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<miasma>
the wiki says "It should be noted that unlike some of the more expensive Orange Pi models the 'PC' does not use an internal USB hub therefore the 4 available USB ports don't have to share bandwidth"
<miasma>
so what kind of bus there is between the usb hub and the SoC
<miasma>
or is there any hub at all?
<miasma>
each usb port directly connected to SoC maybe?
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<miasma>
oh damn, i missed the orange pi sales. is it still the cheapest from gearbest?
<miasma>
16.59 + 0.37 shipping for me. => $16.96. from aliexpress $18.69
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<willmore>
miasma, maybe lvrp16 has a deal. Where about in the world are you?
<miasma>
fi/europe
<miasma>
seems to be 14,83 from taobao
<willmore>
miasma, ahh, then I'd stick with the Chinese suppliers.
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<miasma>
of course the price is pretty affordable from any store
<willmore>
:)
<miasma>
is it somehow possible to donate money to the sunxi project for the great work with drivers? free moneys. or is it just easier to buy the devs some new hardware
<miasma>
i've advertised allwinner boards a bit and many friends bought them. i suppose that mainly helps sinovoip/xunlong/allwinner
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<miasma>
my own goal is to publish some builds scripts for building your own embedded stuff. e.g. for home automation / music jukebox with readonly media. sunxi boards seem to provide the best price point for building such systems
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<MoeIcenowy>
jmcneill: ping
<MoeIcenowy>
I think the USB PHY0 support for H3 is not even ready on Linux
<MoeIcenowy>
mripard, apritzel: I want to implement it in the FreeBSD-like way, but it will break the backward compatibility of DTs...
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<MoeIcenowy>
(I mean, phy0 is the phy of USB OTG, and phy1 is the phy of USB OTG in host-only HCI mode, and phy2 is the ordinary USB host port
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<MoeIcenowy>
mripard: and, when will A64 clock-ng get merged?
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<KotCzarny>
oh, nice. full refund landed
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<MoeIcenowy>
jmcneill: I have both USB ports running on Pine64 on Linux 4.7!
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<rellla>
Raku: posting the same three times does not make it to be answered earlier... i suppose too few (no) people are interested in or use livesuit here in this channel. so check our wiki for alternatives.
<KotCzarny>
..or write to the vendor for help?
<rellla>
sure :p
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<mripard>
MoeIcenowy: then don't break it :)
<mripard>
why do you want to change it ?
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<Mark____>
Hello, I sent a mail on the group but it seems that it is a moderated list. Could an admin accept my question? Thanks a lot!
<rellla>
Mark____: imho it's not moderated.
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<jemk>
tkaiser: That was my fault now, missed some early return...
<jemk>
tkaiser: I tried to answer in forum, but I can't find how to attach a fixed version (12Kb), is this somehow blocked for new users?
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<tkaiser>
jemk: Thanks for providing a whole new image. And I've not that much knowledge about forum interna (IgorPec might be able to answer) but we have a lot of spammers over there and I believe Igor restricted new posts/posters just recently (necessary IMO)
<IgorPec>
yes, it's disabled because of spam
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<IgorPec>
next post it should work fine
<tkaiser>
MoeIcenowy: Nice! Any chance that you merge your pine64-usb-v3 in a branch with MMC soon? :)
<as0d70apf>
gonna need some work i guess, i'm going to run headless anyway so serial is fine but i need emmc and ethernet at least :)
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<as0d70apf>
oh nice btw, didnt even know that pine64 existed, also a nice board
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<tkaiser>
jelle: OPi Plus 2 is not a good buy, less IO bandwidth compared to Plus 2E (some USB ports behind USB hub) and the USB to SATA bridge is the slowest in the world.
<jelle>
tkaiser: I didn't buy it, that was as0d70apf
<tkaiser>
jelle: Just realized it :\
<jelle>
tkaiser: np :)
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<tkaiser>
as0d70apf: At least both eMMC and GbE are pretty fast on the Plus 2 as well
<as0d70apf>
really looking forward to it, it will replace a aging sheevaplug
<as0d70apf>
(before the internal flash really dies)
<jonkerj>
don't expect too much from the usb-sata bridge
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<tkaiser>
GL830 is horrible crap, 15/30 MB write/read (compared to ~40MB/s in both directions with UASP capable bridges). And 'of course' not UASP capable. And wastes one USB host port. Avoid if possible.
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<jmcneill>
GL830 also mis-reports drive size
<jonkerj>
luckily, I don't need sata on my allwinner boards, so I just ignore it
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<tkaiser>
as0d70apf: In Armbian forum this week two persons reported 'gone' eMMC on their Orange Pi boards. Still no idea what's going on since both gave up pretty early ('hey, don't waste time with this, use an SD card an continue')
<as0d70apf>
mh, i'm not going to mess with sd cards if i have onboard stroage
<tkaiser>
Hmm... eMMC is soldered SD card with better performance, isn't it?
