<xakh> ooh, good to hear
<xakh> sorry, had a phone call
<urandom_> no problem, have to get some slepp now anyway
<rejon> word
<Textmode> still building ;_;
<pitanga> Hi! I just flashed the most recent version of openwrt to my ben nanonote. Gmenu seems cool... but how do i f%#$ing _click_ lol?
<Textmode> pitanga: szdx are mapped to the face buttons gmenu wants.
<Textmode> pitanga: q and r are mapped to the shoulder buttons.
<Textmode> pitanga: I believe enter and tab are start and select.
<pitanga> Textmode: thanks!
<Textmode> pitanga: note, thats because gmenu has been remapped, if you play a genuine dingux binary...
<xdpirate> kyak, thanks for the build last night, but I was away from the keyboard and now the link doesn't work :P
<xdpirate> Any one else caught the ne build? =)
<xakh> wait how new is the new build?
<xdpirate> xakh, a build of ne (nice editor)
<xakh> ohhh
<kyak> xdpirate: you here?
<xdpirate> kyak, yeah :D
<kyak> please check again :)
<kyak> xdpirate: sorry, my internet was broken
<kyak> you can try now
<xdpirate> kyak, thanks, works :)
<kyak> good :) i'm wrapping it now into Makefile
<xdpirate> i'm out for now, cya
<tuxbrain> rafa: also need the following packages python-gtk2 , and I don't know what package/s that provides re.py, sre_compile.py ,sre_constants.py ,sre_parse.py
<tuxbrain> I think this will enable a lot of phytons gtk apps out there.
<xakh> Tuxbrain: I never could get leafpad ported over, you think you can handle it for me?
<tuxbrain> xakh: no promises, I hope any of the happy compilers here can be quicker than I, btw what was the problems you have found
<xakh> I have no idea. ._.
<xakh> I can't figure out head or tail of the whole thing.
<xakh> the two things I wanna get working on it are leafpad and netsurf though
<calamarz> has someone seen scummvm working on NN?
<kyak> tuxbrain: http://bas.ath.cx:81/Makefile_ne <- a recipy for ne :)
<kyak> tuxbrain: http://bas.ath.cx:81/ne_2.1-1_xburst.ipk <- and a package
<tuxbrain> calamarz: I think zear have make it working , just using the dingux one, rafa the scummvm on the Jlime repos complains about "WARNING: SDL_SetVideoMode says we can't switch to that mode (No video mode large enough for 640x400)!"
<tuxbrain> calamarz:on openwrt
<tuxbrain> kyak wonderfull :) I'm drafting a community news on the nanohacks forum, this is one more item :)
<kyak> tuxbrain: good! it would be nice to put the Makefile somewhere else, because my Internet sucks these days
<kyak> xdpirate: hi! would you mind to test the ne package?
<tuxbrain> kyak:http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/mutroxports/editors/ne/Makefile
<kyak> tuxbrain: beautiful, thanks! :)
<tuxbrain> kyak:http://www.tuxbrain.org/downloads/nanonote/packages/ne_2.1-1_xburst.ipk
<kyak> xdpirate: the last link is for you to test :)
<xdpirate> kyak, sure i'll give it a go
<calamarz> tuxbrain: yep, the deb complains about the same thing... i was looking in the sources and don't know why, but is seems to be initializing video to 2x by default :/
<tuxbrain> well the good news is is simplier to change 2x->1x than 1x->1/2x :P
<xdpirate> kyak, it doesn't work, i think it needs to be ported properly, ncurses basically isn't doing it's job, interface looks mangled and moves around =/
<kyak> xdpirate: hm, okay.. i'm flashing my Ben now to check it
<xdpirate> kyak, mkay :P
<kyak> xdpirate: has the first version (the one compiled "by hands") worked fine?
<xdpirate> it had the same problems
<xdpirate> tho i didn't notice it straight away
<kyak> ok, i have some thoughts, need to check it
<kyak> xdpirate: btw, as a quick fix, ctrl+L "unmangles" the interface :)
<kyak> xdpirate: another quick fix is to run it in "screen" with "ne --no-ansi"
<xdpirate> kyak, run it in "screen"?
