<adrien>
although it's mostly done; I need to remove the pony images from the screenshots mostly
<appleby>
is that archive the same as the link i posted?
<adrien>
yes
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<appleby>
nice, thx
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<appleby>
if I find a reference to a module
<appleby>
for example
<appleby>
Arg.parse options
<appleby>
why is it that I can't find the file arg or Arg.ml ?
<Drup>
where are you looking ?
<adrien>
Arg is from the standard library
<appleby>
like Core?
<adrien>
no, Core is a replacement for the standard library
<appleby>
k
<appleby>
so is it like
<appleby>
in files
<appleby>
somewhere?
<appleby>
is there anyway someone can help me with my huge ass project
<adrien>
"man Arg" should give you some doc
<appleby>
I have < 3 months to develop this huge project to fly a drone
<appleby>
I have 8 other people on my team
<appleby>
only 2 software
<adrien>
only 2 software, you're lucky then
<appleby>
hell no
<appleby>
like 80% of the project is software
<appleby>
so say there is a reference to a module in a .ml file
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<appleby>
what possible places can I find that ml file
<ggole>
The stdlib source is sitting in /usr/lib/ocaml/ on my machine
<appleby>
i mean the module
<appleby>
oh okay
<appleby>
so it's either in the ocaml thing
<appleby>
or in a local directly
<appleby>
directory*
<adrien>
appleby: but why are you after the .ml file?
<ggole>
You can direct the compiler to look in other directories, too
<appleby>
well it's jsut easier to reverse engineerthat way
<ggole>
Much like C compilers
<adrien>
appleby: huh, why?
<adrien>
there is documentation in the .mli which then gets into the manpage and on the website
<appleby>
k
<appleby>
then in that case maybe i'm looking for the mli file
<appleby>
haha
<ggole>
(The .mli is in the same place, so...)
<appleby>
what's a good
<appleby>
what's a good ocaml editor for mac
<appleby>
i'm using eclipse right now
<ggole>
I think most people use emacs or vim.
<ggole>
Any good editor will suffice.
<adrien>
and on my laptop I can directly access file:///usr/doc/ocaml-4.02.0/ocaml-refman.html and file:///usr/doc/ocaml-4.02.0/ocaml-refman.html#htoc299 for the standard library in particular (which contains Arg) [ of course, you're not running 4.02 ]
<appleby>
like do those have syntax highlighting
<ggole>
Yep.
<ggole>
Well, you might need to install some stuff for the editor: depends
<Drup>
actually; emacs/vim have far more than syntax highlighting, thanks to merlin
<appleby>
what stuff
<Drup>
I think there is an experimental merlin support for textmate too
<ggole>
Merlin does completion, jump to definition, shows you types of things, etc
<flux>
though curiously it's mentioned there only once, I would have expected it would be there twice (once after startup, second time after manually evaluating the buffer)
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<flux>
if you enter M-x tuareg-mode, does it work?
<appleby>
says symbol's definition is void
<flux>
how about M-x eval-expression (require 'tuareg-mode) ?
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<appleby>
says
<appleby>
let: Invalid read syntax: ")"
<flux>
hmm
<flux>
that sounds.. weird..
<flux>
does your tuareg-mode.el look like it should?
<flux>
btw, my tuareg-mode is over 200 kilobytes
<ggole>
Huh? Are you getting the prompt down the bottom when you do M-x?
<flux>
though it's possibly more recent than one -from 2010-
<flux>
(you know, people often don't like it when people paste line after another to irc, and rather have it put to a paste site instead)
<appleby>
yea, sorry
<flux>
you should try if (require 'tuareg) works
<flux>
with M-x eval-expression
<appleby>
same thing
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<appleby>
function symbol void
<flux>
ok, how about (load-file "~/.elisp/tuareg-mode/tuareg.el") ?
<appleby>
with M-x eval?
