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<Strontium>
oliv3r: tinydrm should be able to display output from acceleration (2d/3d/whatever) because its a normal drm device. However SPI lcd's are pretty slow so you wouldn't want to be redrawing very often.
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<Stulluk>
Hi
<Stulluk>
I have a custom a64 based board, which has a usb-ethernet controller, r8152 on it. When I add usb-ethernet to config, compilation fails because u-boot.itb exceeds size limit. I tried to add config_board_size to my config, but still fails. What do I should do to add usb-ethernet functionality to my uboot ?
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<silviop>
If i would buy a modern allwinner based tablet considering future sunxi support is better onda V80 or onda V18 ?
<silviop>
There are other allwinner tablet to select ?
<KotCzarny>
a64 based one maybe?
<silviop>
V80 is A64 based
<silviop>
V18 A63
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<KotCzarny>
ahm, ok
<silviop>
for now there is not dts neither out of kernel mainline for onda V80
<silviop>
V18 is too new
<BenG83>
the problem with A63 is there is barely any hardware, or even boards
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<BenG83>
and without HDMI and GbE, there probably won't be any ...
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<BenG83>
so you would really have to dismantle a tablet to use as devboard
<silviop>
i have cubieboard (A10) and A13 tablet they are quite interchangeable i feel is the same with H6 and A63
<focus>
How can i can a get a 5.5" 720x1024 OLED display mobile phone size with capacitive sensor from a regular supplier?
<focus>
(I know TFT cartel had supply restrictions and paid hundreds of millions in fines - are we talking about an OLED cartel now?
<focus>
:(
<focus>
Can they be forced to sell OLEDs on the open market with advertised prices?
<focus>
The age of IoT demands displays on all products - so we don't need cartels no more.
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<montjoie>
raaaaah after hours of soldering my allwinner lab, I just found that the veroboard has an hidden layer non documented which connect all lines (and all my USB + and -)...
<BenG83>
montjoie ouch
<montjoie>
one hour to undersstand why my atx doesnt startup
<BenG83>
what kind of veroboard is that?
<montjoie>
finally its a good one
<montjoie>
BenG83: a random veroboard from alliexxpress
<Strontium>
focus: so they learned their lesson, and made EVERY OLED of a decent size a "custom" product and you have to buy 1,000,000 MOQ or they aren't interested in selling any.
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<focus>
Strontium: you could argue that business model is a cartel and close it down and force everyone to sell on the open market standard sizes
<Strontium>
focus: you could try, but you can't force them to make standard products. they will argue the non recurring engineering costs are too expensive and they don't want to take the commercial risk.
<focus>
Hmm.. if they already made a product which is a 5.5" display, the argument that the next 5.5" display is a custom display becomes feeble
<Strontium>
focus: personally im off the oled train, they are terrible. Burn (and all the other issues) suck, its like going back to cathode ray tubes.
<Strontium>
i will not be buying and huge size oled tv's, thats for sure.
<Strontium>
my phone is barely tollerable after 2 years. all i see now are the persistance issues.
<Strontium>
otherwise the phone is great, and i can live with the screen, but i don't think its a great technology. not with those issues.
<focus>
I was keen to add a display to R40 design - the spot price being $13 for 720x1024 the last i heard. Add a capacitive cover - total cost about $17
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<Strontium>
focus: but back to your point, they will argue, we made that 5.5" display for "elcheapo phones china" on special order, and they paid for the NRE costs, so it's not our product, it's theirs. we just manufacture it for them.
<focus>
Yeah exactly
<focus>
I found that out the hard way
<focus>
The 5.5" is the diagonal, the two sides vary by mm to make it non exact :(
<focus>
It is terrible and exact cartel behavior
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<Strontium>
focus: yup. its always like this. for example "secret register documentation" seriously, what are they protecting? So knowing the registers will give your competitor an edge? don't think so.
