<xdpirate>
Btw, emeb|mac and everyone else, this might help when developing in SDL for the NanoNote: http://www.qqmore.info/?p=52
<xiangfu>
xdpirate: yes.
<emeb|mac>
xdpirate: cool
<kyak>
i just do'nt understand.. i have libflac installed, why flac files are not visible in gmu?
<wejp>
kyak, openwrt comes with a very outdated version of libFLAC which isn't supported by Gmu, you need a more recent version of libFLAC and then also need to build the Gmu FLAC decoder plugin
<kyak>
wejp: is there any documentation regarding this?
<wejp>
once the libFLAC of openwrt gets updated, I'll include the flac decoder plugin with the next Gmu release for the NanoNote
<wejp>
documentation regarding what?
<kyak>
how to "build the Gmu FLAC decoder plugin" with a "more recent version of libFLAC"?
<wejp>
on how to build Gmu? yes, there is the BUILD.txt included where I explain how to build Gmu, but of course you need a toolchain for doing that
<wejp>
but i do not explain how to build libFLAC itself
<wejp>
the libFLAC that comes with openwrt is more than 5 years old, by the way
<kyak>
i have the toolchain.. so in the best case i just update the libflac's Makefile to download the recent version?
<kyak>
in the worst case, i'll never get it compiled
<wejp>
yeah, you could try to do it that way
<kyak>
because obviously if it was that easy it would have been done already
<wejp>
once you've successfully built the newer libFLAC you can enable the flac decoder for gmu and compile that
<kyak>
eh..// isn't the libflac.so the required plugin?
<wejp>
compiling libFLAC isn't that difficult. i have no idea why openwrt comes with such an old libFLAC
<wejp>
kyak, yes it is
<wejp>
oh, you mean the one for gmu? it is called flac.so
<kyak>
so once i get the recent version of libflac, i just have to "feed" it to gmu, right?
<wejp>
and is located in Gmu's decoders directory
<wejp>
like the other decoders
<wejp>
you just need to have a recent version of libFLAC and then enable the flac decoder in GMu's configuration
<kyak>
ok, this is what i thought.
<wejp>
check the BUILD.txt for that. i've written that file for a reason
<kyak>
will do, thanks !
<wejp>
that part is really simple
<kyak>
wejp: what kind of format you prefer yourself? ogg?
<wejp>
for portable devices with little space i like ogg very much, but flac is nice too. :)
<kyak>
wonderfull.. {standard input}:209: Error: unrecognized opcode `xorl $16,$16' and 280 lines of patching for old version of libflac
<xdpirate>
are there any recording programs for the nanonote? it's got a mic and all :)
<xdpirate>
nvm, found out i can use arecord
<wolfspraul>
xdpirate: you here? my network is strange, just shoot your question
<wolfspraul>
I'll be back later...
<xdpirate>
Is there a way to kill a hanging SDL application, when switching to another console with Ctrl+Alt+Fx doesn't work, or do I just have to reboot the unit?
<xiangfu>
xdpirate: ssh. if ssh not work, I think have to reboot.
<xdpirate>
xiangfu, mkay, thanks
<xdpirate>
moglenstar/omgmog of #dingoonity just created a sub-forum for us on the Dingoonity Forums!
<xdpirate>
it just instantly closes the telnet connection, saying "login failed"
<xdpirate>
Trying 192.168.254.101...
<xdpirate>
Connected to 192.168.254.101.
<xdpirate>
Escape character is '^]'.
<xdpirate>
Login failed.
<xdpirate>
Connection closed by foreign host.
<xdpirate>
44 people and no one can help? =/
<arctanx>
what's changed since you were getting connection refused?
<arctanx>
you've managed to make something better at least
<xdpirate>
i reset the password
<xdpirate>
still can't ssh or telnet =/
<xdpirate>
did passwd -d root
<xdpirate>
before i set the password in the first place, everything worked fine
<arctanx>
if all the routing tables and interfaces look good, I'd be considering doing a tcpdump -i usb0 on the host PC and seeing what I could see
<xdpirate>
is the password stored in a file somewhere, that i can just delete?