<kyak> just run "screen" before running ne
<xdpirate> hm ok
<xdpirate> i'll test
<tuxbrain> :) :) :) scummvm started on jlime :) :) :) (so I supose in debian also)
<tuxbrain> scummvm -g1x
<tuxbrain> calamarz: man we need that keybmouse working....
<xdpirate> should be able to enable/disable it with a keycombo tho
<xdpirate> so you can actually use the arrow keys whilst it's running
<tuxbrain> or use red arrow+arrow keys to mouse function
<tuxbrain> also red arrow+enter to click
<tuxbrain> and red arrow+qi key to right click
<xdpirate> qi key returns 0 so it might not be usable tbh
<xdpirate> the power-key returns 0 aswell
<xdpirate> it's a null key =(
<xdpirate> M and = would work
<xdpirate> you have a mini-mouse
<xdpirate> cos M and = are straight above the arrows :P
<xdpirate> M left and = right :D
<tuxbrain> damn it, so red arrow +M=>
<kyak> xdpirate: i just copied the /etc/termcap from my desktop to Ben and ne interface is ok! you should still run it with --no-ansi, or wait a bit for an updated version.. I think ne should be made dependant on termcap database. But there is no such package, so I'll have to create it
<tuxbrain> I prefere to asing keys without already red arrow key correspondence
<xdpirate> kyak, yeah it works perfectly with --no-ansi
<xdpirate> made a few screenshots
<kyak> xdpirate: even without a /etc/termcap? or you run it in screen?
<xdpirate> in screen
<xdpirate> anyone got an ftp server working? easier to transmit files
<kyak> xdpirate: damn :) the syntax highlighting is broken with --no-ansi!
<calamarz> tuxbrain: yep, it does :) I guess I won't have much time until next weekend... the only thing needed to have keymouse working is to compile uinput kernel module
<xdpirate> kyak, aw :( x]
<tuxbrain> you already have a Makefile for keymouse?
<calamarz> just compiled keymouse in debian with autotools
<zear> tuxbrain, try dingoo's scummvm port
<zear> works on the nanonote and has mouse emulation
<calamarz> zear: that sounds great :)
<kyak> xdpirate: lol :)
<xdpirate> ;D
<xdpirate> zear, which of the scummvm versions? the static build or the newer dynamic one? the static build (older, but works best on my dingoo) fails, will just lock up after a while
<zear> xdpirate, doesn't matter once you copy the dingux libs
<zear> oh? well, i never played it for a longer time
<zear> just for a minute to check if it works
<xdpirate> zear, which dingux libs? i copied sdlmixer and libmad, i tried copying over other sdl libs earlier but sdl stopped working and i had to reflash
<tuxbrain> zear: I'm using jlime , and if we succed in port the keymouse then any aplication can use mouse without mouse emulation... better said, mouse emulation will be embedded on system
<zear> xdpirate, whatever scummvm crashes on ;)
<xdpirate> it loads and seems to be working fine but decides to be a whore when i press a key lol
<xdpirate> zear, i'm using this: http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,20,100
<xdpirate> there's also this available: http://dl.openhandhelds.org/cgi-bin/dingoo.cgi?0,0,0,0,20,276
<xdpirate> yup, just tested, stops working on any keypress
<xdpirate> i'll try the other one tho
<xdpirate> Coming soon to a NanoNote near you: BlueCube4D (Tetris-clone) - http://www.qqmore.info/?p=56
<xdpirate> btw kyak i need to run it with both screen and --no-ansi for ne to show up correctly
<kyak> xdpirate: yeah, i know.. but the --no-ansi can be dropped if ne is compiled a bit differently
<kyak> but ok, i'm trying to figure out how to do it without the screen
<kyak> though screen is my preferable terminal
<xdpirate> :P
<xdpirate> zear, neither scummvm build works
<xdpirate> zear, locks up the nn on key press
<xdpirate> I built these two programs for the NanoNote several days ago, but forgot to actually release them
<kyak> xdpirate: could you please check: after starting of ne (not in screen, without --no-ansi), press Ctrl+L. Now the syntax highlighting works and the interface is not mangled
<xdpirate> ok sec
<xdpirate> yup but extras menu will not show completely and will wrap to the left side of the screen
<xdpirate> except for that, everything seems to be in working order
<xdpirate> Btw I thought I'd spam this a little more: We have a discussion forum now, over at Dingoonity, feel free to talk about anything NanoNote related here: http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/
<kyak> well ok, the extras menu won't fit on Ben's screen (both in width and height) - how do you suppose it should be displayed? :)
<xdpirate> I have no idea ;)
<kyak> me too :)
<xdpirate> if possible, just push it to the left so all elements are displayed, doesn't need to be lined up with the toplevel menu item
<xdpirate> dividing it up in submenus could work height-wise
<zear> xdpirate, then don't touch unmapped keys ;P
<zear> just the ones dingoo uses
<xdpirate> zear, ._.
