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<fwoaroof[m]> phoe: isn't there a library for that problem
<fwoaroof[m]> ?
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<beach> Good morning everyone!
<beach> phoe: Yes, in SICL/Code/Cleavir/Input-output
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<mfiano> Sly has an experimental new feature that makes me extremely happy.
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<fe[nl]ix> mfiano: do tell more
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<mfiano> I have a game/simulation engine in CL I've been developing over the years. One feature this game engine has is the ability to ray cast to be able to select the CLOS object of the representative geometry of a 3-dimensional scene, using the mouse. Basically, cast a ray through the screen origined at the pixel of the mouse coordinates, find the closest geometry it intersects with, and do something with
<mfiano> the CLOS object of that representative geometry. As of today, one of the things I can do, is send the CLOS instance value to the REPL (binding it to `*` as well, as if it were evaluated in the REPL). So, I can further manipulate it/inspect it from there. It sure beats digging through a deeply nested structure of objects in the inspector from the root of the game engine's state object.
<mfiano> I'm sure this could be useful in other graphical contexts too.
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<mfiano> Heh, I've been developing this engine for about 10 years now, although in parallel with a complex game using it. One of my ultimate goals is to have a platform which I can use to demonstrate to others why Common Lisp is the ultimate language for writing interactive video games or simulations, through a tutorial video series or something. Game development is incredibly time consuming, and Common Lisp
<mfiano> significantly reduces that time.
<mfiano> Scratch that, looks like nearly 13 years.
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<aeth> making things deep inside a complicated application bind to * would actually make * way more useful than it currently is
<mfiano> Sly has always had the feature of being able to M-RET in the inspector/debugger to bring back any value to the REPL, binding it to `*` in the process. But, that was from the ELisp side. Now, you can do so from CL code.
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<mfiano> Of course, * is pretty useless when you have back references, another feature of Sly over SLIME.
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<phoe> fwoaroof[m]: which problem do you mean?
<phoe> beach: thanks.
<phoe> Xach: could you help with https://github.com/dimitri/pgloader/issues/1101#issuecomment-678715894 ? This is Quicklisp client complaining about HTTP 206
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<beach> phoe: It is only a few lines of code, in case you want to extract it to a library, or write your own version of it.
<beach> And you can look in SICL/Cleavir2/Abstract-syntax-tree to see how it is used.
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<phoe> thanks for the pointers
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<beach> Pleasure.
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<phoe> Let's assume I have a directed tree with vertices A -> B -> D and A -> C -> D
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<phoe> Is it a tree, since there are multiple paths via which D can be reached from A? Is there a name for such a tree variant?
<Inline> a diamond
<Inline> you have a split from the root to the bottom
<phoe> I mean, the tree can be more complicated than that - it's just that there is more than one path to reach some object inside it from the root
<phoe> Or, in other words - is the superclass-subclass graph in Common Lisp a tree?
<beach> phoe: It's a DAG.
<Inline> split graph maybe
<phoe> beach: thanks!
<Inline> but afaik split graphs are undirected, maybe there are also directed versions....
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<_death> phoe: in a tree, between every two vertices there must be a single path
<beach> At most.
<phoe> _death: yes, thanks, that is what I was thinking of
<phoe> beach: strictly speaking, exactly one; if it's zero, then it's a forest
<beach> Oh, so if you have B and C both being children of A, there is a path between B and C?
<phoe> unless we are talking about directed trees, at which point----
<phoe> yes, that
<phoe> when we convert the directed tree to an undirected one, then there is exactly one path
<beach> Sure.
<_death> beach: a directed tree is called a polytree, where there is a single path if we remove the directions
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<_death> I guess usually when one talks about trees (if it's not bioinformatics ;) one means rooted trees
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<shangul> where can I find about more options I can pass to uiop:read-file-lines?
<phoe> (documentation 'uiop:read-file-lines 'function)
<phoe> seems like KEYS are passed to CL:OPEN
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<Xach> phoe: interesting. quicklisp http never requests ranges. i suspect a proxy intervening or something similar to that.
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<phoe> Xach: will you respond there, or should I do that?
<phoe> because I still don't know what to really respond with
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<Xach> i can respond there
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<phoe> thanks
<shangul> phoe, thanks
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<Josh_2> afternoon
<beach> Hello Josh_2.
<Josh_2> Hi beach, hows your work going?
<beach> Great, thanks. How about you?
<Josh_2> That's good to hear!
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<Josh_2> for me it is not work, just a hobby :P
<beach> Heh, I see.
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<beach> So jackdaniel is working on Clostrum, which is the extraction of SICL first-class global environments to a separate repository. And once the main work is done, he is going to create an instance of it that contains enough ECL macros and functions to be used as the basis for a cross compiler for ECL.
<beach> This is a demo to show how to build a cross compiler using Clostrum, Trucler, Eclector, CST, and Cleavir.
<beach> For (EVAL-WHEN (:COMPILE-TOPLEVEL...) ...) we need an EVAL, and I am working on an "AST evaluator" that will turn the AST into very specialized host code so that forms can be evaluated in a Clostrum environment constellation.
<Josh_2> sounds very complicated
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<beach> It's a bit involved, but it will be well documented so that someone who wants to create a cross compiler for his or her favorite Common Lisp implementation should be able to do so.
<Josh_2> Well best of luck with it! I'm just messing with my own trivial HTTP server
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<beach> Thanks. Good luck with yours as well.
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<phoe> (
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<Josh_2> )
<dra> Hello!
<phoe> hey dra
<Josh_2> hi
<Inline> (!)
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<markasoftware> with &allow-other-keys, is there a way to get /only/ the other keys, excluding the keys that I explicitly list as arguments?
<phoe> use &rest &key instead
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<phoe> (defun foo (&rest args &key foo bar baz &allow-other-keys) (let ((other-keys (alexandria-:remove-from-plist args :foo :bar :baz))) ...))
<phoe> s/alexandria-/alexandria/
<markasoftware> ok, so there's no way to do it using only the lambda list, i need to remove from plist. Thanks!
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<phoe> also remember that :allow-other-keys t can be passed from the caller side, too, but you likely don't need to prepare for such a scenario
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