<xdpirate>
or rather, a hash of the password
<shevek>
xdpirate: What does ssh -v say?
<xdpirate>
from host or nanonote?
<shevek>
The way it doesn't work. ;-)
<arctanx>
xdpirate: A hash gets stored in /etc/passwd, naturally
<xdpirate>
it doesn't work neither way
<arctanx>
before a password is set, the hash field is set to !
<shevek>
Sounds like a mismatch in host keys then.  But that doesn't bother telnet...
<xdpirate>
shevek and it says OpenSSH_5.1p1 Debian-6ubuntu2, OpenSSL 0.9.8g 19 Oct 2007
<xdpirate>
(on the host
<shevek>
xdpirate: I mean ssh -v $other_machine_ip
<xdpirate>
oh
<shevek>
It should be more verbose about what it's doing.
<xdpirate>
i'll pastebin it
<shevek>
Ok
<xdpirate>
great, no internet on host now lol
<shevek>
Isn't that the machine you're using for irc?
<xdpirate>
nope
<shevek>
Ok
<xdpirate>
Windows PC and Linux PC
<arctanx>
xdpirate: Try setting the first line of /etc/passwd to this: root:!:root:/root:/bin/ash
<shevek>
Otherwise I was pretty sure you had internet. ;-)
<arctanx>
with a bit of luck that will bring back telnet logon
<xdpirate>
;)
<xdpirate>
arctanx, thanks I'll try
<xdpirate>
sec
<arctanx>
note that setting a root passwd to nothing with the "passwd" command is _not_ the same as the no-password initial config, which is done by the line I just copied to you
<xdpirate>
that could very well be the problem
<shevek>
Actually, you need to remove the second field in /etc/shadow.  The field in /etc/passwd is completely ignored.
<xdpirate>
mkay, it's set, rebooting nn (for good measure ;))
<arctanx>
shevek: What version are you running? I don't have shadow passwords in the most recent openwrt build
<xdpirate>
username vanished, prompt just says @BenNanoNote:/# now :P
<shevek>
But ssh refuses to work without a password.
<xdpirate>
meh i don't care about ssh tbh, as long as i can telnet in i'm content
<shevek>
arctanx: Oh, that's possible, then it should work. ;-)  I have an old prototype and only today started trying to install the qi-hardware image on it.  So far I've only worked on my own kernel.
<arctanx>
xdpirate: For future reference, /etc/passwd is consulted every time it's needed, i.e. no reboot needed :)
<xdpirate>
kk ^^
<xdpirate>
HAH
<xdpirate>
resetting password worked
<xdpirate>
i now got a telnet connection going
<arctanx>
Good
<xdpirate>
makes sweet, sweet love to arctanx's face
<xdpirate>
D:
<arctanx>
...
<arctanx>
back to homework
<shevek>
xdpirate: ssh is nice; it allows you to use sshfs and scp
<xdpirate>
hm about that
<xdpirate>
is there an ftp server available?
<xdpirate>
ftp-ing files would be convenient
<xdpirate>
also, 'root' vanished from console prompt, how do i bring it back? =P
<xdpirate>
nevermind, that's not too important :)
<xdpirate>
thanks alot for the help arctanx and shevek :)
<shevek>
You're welcome.  I'm currently silent because I don't know the answers to your last questions. :-)
<xdpirate>
hehe :P
<xdpirate>
i tried adding another :root: in /etc/passwd (there was another in there from before), but it didn't help
<shevek>
You should have only one line per uid and every name should appear only once.  Removing all the extra versions might get your name back.
<xdpirate>
so "root:!:/root:/bin/ash"?
<shevek>
Eh, do your entries have no numbers in them?
