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<MoeIcenowy> btw seems that we have no way to test memory stability in 64-bit sunxi era
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<wens> MoeIcenowy: makes sense
<MoeIcenowy> wens: for what?
<MoeIcenowy> pine h64?
<wens> yeah
<wens> just got to the Bay Area, reading the log
<wens> Chinese Romanization... hate it :(
<wens> my name is romanized with the Wades-Giles system, i.e. the "latin" system
<KotCzarny> 24 letters should be enough for everybody! (paraphrasing)
<wens> hence "ch" is not "ch" in English
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<wens> MoeIcenowy: at least China has one standard romanization system in use?
<plaes> does anyone know whether it's possible to use hdmi's DDC pins to overwrite I2C eeprom on sun7i?
<MoeIcenowy> wens: I think it's ISOed
<KotCzarny> i2c is i2c
<wens> MoeIcenowy: we have two... and different cities/counties choose one or the other
<wens> I believe one of them is similar if not the same as China's
<MoeIcenowy> I think the Wades-Giles one is usually chosen for historical reason?
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<wens> MoeIcenowy: yeah, and for anyone who got a passport before the 2000s
<MoeIcenowy> but by the way the thing romanization has two kind
<MoeIcenowy> one is to precisely represent the voice of a language in roman alphabet
<KotCzarny> roman or english
<KotCzarny> because thats different
<MoeIcenowy> the other is for foreigners to easier to read it
<KotCzarny> because english have some funny pronounciation
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: latin alphabet, sometime variant letters are used
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: for the first principle, it doesn't need to care other languages' pronounciation
<KotCzarny> and for example in roman u is read as english 'oo', while in english it's 'you'
<KotCzarny> etc
<MoeIcenowy> for example, the japanese kana し is romanized into either si or shi
<MoeIcenowy> the well-known word "sushi" used "shi" for it
<KotCzarny> then it's english
<KotCzarny> not roman
<KotCzarny> :)
<MoeIcenowy> "shi" one is for English people to easier pronounce it
<MoeIcenowy> but "si" one in fact is more regular
<MoeIcenowy> if look at the kana table of Japanese
<wens> well, the proper Japanese pronunciation for that kana is between si and shi
<MoeIcenowy> in fact it's near the "X" of "Xunlong" ;-)
<KotCzarny> siunlong?
<wens> MoeIcenowy: not quite
<wens> MoeIcenowy: doesn't Xunlong stand for Raptor or something? or is the translation in China different for raptor
<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: I think Chinese will be able to recognize if you pronounce in this way
<wens> as in velociraptor
<MoeIcenowy> I don think they're thinking about raptor
<wens> oh wow, even that name was a mistake :(
<wens> MoeIcenowy: well the other Xunlong I can think of is from Monster Hunter :p
<MoeIcenowy> The u in Xunlong is in fact ü, with the two points hidden after J/Q/X
<MoeIcenowy> its IPA is /y/
<MoeIcenowy> if you can speak German, you can pronounce it like German ü
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<wens> my name has the same vowel
<MoeIcenowy> yes ;-)
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<KotCzarny> well, my name is probably unpronunciable in english ;)
<KotCzarny> it's 3 letter in cyrillic and 6 letters in roman alphabet
<KotCzarny> and has only one vowel
<plaes> ah yes.. famous polish names :D
<MoeIcenowy> oh seems that building chromium on some sunxi board is a extremely crazy ide
<MoeIcenowy> idea
<KotCzarny> MoeIcenowy: yup, not enough memory
<MoeIcenowy> the 3GiB DRAM is totally not enough for building C++ sources concurrently
<KotCzarny> also known as swap killer
<MoeIcenowy> I manually lowered the concurrent job number to 3
<MoeIcenowy> otherwise it will eat more swap than the DRAM size itself
<KotCzarny> turning off debug symbols help
<MoeIcenowy> (I'm still not in linking stage
<KotCzarny> debug symbols are added during build too
<MoeIcenowy> but I think when building C++ sources, unrolling of templates are the real memory killer
<suprothunderbolt> I still can't get DSI to work, the panel is detected, attaches, setup completes and then VBLANK interrupt is enabled, but vblank wait times out
<MoeIcenowy> are you sure your panel timing is very correct?
<suprothunderbolt> no vblank interrupts are generated. I'm not sure / why.
