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<DocScrutinizer05> NFC, it used to work, who broke it damn fixes it!
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<DocScrutinizer05> those links in /resources worked a 50 times when I cliecked them. When they don't now, find the culprit and beat him to fix stiuff
<DocScrutinizer05> I'm not the sysop of this machine
<dos1> DocScrutinizer05: the symlink pointed to the symlink in your homedir
<dos1> already changed it
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* jonwil wishes he had the enthusiasm to work on N900 stuff again :(
<jonwil> but every time I look into something, I get stuck and give up and loose interest
<wpwrak> maybe scream for help when getting stuck ?
<jonwil> Seems like there is no-one in the community with the reverse engineering skills AND the interest/time to do any N900 work these days
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<Oksana> jonwil: /me has interest/
<jonwil> but do you have any reverse engineering skills?
<Oksana> Not sure, but for one, making a different map handler (or several of them) for address book (in light of Ovi maps being no longer maintainable?) should be relatively easy
<jonwil> well my interests only lie in reverse engineering stuff really
<Oksana> Also, I find it a tad unfair that map-helper is considered part of addressbook, when it should be used by all other apps, too (like Belltower). It would be beatiful, and avoid clumsy attempts of apps at bringing up Google Maps or whatever they think of
<jonwil> do you know the name of the package in question?
<jonwil> the one that does this maps stuff?>
* Oksana wonders if it is difficult to set up MADDE-or-something on Win7Ent-64bit
<Oksana> I don't remember exactly. Will find it within 1h
<jonwil> ok
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<Oksana> Okay, my lunch was too long /played chess in real world against N900-expert/ libosso-abook contains two map-helpers in /usr/lib/osso-addressbook/map-helpers/
<jonwil> ok so what exactly is the issue here? browser-maps is a shell script
<jonwil> and nokia-maps is a fairly simple binary that talks to libnavigation to do its work
<jonwil> there is some gconf stuff related to it
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<Oksana> The issue is, there should be more map-helpers (for Modrana, Marble, et cetera), and the map-helper should be used by other programs too, not only abook
<jonwil> its just a matter of producing new map helpers then
<jonwil> What other programs should be using map helpers?
<freemangordon> morning
<freemangordon> jonwil: well, I guess you're skilled enough for stuff like https://github.com/community-ssu/rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber, ain't?
<jonwil> with HexRays ARM maybe there are some things I can reverse engineer
<jonwil> one binary that seems to be totally impossible to reverse engineer is the main Skype binary
<jonwil> Its the first Linux ELF I have ever seen with sophisticated anti-reverse-engineering stuff
<freemangordon> but skype (x86, desktop) has been REed long ago iirc
<jonwil> every time its cracked Microsoft changes the protocol a bit and makes it harder to get into. Not sure exactly why Microsoft is so against the idea of 3rd party Skype clients...
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<Wizzup> then how does skype on the n900 still work
<jonwil> no idea
<Wizzup> ;)
<jonwil> I am surprised it does
<Wizzup> so they don't change quite as much
<jonwil> they may have different protocols, one for mobile (e.g. iOS/Android/N900/etc) and one for desktop
* freemangordon stopped using skype when MS bought it
<jonwil> wouldn't surprise me if part of why its secret is because of all the backdoors that let law enforcement and intelligence agencies spy on Skype traffic
<jonwil> i.e. they dont want people creating a 3rd party client that the backdoors cant work on
<jonwil> that said there are far more useful targets to reverse engineer than Skype...
<Wizzup> jonwil: they have it all centralised now anyway, since MS
<jonwil> yeah
<freemangordon> jonwil: yeah, like the remaining stuff in rtcom-accounts-ui
<jonwil> which packages specifically?
<jonwil> or do you mean just rtcom-accounts-* for anything not already open?
