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<Wizzup> uvos: nice work @ full screen, will try to test it all today
<uvos> btw i noticed another problem while testing for this
<uvos> tklock dosent XGrabKeyboard()
<uvos> so .... it fails as a lock screen
<uvos> any applicaiton that uses XGrabKey() to register a shortcut will work dispite the lockscreen
<uvos> and any applciation that XSetInputFocus() will also get keyboard input despite the lockscreen
<uvos> also since keyboard grab isent held by tklock any window that did register a grab (like a context menu) will end up locking the input focus away from tklock, witch is wierd and also means your interacting with the contex menu though the lockscreen
<Wizzup> that sounds buggy
<uvos> i think this is on purpose maybe
<uvos> so that applications can xgrabkey for music shortcuts and the like
<uvos> and vol up down
<Wizzup> oh, yeah...
<uvos> but thats... not really how a lockscreen on x11 works
<uvos> not sure how to solve this really
<uvos> but i need to at least stop hildon form using it shortcuts with tklock active
<Wizzup> the ts buttons?
<uvos> rn you can just navigate away from tklock via the d4 buttons
<Wizzup> right
<uvos> and ctrl-backspace
<uvos> i never noticed this because i use i3lock
<uvos> :P
<Wizzup> ah, yeah, I don't see it with control+backspace, but the home buttom does that
<Wizzup> and the arrow just kills it
<uvos> ctrl+backspace is nolong bound on d4
<uvos> yeah arrow just killing it is pretty bad
<uvos> since mce then gets out of sync with systemui
<Wizzup> I don't know what mechanism within X would even make sense for this
<Wizzup> but iirc we discussed this before
<Wizzup> like half a year ago or so, wrt volume control
<uvos> XGrabKeyboard() + passthough for whatever we like
<uvos> using synthetic events
<siceloa> why was it necessary for ctrl-backspace to be unbound on droid 4, if i may ask?
<uvos> siceloa: i made the shortcuts bindable to different whatever keys via an .ini file, however rn. you can only bind one shortcut per action
<uvos> siceloa: i made the decission that the ctrl-backspace behavior is more usefull on the d4 home button
<siceloa> i see
<uvos> if there is great popular demand i can just duplicate the action btw.
<uvos> also this is device specific n900 retains ctrl-backspace
<uvos> and pp has it on vol down
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<siceloa> So how will pp do an actual vol down when the key is used in this way? 🤔
<uvos> siceloa: they dont rn
<siceloa> Yes I know the volume applet isn't working currently.
<Wizzup> siceloa: no, but we also don't have volapplet working yet
<uvos> yeah idk what is best for pp
<uvos> some method to raise the vkb is needed
<uvos> so i have to assign that somewhere
<uvos> so thats one vol button
<uvos> and then the other one i might as well assign aswel
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<siceloa> so, droid4-pm mentions to unload droid4 touchscreen driver when screen is blanked. are we actually doing that in leste?
<uvos> siceloa: no and its not nesecary at all
<uvos> mce simply ensures that everybode closes the input device on screen blank
<siceloa> alright. makes sense
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<freemangordon> I don;t really like reassigning volume buttons functionlaity
<freemangordon> uvos: you may add an entry in power key menu
<freemangordon> part of its functionality is calling dbus, you just need to add config file with interface and function (iirc)
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<uvos> freemangordon: idk that sounds like terribe ux
<uvos> freemangordon: since you need to open/close the vkb very often
<uvos> freemangordon: but yeah we should have both as an option
<uvos> freemangordon: so that either you need to ajust the volume only in the staus menu
<uvos> freemangordon: or you can only open vkb in power menu
<uvos> freemangordon: likey ideal (but hard to implement) would be adding a button in the pannel next to the left hildon button that raises vkb
<uvos> but only on ts only phones with no extra keys
<uvos> (like all modern ones)
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<freemangordon> uvos: a gesture?
<uvos> sure that would work
<freemangordon> hmm, didn't we already agree on the gesture?
<Entitlement> siceloa - [ Pinephone is the perfect reason to fix bad code. - Konrad Dybcio ]
<uvos> not that i remember
<freemangordon> I have some vague memories
<uvos> ok
<freemangordon> but anyway
<freemangordon> still, I think this is the best option and is device independent
<siceloa> +1
<uvos> i like haveing it on a key where one is available (like bionic)
<uvos> but sure a device independant additional method is good to
<uvos> anyhow i think assinging it to vol-up on pp is fine untill we have volume control
<freemangordon> yeah, if we can dedicate a key to it is good to have
<freemangordon> ok
<freemangordon> As long as it is a temporary solution I am fine
<horseshoecrab> hi, i have a question as a new user: is there supposed to be a gui sip client available? (disclaimer: i am extremely happy with my maemo-leste experience so far, i do understand it is alpha and you guys have already exceeded my expectations for the distro in terms of the bizarre use that i put my n900 to, so please do NOT take this is complaint, nagging or criticism in any form!) ?