<flux>
yes
<ggole>
You can shortcut that with M-:, btw
<appleby>
wtf void
<flux>
it should return 't'
<flux>
well, next step: open tuareg.el in emacs
<flux>
and evaluate that buffer
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<flux>
(also I would remind you that you tuareg.el looks curiously small and old, maybe it has an issue with your emacs that has been solved in a more recent version)
<appleby>
for some very weird reason
<appleby>
my 2 tuareg files are different
<flux>
2 tuareg files?
<appleby>
one which I copied over from another directory
<flux>
out of disk space?
<appleby>
i downloaded it to my desktop
<appleby>
and copied it to the elisp folder
<appleby>
ok nvm nvm
<appleby>
sorry
<appleby>
was scrolled down in one
<appleby>
for some reason when I open my tuareg.el in my elisp directory
<appleby>
the title of my emacs editor says tuareg.el<2>
<appleby>
whatever that means
<flux>
you have two different tuareg.el files open in your emacs
<appleby>
okay when I evaluate buffer
<appleby>
of tuareg.el
<appleby>
it says symbol's function def is void
<flux>
so maybe there's something wrong in it and that's the ultimate reason why nothing earlier has worked?
<ggole>
So the void-function error was tuareg.el all along -_-
<ggole>
...presumably. Which symbol is named in the error?
<flux>
documentation for load says "Execute a file of Lisp code named FILE. First try FILE with `.elc' appended, then try with `.el',"
<flux>
so: no need to add .el
<flux>
(btw, documentation for functions can be reached with C-h f functionname)
<appleby>
IT WORKED
<flux>
congratulations!
<flux>
now you can try installing merlin and wondering why it doesn't work.. ;-)
<appleby>
lol
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<rgrinberg>
Drup: marshal should be easy. why bencode however? it's not a very useful protocol outside of reading torrent files imo
<Drup>
curiosity :p
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<Drup>
( companion_cube has talked too much about it, I'm contaminated )
<rgrinberg>
sexplib/binprot might also be interesting
<rgrinberg>
P.S. how is the raw ocsigen http stuff? Is there anything I can pillage for cohttp?
<rgrinberg>
or is it ocamlnet based?
<Drup>
not sure to understand the question
<Drup>
ocsigen is not ocamlnet based
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<rgrinberg>
i mean request/response read/write, cookies, auth, etc.
<Drup>
oh, you mean, could you steal feature from ocsigen for cohttp ?
<Drup>
yes, you can, that would be desirable actually
<rgrinberg>
yeah cohttp has its own but it's not very optimized currently
<rgrinberg>
i've looked at what else is there and both ocsigen and ocamlnet have this functionality as a subset as well i believe
<Drup>
vincent talked to me a few time about the fact it would be good to make ocsigen more modular, and one way was to use cohttp as base, but, according to what he told me, ocsigen is using stuff that are not in cohttp
<Drup>
performance wise, ocsigen is good, probably not fantastic, but quite good
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<rgrinberg>
yeah I see, that woudl make sense because cohttp is still not nearly as mature
<Drup>
the big issue with ocsigen is clearly not feature or performances, it's just the fact that the core is quite in one piece
<Drup>
on the other hand, the extension mechanic is nice
<Drup>
rgrinberg: if you are interested by this, ask vincent about it, he will tell you far more than I could
<rgrinberg>
Drup: thanks, let me do some homework on this first. What I'm interested in should be in: ocsigen/ocsigenserver, correct?
<Drup>
yes
<Drup>
the code is a bit ... rough on the edge
<rgrinberg>
I'm not sure about the code yet but I did try using ocsigen as an http client before
<rgrinberg>
the interface was a little... strange
<Drup>
oh yeah
<Drup>
the http client is a bit weird, since you need to bring the server with it
<Drup>
that's one of the "come in one piece" issue I was talking about :)
<Drup>
(and this module is admittedly a bit experimental, since it's not used a lot)
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<sagotch>
I apologize if I alreayd asked, but connection is not good and I think my message did not passed.
<sagotch>
How to put an unicode char in a string ? writing "中国" is OK, "\u00E9" is not
<Drup>
(can confirm your messages did not reach us)
<sagotch>
(trying to avoid the use of extern library to handle utf8, cause I just need to parse it, not to make operations on it)
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<sagotch>
Is there a special character to represent this \u ?