<freemangordon> :nod:
<jonwil> rtcom-accounts-plugin-nokiachat is pointless, nokiachat is crap
<freemangordon> so far we have jabber and gtalk
<freemangordon> what remains is (sip, facebook) and maybe voip-support
<jonwil> I hate facebook and refuse to use it so rtcom-accounts-plugin-facebook isn't something I care about
<freemangordon> well, there are more than enough other binaries produced by the same source package
<jonwil> Freemangordon: Can you look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_closed_packages and tell me if any packages have been cloned or otherwise made open but aren't highlighted in green? Would be good to keep that page up to date
<jonwil> you mentioned rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber
<freemangordon> :nod: , I did it some weeks ago
<jonwil> ok, is rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber the only one not highlighted green?
<jonwil> oh wait I see someone cloned sharing-service-facebook and that's not green either
<freemangordon> (someone == /me) :)
<jonwil> :)
<freemangordon> PA modules are not in green either
<jonwil> :)
* Oksana also stopped using skype when MS bought it | RE-ed SIP would be nice | Other apps which should use map-helpers? Belltower, cellnet-info (pity that it uses python and Qt), Snuggle (again, python-Qt)
<jonwil> regarding other apps using map-helpers, its a matter for the maintainers of those apps to update them
<jonwil> rather than us :)
<jonwil> Freemangordon: If you can update that wiki page with the correct green highlights for things already completed I will then produce a list of candidates for things I will look at reverse engineering
<freemangordon> I can, but I guess I won't :p.
<Oksana> Yes, it is... /me would like to find documentation on how to call default map-helper, something along dbus-lines probably/ Is there a place for maemo developers to share tricks&tips and beta-test each others software? For example, mc and angrybirds do not purge cleanly - in haste to delete folder, they forget to delete files, and hence settings remain behind
<freemangordon> also, the stuff we counted ^^^ is all that needs to be changed to green
<freemangordon> afaik
<jonwil> I will update the page :)
<Oksana> :-D
<freemangordon> sounds good :)
<jonwil> someone needs to find the new home of all the repos that used to live on gitorious
<freemangordon> jonwil: afaik everything is already migrated to github (or in case of PA - to notabug)
* freemangordon has to run, see ya
<jonwil> ok
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<DocScrutinizer05> dos1: wpwrak: sorry, I was extremely grumpy and thick yesterday. Yes, I renamed a symlink in my homedir, didn't realize that the /resource link pointed to my homedir
<DocScrutinizer05> on a daily WTF update: PP answered. "according to our fineprint any answer to your request may take up to 4, in special cases up to 8 weeks"
<DocScrutinizer05> (answer to my lawyer)
<saper> they switched to "we are at war" mode
<DocScrutinizer05> I guess they don't now any other mode
<DocScrutinizer05> know*
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<DocScrutinizer05> but thanks to ravelo's investigations we now have a better understanding of the reasons for their behavior and whyt to expect
<DocScrutinizer05> what*
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<DocScrutinizer05> [2015-10-16 Fri 21:59:01] <ravelo> Yes. I think i got a good understanding by reading thus site:
<DocScrutinizer05> [2015-10-16 Fri 21:59:06] <ravelo> http://www.digitalmarketer.com/paypal-vs-stripe-vs-merchant-account/
<DocScrutinizer05> many thanks ravelo!
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<Kero> paypal now tells me it is *your* problem
<edwin> paypal told me it cannot give me any more info due to data protection laws and the seller should contact paypal
<Kero> well, they phrased it like 'if Neo900 acount is frozen, they should contact paypal'
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* Oksana wonders if modems of N900 and Neo900 have 3 (2G, 3G, 2G+3G) or 4 (2G, 3G, 2G+3G-2G-preferred, 2G+3G-3G-preferred) modes ...
<jonwil> remember Neo900 has LTE also
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<Oksana> 4G. Okay, still I would like to have 2G+3G+4G-do-not-spend-battery-too-quickly , if possible. And somebody would probably like 2G+3G+4G-best-signal-fastest-connection , I guess
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