<kyak>
which generally means that the forum software is crap
<kyak>
replacing special characters instead of treating them right from the beginning
<tuxbrain>
awesome kyak!, so if the "oficial" kernel dissables RNDIS by default , the steps to do so will simplify a lot, isn't it?
<kyak>
yes, this is right!
<kyak>
then you only need to install windows driver
<kyak>
the problem is that driver with limitations
<kyak>
but i'm testing it right now :) see what happens after 4 hours
<tuxbrain>
limited connection is better than no connection :P
<kyak>
i'm hoping RNDIS will get fixed once and for all some day
<kyak>
indeed you are right
<Textmode>
...
<Textmode>
"make clean" failed.
<Textmode>
I'm really getting tired of this...
<Textmode>
this is like, day four of me trying to build the openwrt toolchain.
<kyak>
Textmode: what's your distro again?
<Textmode>
ubuntu
<Textmode>
I was gettign somewhere, then the build bmachine completely ran out of space. so I've stuck another HDD in there, and tried to copy the build directory over to that. that failed, and now it seems munged.
<kyak>
if you are sure you have all required tools/libs for build, just do it from scratch
<Textmode>
ergo "make clean"
<Textmode>
but...that failed, so...
<Textmode>
yeah, it seems borked.
<kyak>
remove this god-knows-whats-in-there directory
<Textmode>
which one?
<kyak>
openwrt-xburst
<Textmode>
iow, start over?
<kyak>
"just do it from scratch"
<kyak>
yes, start over :)
<Textmode>
sighs.
<Textmode>
that would mean I have to redownload all that random stuff it wants to download.
<kyak>
or, you could V=99 and dig out the problem
<kyak>
i don't know what's faster
<Textmode>
not that I have much choice, I guess....are you *sure* theres no pre-builts out there?
<Textmode>
the messages from V=99 are chaotic. I'm pretty sure they are "I've fallen and I can't get up" messages.
<kyak>
do you mean precompiled images?
<Textmode>
kyak: I only want the toolchain/libs.
<kyak>
Textmode: you are so wrong... i remember your last error message was very helpful
<Textmode>
I really don't care about the kernel. not at this stage.
<Textmode>
kyak: feel free to try, would you like the message from "make clean", or from "make"?
<kyak>
no, i think you have to compile the toolchain yourself
<Textmode>
kyak: if thats more important, feel to come back to me later. strictly I needed it for...yesterday. the next thing I need to build pre-depends on my work on the love2d base
<tuxbrain>
Textmode: not is not more important really, is better to have another toolchain <->colaborator set up right than a game port
<Textmode>
tuxbrain: are you saying that love2d is more important than scummvm? :P
<tuxbrain>
no , I'm saying that you having a working toolchain is more important than any individual port
<Textmode>
Hmm, I guess thats a decent point.
<kyak>
Textmode: indeed, not very explanatory.. i still sugest that you start from scratch
<Textmode>
not looking foward to re-downloading those files again, since I think I'm near my limit.
<Textmode>
how much space does it need for building?
<freespace>
is it possible to have gcc on the nanonote using openwrt?
<Textmode>
I'd rather no run out of drive space again.
<kyak>
tuxbrain: i'll have a look.. not sure if i could help ):
<Textmode>
basic C shouldn't be too bad, space wise
<kyak>
Textmode: copy your dl'ded files from dl/
<kyak>
then you don't have to re-download
<kyak>
but start over everything else
<Textmode>
that should work.
<tuxbrain>
kyak: don't worry :) I know it's sounds bad but not much high expectations :P
<Textmode>
how much space does it need for building?
<kyak>
my openwrt-xburst directory is 9.0G
<tuxbrain>
mine about 5Gb
<Textmode>
perilously close to the 10GB I allocated for it, maybe I'll expand that to 15
<xdpirate>
kyak, thanks for the ne compile, it's become my primary editor on the NN :)
<kyak>
xdpirate: no problem, but i don't feel satisfied because either syntax hilighting is not working, or terminal is mangled
<xdpirate>
kyak, yeah, I'd love to have C syntax highlightning :P Wonder why it's not working =/
<kyak>
maybe it makes sense to contact the author
<tuxbrain>
it works on my fabourite editor , joe (naaaa na naaa naaaa na) :P
<xdpirate>
:P
<xdpirate>
The only thing I'm missing on my nanonote now is man
<kyak>
btw, ne uses the same files for syntax highlighting as joe
<Textmode>
heh, yeah. it feels weird to have system with no man.