<suprothunderbolt> MoeIcenowy, I've asked the manufacturer, they gave me these timing and the driver source. I've got the data sheets too.
<suprothunderbolt> so relatively sure... though they say they have someone using it with Linux but it's mostly Android.
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<suprothunderbolt> would this be how it would fail if timing was wrong?
<suprothunderbolt> The board layout could be wrong or I could have messed up the soldering too :)
<MoeIcenowy> I met no vblank when timing wrong
<MoeIcenowy> and when timing is fixed, vblank fires
<suprothunderbolt> I was pretty sure it was my merging of the patch into 4.19 but now i'm running 5.0 and the same error
<suprothunderbolt> I can ask the manufacturer more questions if needed, I just don't know what else to ask.
<anarsoul> suprothunderbolt: you need working image for your board from manufacturer
<anarsoul> it's impossible to figure out what's going wrong - DSI controller doesn't provide any meaningful error reporting
<anarsoul> so unless you've got DSI analyzer all you can do is shooting in the dark
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<suprothunderbolt> anarsoul, what do you mean? They've just given me an android driver
<suprothunderbolt> shooting in the dark sounds scary... :) I've got a 4 channel 500mhz scope.
<suprothunderbolt> I'm running the v7 patch from Amarula's github. The v9 patch is a bit harder to merge on 5.0. I applied v9 onto 4.19 though and got the same thing
<suprothunderbolt> does the init commands not failing suggest any amount of correctness or is there no ack at that stage?
<suprothunderbolt> Oh and I don't know what TE should be connected to. The panel has tear enable pins but I don't know how to specify what they are connected to in a driver or what to do with them.
<suprothunderbolt> I think that could be the issue. The panel generates a TE signal that is meant to generate the vblank but that isn't connected
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<suprothunderbolt> I've never done anything with android but would it be useful to try and run android on it and use their supplied driver some how ?
<KotCzarny> at least you will confirm it works
<KotCzarny> :)
<suprothunderbolt> getting android to work sounds time consuming!
<suprothunderbolt> but I'm not getting anywhere with other options
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<suprothunderbolt> I've got the data sheet for the driver chip as well, so I can work out what most of the random commands mean but that doesn't mean I understand any of them... :)
<KotCzarny> but, have you seen your particular panel working at all?
<KotCzarny> things are sometimes DoA
<wens> MoeIcenowy: don't to it # build chromium on sunxi boards
<wens> building on a reasonably fast server takes maybe an hour? that's 24 cores with plenty of memory
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<suprothunderbolt> KotCzarny, no i haven't. I've got 5 of the panels. No idea if my base board is okay though. I might have soldered something wrong, or made a mistake in the layout
<plaes> fa
<suprothunderbolt> the backlight works fine
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<libv> hah
<libv> someone has gone and put actual info in the chip page.
<libv> points for realizing that putting info into the sunxi wiki is the durable option.
<libv> not that sunxi has good infrastructure
<libv> but it is way smarter than following what device makers want
<libv> with their misplaced dreams of becoming an ecosystem
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<KotCzarny> mostly it's the people who got some useful info from linux-sunxi wiki that contribute stuff back
<KotCzarny> and often to have a braindump backup online
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<libv> KotCzarny: i was lambasting the $hitpiness of the ntc chip
<libv> they supposedly were a .us, and they did a real kickstarter, sadly at the time of us making gpl violations noise
<libv> a .us company
<libv> this forced their hand in that they paid free-electrons to keep their statements about being open source
<libv> but apart from that, they were just as rubbish as all the other players in the same field for the same price
<KotCzarny> still, most likely it was some user that put the info
<libv> and they played the exact same tricks, especially when fooling themselves that they were going to make money by making it an ecosystem to match the rpi religion
<libv> it was
<libv> but it took 4 years for that to happen
<libv> the company has been defunct now for quite a while
<KotCzarny> that's the problem/fun with communities and free work
<KotCzarny> order in chaos happens, but you have big data set to make it happen
<KotCzarny> *must have
<libv> back in the day, it was hailed as much more than a competitor to bpi and opi, which were already "big" then too, but which clearly were low cost $hitpies
<KotCzarny> all words and no essence?