<xdpirate> thing is, they work in scummvm menu
<xdpirate> for entering names of games etc
<xdpirate> but not when running
<xdpirate> that's bad programming too, your program shouldn't lock up if an unknown keycode is entered, it should ignore it =/
<kyak> xdpirate: the conclusion: ne is just not designed for such small terminals :) using it via ssh ok, though
<xdpirate> hehe, true, it works perfectly if you just disregard the extras menu though
<xdpirate> zear, another dingux rerelease for nanonote - http://www.qqmore.info/?p=60 :)
<zear> :D
<zear> that can come in handy sometimes
<xdpirate> yeah adds to the 'pda'-aspect of the nn :P
<xdpirate> I'm going to learn ncurses soon, just cos it's awesome
<xdpirate> maybe create an ncurses shell for dex
<tuxbrain> xdpirate: thanks for the Key codes!!!
<xdpirate> tuxbrain, no problem mate, i thought it'd be very useful and i couldn't find any documentation on them yet :)
<xdpirate> tuxbrain, also added them to the wiki here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Key_codes
<xdpirate> wolfspraul, the qi-logo link when browsing the downloads subdomain has a broken link, it leads to http://downloads.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page, which 404s because it should be http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page :)
<kristianpaul> great cuts
<kristianpaul> ops
<wolfspraul> xdpirate: hey :-) thanks for the heads up
<xdpirate> wolfspraul, nps :P
<wolfspraul> that's a symbol of our (so-far) failed attempt at world domination
<wolfspraul> en. subdomains like wikipedia... :-)
<wolfspraul> I cannot immediately find the root cause, added to my TODO list and will look at it asap
<wolfspraul> anything like this you see, please let me know
<xdpirate> I just released my BlueCube (nice looking tetris-clone) port to NanoNote, check it out here: http://www.qqmore.info/?p=64
<zear> haha, upload it to the wiki :D
<xiangfu> :)
<xdpirate> :P
<xakh> so, JLiMe?
<xakh> in a nutshell, what is it?
<xakh> is it a different distro, like OpenWRT or Debian, or is it an add on to OpenWRT?
<xakh> zear: ping
<zear> xakh, it's a different distro
<xakh> ah, thanks man.
<xakh> is it good?
<zear> has it's roots in jornada 6xx/7xx series devices
<xakh> hm, I've never used any of those.
<zear> well, i only tested it yesterday, but i has a couple thousands of packages already
<xakh> how's it run on the nano?
<zear> including X11
<xakh> wow
<xakh> so, what WM does it have currently?
<zear> whatever you install on it
<zear> it comes with no X11
<xakh> hmm
<zear> you have to download the right packages from opkg yourself
<xakh> ah
<xakh> that means I have to piggyback again?
<zear> i've seen someone running icewm on it
<xakh> nice!
<zear> what you mean by 'piggyback'?
<xakh> usb to eth
<zear> ah, yes you have
<xakh> hm
<zear> there's of course no mouse emulation in X11 yet
<xakh> is there any way I could download them, and just transfer them manually to my microsd card?
<xakh> oh! I have an idea for that!
<zear> yep, you can just download them manually, put them on a card and invoke the right command to install them
<xakh> haha! I was talking about it with someone yesterday!
<xakh> nice.
<xakh> so, I had this idea.
<xakh> what if we treat the cursor buttons like we treat a joystick?
<zear> the 4-way button is not an analog
<xakh> true, but it can behave like one.
