port and not sure if usb 3.0 is exposed or not off top of head, but assuming it is you could add usb dongles for ethernet if you need and hard drive
<TheLinuxBug> and you get a free battery
<TheLinuxBug> ;p
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<huawei> TheLinuxBug, you are right, but those tablets usually haven't USB3...
<TheLinuxBug> well they have it but its in use for something else like the wifi/bt
<TheLinuxBug> and just not exposed
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<MoeIcenowy> TheLinuxBug: my experience on the tablets are usually a disaster
<MoeIcenowy> they usually come with an AXP288 PMIC defined in a special ACPI section, which is not support by mainline kernel
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<TheLinuxBug> right well was just commenting on the fact you can get them much cheaper I assume there is disadvantages and a reason they are cheaper, AXP288 makes sense..
<TheLinuxBug> MoeIcenowy: are those tablets worth the money at all, as in do they actually work anygood for their purpose?
<KotCzarny> TheLinuxBug: you can get 18650 as cheap as 3-5usd ;)
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<MoeIcenowy> in fact, for the axp288 I wrote an ugly userspace driver
<TheLinuxBug> MoeIcenowy: had considered using one of those tabs to run win10 and ispy to watch 2 wifi cameras 24/7 and do motion detection
<MoeIcenowy> win10...
<MoeIcenowy> it's a good usage
<TheLinuxBug> MoeIcenowy: you think it could actually handle that
<KotCzarny> TheLinuxBug: looking at clearfog price, its 170usd for the board with a388
<KotCzarny> 240 is with the enclosure (which is quite nice)
<KotCzarny> but not worth that much imo
<KotCzarny> s/240/220/
<TheLinuxBug> nah as I said
<TheLinuxBug> would go after the inforce board first probably
<KotCzarny> and armbian already made the image for it
<huawei> but $220 is too expensive that i want to buy a intel nuc = =
<KotCzarny> 170
<KotCzarny> 220 is with the enclosure
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<vpeter> clearfog also have 6 ethernet ports - enough to drive my stuff at home :)
<TheLinuxBug> don't get me wrong clearfog is nice
<TheLinuxBug> just very expensive
<TheLinuxBug> would be a good home router though
<TheLinuxBug> with all those ports
<KotCzarny> and the best part, enough bandwidth to saturate them ;)
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<TheLinuxBug> but again, expensive
<KotCzarny> TheLinuxBug: router + nas
<huawei> but 1GB memory...
<vpeter> MemTotal: 1030616 kB, MemFree: 899432 kB << seems enough for me :D
<TheLinuxBug> well to be clear you would have to have an adapter to connect regular sata drivers
<TheLinuxBug> drives*
<KotCzarny> there is m2 port underneath
<TheLinuxBug> and memory is a bit low for that use case imo
<KotCzarny> and there are minipcie--sata cards available
<TheLinuxBug> yeah would have to buy an adapter if you want to hook regular sata
<TheLinuxBug> so makes pricetag go up a bit
<KotCzarny> not that much
<vpeter> pcie can act as sata too - I have 2.5" drive connected there.
<KotCzarny> and you can reuse it in laptop repair too etc
<vpeter> adapter is few € - pasive one.
<KotCzarny> and it would be probably fast
<TheLinuxBug> actually the coolest part of that blearfog board
<TheLinuxBug> is the ability to use those click modules
<KotCzarny> as fast pcie cam be
<KotCzarny> can
<TheLinuxBug> looks kinda cool
<huawei> it's worth if it can replace my WNDR4300, odroid xu4 and cubietruck
<vpeter> TheLinuxBug: I wish they would not be so expensive.
<TheLinuxBug> yeah well all marvell stuff usually is
<TheLinuxBug> thats actually probably cheap for marvell
<slapin> mripard: I'm just curious on one thing - I made driver for A13, which is minimal possible configuration, and made it just for single image sensor with all formats hardcoded, and was able to get picture only once after reset, do you have this problem?
<KotCzarny> TheLinuxBug: if one could try to do the same with allwinner it would be costly too, and much slower
<huawei> however, i do mind its 1GB memory size
<TheLinuxBug> they have a lot of dev boards but most of them are super expensive and are less than impressive spec wise other than for their designed use case, al least clearfog seem to provide their reliabl Sata controller and network fabric in a semi-affordable board
<slapin> mripard: I used configuration routines from Allwinner-provided driver
<TheLinuxBug> I mean if I had 170$ to burn I would get one, unfortunately I will likely not have that type of budget anytime soon
<slapin> mripard: not really used, but I used that code as documentation to write my own shortcut init sequence
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<slapin> KotCzarny: now I can really touch H3 CPU - 480MHz max, idle for several hours, 53 degrees, hdmi off
<slapin> KotCzarny: can I reduce clock rate farther for CPU? Can I make it idle at 120MHz?