<libv> but it was pretty clear where that journey was headed, and it was a surprise for them to actually bow to the pressure and throw bulk revenue at free-electrons
<libv> 1-2 weeks into the kickstarter, they found out about the gpl violations
<libv> because their backers had plastered it all over their comments
<libv> oops.
<libv> before that it was "yeah, put the open-source buzzword in there"
<libv> this was mostly an allwinner backed operation
<libv> there was no way that they could hit that pricepoint without allwinner providing socs cheaply (as calculated by tsvetan from olimex)
<libv> and some people of allwinner joined the ntc company
<libv> it was a weird mix of many strange things together, and it felt wrong from the getgo
<libv> unlike the clear intent and matching execution of bpi and opi
<libv> very few people kid themselves about those boards and companies
<megi> sysfs gpio interface is not that dumb after all, you can even poll() on gpio#/value according to The Code
<megi> and it may even use irqs under the hood
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<DuClare> megi: It's kinda weird though, the events are POLLPRI
<DuClare> And you have to seek to the start to read again
<DuClare> Which imo doesn't sit well with most existing code out there that expects a simple poll -> read -> poll -> read
<DuClare> And libraries such as libev don't even support POLLPRI
<megi> DuClare: interesting, I haven't tested it yet, so thanks for info
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<MoeIcenowy> in fact I think the NTC GR8 package is interesting ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> it can be more interesting if it's not BGA but QFP ;-)
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<willmore> There were a lot of people on the hobbiest side interested by the non-BGA packages.
<willmore> There was the hope if the software matured and the chips were generally available that they could spin their own designs more easily than if it was a BGA only part.
<KotCzarny> maybe someone should invent bga chip holder that would double as a heatsink?
<KotCzarny> not very reliable, but very easy for diy
<willmore> Still have to mount the BGA on the adapter.
<KotCzarny> press it.
<megi> something like like this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPU_socket
<megi> :)
<KotCzarny> some kind of springy/pogo socket
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<willmore> megi, now you have to solder that *and* they're crazy expensive.
<KotCzarny> +1
<KotCzarny> would be probably more expensive than soc itself
<KotCzarny> :>
<megi> yes :)
<willmore> Well more expensive.
<willmore> And require more PCB layers as they're through hole.
<willmore> QFP is good for 144 pins or so, that's plenty for hobbiest level stuff.
<willmore> Well, you can get huge ones...
<willmore> There were a lot of older FPGAs with crazy big leaded packages.
<megi> something simplified would have to be SoC specific though, so that you can merge all the grounds and supplies on the adapter
<megi> and not have crazy amount of pins on the side
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<megi> and perhaps with integrated decoupling caps
<megi> that are usually at the other side of the board
<megi> under the bga package
<KotCzarny> or just minimize amount of pins by using fast serial interfaces?
<KotCzarny> ;)
<KotCzarny> imagine lcd on 1 pin
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<megi> oh the benefits of seeing each pixel being drawn
<KotCzarny> the benefits of cheap cables!
<KotCzarny> but we have 100mbits on a single pair (roughly)
<KotCzarny> and it's old tech
<KotCzarny> fhd@60fps is ~37mbits
<KotCzarny> erm. 373mbits
<megi> aren't we re-inventing SoMs?
<KotCzarny> there was a time in history where single wire was good enough for displaying things (bnc, cvbs), would such wonder return?
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* willmore remembers the era of cvbs and does not wish for it to return
<KotCzarny> we can do it digital 1-wire
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* willmore prefers differential signals
<KotCzarny> ok, digital 2-wire
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<plaes> there's balun to convert coaxial to diff-wire :)
<plaes> and back
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<willmore> plaes, that's not the same thing. Differential signals are useful because they don't radiate as much noise and aren't as succeptable to induced noise. Baluns--like all transformers--have a limited bandwidth, so they're not good for all signals.
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<plaes> yup, this was for old cctv setup
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<tllim> @wens, welcome to Bay Area. If you interest to meet up today, lets me know. I will travel to LA/San Diego on tomorrow morning and return on Sunday night.
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<jernej> wens, mripard: just wondering, when will be sunxi/clk-fixes-for-5.1 PR sent?
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<jo0nas> MoeIcenowy: could you help me debug why USB isn't working in the patchset I am trying to push to mainline?
<jo0nas> ...for teres-i, I mean
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<tuxd3v> hello hall
<tuxd3v> o/
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