<xdpirate>
the ones below does
<shevek>
I expect something like "root:!:0:0:root:/root:/bin/ash
<shevek>
:
<shevek>
"
<xdpirate>
oh
<shevek>
without the newlines and without the trailing : ;-)
<shevek>
That's what it looks like on my desktop, and AFAIK the format is the same everywhere
<shevek>
But better make it look like other entries in the same file, than entries on some other machine.
<xdpirate>
there we go, works :)
<xdpirate>
thanks mate
<xdpirate>
by the way, can you change the hostname? root@BenNanoNote, i'd like root@awesomebox or something :3
<shevek>
Hostname is set with the "hostname" command, which must be run during the boot sequence.  I don't know have openwrt does it, but Debian gets it from /etc/hostname.  If that exists, changing it (and rebooting) probably works.
<xdpirate>
awesome, thanks again! :D
<shevek>
Otherwise, grep -ir hostname /etc/init.d and read the file which appearantly does the change.
<arctanx>
It's in /etc/config/system
<xdpirate>
ah, there it is
<arctanx>
There's also no hostname command built in
<xdpirate>
/etc/hostname didn't exist :P
<shevek>
arctanx: Oh, how does it set it then?
<arctanx>
Beats me :P
<shevek>
Perhaps it's possible to write it into some proc file...
<xdpirate>
i set my hostname to pussymagnet
<xdpirate>
hells yes
<arctanx>
shevek: Your intuition is correct :) /proc/sys/kernel/hostname
<xdpirate>
pussymagnet is too cheesy
<xdpirate>
help me think of a better name :3
<arctanx>
xdpirate: Ah, sorry, I just realised that I had accidentally deleted the :0:0 in that passwd line, which is why that username disappeared and how shevek fixed you up
<xdpirate>
feel free to use that subforum for anything NN-related, it's the only forum we have D: (omgmog created it earlier today on request from me)
<arctanx>
Has anyone seen this error? Could not initialize SDL: Unable to open mouse
<arctanx>
I'm getting it at the moment from both gmenu2x and gmu
<xdpirate>
arctanx, yes you must export SDL_NOMOUSE=1
<xdpirate>
add it to /etc/profile
<arctanx>
xdpirate: Great stuff, thanks
<xdpirate>
nps
<arctanx>
holy cow it plays music
<xdpirate>
xD
<xdpirate>
add decoder and lib from dingoo version and you have mp3 support
<arctanx>
Thanks but I'm not interested in mp3
<xdpirate>
kk, assumed, seeing as it's the most popular music file format now-a-days :P
<arctanx>
Hmm it not only plays music but also blacks out my screen permanently *scratches head*
<xdpirate>
hm, that's weird, i've never actually tried playing music with it yet
<xdpirate>
just started it and got frustrated at the fact that i couldn't find out how to exit
<xdpirate>
which i later discovered to be alt+enter
<arctanx>
That was using gmu
<arctanx>
For what it's worth, ctrl-alt-f4 enter halt enter got it to shut down cleanly
<arctanx>
And it's back to life once I fire it up again
<xdpirate>
D:
<arctanx>
Far out this thing is potentially quite loud too
<calamarz>
can the usb device be put in host mode?
<xdpirate>
nope
<shevek>
calamarz: No; the chip has pins for usb host mode, but they are not connected to the outside.
<shevek>
calamarz: The next version (Ya) will most likely have a micro-A connector for it (like newer mobile phones do).
<calamarz>
ok
<arctanx>
according to the wiki, the SAKC has the host mode available
<shevek>
That's incorrect, AFAIK.  The SAKC uses the Jz4725, where the host pins are not coming out of the chip.
<xdpirate>
connect the pins to the outside, ????, PROFIT
<shevek>
xdpirate: If only it was so easy.  You would need to remove the chip from the PCB and do things there.  It's glued to it, and it's impossible to put it back and still have it working.  Building a new device (the Ya NanoNote) is the thing to do.  They do hope to make profit with it. ;-)
<xdpirate>
Yeah, I'd buy it if it had a) USB Host and b) built-in wifi :)
<calamarz>
mmm and do you know if it could be possible to have the nn usb in device mode but without draining battery power from host?