<uvos> horseshoecrab: no
<uvos> horseshoecrab: but you can use anything from debian
<horseshoecrab> thanks.
<uvos> horseshoecrab: with varring levels of ui
<uvos> dekstop uis on the phone are a bit though ofc
<horseshoecrab> yeah i don't think i want one badly enough.
<horseshoecrab> its just that i think i saw some screenshots that included it and wondered why my install was lacking.
<horseshoecrab> but its not a big problem in any way.
<horseshoecrab> as an aside, i think i also asked a question a while back regarding resolv.conf. i think at the time it could only use google resolvers.
<horseshoecrab> i dunno if ive managed to freak something or you guys have fixed it but that seems to be working now too.
<horseshoecrab> :)
<uvos> this is fixed (in devel)
<siceloa> this just got solved :)
<uvos> yeah parazyd fixed it
<horseshoecrab> top man
<horseshoecrab> :)
<uvos> btw regarding sip. its not sip per say but you can use telegram-desktop to place calls over ip, with perfect phone ui.
<horseshoecrab> its no problem.
<uvos> n900 also might not have enough ram
<horseshoecrab> i mainly just use my n900 as a little bedside music player (with mplayer of all things) and i run an irc bot on it.
<uvos> cool
<horseshoecrab> and its good to have an up to date kernel
<siceloa> i had some success with SIP via empathy on the N900
<horseshoecrab> ssl etc. thanks to devuan
<horseshoecrab> and the commandline stuff that works nicely with the low ram
<uvos> well n900 is pretty behind kernel wise sadly
<horseshoecrab> anything else i take as cherry on the cake
<uvos> not nearly as mutch as freemantle ofc :P
<horseshoecrab> uvos: i have a couple of nslu2s here and an old ppc mac
<horseshoecrab> compared to those this thing is very up to date.
<horseshoecrab> and considering that my usual distro of choice is debian stable... ;)
<horseshoecrab> i had it dual booting some sort of frankendebian with a 4 series kernel that i had no idea how to update without losing more hair.
<horseshoecrab> you guys have solved that very neatly for the short to medium term at least, and for that i am extremely grateful.
<Wizzup> siceloa: :)
<siceloa> I read that, and again remembered that Leste blog post
<Wizzup> which one in particular?
<sicelo> the last one
<sicelo> "Lacking phone calls might seem ridiculous to some, but there are many aspects that matter about a mobile operating system, and working phone calls without any sense of power management ... also make a device hardly usable"
<Wizzup> right, yeah.
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<uvos_> we have had pm for a while now, so phone ui tomorrow right?
<uvos_> right!?
<parazyd> That's part of the "good news" :p
<uvos_> hehe
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<sicelo> my droid 4 seems to 'forget' to enter charging mode now. i wonder why
<sicelo> i see this in Alpine, running 5.12.0-rc2, and also in Leste -devel
<sicelo> i started thinking it could be bad cable or port, but it's fine in android. anyone observed this on their droid4?
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<uvos> sicelo: there was a missing patch
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<sicelo> ah ok. at least if it's a known issue. for a moment was fretting that my usb port (in droid4) is developing issues
<uvos> you need "[PATCH 5/5] power: supply: cpcap-charger: Add usleep to cpcap charger to avoid usb plug bounce"
<uvos> if you dont have it allready
<uvos> its in -next
<siceloa> thanks. but, how about devel? i observed this in Leste devel too (with whatever kernel it has - i have two uSD cards - one for Leste and one for playing with wayland, currently pmos)
<uvos> i dont think it has made its way to leste
<uvos> unless tony added it to his pending branch
<uvos> before parazyd recently rebuilt the kernel
<uvos> it was in there before
<uvos> but went missing with 5.10
<uvos> iirc
<parazyd> Yeah it's not in our branches
<parazyd> afaict at least
<parazyd> Want me to add it to debian/patches?
<uvos> parazyd: if you like afaict for me at least its only needed @ >500ma so its not hugely important
<parazyd> 500 is set as the default current limit, no?
<parazyd> Or is this about the max a charger can provide?
<uvos> yeah is default
<uvos> but i gues if your contacts are dirty
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<uvos> or if your cable is long
<uvos> it might trip at 500 to
<parazyd> Right
<siceloa> a charger, by definition, should provide >500mA. you get =<500mA from USB port. so i'm not sure i follow the logic ...
<uvos> d4 currently dosent detect anything
<uvos> it just takes 500mA
<uvos> or whatever you set in sysfs
<siceloa> heh
<uvos> so it breaks procoll everywhere
<uvos> on a usbport you are only allowed 40uA iirc
<uvos> and on a charger you are guarenteed 500mA
<uvos> without negotiating high power mode
<uvos> so it breaks spec, differing ports/chargers react differently
<siceloa> anyway, my point is - the device does not charge - at least it charges 3 times out of 5. i think that's bad, so if that patch fixes it, then i would say it's important that it comes to devel
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