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<MoeIcenowy>
they're more complex than SDs
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<tkaiser>
MoeIcenomy: Sure, but basically it's NAND with an own FTL (controller) you can treat like a SD card. And it can fail like an SD card.
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<tkaiser>
But of course I would use the eMMC as long as possible. Performance of the 16GB eMMC used by Xunlong on Plus 2 and 2E is pretty good
<as0d70apf>
but since the orange pi comes from china i'll have to wait a little bit :)
<tkaiser>
When did you order? My last order shipped within 8 days to Germany.
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<as0d70apf>
oh nice, this weekend, also ordered a rc2014 that i hope to get this week but that's not really relevant to this channel
<as0d70apf>
8 days, my fastest aliexpress order to the netherlands was around that, i guess it is possible
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<tkaiser>
The other time it was ~2 weeks, they really ship fast.
<as0d70apf>
cool, really looking forward to it
<tkaiser>
Did you order a heatsink as well? With mainline kernel there currently is no throttling out of the box
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<as0d70apf>
i couldnt find matching ones but i have a few laying around here
<KotCzarny>
werent there ths patches already?
<as0d70apf>
yeah i saw them
<jonkerj>
megi has patches which work on his boards
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Sure and those for SY8106 work pretty well (those for the smaller H3 boards not). But you need to add patches and DT nodes to get it working
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<KotCzarny>
he is going to hack the mainline, so he should be able to do it himself
<tkaiser>
Sure, I could do it also myself. But too lazy, currently I use montjoie's branch without ths and enjoy fastest GbE ever on H3 :)
<KotCzarny>
hehe
<KotCzarny>
what are the temps?
<tkaiser>
And on the largest Xunlong boards s small heatsink should be enough. Not true for NanoPis or BPi M2+
<KotCzarny>
because thermal specifics differ (bigger/small board, more/less copper, heatsinks or not, etc)
<wens>
mripard: i assumes it's because the a64, and also h3, have a dedicated usb host for otg, so we need to renumber the usb_phy indices if they aren't correct?
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Nope, it's about dvfs at the moment
<wens>
MoeIcenowy: ^
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<wens>
miasma: buying hardware is probably easier
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: i think about the whole setup
<jonkerj>
KotCzarny: yeah, but I would assume that any of the operating points would not be undervolted
<MoeIcenowy>
wens: In my driver submitted to LKML, I used a special flag
<jonkerj>
board specific thermals should not be of influence there
<KotCzarny>
hrm, 80C at 1ghz isnt THAT bad, those were with heatsinks, right?
<tkaiser>
jonkerj: Thanks. We had another report regarding undervolting in the meantime. Increasing voltages by 40mV helped there. Will investigate this further
<MoeIcenowy>
which makes phy0 a not-special phy if a property is set in dt
<MoeIcenowy>
cc mripard and apritzel
<jonkerj>
tkaiser: could be that I bumped the voltage more than necesarry
<KotCzarny>
ahm, no heatsink, even better
<jonkerj>
happy to test different settings, ping me if you want to try something out
<mripard>
wens: yes, but the older SoCs also had a dedicated EHCI and OHCI
<apritzel>
MoeIcenowy: I was wondering if that's necessary
<mripard>
didn't they?
<MoeIcenowy>
mripard: older SoCs seems to have no EHCI/OHCI pair for PHY0
<apritzel>
MoeIcenowy: can't you just describe this special configuration by the lack of the ID pin?
<MoeIcenowy>
apritzel: it's not necessary, but very useful
<apritzel>
MoeIcenowy: that's not an argument for DT changes
<MoeIcenowy>
apritzel: I may want still to use the usb port in dual role mode if ID is lack
<MoeIcenowy>
Hans de Goede wrote a series of patches of "fake" ID pin
<MoeIcenowy>
which is a sysfs attrib
<apritzel>
MoeIcenowy: sure, so the idea is: if you have an ID pin (uUSB receptable), you specify it via pinctrl-0 in the usbphy DT node
<apritzel>
MoeIcenowy: and if you don't, you don't ;-)
<apritzel>
that gives you your bit that you wanted to have, right?
<mripard>
apritzel: not really, you set it through a gpio property
<mripard>
that's way easier to parse
<KotCzarny>
hmm, someone changed [[Cedar Engine]] to [[CedarX]] on R8 page, isnt it wrong to point to allwinner proprietary stack?
