07:24 <sn0wmonster> how secure can the Neo900 be if the modem is closed source/blob?

07:25 <sn0wmonster> what is it about the Neo900 that makes it secure to the point it can guarantee that the closed source modem is not going to interfere with it or retrieve its data in any way?

07:45 <sixwheeledbeast^> I believe it is has the possibly of being monitored and can be powered down if something doesn't check out. Open source modem would be great but causes more issues as many network providers will not allow that.

08:32 <Wizzup> sn0wmonster: the point is that in most phones, this evil modem can directly touch the ram

08:32 <Wizzup> or do other nasty things

08:33 <Wizzup> because it's on usb on the neo900, it can do no such things, usb doesn't have dma in that sense

08:33 <Wizzup> so yes, the modem is still 'untrusted', but at least it cannot do too many evil things (other than perhaps try to exploit the linux usb stack)

08:34 <Wizzup> sn0wmonster: the modem can definitely 'interfere' or just 'stop working', but that should not compromise your phone

15:09 <sn0wmonster> https://www.wired.com/2016/06/demonically-clever-backdoor-hides-inside-computer-chip/

15:09 <sn0wmonster> pretty horrible thought

19:12 <Joerg-Neo900> needs a prolly last proofread by me

19:14 <enyc> ooooooooooooooooo good things happening =)