<zear> well, not really because it has only two states
<zear> pressed and not pressed
<xakh> true, but if we set one to be mid pressure and the other to be no pressure
<xakh> make it treat it like a faulty joystick
<zear> hmm.. i don't really see it
<xakh> then use the volume buttons (or any other two buttons) to mimic the mouse presses
<xakh> really?
<xakh> I guess joystick was the wrong word
<xakh> we just trick it into thinking that the arrows are a gamepad
<zear> i get your idea, but it's just a way around
<zear> you want it to be: keyboard > joystick > mouse
<zear> and we can just make it keyboard > mouse
<zear> and it will be simpler
<xakh> hm
<xakh> well, I'm just saying, the cursor keys can be made the mouse
<zear> yeah, that's what we plan to do ;)
<xakh> alright, sorry, takes me a while to catch on to the big plans sometimes ;)
<xakh> so I dug through old archives of light window managers
<xakh> and I found this
<urandom_> the NanoNote really needs some kind of a trackpoint, this cursor keys as mouse thing doesnt sound like much fun :(
<xakh> I've used it on a smartphone like that
<xakh> you'd be surprised, it's quite easy
<xakh> the ya will have something a bit better though, eh?
<urandom_> something better?
<xakh> well, the ya, the next version
<xakh> I'd think we could go with a small trackpad, or a ball?
<urandom_> currently it seems like they will keep the current design and just add usb host, more ram and slowfi
<xakh> Bingo!
<xakh> hmm.
<xakh> lol, slowfi?
<xakh> I thought they'd be adding a ball module.
<urandom_> a ball module?
<xakh> yeah
<xakh> like this one
<xakh> like a little piece that'd be our mouse.
<xakh> if not, anyone got ideas on turning that one into a tiny usb mouse?
<urandom_> slowfi is HopeRF module
<xakh> HOLY CRAP.
<zear> it looks pretty well so far
<xakh> that's nothing short of amazing.
<xakh> seriously. bravo guys.
<xakh> hey
<xakh> but if someone can get me instructions for making a super tiny mouse we can attach to the nano
<urandom_> xakh i really hope they will add this trackball to the Ya, would be really importand for me but well they have to keep the price low and all
<xakh> true
<xakh> But!
<xakh> okay, bear with me.
<xakh> what if we just take this breakout
<xakh> and design a tiny mouse, that hooks on to the nano
<xakh> if you guys provide me instructions, I'll be happy to donate a few of them to the project, pro bono
<xakh> so, game of good idea bad idea.
<xakh> what do you guys think?
<urandom_> good idea but how do you want to connect it with the ben?
<xakh> well
<xakh> now that's where my experience with phone hackers comes in handy!
<xakh> gimme just one second.
<xakh> the HTC hero uses a port that's aesthetically different than the one we use
<xakh> but, and I know from experience
<xakh> is fully compatible with our
<xakh> s
<xakh> in other words
<xakh> hacks that have to do with an HTC phone's USB will affect the nano in a similar way.
<xakh> this gives full USB host to a non host port.
<xakh> obviously that's a pretty Q&D way to get it going
<urandom_> omg this is awesome shit
<xakh> but I bet we can put our heads together and make that look nice and tidy
<xakh> when you combine my experience hanging out all day on the net with a problem, chances are I can find something to work with
<xakh> if you get USB host, you're only getting one 2.0 port, obviously, and hubbing it means no power to any of them
<xakh> so ya gotta make it count, eh?
<xakh> I think we should use this as the nano mouse.
<xakh> clickable analog
<xakh> fits better with the power of computing in your thumbs we try for here, eh?
<xakh> oh wait!
<xakh> I found our part.
<xakh> the mouse we need.
<xakh> feast your eyes.
<xakh> well? what do you guys think?
<urandom_> well would be so awesome if this would work out
<xakh> well, in theory, it's all good.
<xakh> all you have to do is hook it up to a USB port, since it has 4 pins, just like USB
<xakh> then you just train X11 to recognize it as a joystick
<xakh> and it'll let you use it as a cursor
<xakh> and if you have host from the adapter, then it's all good!
<xakh> it'll probably be buggy and a bit slow at first
<xakh> but you'll get the hang of it.
<xakh> tuxbrain: ping
<urandom_> shit i have to go now, keep up the got ideas!
