alyssa changed the topic of #panfrost to: Panfrost - FLOSS Mali Midgard & Bifrost - Logs https://freenode.irclog.whitequark.org/panfrost - <daniels> avoiding X is a huge feature
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<alyssa> cphealy: No(t yet)
<alyssa> Shouldn't be terribly hard to support but priority 0 right now because I don't think anything in the linuxsphere even uses yuv rts
<cphealy> ha, yea, I kind of guessed that. Also, it doesn't seem that there is much/any support in Mesa today for YUV render targets.
<macc24> yuv yuv... yuv..... emulation?
<macc24> i think ntsc ran on this
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<alyssa> cphealy: That might be a bigger problem
<alyssa> macc24: Colour space used for videos/televisions
<alyssa> Intensity (Y) and two chroma/colour (UV) channels.
<alyssa> (As an alternative to RGB)
<cphealy> Yea, video decoders put out YUV in various storage formats.
<cphealy> YUYV, NV12, I420 for interleaved, semi-planar, and fully planar.
<alyssa> *luma, I guess
<alyssa> what does YUV stand for anyay
<alyssa> "As for etymology, Y, Y′, U, and V are not abbreviations. The use of the letter Y for luminance can be traced back to the choice of XYZ primaries. This lends itself naturally to the usage of the same letter in luma (Y′), which approximates a perceptually uniform correlate of luminance. Likewise, U and V were chosen to differentiate the U and V axes from those in other spaces, such as the x and y
<alyssa> chromaticity space. See the equations below or compare the historical development of the math."
<alyssa> ......Fair enough
<cphealy> Of note, a YUV pixel in NV12 format is 12 bits.
<cphealy> That's 1/2 that of RGB with the same basic color depth, IIRC.
<cphealy> Theoretically, if one wanted to reduce their render buffer size and they didn't need an alpha channel, they could render to a NV12 YUV render buffer at 1/2 the size of an RGB88 buffer.
<cphealy> I'm sure the devil's in the details though.
<cphealy> I believe YUV takes advantage of the constraints of human visual perception and reduces data in areas that our eyes can't easily identify.
<alyssa> Yes, but I would argue that's a side effect.
<alyssa> Although it's a useful one exploited mercilessly in video codecs.
<cphealy> agreed
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<cphealy> Speaking of color, funny thing I learned recently is that most of the time objects either absorb or reflect light at the same wavelength. Flourescence is a property of some atoms/molecules to absorb light of one wavelength and emit light with a lower wavelength. We see this in the wild when looking at a white T-Shirt under a UV light that has been washed with whitening detergent as it has fluorescent dies
<cphealy> in it. We can't see in the UV spectrum, but the florescent dye converts from the UV spectrum to the visible spectrum. Not very useful but somewhat interesting.
<alyssa> I like the visible spectrum.
<cphealy> Owls can see IR too... ;-)
<cphealy> OK, I'm all out of useless facts for today!
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