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<Kakadu>
Can you explain me shortly what is Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique? Is it related to INRIA or OCaml somehow?
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<adrien_oww>
both INRIA and CNRS are government stuff (mostly)
<adrien_oww>
and both are large
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<jpdeplaix>
CNRS is larger
<jpdeplaix>
and not really related to OCaml
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<gasche>
Kakadu: CNRS and INRIA are French national bodies that pay full-time researchers without teaching obligation
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<gasche>
def-lkb, rks_: I regret you implement those syntax extensions in Merlin
<rks_>
what do you mean?
<gasche>
if you said "no", people would have to use -ppx instead, which is easier to support and probably better in the long run
<rks_>
well, I think they will
<gasche>
currently people conveniently avoid changing their infrastructure, because they can rely on the tooling people to take the burden of non-standard-ism
<rks_>
once 4.02 is out, that is
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<companion_cube>
o/
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<sagotch>
http://pastebin.com/mhTkEdvJ >> Why do you have to `open Unix` or ask for `d.Unix.tm_year` to avoid the warning?
<sagotch>
(btw, I already opened a module in this file which explicitly `open Unix`)
<ggole>
open is not recursive
<ggole>
I think the the warning is new, and that the code would not compile in previous versions of OCaml
<sagotch>
ok, but I specified Unix.tm type in function signature
<ggole>
Until very recently, field access was insensitive to type
<ggole>
So you had to either open the module or qualify the name.
<sagotch>
hum... did not know that
<sagotch>
thank you
<sagotch>
but what does `d.Unix.tm_year` means?
<flux>
the module Unix defines record tm that has field tm_year, and d has type Unix.tm
<flux>
actually, ocaml 4.x brings a feature that allows to elide that .Unix from that expression
<flux>
though it is considered fragile, so you probably want to disable the associated warning 40 if you are going to use it
<flux>
(I'm testing the feature on a couple small projects of mine ;))
<flux>
so to answer you question: it returns the tm_year field of the value d :)
<ggole>
sagotch: that's the qualification that allows you to use several modules which define records using the same field names
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<flux>
btw, the feature I mentioned probably requires that the compiler already knows the type of d
<ggole>
Basically it's there because type inference isn't precise enough.
<flux>
type inference works like this: it sees you have expression d.Unix.tm_year, ok, so d's type must be Unix.tm
<flux>
unless it (in 4.x) happens to already know that d is Unix.tm (for example, you have defined that d is a parameter of that type)
<flux>
in that case it can realize that ok d.tm_year, well d is Unix.tm so the field comes from there as well
<flux>
AFAIK the compiler does not try to search all available modules for records with field tm_year
<flux>
nor can a value be polymorphic so that it could have tm_year field of module A or B depending on how the function is called
<sagotch>
I understand that, but why isn't `let string_of_date (d : Unix.tm) : string ` enough to infer type? (for what I understood, old compiler where unable to avoid the `.Unix`)
<li6>
but… but…
<li6>
ÇA NE FAIT PAS SENS
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<flux>
it is enough to infer type in current ocaml versions
<ggole>
It is enough to infer the type of d
<ggole>
But in previous OCaml versions, field access was not sensitive to type.
<sagotch>
you mean there was no way to tell the compiler which type it was?
<flux>
it was possible to tell the type of 'd'
<flux>
but it was not used for finding out what fields it has
<flux>
when a record field was being accessed in format x.y, the record with field y must have existed in current scope
<flux>
so nowadays this works: let f (d : Unix.tm) = d.tm_year - earlier it did not work
<sagotch>
I see
<sagotch>
thanks again
<gasche>
(to sum up: record fields live in a precise scope, unless you disable this warning and they become attached to their types)
<flux>
in some cases, though, you might be happy if your type-inferred code actually read foo.ModuleName.bar
<flux>
because in that case you, the person reading the code, can easily infer the type in your head
<flux>
but I suppose in many cases it doesn't matter, especially if you are already familiar with the code base, or you have tools such as Merlin available
<flux>
actually probably normal ocaml mode is able to tell the type of 'd' precisely in that case..