<KotCzarny> slapin: if you want to control temperature its almost completely related to voltage
<KotCzarny> and lowest voltage is reached ~500mhz or something
<KotCzarny> and no point to lower it further
<slapin> KotCzarny: but frequency is important too...
<KotCzarny> nope
<KotCzarny> only voltage
<huawei> H3 need a heatsink with fan
<huawei> = =
<KotCzarny> just experiment with the fex
<KotCzarny> setting same voltage for 1200 and some lower freq
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<libv> as for s5p6818 it is made by nexell (for samsung) and their gpu libraries are mali, r4p0-00rel0
<TheLinuxBug> KotCzarny: do you know if all the ports on that clearfog are 1gbit or 100mbit?
<KotCzarny> TheLinuxBug: i would bet on gbit
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<libv> and it is probably a mali-400
<libv> m400 even
<KotCzarny> doesnt say much about what's there
<huawei> TheLinuxBug, 1Gbit
<slapin> KotCzarny: I wonder why no much drop when I switch off 2 cores and run at 1200MHz, but as I go to 480 MHz it eventually cools down if hdmi is off and nothing runs
<slapin> KotCzarny: but A20 at 960MHz is cool, about 45 dgrees...
<KotCzarny> http://wiki.solid-run.com/lib/exe/fetch.php?media=a38x:microsom:docs:sr-data_sheet-armada-microsom-a388.pdf
<KotCzarny> says 3x gbit in a388
<slapin> KotCzarny: why so big difference? they both A7
<mripard> slapin: not really, but I'm barely getting an image at the moment
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<mripard> but I haven't noticed such a behaviour
<KotCzarny> slapin: maybe hdmi wakes cpu somehow? some software redrawing? (just guessing)
<huawei> slapin, dual and quad?
<slapin> mripard: do you have some experimental code you could share? I'm really-really curious!
<slapin> huawei: A20 is dual A7, H3 is quad A7, I disable 2 cores and run on the same frequency, and H3 is still HOT (89 degrees) and A20 is quite cool (40-45)
<vpeter> TheLinuxBug: I think one port is for switch, one is directly connected and one for SFP.
<KotCzarny> Long longevity of 10
<KotCzarny> years
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<KotCzarny> lol, i wonder what is longevity of sunxi boards
<huawei> slapin, i think it's design flaw
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<huawei> slapin, odroid xu4 is octa core. when it's idle, the temperature still cooler than H3 (60+ degrees)
<KotCzarny> huawei: my opipc idles ~40C
<TheLinuxBug> lol
<jelle> huawei: doenst the xu4 have a) fan b) heatsink++
<KotCzarny> (and its without heatsink/fan)
<slapin> huawei: big.LITTLE? I mean odroid
<TheLinuxBug> havign an arguement with someone who tells me there is no place for ARM at all and he rather pay for an expensive x86 board which uses 500W than have a ARM board that does the same in 1W
<TheLinuxBug> lol
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<KotCzarny> TheLinuxBug: sure, and some people have motorized grass cutters (4 wheel and stuff)
<KotCzarny> and some drive hummers
<KotCzarny> etc
<huawei> slapin, yes
<slapin> TheLinuxBug: 1W times are passed for ARM onless you use one of low-end ARMv5 SoCs, not it is more like 25-30W, and x86 had made huge progeress and got closer to 55-60W
<KotCzarny> slapin: my bpi-m1 audio box used ~1.2W
<slapin> huawei: big.LITTLE is not real octacore, they don't run at the same time
<KotCzarny> *uses
<huawei> jelle, strangely, that processor is design for smartphone without heatsink...
<slapin> huawei: it is more like quad-core, whwre you can switch CA15 by CA7 instantly
<mripard> slapin: not yet
<huawei> slapin, eh... it's HPM, octa-core can run at the same time
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<slapin> huawei: usually CA15 require fan for operation on longer times, and in case of big.LITTLE they run off CA7 most of time and just do performance bursts on CA15, otherwise they can't handle heat.
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<slapin> huawei: I seen no CA15-only board which could live with passive cooling in real life
<slapin> huawei: neither can H3 it seems, as I can't put it to enclosure like this
<slapin> huawei: is is still much better than x86, but they are HOOOOT really
<KotCzarny> slapin: add a small fan and put into enclosure, might be even better than running flat
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<slapin> KotCzarny: I will neeed massive cooler, as it is not only HOT, it is unpredictable with heating, as I was running at 960MHz at 70 degrees compiling stuff whole day, and another moment got 96 degrees
<slapin> KotCzarny: so I need some good thick alum box and outshide heatsinks
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<KotCzarny> still, if you have 10 minutes, box and a fan..