<calamarz>
I'm thinking about coupling the ben with a freerunner I have... they seem a good couple
<xdpirate>
don't think you can, it drains even when turned off, so i think that's hardware defined?
<shevek>
calamarz: Hm, I don't know.  The power handling should then be set to not use the usb power...  Not sure if that's possible "normally", but what would certainly work is to create a custom cable with the red wire cut through. ;-)
<xdpirate>
i'm not too big on hardware, software is more my field, so i could be way out, but when the device charges even when shut down, it's generally not a software issue
<xdpirate>
i think they made it that way so you can use a usb to ac wallcharger
<xdpirate>
atleast my wallcharger works great in charging it =)
<shevek>
It's certainly a hardware issue, but there is some logic in the battery controller and I'm not sure what it's capable of.  I don't think it's capable of anything, actually.  I'm still trying to figure out how it is possible that the device knows how much power is left in it.
<shevek>
xdpirate: That, and it saves a plug on the case.  The usb plug was needed anyway.
<xdpirate>
yeah
<calamarz>
hum... now I recall that maybe I can controll it in the host side
<calamarz>
clustering small devices together for some cpu intensive tasks seems something funny :)
<xdpirate>
to anyone that doesn't know about this yet: omgmog of Dingoonity created a forum for us to use, since we didn't have one. This might be good for both the Dingoo scene and NanoNote development, as Dingoo users might get interested in the NN by reading the board, and vice versa, NN developers getting Dingoos. Link: http://boards.dingoonity.org/ben-nanonote/
<wolfspraul>
xdpirate: I doubt it will have wi-fi built in
<wolfspraul>
at least I won't build a device like that, but since we have copyleft hardware maybe others can...
<wolfspraul>
(especially if they think that will make it sell like crazy, he he)
<calamarz>
wolfspraul: why not building wifi buil-in?
<wolfspraul>
proprietary technology, distraction
<wolfspraul>
seems quite a few people like SlowFi instead, our name for the HopeRF modules (ISM RF, 125kbit/s)
<xdpirate>
built in wifi would boost the sales tenfolds, guaranteed, everything is online these days
<wolfspraul>
that is great, then I'm sure someone else will do that
<calamarz>
wolfspraul: never heard about the hopeRF...
<calamarz>
but yes, I see your point
<wolfspraul>
yeah we need to learn more about it, there were quite a few discussions about it on the mailing list already
<wolfspraul>
we are not against wi-fi
<wolfspraul>
we spent a lot of time to get the Spectec SDW-823 to work
<wolfspraul>
we will definitely continue, but I doubt it will be built-in
<wolfspraul>
it will be external, microSD, USB Host, etc.
<wolfspraul>
built-in & integration should focus on free copyleft technology
<calamarz>
I'm a big wifi lover, specially due to some big autonomous wifi communities... but scared about how the 3G pay model has spread making the consumers wanting to be 24/7 connected
<wolfspraul>
oh sure
<wolfspraul>
there was a chance for wi-fi to be truly different, a few years ago
<wolfspraul>
but it's gone
<calamarz>
yep
<wolfspraul>
that was when people were excited about mesh and what not
<wolfspraul>
but it's over
<calamarz>
a friend of mine told me some funny stories about some place on india
<calamarz>
where the "wifi" is a guy in a motorbike that pass around village once in a week, and devices can "send" and "receive" stuff like mail on that ocassion :p
<wolfspraul>
niiiice!
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<wolfspraul>
I like those kinds of things, delay tolerant apps
<wolfspraul>
beautiful
<calamarz>
we're dreaming about trying similar things with some squatted rural communities in the mountains
<calamarz>
proxymity-devices that route packets in a f2f network... cyberpunk indeed :p
<emeb|mac>
wolfspraul: got a link for slowfi? all I find on the goog is music-related
<emeb|mac>
those are cute. Kinda like the TI CC* chips, or the Nordic stuff
<emeb|mac>
Looks like there's lots of activity in that part of the RF space lately
<wolfspraul>
correct, like TI CC and Nordic
<wolfspraul>
emeb|mac: we are still evaluating this, need to make sure you are included so we can get every bit of brainpower on this we can find
<emeb|mac>
sure
<emeb|mac>
I'm looking at some development w/ TI parts right now.