<xakh> okay, will do
<tuxbrain> ping
<xakh> fantastic.
<xakh> so I found this hack.
<xakh> the HTC hero and the NanoNote are hardware identical on miniusb.
<xakh> so, the host mode hack worked there, plausible on NN?
<tuxbrain> no, most of movile devices has Usb on the go chip, but only usb gadget on it, the case of HTC hero, but in our case we have a pure usb device chip, so I'm sorry  but no way
<xakh> dang!
<xakh> hm.
<xakh> I was really hoping I'd figured it out.
<tuxbrain> when I mean usb gadget on it I refering to drivers, so is software matter, in our case is totally hardware
<xakh> how about a microsd adapter'?
<xakh> ah
<xakh> well, what of microsd
<xakh> I know there's a wifi card with it
<xakh> well
<xakh> another question
<tuxbrain> in theory posible but you ned to find one vendor doing so, AFAIK I only knew one that  had made something similar but in a Compact Flash  USB host , but I have no see neither a SD version
<xakh> hmm.
<xakh> so!
<xakh> this.
<xakh> light enough for NN?
<tuxbrain> don't know :) have you tried it?
<xakh> I know it'll be pushing it.
<xakh> nope, I haven't gotten enough time to myself with parts enough to make something for a while
<tuxbrain> I think the main issue will be screen resolution
<xakh> definitely.
<xakh> however, I think that with LXDE's small panels, and openbox's tiny decorations
<xakh> it has a chance at becoming something good
<xakh> I also found this
<xakh> took digging to find something this small
<xakh> Anyway, this thing could easily get a leafpad port, right?
<xakh> oh, and I heard something about not reflashing to install jlime?
<tuxbrain> It's only my opinion, but I preffer the tinnier the better , icewm, ratpoison, and another lwm? from jlime era(I dont remember well the name) I think will fit better BNN X.org needs, also we try to tend to do "one thing at time" way of work  do BNN has it's limitations and I thing is better do one thing but at good speed .
<tuxbrain> yes just format the sd, uncompress and go
<xakh> hmm.
<xakh> holy crap.
<xakh> still
<xakh> I love IceWM
<xakh> but LXDE is OpenBox with a panel
<tuxbrain> icewn is out of the box with jlime :)
<xakh> really?!
<xakh> so I can just startx, I don't have to install anything?
<xakh> well, with a bunch of parameters
<xakh> but I mean without mucking about in opkg
<tuxbrain> not
<tuxbrain> not mucking
<xakh> ?
<xakh> oh ok
<xakh> great!
<tuxbrain> the params to start x are in the jlime documetation
<xakh> hmm.
<xakh> need to get an empty microsd card now
<xakh> hmm
<xakh> now I'm worried though, that there won't be a good port of powder
<xakh> (roguelike I play on my nn constantly, totally addicted)
<tuxbrain> if it's already in OE(OpenEmbeded) that is very probable it's a really easy to port to Jlime, rafa are you listening? I'm a powder fan too!!!
<tuxbrain> :)
<xakh> yay!
<xakh> everyone loves powder.
<xakh> Tlosh forever!
<xdpirate> powder on a gba emu :P
<xdpirate> gpSP
<xakh> lol
<xakh> it works!
<xakh> honestly, I don't know why I love it so much
<xakh> just so easy to play
<xakh> not easy to win
<xakh> at all
<xakh> I never make it past level 5, but I still love playing it
<tuxbrain> powder is one of my top five reasons of procrastination
<tuxbrain> :P
<xakh> hell yes.
<tuxbrain> just below this channel :P
<xakh> I have literally dozens of games on my laptop
<tuxbrain> must leave see ya
<xakh> but I only have 3 on the nanonote
<xakh> okay
<xakh> see ya
<rafa> xakh: I think that powder is not in OE repo, so it is not in jlime repo. BUUUT, zear is part of jlime project and I am sure that he will have a powder package for jlime extra-packages soon ;)
<zear> xakh, there's the native powder port for the nn i made ;)
<zear> oh, you already know that, for a second i though you were discussing powder via gba emu ;)
<zear> xakh, get a wand of polymorph, transform to something badass and do a rush on lower levels ;)
<xakh> wand of polymorph is my fav strategy
<zear> :D
<zear> you need to find a ring/amulet of unchanging as well
<zear> and amulet of reflection/mirror shield, then you're immune to directional magic
<zear> and when a monster stands by the wall, if you shoot with the wand of fire, for example, it will bounce off the wall, then your shield/amulet, then again of the wall and so on, striking the enemy several times in one turn
<zear> a deadly strategy
<xakh> indeed
<nebajoth> sup
<sdschulze> OK, I changed some patches in my OpenWRT tree.  Now how do I force it to repatch my kernel?