<Textmode>
like...strangely unnatural :P
<xdpirate>
Hehe
<xdpirate>
I just downloaded the source
<xdpirate>
let's see if I can get it compiled
<xdpirate>
meh the makefiles are only for installing on current system, i have no idea what i'm doing
<freespace>
i am going to start using this as a benchmark, much like building the kernel used to be :P
<rafa>
tuxbrain: is not scummvm in jlime feed? :)
<tuxbrain>
yeah but I want it also in the official distro :)
<tuxbrain>
also this way I lean about how openwrt works
<tuxbrain>
lean-> learn
<kyak>
rafa is pushing towards jlime :)
<kyak>
i think i'm gonna try it someday.. after i play with openwrt
<kyak>
well, it looks like i really have to reboot every 4 hours for the CDC/ECM driver for Windows to work :)
<kyak>
even removing/adding the device didn't help
<kyak>
it shows as "the network cable is unplugged"
<kyak>
it's a pity there are no free CDC/ECM drivers for Windows
<kyak>
"With a vendor-supplied INF file, Windows Vista supports USB CDC and USB WMCDC."
<kyak>
hm, i might have better luck in Vista/7.. But what sense does it make if it is Windows XP at work? :)
<rafa>
tuxbrain: ah, yes, that would be really useful (to learn about how openwrt works)
<rafa>
tuxbrain: why nanohacks.org is something (perhaps) no welcome ? :)
<rafa>
kyak: you can try at the same time, because jlime works on SD, no on nand ;)
<tuxbrain>
nanohack are for sure wellcom but not his links
<kyak>
rafa: i have microSD 256 Mb at hand, but no card-reader -\
<kyak>
i guess i could mount it via Ben somehow to my laptop or even format it directly by Ben?
<rafa>
kyak: you could do all the stems from openwrt, yes
<kyak>
cool, will keep it in mind
<freespace>
with reflash, it's ok to let go of usb boot once it's talking to the PC yeah?
<freespace>
oh nvm, the reflash is done - the answer is yes :P
<rafa>
larsc: no luck (about shutdown)... I will try to do a good report to nn devel mailing list, so perhaps more people had the same issue before
<rafa>
larsc: I think that it is not a bug, and that there is something wrong in my environment (bootloader,kernel,rootfs).. but no idea what is the problem. Neither reboot nor poweroff work
<kyak>
tuxbrain: just an idea: add MAKE_FLAGS += VERBOSE_BUILD=yes to your Makefile, this will produce verbose output instead of "C++" or "AR"
<kyak>
at the end, you can see all the objects files passed to mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc-ar
<kyak>
i think the problem is the command line length
<kyak>
it gets truncated and mipsel-ar sees this bogus "e" somewhere
<kyak>
anyway, this is just a guess.. try disabling some features of sumcvmvmv? :)
<kyak>
to reduce the number of objects to archive
<kyak>
burmass!!!
<kyak>
i can't read what i typed
<xdpirate>
<kyak> anyway, this is just a guess.. try disabling some features of sumcvmvmv? :)
<xdpirate>
that's what you typed
<xdpirate>
:P
<xdpirate>
sumcvmvmv
<xdpirate>
:D
<kyak>
xdpirate: yeah, i mean, this burmas guy is flooding so much, i can't distinguish my messages :0
<xdpirate>
yeah he does this like once a day
<xdpirate>
i have no idea why
<kyak>
this is why we need a bot.
<xdpirate>
ffs, someone ban his ass :<
<kyak>
/ignore burmas joins parts quits
<kyak>
Ignoring JOINS PARTS QUITS from burmas
<kyak>
ok, works for me :)
<SiENcE>
hey
<kyak>
hi
<SiENcE>
@zear from dingoonity channel told me, that you are discussing a mouse emulation via uinput
<SiENcE>
anyone interested?
<calamarz>
SiENcE: yes, I've been trying that
<SiENcE>
my app works
<SiENcE>
on dingoo
<SiENcE>
now i have full mouse emulation for all apps
<calamarz>
SiENcE: what's your app?