<Strontium>
its just cartel behaviour to freeze people out of the game.
<focus>
Nothing that a big fine can't rectify :)
<focus>
I don't know what they are protecting
<KotCzarny>
old as world, if you dont know what is all about, it's about money
<Strontium>
focus, they are protecting their big customers. If the little guys can't leverage the chips as good as the big guys, the big guys have a competitve advantage.
<focus>
selling more OLEDs for their share holders should be the top priority - so shareholders likely sue them for not realizing the full potential
<Strontium>
thats why allwinner do it.
<focus>
$20 million if i had I would buy and sell stock size of OLED
<focus>
IoT is big market
<Strontium>
nah, their top priority is perks for the board members and big sallaries for executives. second priority is share price, regardless of how.
<focus>
beeellioons
<focus>
$100m to set up factory
<focus>
become old if try to raise that to set up a factory
<Strontium>
focus: oleds are heavily heavily patented. the patents of lcd's (i suspect) are mostly all run out, so any old chinese company can now make small ones (hence the price drop)
<Strontium>
you want to end cartels, end patents. But i have a bigger problem with copy right law.
<focus>
government action to rectify cartel is the best option - hopefully China will lead - they stand to gain the greatest
<Strontium>
copyright is far easier to get, and never ever goes away.
<Strontium>
for all practical purposes, at least patents expire after 20 years.
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<Strontium>
no body has ever been able to explain how the patent for the cure to all cancer (which will have 20 years protection) is less valuable than a "sexy retelling of robin hood" which will have 75 years past the date of the death of the author. Thats seriously skewed.
<focus>
I think patents and copyright would disappear 2035 because tech is rapidly evolving and by 2035 what you invent in house someone will have already done in next house
<focus>
they won't have copied it - they just 3d printed the machines, or bought the raw materials and machines to make their own for $10 :)
<focus>
Technological singuarly is coming! :)
<Strontium>
don't count on it. They will find a way to enforce it.
<Strontium>
patents and copyright have a place, but copyright shouldn't last longer than a patent. its not justifiable. Except that big big money doesn't want you to have access to old books and old music however you please, because it might impair the sale of new stuff.
<focus>
They can't patent free speech and animals, so use that example to stop monetizing one field at a time like toys and then all plant materials, and then hand tools etc.
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<focus>
by 2035, nothing can be patented
<basxto>
I think patents expire faster because they are more valuable
<Strontium>
never going to happen.
<Strontium>
basxto: but they are also much harder to get, and should, if they are truly inventive and not a typical microsoft patent, be very difficult to develop.
<focus>
The idea of patent originally was to make companies reveal secrets because education was poor, and communications were poor, but today, education is good and communications good, so there should be no patents because someone can work out how a product works and copy in no time
<Strontium>
im not arguing they should have a longer patent life, just that there is no justifiable rationale why copyright should last longer.
<Strontium>
focus: no, the idea was to stop people looking at your idea you spent 10 years developing and saying, oh hey, thats easy to do, why didn't i think of that and just copying it.
<Strontium>
so that inovation had a chance of some return.
<Strontium>
that said, its demonstratable that the patent on the steam engine delayed the industrial revolution for about 20 years, and accordingly, all the knock on effect of that.
<focus>
Originally before patent everything was a trade secret and process and products were lost when companies went bust or owners died. Governments decided to grant patents for 20 years to divulge secrets. That be original plan. Today its morphed into something else
<Strontium>
the industrial revolution didn't kick off in a big way until that patent expired because the guy who invented it was a dick and wouldn't license it on reasonable terms to anyone.
<Strontium>
focus, its always been about return on investment.
<Strontium>
if you could get a product you could learn what it was and copy it. especially for machines.
<Strontium>
drugs, not so easy. but most things can be pulled down, analysed and recreated.
<focus>
today that is a problem - but increasingly that is not the problem - the problem is parallel invention
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<Strontium>
yes, which is why you have to run to the patent office and get your patent in before the guy next door does.