<jonkerj>
it's the one I found on the board when I bought it
<tkaiser>
jonkerj: But these dvfs operating points are useless since they're meant for the Android kernel killing CPU cores instead of implementing sane throttling
<as0d70apf>
tkaiser: thanks, i think i have a few that should fit, just not the glue for it but maybe thermal paste will hold it if i dont put the case on its side
<jonkerj>
I use them with thermal cooling, seems to work
<jonkerj>
when I run cpuburn, the max freq of cpufreq is reduced by ths
<jonkerj>
and when the CPU is cool again, freq increases
<tkaiser>
jonkerj: Yeah, I was confused and referred to ths / cooler_table and not dvfs :\ (too much in parallel right now)
<jonkerj>
:-)
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<wens>
mripard: afaik, no they didn't
<wens>
mripard: the older SoCs used musb's host mode, which everyone agrees sucks
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<wens>
mripard: i guess allwinner realized that, and stuck an ehci/ohci pair behind a mux with musb
<apritzel>
has anyone ever tried the PS/2 interface on the A20?
<wens>
presumably the driver author has?
<apritzel>
the Wiki is quite pessimistic on this one, but if I got this correctly, the pins _are_ exposed as UART7 on the BPi-R1, for instance
<tkaiser>
apritzel: ... by accident: When is cpufreq scaling ready? ;)
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<apritzel>
tkaiser: as soon as all the other, more high-priority issues are solved ;-)
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<apritzel>
SCPI offers this, so it shouldn't be too hard to implement in ATF
<tkaiser>
apritzel: Ok, waiting ;)
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<nove>
KotCzarny: proprietary blobs is not the problem, but are *with* "license issues"
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<nove>
that has to be changed back, as "cedarx" is software and not hardware, as can be seen in all datasheets or in the allwinner website, the word "cedarx" is nowhere
<KotCzarny>
nove: that's why i asked the question
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<KotCzarny>
tkaiser had one nice idea for measuring setup, he used sunxi board as a power source, which allowed to compare different loads easily and reliably
<miasma>
i have few usb dongles that measure current/energy, but they're a bit useless since there's no clock. you don't know how long it has been running
<miasma>
sure but e.g. that tindie product is better by few orders of magnitude
<KotCzarny>
does it allow easy logging of the data?
<miasma>
yes
<miasma>
1.8-5.5V, 0-2.5A (high range)/0-82mA (low range) sensing at up to 2.5µA/LSB resolution, 0.75% +/-4mA basic accuracy, 0.05% +/- 28µA after calibration (1-day at 23C), 125kS/s sampling rate
<KotCzarny>
nice
<KotCzarny>
the 'setup differences' argument still holds, for funsies try measuring different distros on the same board
<KotCzarny>
in idle/under load
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<miasma>
it's probably mostly related to kernel configuration?
<KotCzarny>
yup
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<miasma>
the sunxi wiki mentions only xunlong orange pi pc 1.2. the new boards i got are version 1.3
<miasma>
i only noticed that the ddr memory is different. i bit smaller chips, not samsung anymore
<miasma>
* a bit
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<KotCzarny>
miasma: thats actually wiki worthy
<KotCzarny>
run ssvb's limamemtester if you can
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<KotCzarny>
(requires hdmi connected for proper feedback)
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<jelle>
miasma: I wonder what power the orange pi one draws though
<KotCzarny>
hmm, more fins or thicker fins or longer fins? which design works better for heatsink?
<miasma>
jelle: i have two board here without sd cards. the opi pc 1.2 draws 5.01V 0.103A 0.519W, pc 1.3 version 5.01V 0.098A 0.492W
<miasma>
*boards
<jelle>
miasma: nice
<miasma>
but it's a lot more when the uboot/kernel launches
<jelle>
sure
<jelle>
time to build a board to monitor my arm board :D
<KotCzarny>
miasma: run limamemtester on both and compare?
<miasma>
does it work with mainline 4.8 kernel?
<KotCzarny>
i guess there is no hdmi on mainline for h3 yet
<KotCzarny>
so while it could run, you might not notice errors
<KotCzarny>
but its runnable via fel and standalone, so you shouldnt care that much
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<miasma>
jelle: ok i have the board running now with default uboot settings 2016.09 and kernel 4.8-rc7. opi pc uses around 5.01V 0.165A 0.832W when idle. it runs arch linux with systemd
<miasma>
my plant watering system uses arduino nano + esp8266. there's plenty of gpios and adcs
<KotCzarny>
you might even get away with solar power
<miasma>
i tried that with a smallish panel, but it doesn't generate much power here. wrong location on the globe for that
<KotCzarny>
solarpanel + akku backup?
<miasma>
my alarm clock has a 6W panel, esp8266, li-ion battery and 20x4 LCD screen. the screen backlight is tuned at around 50%. the panel generates enough power now for 10-12 hours of backlight at 50%
<miasma>
the esp8266 is sleeping 99% of the time
<miasma>
updates the screen, goes to sleep for one minute :)
<miasma>
it's ok during the summer time, but during the winter there might only be 1-3 hours of light outside
<KotCzarny>
wind power? some heat charger?