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<gasche>
rks_: I don't really know, I'll try to answer by the end of the week
<gasche>
installing merlin through OPAM means that I never quite know which version I'm using, as it depends on which switch was enabled when emacs started
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<troydm>
can i get a value out of option without using match expression
<troydm>
is there a function that extracts value from option?
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<kaustuv>
Option.get in batteries
<kaustuv>
nothing in the standard library as far as I know
<kaustuv>
My recommendation would be not to avoid match though. It forces you to think about failure conditions and makes your code more robust.
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<troydm>
kaustuv: k, thx
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<rks_>
gasche: ok, thanks!
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<nlucaroni>
+1 bitbckt. i'd do that troydm. or append each with a type description (_float/_int). or figure out how to make it polymorphic if possible.
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<troydm>
nlucaroni: ic
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<travisby>
Hi guys. I'm new to ocaml, coming from a little of a haskell background. Is there a way to clean up my simple tokenizer implementation (the part at line 47). In Haskell, I would have used guards. Is there a better way than nested if-else blocks in vanilla ocaml? http://pastebin.com/AYuGFaR7
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<travisby>
I figured ocaml would be fun to learn for my compilers class this semester ^.^
<nlucaroni>
there are guards in ocaml: | str when Str.string_match id_regex str 0 ->
<travisby>
nlucaroni: thanks! A quick google had showed me an extension library. Glad to see there was something builtin
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<seliopou>
Has anybody used thrift with an jane street's async as is? Seems like they're a bit incompatible...
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<orbitz>
seliopou: i have not, does thrift have its own event loop/blocking?
<seliopou>
orbitz: yeah, a while loop :P
<seliopou>
I think they're fundamentally incompatible
<seliopou>
but just wanted to see if anybody would contradict that
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<orbitz>
seliopou: what's the while loop looping on?
<seliopou>
orbitz: true
<orbitz>
how is it getting input?
<seliopou>
ah i see what you're asking
<seliopou>
blocking on accept
<orbitz>
that's wkward
<seliopou>
yeah i don't think there's a way for the scheduler to actually maintain control there
<orbitz>
is that the rpc layer? my protobufs implemenation lets the user figure out how to get the bytes and just handles parsing them
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<orbitz>
seliopou: there aren't functions for just doing the parsing?
<seliopou>
orbitz: yeah I think I'm going to create an async submodule and just implement it myself
<seliopou>
sending the result upstream once it works
<orbitz>
why does thrift even have to care about the socket layer?
<orbitz>
how do you write thrift stuff to files, for example?
<seliopou>
orbitz: thrift was originally conceived as an rpc layer, not just a serialization library
<orbitz>
sure, but rpc is built on top of serialziatio
<orbitz>
so you can't just access teh serialization?
<seliopou>
so you write down what a service looks like in an IDL, and it handles the serialization, protocol, generates client library, and stub server code
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<seliopou>
the point is that it was intended as an end-to-end, out of the box solution to writing services using custom rpc interface
<seliopou>
that's the historical story
<seliopou>
not saying it's right or wrong
<seliopou>
but it's what they made
<orbitz>
yeah i get you, i'm just asking if they expose the underlying layers
<seliopou>
now of course under the hood, there are different modules for all of this
<lilred>
Anyone here using OMake? The documentation isn't very clear about what I should do if my project includes multiple executables, and sometimes I only want to build one or a few
<seliopou>
or rather classes
<seliopou>
and those classes can't be polymorphic
<seliopou>
so you can't just write a Async-based Transport and throw it in there
<seliopou>
you have to write an Async-based transport and everything above it in the stack
<seliopou>
sad
<seliopou>
:/
<seliopou>
meh, this might be more trouble than it's worth
<seliopou>
orbitz you use protobufs?
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<orbitz>
seliopou: not for anything serious, but yes
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<orbitz>
seliopou: my protobuf library is in opam if you want to use it. i plan on doing some fixing up this weekend though, there are some bugs i think. i want to add some prop testing
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