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<slapin> KotCzarny: and I need copper attachment cube from CPU to alluminium like in some rockchip media players (with steel splitter of course)
<huawei> slapin, coolermaster -_-|||
<KotCzarny> o.O
<slapin> KotCzarny: I tried to put it in cardboard box for some lulz when idling a hour ago, it got from 65 to 98 degrees quickly (10 minutes), (no hdmi)
<KotCzarny> add fan this time?
<slapin> KotCzarny: not tried metal box yet
<slapin> KotCzarny: I don't think any fan can handle such energy, more clever solution is needed
<KotCzarny> just to make air flowing through the box
<KotCzarny> and maybe a bit of pipe to move that air a bit further
<slapin> KotCzarny: it reminds me of some intel i7 mobile demo kit (I don't remember the name), it had a small cube steel box (10x10x10cm) and had 10cm fan on each side, and had HUGE heatsink on CPU inside (was still so hot it throttled constantly)
<slapin> KotCzarny: I got somewhat good results with laptop cooling pad (fans are dead on this one, I attached orangepi using 4 screws to the plate and added masking tape for insulation
<slapin> KotCzarny: this way I got 5 degrees less immediately
<KotCzarny> :)
<maz> slapin: checkout the Tegra-k1 as integrated in the Acer chromebook. no fan, as far as I can tell, and still a quad A15 (+ a 5th for good measure).
<aalm> srsly, just let it melt so you can move on.
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<slapin> KotCzarny: for soem reason I think that better board desing might drastically improve situation with H3, like adding on-board heatsink below and around CPU to pass heat to other side of board...
<slapin> maz: I have tegra3 jetson nearby, it does have fan on CPU, also K1 board I passed by had fan too
<slapin> maz: and their 5th core is quite small one and is intended for management needs
<huawei> slapin, development board is too small to install a big enough passive heatsink
<slapin> huawei: they could add fat copper on layers, or just plain old heatsink for whole board
<maz> slapin: the 5th core is not for "management", it is how they implement big-little. dna the chromebook really doesn't have a fan.
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<vagrantc> apritzel: any exciting new developments for pine64 u-boot and/or kernel in the last 2-3 weeks? haven't had access for a while and probably forgot everything i know
<apritzel> vagrantc: MoeIcenowy has some success with USB
<vagrantc> ah, that's good news
<vagrantc> the kernel i had built ages ago has "working" ethernet, but the transfer speed is abysmal
<apritzel> I haven't tested performance at all
<apritzel> montjoie has some numbers on the sun8i-emac wiki page
<apritzel> around 500MBit/s, IIRC
<vagrantc> ah, there must have been updates since my last kernel build, then
<vagrantc> i was getting maybe 1KBit/s on a gigabit or 100MBit network
<apritzel> this (a64-v5) is with montjoie 2nd version of the driver, which should improve performance thanks to the NAPI implementation
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<apritzel> I was installing Debian over the network, the speed seemed good enough for me
<vagrantc> hmmm... think that's what i used
<vagrantc> maybe it's my mixed gigabit/100MBit network ... seen that cause some unusual issues before
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<TheLinuxBug> hehe
<TheLinuxBug> oops wrong window ;p
<MoeIcenowy> apritzel: if you can enable necessary regualators for wifi
<MoeIcenowy> I may be able to enable wifi
<MoeIcenowy> (also the speed must be poor
<MoeIcenowy> and have you read my reg dumps?
<MoeIcenowy> I found some register different, but I have now no time to try them out
<apritzel> MoeIcenowy: well, I quickly diffed it, but didn't have time to put register and bits names to it
<MoeIcenowy> I have also only diffed it...
<vagrantc> i remember shortly before i went traveling successfully testing u-boot for the pine64 so enabled in the u-boot package
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<vagrantc> hrm.
<vagrantc> no luck with recent u-boot build.
<vagrantc> on pine64 ... there are enough steps that could go wrong, no idea what's wrong.
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<apritzel> vagrantc: yeah, there seems to be some issues with the latest U-Boot
<apritzel> it's a bit weird, since it works _sometimes_ for me
<apritzel> I tried to bisect (even twice), but to no avail
<apritzel> so I suspect it's not U-Boot (or not U-Boot alone)
<apritzel> anyway I have better results with 2016.07-rc1
* vagrantc wonders if it's toolchain related
<vagrantc> yeah, tried 2016.07 and 2016.07-rc1
<aalm> hmmph
<vagrantc> er, oops
<vagrantc> 2016.07-rc3
<vagrantc> haven't tried rc1
* vagrantc was hoping to upload 2016.07 to debian and... well, actually test it with pine64 this time :)
<vagrantc> i think i enabled it in the packaging because i got it to work sometime between 2016.05 and 2016.07-rc1
<vagrantc> apritzel: what toolchain versions do you usually use to build?