<emeb|mac>
interface is simple - just SPI.
<emeb|mac>
Interfacing on NN is a bit of an issue - not enough uncommitted GPIO.
<emeb|mac>
digging through the wiki last night I believe that I counted only 5 (?) unused GPIO
<emeb|mac>
enough for just one or two SPI devices - might be workable
<emeb|mac>
looks like one would have to do bit-bang SPI though - none of the HW SPI & I2C ports appear available.
<wolfspraul>
think you are right, need to improve this on Ya
<wolfspraul>
calling it a day here...
<emeb|mac>
Would be easy to free up some pins if the kbd scan drive lines were done w/ a simple decoder.
<emeb|mac>
wolfspraul: cool - gn
<wolfspraul>
emeb|mac: your ideas on how to improve the hardware are very much appreciated
<wolfspraul>
when we start working on Ya (the actual kicad files), do you think you can provide input/feedback/review/etc?
<wolfspraul>
that would be EXTREMELY valuable and if we can find actual contributors, we would definitely listen
<emeb|mac>
Sure - I'd be happy to.
<wolfspraul>
wow, great
<emeb|mac>
I do schem. reviews for others all the time.
<wolfspraul>
excellent!
<calamarz>
a bit ashamed of asking this, but... what distance range could these hoperf give?
<wolfspraul>
unclear
<wolfspraul>
depends on power, antenna design
<wolfspraul>
why ashamed? that's a very important question :-)
<emeb|mac>
as iPhone, etc demonstrate it's really dependent on how the antenna is oriented.
<emeb|mac>
doesn't work worth beans if you put it in a metal box. :)
<wolfspraul>
probably transfer speeds go down with distance
<calamarz>
all low-level related seems too arcane to me
<emeb|mac>
everything is low-level eventually... can't ignore it.
<emeb|mac>
(can hope someone else did it right)
<calamarz>
unable to translate specs to real-world measures most of the time :p
<wolfspraul>
emeb|mac: can you shoot me an email at wolfgang@sharism.cc ? I still keep track and follow up on some things by mail, sometimes loose track in irc...
<emeb|mac>
wolfspraul: yep - email is good for low bw stuff.
<wolfspraul>
calamarz: it will take time to really measure this
<wolfspraul>
it depends on a lot of things
<emeb|mac>
has RF equipment
<emeb|mac>
spectrum analyzer, siggen, etc.
<emeb|mac>
wolfspraul: email sent
<wolfspraul>
thx
<wolfspraul>
calamarz: to give you an idea, many car key openers use similar technology
<wolfspraul>
of course they need to transfer very little data, and also they probably reduce the range because you wouldn't want to accidentally open your car from 100m distance
<wolfspraul>
so together with lower power consumption they probably fine-tune it to work over about 20-30m, I'd say that's what I think most car keys can do?
<wolfspraul>
but if you design for distance, don't mind the power consumption, and design a good antenna, you can probably reach several hundred meters without obstacles
<wolfspraul>
so whatever, it will be anywhere from 10m to >100m I'd say. let's see what reality shows...
<emeb|mac>
that's about right.
<qwebirc37100>
Hi, where can i find the cad files for the nanonote?
<xdpirate>
cad files? care to elaborate?
<emeb|mac>
wolfspraul: it's unclear to me from the wiki - are the unused JZ pins bonded (ones marked as X or NC on schematic), or not even brought to the PCB?
<wolfspraul>
qwebirc37100: no cad files
<wolfspraul>
one of the areas that awaits being freed :-)
<wolfspraul>
emeb|mac: probably not brought to the PCB, I think one page lists all test points, i.e. everything that is at least brought to the PCB
<wolfspraul>
xdpirate: it would be cool if we had some 3D files of the case published
<emeb|mac>
wolfspraul: OK - I think I saw that page too.