<Strontium>
he who applies first wins.
<focus>
There is so much tech out there, with a 3D printer you could parallel invent a new kind of vacuum cleaner
<focus>
or a drone or an IoT device
<basxto>
the company, I work at, does not use patents
<focus>
does not mean you stole any of it
<Strontium>
anyway its late here. i think we all agree copyright law and patants suck, and companies should just document their g-damn register sets and stop being such primadonnas about it.
<focus>
down with the sucky systems! :)
<focus>
2035 rocks!
<focus>
Thans Strontium - off to the shops now
<focus>
Thanks
<Strontium>
focus, you don't have to steal it to run afoul of a patent. saying, but i thought of it inependently isn't a defense.
<focus>
i know - it got me once when i invented an diamond manufacturing device :(
<focus>
graphite is black - so shine a laser on a cold surface and let graphite condense on it - it will evaporate anything that is black leaving behind diamond
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<focus>
carbon gas i meant
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<BroderTuck>
Patched 4.16.rc2 with hdmi patches from a83t_hdmi_v5 and h3_hdmi_v1 branches from jernej but I'm only getting this
<BroderTuck>
[ 4.013115] sun8i-mixer 1100000.mixer: Couldn't get our reset line
<BenG83>
did you update your dts?
<BroderTuck>
Well, I did, but it seems I must have missed something somewhere. sunxi-h3.h5.dtsi says 'framebuffer-hdmi {status="disabled"} and the board dts doesn't say "okay"
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<jernej>
BroderTuck: Did you enable DE2 clocks (CONFIG_SUN8I_DE2_CCU=y)?
<jernej>
framebuffer-hdmi node gets enabled by U-Boot
<jernej>
and it is not for DRM driver but for simplefb, so nothing to worry about
<BroderTuck>
jernej: not set, so Ill need to do that
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<jernej>
BroderTuck: be aware that there is one anoying bug with H3 HDMI driver, when it crashes with some monitors if monitor is connected during boot
<jernej>
workaround is to connect monitor after boot
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<jernej>
I'm investigating the issue
<BroderTuck>
jernej: We'll see if I run into that issue now that I've enabled that config setting. Compiling natively, so it takes a little while to see the results
<jernej>
BroderTuck: be sure to set CMA memory to at least 64 MB
<BroderTuck>
where do I do that?
<jernej>
Kernel config
<jernej>
CONFIG_CMA_SIZE_MBYTES=64
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<BroderTuck>
jernej: Success! I have console on my samsung tv!
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<jernej>
BroderTuck: Good to hear. What is your TV native resolution?
<jernej>
I guess there is no crash at boot?
<BroderTuck>
1920x1080@60 and no, it dowsn't crash
<hanni76>
hi everyone! can someone explain why opp is not working on a31s and a64 ?
<hanni76>
is this a well know issue ?
<hanni76>
*known
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<hanni76>
I have added opp nodes into dts but it only works with all opp children disabled except 1
<hanni76>
otherwise both devices are oopsing
<hanni76>
at the same time very similar structure for h3 (opipc) works fine
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<BroderTuck>
Next step will probably be trying to get X running, but that will require a bit more research before I try that (I will atleast have to increase the CMA size like you suggested, I guess)
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<Cryterion>
X shouldn't be a problem getting up and running, I did it about 2 years ago on the Rpi, without much hassle
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<Cryterion>
Best way I'd suggest is, start with a console only version of linux, i.e. server so you don't have to fight an existing gui
<BroderTuck>
Cryterion: I'm using the slackwarearm minirootfs :)
<Cryterion>
don't know that one, working with armbian atm, but you should just easily install the X-server, check the x11 website for specific details
<Cryterion>
think it's x11.org, but will find it in a moment
<BroderTuck>
It's Slackware, you can't just go apt-get install X11 :)
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