<SiENcE>
R-shoulder button + DPAD
<SiENcE>
not released yet
<calamarz>
SiENcE: and what are you waiting for? :)
<SiENcE>
mouseclick via R-shoulder+A or R-shoulder+B
<SiENcE>
i did it 5minutes ago
<SiENcE>
zear told me that i should come into this channel
<SiENcE>
just because you are trying the same
<SiENcE>
give me some time
<SiENcE>
i just want to ask how far you are
<calamarz>
i played with keymouse, but didn't have luck configuring the keycodes... that or something in the scummvm (what I was using for testing the mouse) was hijacking the mouse positions
<marcz>
I have mouse emulation thru the wm
<marcz>
I tested successfully with ratpoison
<SiENcE>
i have success with keymouse
<SiENcE>
but on dingoo of couse
<SiENcE>
i dont have a nanonote
<SiENcE>
but should be the same
<marcz>
I also tried AcessX but on kdrive the clik is ok but movement not
<marcz>
But doe you mean mouse under console or X
<marcz>
only tested X
<calamarz>
SiENcE: yes, the keymouse seems to be working. it creates the device, and receives the events...
<calamarz>
marcz: this way it would work also for the terminal and framebuffer
<SiENcE>
yes for all
<SiENcE>
now only a virtual keyboard is needed
<calamarz>
SiENcE: it would be great to test your code
<marcz>
calamaz: Ok it's better to get it everywhere, even If I'm yet happy with mouse under X (kdrive)
<calamarz>
I'm trying the experiment in nn of surviving without X :p
<calamarz>
SiENcE: you know some othere fb app I could test the mouse against?
<SiENcE>
my tinysdgl apps
<marcz>
calamarz: does it work under a simple fbterm?
<SiENcE>
grab it...there are already two compiled apps....the "gears" app works with mouse...you can roll the gears using the mouse
<calamarz>
SiENcE: thanx man... i'll give them a try. Have to go back to work now :(
<calamarz>
marcz: didn't try to get mouse in fbterm
<larsc>
rafa: so you say neither reboot nor poweroff work even when invoked from the console?
<zear>
larsc, yep, that's it
<rafa>
larsc: like zear says :)
<rafa>
larsc: I have tried reboot/poweroff userland using busybox internal commands and sysvinit binary commands.. All of them fails to do the job.. The scripts to shutdown are ran, but there is not reboot nor poweroff
<larsc>
interesting
<larsc>
all I can say at the moment is, that it works fine here and you should not need any special config options for it to work
<kyak>
tuxbrain: got it.. add MAKE_FLAGS += AR="mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc-ar r" to your Makefile, at least objects are added into the archive now :) but there is another error afterwards, related to alsa
<tuxbrain->
calamarz you also need input-core as module
<xdpirate>
tuxbrain, I just got a bill for €50 from TNT
<xdpirate>
I thought I already paid for the shipping
<methril_work>
xdpirate: you have a bill for the import taxes
<xdpirate>
import taxes are €20
<methril_work>
then ask TNT :(
<xdpirate>
€20 is just fine, I expected that. TNT wants €50, something I was never informed of when I ordered, because shipping was already paid at checkout
<methril_work>
usually the bill is for taxes. not for shipping costs
<xdpirate>
Yeah I'm going to call them, they're not getting €50, I never even entered a signed contract with these people, tuxbrain did
<xdpirate>
they even want money for "pre-paying" import taxes
<xdpirate>
without my consent, mind you
<xdpirate>
I feel like never using TNT ever again
<methril_work>
who wants that money? TNT?
<xdpirate>
yup
<methril_work>
it depends on the country
<xdpirate>
<-- norway
<rafa>
larsc: are you talking about 2.6.34 kernel right?
<methril_work>
sometimes TNT is better than UPS
<larsc>
rafa: yes
<xdpirate>
I'm not paying them loads for pre-paying import taxes, which I never agreed to, nor was I informed when I talked to them on the phone
<methril_work>
hi larsc!
<zear>
i had a lot of trouble with TNT when receiving the nanonote
<methril_work>
larsc: i didn´t find the time to get hands on with the kernel ;(
<xdpirate>
They didn't even deliver it personally, they dumped it onto national mail who delivered it 3 days late
<methril_work>
crappy international mail systems!!
<rafa>
larsc: pah.. :(
<xdpirate>
I'll pay TNT back for the import taxes, but that's it, they're not getting their so-called "administration tax" and "prepay provision"
<xdpirate>
That's a load of shit right there, they didn't even inform me when the package was at customs
<rafa>
larsc: I am at this commit :
<calamarz>
tuxbrain-: you have the ipkg link at hand?
<zear>
as for me, first they requested me giving him my tax payer number (i am unemployed so i never had such an id, had to make it just to receive the package), then they wanted me to scan some documents for them (took me a whole day to find someone who had a scaner), just to later request me to send them original papers anyway
<rafa>
larsc: jz-2.6.34 branch
<xdpirate>
oops, accidental ctrl+q
<xdpirate>
I'm sure as hell not using TNT again, that's for sure.