<wolfspraul>
but unfortunately all those tools are proprietary, so we are not sure how to continue
<xdpirate>
ah
<xdpirate>
yeah
<wolfspraul>
NURBS, HeeksCAD, it's all not really usable for production
<wolfspraul>
we could do 3D scans and publish STEP files, or even proprietary Pro/E files, but then what? what would people do with them?
<wolfspraul>
so for now, there is just nothing :-)
<wolfspraul>
most valuable thing I want to free up next is production testing software
<wolfspraul>
the guys from Elphel showed me some pretty cool things, they are the only serious copyleft hardware company I know with GPL'ed production testing software
<mobilelocked>
hey does anyone know how to unlock a samsung b3410 i dont know what lock it has my kid changed the password now i cant see my music messages contacts ect it says phone password and i dont know it
<wolfspraul>
they basically run a HTTP server and PHP on their camera, and then script it like that from the host
<wolfspraul>
that looks like a cool and flexible testing system to me, so maybe we can try it that way for the Ya...
<wolfspraul>
out now guys, cya
<emeb|mac>
l8r
<mobilelocked>
l8ers
<mobilelocked>
any 1 know how to solve it pls?
<qwebirc37100>
so how is nanonote open if the plans are not available?
<emeb|mac>
schematics are open
<emeb|mac>
software is open
<emeb|mac>
what do you want to do w/ the plans?
<xdpirate>
mobilelocked, this is a channel about the Ben NanoNote mini-computer. by the way, most default phone passwords are 1234 of 0000, but that's all the help i can provide
<qwebirc37100>
im working on an open device my self and i wanted to know how the plans were put together to be sent to the manufacturer
<xdpirate>
or*
<calamarz>
wolfspraul: sounds really nice :)
<xdpirate>
calamarz, wolfspraul has left the channel :P
<calamarz>
hehe
<mobilelocked>
sorry i just searched google for harware help chat and got this the default for samsung is 0000 u are right but my kid has changed the password ive tried google :(
<emeb|mac>
qwebirc37100: ah - looking for design flow ideas
<qwebirc37100>
i looked at the pandora device and they talk about how they got there device manufactured in china but no one seems to be releaseing the plans
<emeb|mac>
from what I can tell, the mechanical stuff is still very proprietary
<xdpirate>
mobilelocked, you should check at the manufacturers website if there's a way to reset the phone password then (very unlikely for security reasons), and if not, you'll have to take it back to your carrier or the store where you bought it and have them open it for you
<emeb|mac>
every mold shop has their own way of doing things
<qwebirc37100>
are the plans for the nanonote to be released in the future or is this "pretend" open like osx where the guts are open but all the stuf on the outside is as propritary as it gets?
<mobilelocked>
ill take it back to the shop tx m8 bb guys sorry for getting the wrong chat room have fun :)
<xdpirate>
np, hope it works out for you
<emeb|mac>
qwebirc37100: only wolfspraul knows for sure. Sounds like he's trying, but the original design was proprietary and he has to pull it out into the open a step at a time.
<emeb|mac>
qwebirc37100: there's a guy who hangs out on #beagle who seems to know a fair bit about cnc machining, etc. maybe he would have some ideas about the mechanical stuff
<qwebirc37100>
thanks for the tips on where to get help on the hw i guess every one is still trying to make open hw but not compleatly succeding sad.
<qwebirc37100>
has any one seen the cad files for VIA OpenBook i have seen the pictures but not the raw files?
<rafa>
tuxbrain: there is a few more good packages on Jlime repo, so if you have jlime in sd, please remember to do opkg update. Also, there is a new rootfs and kernel with proper configured sound.
<kyak>
sometimes Ben's display just goes black
<kyak>
i can only access via ssh
<kyak>
i'm pressing buttons on Ben but the display is still off
<Textmode>
weird...