<aalm> i was unable to get u-boot running via fel on pine64 last week while i synced ufs fs support i had rotting for some old sunxi u-boot
<aalm> so did the testing on old cubies instead :( was too lazy to step back for older u-boot
<apritzel> vagrantc: self built gcc 5.3.0 & binutils 2.26
<apritzel> aalm: actually I was using FEL all of the time and never saw issues
<apritzel> vagrantc: just to be sure: what is the problem you see? U-Boot being stuck very early? last message from ATF?
* vagrantc checks some logs
<aalm> could be my issue was that i wasn't aware of updated readme etc., for me it was the 'last message from ATF' case i think. will try again once i get time for a64 again :)
<vagrantc> NOTICE: PMIC: setup successful
<vagrantc> INFO: BL3-1: Initializing runtime services
<vagrantc> INFO: BL3-1: Preparing for EL3 exit to normal world
<vagrantc> INFO: BL3-1: Next image address: 0x4a000000, SPSR: 0x3c9
<vagrantc> on a successful boot with u-boot 2016.05 it doesn't have those last three INFO entries
<vagrantc> apritzel: i also recall that boot0 from all images didn't work ... but i tried extracting boot0 from both 20160504 and 20160601 with no real difference
<apritzel> vagrantc: well, you should always have those messages, unless you have a different ATF build
<aalm> INFO: BL3-1: Next image address: 0x4a000000, SPSR: 0x3c9
<aalm> was the last i got
<apritzel> I deliberately chose a debug build for ATF (both in the image and in the README) to spot issues
<apritzel> aalm: yeah, that's also the issue I see
<vagrantc> apritzel: i don't recall where the firmware i've got that successfully boots came from ...
<apritzel> aalm: can you do me a favour and reboot some times?
<apritzel> it works for me about one out of ten times
* vagrantc ought to get once of those fancy FEL cables :)
<apritzel> (with certain builds)
<vagrantc> i think this ATF build was done natively on arm64 with gcc 4.9 and company
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<apritzel> vagrantc: yeah, FEL is very useful
<apritzel> I think you wouldn't see the INFO lines when building without DEBUG=1
<vagrantc> just about any USB A to USB A cable should work?
<apritzel> vagrantc: I guess so
<apritzel> there aren't really many possibilities in wiring two A plugs together ;-)
<aalm> i made one out of USB A-B cable, just broke the B end and added some tape to opposite side of contacts and it works :D
<apritzel> though I remember reports of at least one cable not working
<aalm> or is it B? female anyway
<apritzel> aalm: yeah, that's the spirit, a hacked cable for hacking a board
<vagrantc> put the hacksaw back in hacking
<aalm> heh
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<lennyraposo> hey apritzel
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<apritzel> aalm: vagrantc: so FEL boot works like a charm with 2016.07 U-Boot
<apritzel> (that is the 2016.07 for the "real" U-Boot)
<lennyraposo> almost got the Mali isssue resolved and the drm stuff
<lennyraposo> from for the Pine
<lennyraposo> just fyi
<lennyraposo> ;)
<apritzel> lennyraposo: but this is heavily BSP kernel based, right?
<lennyraposo> yes
<lennyraposo> unfortunately
<apritzel> according to the discussion this afternoon it's quite a way to go still
<apritzel> the only incentive I have for 3D is to give a Pine64 to my son so that he can play Minetest on it ;-)
<lennyraposo> same here
<apritzel> (and doesn't hog my box here)
<lennyraposo> for my kids
<lennyraposo> I also want to get a few of these for the local school
<apritzel> but I can wait for this, there are many many other things to do meanwhile
<lennyraposo> just dealing with things one at a time
<lennyraposo> step by step bit by bit :S
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<kimberly_> hi
<TheLinuxBug> hmmm
<TheLinuxBug> atre the H8s worth while
<TheLinuxBug> I mean 8x2ghz
<TheLinuxBug> do they actually have any decent support?
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<aalm> idk, but only 1GB dram :(
<TheLinuxBug> ya
<TheLinuxBug> but I was wondering if the CPU performance and GPU in them is worth the trade off
<TheLinuxBug> I see they also make a 'set top box' out of it
<kimberly_> Has anyone tried to detect falling edge from banana pi?
<kimberly_> I'm using bcm2835 library for banana pi from lemaker
<kimberly_> and the falling edge detection is super slow
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