<miasma>
i'm planning to buy bigger panels when I get a new apartment :)
<KotCzarny>
i know! girlfriend power.
<KotCzarny>
make her workout and charge battery at the same time ;)
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<miasma>
apparently one of the opi pcs i just bought is dead on arrival. the ethernet leds work, but it won't boot. the other board boots nicely and the green led is lit. oh well, doesn't seem like the build quality is that good overall
<KotCzarny>
check if it responds to usb/fel mode?
<miasma>
yes
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<miasma>
KotCzarny: yes that works. but it shows 'MMC: SUNXI SD/MMC: 0'. apparently it can't see the sd card ?
<KotCzarny>
check different card?
<miasma>
i also got 'Card did not respond to voltage select!' now
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<miasma>
doesn't matter. i can probably make it boot via usb and then use usb mass storage as root
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<KotCzarny>
try different card
<KotCzarny>
might work
<miasma>
nope, tried with 4 cards. didn't work
<KotCzarny>
maybe its as trivial as bad slot solder
<miasma>
i had a similar issue with the old opi pc, that's why I ordered 2 more
<KotCzarny>
did you buy from xunlong's store on aliexpress or some reseller?
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<miasma>
didn't check. it was the cheapest opi pc board there
<miasma>
yes, xunlong
<KotCzarny>
write to them, get some refund maybe?
<miasma>
let's see if they'll refund
<KotCzarny>
you must be extremely unlucky to get 2 broken boards. i got 3 and all of them work
<miasma>
i broke one of them myself
<miasma>
pushed the card in and the two solder points near the board border got loose
<KotCzarny>
o.o
<Raku>
Whenever I try to flash my tablet(CT802) with livesuit I get the error 'GetFelPrivateData Failed id = 0' or it segfaults, I can't find anything on google, any ideas?
<Raku>
Sorry, I didn't see that one in my highlight buffer
<Raku>
I don't know if I can can try something else... really only that tool for linux
<Raku>
I've kinda given up on the tab at this point though
<apritzel>
Livesuit isn't overly popular here, you know ;-)
<apritzel>
Raku: are you on Linux?
<Raku>
Well it was on the wiki, so :P
<Raku>
Ya
<Raku>
Arch
<vagrantc>
apritzel: i've been trying to shoehorn your a64-v5 and icenowy's usb patches together quite unsuccessfully ... any idea if there are any merged trees floating around out there?
<apritzel>
vagrantc: is there something that you miss from Icenowy's branch?
<vagrantc>
apritzel: hmmm.. i guess i didn't think of it that way
<vagrantc>
i guess the patches are based on some old linux-next branch from july, which made it hard to cherry-pick to apply on a stable kernel version
<apritzel>
I think these days Icenowys surpassed me in terms of features ;-) (unless she dropped the Ethernet, I didn't check)
<vagrantc>
i saw some recent mainline submissions, but still nothing in linux-next
<apritzel>
sorry, I am too busy with U-Boot these days, and since others do quite a good jobs with mainlining ...
<apritzel>
yeah, I was hoping for mripard to merge something for 4.9 ...
<vagrantc>
i vaguely recall you getting SPL support working properly?
<apritzel>
yeah, but now the U-Boot proper hangs on the Pine64
<apritzel>
but also with boot0 and 2016.09, which is weird
<apritzel>
works on the BananaPi-M64, though
<vagrantc>
i'm fairly certain i got it working with 2016.09 and the old non-SPL method
<apritzel>
Oh, OK, I was wondering about that already
<vagrantc>
2016.09~rc* wasn't working ... but my last attempt worked ... i think
* vagrantc
considers diggout out the board to check
<apritzel>
yeah, I got some fixes in just before the release
<apritzel>
but apparently I tested this only on the BPi
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<apritzel>
maybe I should switch back from gcc 6.2.0 to 5.3.0
<vagrantc>
hm, apparently was 2016.09-rc2
<apritzel>
Aargh! I shouldn't combine u-boot._img_ with boot0
<apritzel>
was so spoilt with my SPL experiments
* apritzel
really needs a terminal server, I should sacrifice the BPi-M1 for that ...
<apritzel>
alright, boot0 works with 2016.09 on both BPi-M64 and Pine64
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<apritzel>
and now suddenly the minimal fully-FOSS SPL(32) works as well, both via FEL and via SD card, on both Pine64 and BPi-M64
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<apritzel>
with TFTP-ing the kernel in a blink of an eye, nice
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* vagrantc
cheers!
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<apritzel>
only caveat of this minimal version is that via SD card ATF cannot be loaded (only one image, either U-Boot or ATF)
<apritzel>
and my FIT SPL patches need some serious cleanup
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