<larsc> make target/{clean,install}
<sdschulze> Ah, OK, so "target" refers to the kernel?
<larsc> yes
<sdschulze> ok, thanks
<sdschulze> At least it compiles much faster than natively...
<sdschulze> even on my 1.5 GHz i686 machine
<xakh> hey, guys, where do I download the file to put jlime on my nano from SD?
<xakh> zear: ping
<xakh> sweet.
<xakh> you are a king among men.
<zear> not really, but rafa is ;)
<xakh> so, does adduser work on this?
<xakh> and, is SLiM in the repos?
<zear> no idea :D
<xakh> ok
<zear> i just tried jlime yesterday
<xakh> so, can I run this all from SD, like, I partition it, then boot from SD, and it's good to go?
<zear> yes
<zear> that's it
<xakh> fantastic.
<xakh> is there any way you guys can make an ISO?
<zear> no need to put nanonote into usb boot mode, unless your bootloader is so old, it doesn't support booting from sd card
<xakh> okay, cool, I flashed it in early june, so it should be fine right?
<zear> well.. you can't make isos of sd cards because each card has a different size
<xakh> oh yeah
<zear> it's not like cds that have 700MB
<xakh> lol, sorry, not that bright some times.
<zear> ;)
<zear> i think you could do something like that, but if you had a card bigger than the iso, the rest of it would be unused
<xakh> also, is this going to be like a live session, or am I going to be installing this over my onboard memory?
<zear> well, it's nothing like live, because live is meant to run off nand (because cd is read only)
<xakh> sorry, I'm going to be getting on a plane soon so I need to memorize stuff
<zear> jlime runs off sd card, where you can write and read to
<xakh> fantastic.
<zear> so it's a normal linux, just booted from sd
<xakh> you guys are flat out amazing.
<zear> *live is meant to run off ram of course, sorry for that mistake
<xakh> ah
<xakh> again, you guys never cease to amaze.
<xakh> what's the shortcut to boot from SD?
<zear> it puts all the stuff into ram, and that's why live cds are usually slower than linux installed on hdd
<xakh> right, I know, but that's okay
<zear> but jlime is nothing like that, and it even has a 32MB swap disk
<xakh> oh
<xakh> wow.
<xakh> again
<xakh> you guys are awesome
<xakh> so it just runs from the SD like the SD is the hd
<xakh> genius.
<zear> well, actually it can be even 16GB of swap, it's up to you how big you'll make it, but i think 32MB is enough
<xakh> anyway, what's the shortcut to boot from SD?
<zear> [m]+[power]
<xakh> I was thinking I'd make it 128MB, give me some space while not killing my storage
<xakh> perfect!
<xakh> okay, thanks so much guys
<xakh> gotta go
<zear> no prob
<emeb> just tried out jlime on SD - cool stuff.
<emeb> must say that font is tiny (and jaggie due to the TV-style pixels)
<zear> yep
<zear> but check out icewm
<rafa> emeb: if you have network in jlime you can install fbterm :  opkg install http://jlime.com/downloads/repository/extra-packages/nanonote/fbterm_1.6_mipsel.ipk
<rafa> and run it from console with : fbterm.sh
<rafa> you will have a better shell with bigger fonts.
<emeb> rafa: thanks - I'll give it a try.
<calamarz> tuxbrain_away: aaaargh... I was falling again in the tab/spaces trap in this very moments :p
<calamarz> =
<calamarz> (that was a keystroke in the dark XD)
<Necrosporus> Maybe NanoNote still better because of copyleft, command line access and keyboard
<urandom_> concurrent?
<urandom_> Acorp EM501R is not open hardware so not interesting
<urandom_> and i personaly dont like the tablet stuff