<kyak>
well it has happend several times now
<kyak>
what i noticed about Ben is that it is not robust at all
<Textmode>
well, its still a work in progress from the software side.
<kyak>
yes, i really hope it's just the software :)
<kyak>
though i haven't investigated a lot.. but the LCD flickering seems to be from hardware
<kyak>
do you guyes notice the flickering of OpenWrt logo after startup?
<kyak>
it is not seen on the black background
<kyak>
so not visible in console
<Textmode>
yes, I did notice that.
<Textmode>
personally though, I'm more bothered by the fact that its a TV screen, though I suppose you don't have a lot of choices with off the shelf components
<Textmode>
(and custom is a lot more expensive)
<kyak>
yes, we can just say "what did you expect from a 99 $ device?" and live with that.
<Textmode>
they could of taken a mobile phone LCD like the dingoo...but then you'd have to hold it on an angle...
<kyak>
here you are right, the viewing angle is perfect
<kyak>
the material on case is quite strange.. it is greased up very fast
<kyak>
both the keyboard and the case
<kyak>
i had to wash my hands several times :)
<Textmode>
(hot to mention various absurditities wrt the screen buffer, and the fact that you would have to (effectively) update side-to-side...its just unpleasent all round with an Mobile Phone LCD)
<calamarz>
sdl_frontend: ERROR: Could not initialize screen: No video mode large enough for 320x240 <-- gmu compiled in nn debian
<calamarz>
somebody has some hint about what's wrong here ^^ ?
<xdpirate>
i had that error too, had to reflash to fix it =/
<wejp>
looks like there is something wrong with your framebuffer device
<calamarz>
the 320x240 is the correct size, right?
<calamarz>
hmm... fbi seems to be working ok though
<xdpirate>
320x240 is correct yes, i found that when i tried updating sdl libraries on my nanonote, i got those errors
<xdpirate>
and even replacing them with the old ones again didn't fix it =/
<calamarz>
xdpirate: do you know if it has been reported working on debian? or only in openwrt?
<xdpirate>
i have no idea, haven't even tried out debian yet, sorreh
<calamarz>
got it working on debian :)
<calamarz>
it was needed to copy the output of fbset into /etc/fb.modes
<calamarz>
sound not working yet but that's another story :)
<xdpirate>
thanks to arctanx for the location of the hostname, credited you :P
<Textmode>
when building openwrt-xburst, does anyone know what could cause "ERROR: please fix target/linux/mx2/Makefile"? Nothing strikes me as awry about that file, nor are there any other useful messages.
<urandom_>
Textmode dont worry, happens for everyone
<urandom_>
xdpirate nice FAQ
<xdpirate>
urandom_, thanks ^^
<xdpirate>
if anyone know of anything i should add, just let me know
<Textmode>
my build also fails, "make -r world: build failed. please re-run with V=99 to see what's going on.", I assumed it was a result of that last error.
<urandom_>
no it wasnt
<Textmode>
yes, I gathered that :)
<CongoZombie>
yo
<Textmode>
meep!
<CongoZombie>
I don't suppose anyone could advise me how to use the git feature of openwrt to pull down the kernel sources?
<CongoZombie>
I've tried but it doesn't seem to work
<CongoZombie>
and the docs don't seem to shed any light
<Textmode>
CongoZombie: what commands have you tried?
<xdpirate>
Textmode, I can't compile ne/nice editor for mips, do you know of a precompiled version?
<CongoZombie>
textmode: just tried to set it up with menuconfig
<wolfspraul>
kyak: you there?
<wolfspraul>
the flickering is definitely a software bug, I think some fixes got into the new Linux 2.6.34 kernel that will show up in the new OpenWrt image in a few days...
<wolfspraul>
the factory uses proprietary software for production testing, and every LCM is checked. When we showed them our OpenWrt software running once they said with this flickering no single device would pass :-)
<wolfspraul>
it's more pronounced in GUI than in console, like you said. let's see what 2.6.34 brings...
