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<ravelo_>
sn0wmonster, any news on the news?
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<sn0wmonster>
ravelo, needs one more look by Joerg-Neo900 and then i'll be ready to sign off on it i think
<DocScrutinizer51>
I added comments a few hours ago, would lie to discuss a few more points
<DocScrutinizer51>
as soon as I'm back home
<sn0wmonster>
saw them, updated, and great-- will be waiting
<atk>
DocScrutinizer51: so, I've not really been paying attention recently, how's the laying out of the next prototype coming along?
<DocScrutinizer51>
Esa said they are moving office, and it is summer which prolly means holiday season, so he might be a tad slower than usual
* sn0wmonster
waves at atk
<atk>
sn0wmonster: oh, hello
<atk>
sn0wmonster: I knew I remembered your name from somewhere
<sn0wmonster>
hehe
<sn0wmonster>
i'm still stuck at 15, so i figured i'd be useful instead
<atk>
hmm
<atk>
yes, certainly a plan
<atk>
so you're the new news guy?
<sn0wmonster>
it looks that way
<atk>
DocScrutinizer51: the european space agency is doing our layout ? :O
<atk>
(I am kidding, obviously)
<atk>
Well, it's good to hear that it's progressing again.
<atk>
Any conservative estimates on when we might see the next proto?
<sn0wmonster>
i would advise against any estimates as they tend to be wrong :D
<atk>
yes, but they give an idea
<sn0wmonster>
afaik agreements were made, contracts were signed, work is in progress, but i wish i knew how long that process typically takes. probably a few months?
<atk>
good enough
<atk>
hopefully the next proto appears before the end of the year
<atk>
I think I'm going to downpay for a pyra too
<atk>
I hear 8 months is a conservative estimate for the pyra and it actually is very well priced
<sn0wmonster>
i suppose i should do some more research and do a writeup of the differences between the Neo900 and the Pyra
<atk>
well, the Pyra probably isn't going to be easy to use as a phone for one.
<sn0wmonster>
yea, seems like it's more geared towards being a palm-top computer
<sn0wmonster>
while the Neo900 is geared towards being a smart phone
<atk>
I've discovered fantastic new GUI implementation methods.
<atk>
I will probably write some test programs for my N900 at some point to profile things.
<atk>
And make sure performance isn't eaten.
<sn0wmonster>
alos the Pyra is ARM, but is the Neo900?
<atk>
There are some back-end optimisations I can put in this "library" to make it more efficient.
<atk>
sn0wmonster: yes
<atk>
But it will make writing a GUI in C very easy hopefully.
<atk>
And very clean.
<sn0wmonster>
so both will have the problem of needing an ARM version of Debian
<atk>
that's already taken care of for both projects I think
<sn0wmonster>
so no easy plug-and-play TailsOS device :) (bummer)
<atk>
neo900 should work with mainline
<atk>
either way
<atk>
this GUI thing will be instrumental in putting together my own phone UI for the neo900 when it arrives.
<atk>
I will likely try to steal gentoo/void/arch/exherbo packages in some way or another and build a local package cache and then make the phone package management filesystem based gobolinux style
<atk>
I will unfortunately need a way to interface with dbus from C though.
<atk>
So I will likely need to go ahead with my project to put together code generation for C for libdbus so you can use dbus from C without going insane.
<atk>
But this means I don't have to make the UI entirely ncurses based which will probably be good because ncurses is awful
<atk>
Or maybe I can find a way to entirely avoid dbus and just steal some other IPC bus and build on that.
<MonkeyofDoom>
ncurses should be outlawed
<sn0wmonster>
i understood some of those words
<sn0wmonster>
what's wrong with ncurses?
<atk>
it's a poor API
<sn0wmonster>
i have never *developed* for it, but i've always enjoyed using ncurses programs
<atk>
not as bad as dbus but it's a bit of a PITA to work with.
<sn0wmonster>
ah, yea, that might be
<sn0wmonster>
i was considering an ncurses UI for Taskhive
<atk>
the IMGUI design (when made more efficient) can do a very good job of allowing you to quickly write simple code for powerful UI.
<sn0wmonster>
because i wanted people to be able to use it from a VPS and/or console
<atk>
I will have to see if plan9 used some similar style.
<atk>
What is taskhive?
<sn0wmonster>
A secure, decentralised freelance marketplace application.
<atk>
if you need to save the state of some memory in a snapshot, then seamlessly and without any performance loss switch to COW, then restore the snapshot - absolutely 10/10
<MonkeyofDoom>
that is a great syscall
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