<wolfspraul>
Textmode: you said the LCM is a 'TV screen'? What do you mean with that? first time I hear this term...
<wolfspraul>
the Ben type of LCM is typically found in digital cameras
<urandom_>
wolfspraul should translations in the wiki be written in formal or informal language?
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: hmm
<wolfspraul>
ok let's just think together a little... correct me if you like
<wolfspraul>
the wiki is a copyleft hardware wiki
<wolfspraul>
so in the end it's geared towards knowledge and production of copyleft hardware devices
<wolfspraul>
of course also software running on them, because that is very important also for production (testing)
<wolfspraul>
and for end users, although the focus of the wiki is not to document all free software projects, we can just point to the homepages of those projects
<Textmode>
wolfspraul: a computer screen's pixels are layed out in a grid, a TV screen's pixels are staggered
<wolfspraul>
so the language should (in the long run) encourage others to manufacture this hardware
<Textmode>
wolfspraul: you can see it if you have a magnifying glass (or good eyes)
<wolfspraul>
so I think the language should not be so informal that anybody with some sanity would stay away from this craziness
<wolfspraul>
on the other hand we are a new type of community, so it can be as informal as we still feel comfortable with
<wolfspraul>
got my point?
<Textmode>
(in the CRT era, theres also differences in how the RGB sub-pixels are layed out (in a row on comp screens, and a triangle on TVs), but that doesn't seem to have carried over to LCDs.)
<wolfspraul>
it's not a party, it's still a serious copyleft hardware production effort
<urandom_>
wolfspraul yeah
<wolfspraul>
but then it's a new style factory, for sure. open doors, every question answered, etc.
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: btw, thank you very much for your wiki edits, I said it already the other day.
<wolfspraul>
if you think I should do something, please let me know
<wolfspraul>
Textmode: I was just curious about the term 'TC screen' - is that your invention or a professional term for these pixel layouts?
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: I just planned to add Jon's freedom stack to the homepage, I think it gets the point across quite well
<Textmode>
wolfspraul: probably has some specialised name, I know it as "TV screen layout".
<urandom_>
wolfspraul you also could make a page with style guide and legal stuff like to keep out mp3 from the wiki
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: oh definitely, I planned to do that
<urandom_>
wolfspraul so talking about language is it ok to adress people in german like i would be on first name terms with them since i think we are all a big community and all
<wolfspraul>
totally
<wolfspraul>
my only concern would be if the language gets so funky that someone thinks we are all stoned
<wolfspraul>
because we do want to attract other (small) business to our cause, and really manufacture stuff, etc.
<wolfspraul>
I am just illustrating my thinking, since you do the German translation how you exactly interpret this is very much up to you. I'm glad you bring it up, it's important to get right.
<wolfspraul>
be friendly, attract newcomers
<wolfspraul>
also be respectful to people who have a different point of view
<wolfspraul>
so for German (since I'm German myself): first name definitely good
<urandom_>
ok :)
<Textmode>
poo, looks like theres no one awake in #autotools...
<xiangfu>
:-)
<Textmode>
xiangfu: I don't use it by choice :P
<qwebirc33649>
I am a noob, does anyone know how to boot the gui
<urandom_>
qwebirc33649 what distro and what gui?
<qwebirc33649>
the stock gui openwrt
<qwebirc33649>
I mean the stock distro
<Textmode>
I guess he means the gmenu2x that comes in the latest flash
<urandom_>
so typing gmenu2x should do the job, but you have to have the latest openwrt image
<qwebirc33649>
ok let me try
<Textmode>
it boots by default in the latest image, I found.
<Textmode>
had a hell of a time killing it :)
<urandom_>
yeah it does
<qwebirc33649>
I get the messag /bin/ash: gmenu2x: not found
<urandom_>
have you reflashed your ben?
<qwebirc33649>
no do you have to do this, and why would I have to reflash it
<qwebirc33649>
?
<urandom_>
the image the ben is shipped with is very old and has no gmenu2x