<methril_work>
bbl
<Textmode>
I just noticed its compiling libogg, shouldn't that be libtremor?
<tuxbrain->
Xdpirate i will call my agency tomorrow if you have any paper of them asking for that amount of money send me it too, I can't promise any thing but tomorrow someone will not have friendly call
<xdpirate>
tuxbrain, I was going to rage-call them aswell
<xdpirate>
I'll see if I can borrow a scanner (a la zear style) and scan them into a pdf for you
<xdpirate>
:)
<tuxbrain->
At least you have the nano,isn't it
<wejp>
Textmode, libogg is just the library for the ogg container, while tremor is an fixed-point vorbis decoder library
<Textmode>
Hmm.
<Textmode>
I guess that makes sense.
<wejp>
there is also libvorbis which is a floating point vorbis decoder lib
<tuxbrain->
The makefiles in downloads/nanonote/mutroxports
<tuxbrain->
Not in openwrt yet but debian calamarz has made some progress, I'm on it surely is matter to recompile the kernel
<xdpirate>
ok nice
<arctanx>
xiangfu: Thanks very much for bug-hunting the spaces issue in xburst-tools, by the way. :) you got it really quickly
<xiangfu>
arctanx: :-)
<tuxbrain->
xiangfu have you any clue of what can be happening with the scummvm port...
<xiangfu>
tuxbrain: Hi. I am look into the 'configure' now.
<xiangfu>
tuxbrain: I think we can add 'nanonote' to scummvm
<xiangfu>
tuxbrain: now I am try to create a patch.
<tuxbrain->
you have no problem whith the ar part (sorry no interrogation mark)
<xiangfu>
tuxbrain: the 'ar' don't have any parameters.
<tuxbrain->
iknow thats the strange part
<tuxbrain->
well whatever a nanonote rule to config is a cool thing
<xiangfu>
tuxbrain: I have a workaround method: add 'cru' to the rules.mk line 73 :-).
<xiangfu>
I think the openwrt's AR rewrite the scummvm's ar. so when we try to create .a file. there is only 'mipsel-openwrt-linux-ar' , don't have any parameters.
<kyak>
tuxbrain-: add MAKE_FLAGS += AR="mipsel-openwrt-linux-uclibc-ar r" to your Makefile
<kyak>
(I mentioned that above)
<rafa>
wolfspraul: who is the colombia distributor?
<kristianpaul>
hello
<rafa>
kristianpaul: you?
<rafa>
:)
<kristianpaul>
if nothing goes wrong, yes
<kristianpaul>
the idea is distribute nanonote
<kristianpaul>
as tuxbrain- :)
<wolfspraul>
also Tuxbrain?
<wolfspraul>
wow
<wolfspraul>
Tuxbrain is really going global
<rafa>
kristianpaul: are you from colombia??! I was thinking that you are from Brasil :D
<wolfspraul>
Tuxbrain Brazil, Argentina, and now Colombia?
<kristianpaul>
sorry i dint want meant that wolfspraul
<kristianpaul>
rafa: well not Brasil, but you were close
<rafa>
wolfspraul: tuxbrain- wants to dominate all of us, and he started to do that using hardware. I am sure
<kristianpaul>
i meant i like sell other copyleft hardware stuff to as tuxbrain- does
<rafa>
kristianpaul: :)
<rafa>
kristianpaul: do you have a web page?
<rafa>
as distributor
<kristianpaul>
not yet
<kristianpaul>
is planned
<kristianpaul>
but first i need gert the nanonotes ;)
<kristianpaul>
s/gerts/get
<rafa>
;-)
<tuxbrain->
kristianpaul congrats!!!!!
<rafa>
kristianpaul: are you talking about your ideas in some LUGs?
<rafa>
(in colombia)
<kristianpaul>
i'll do as soon have the stuff
<kristianpaul>
but in a non formal way
<kristianpaul>
i had told to some guys
<kristianpaul>
from LUGs
<kristianpaul>
rafa: are you related to colombia in some wayt, btw?
<tuxbrain->
kiak xiangfu thanks a lot i will try when I arrive at home
<rafa>
kristianpaul: no, I am from Argentina. But, yes, we are no so far ;)
<kristianpaul>
:)
<kristianpaul>
wolfspraul: i guess is too soon for asking prices for MM1 isnt :
<xiangfu>
kyak: yes. I just don't understand why openwrt rewirte scummvm's variable. this variable already in 'config.mk': line 9
<kristianpaul>
rafa: how many nanos are in argentina now?
<kristianpaul>
are you planning get more?
<zear>
oh and yeah, tuxbrain, any people from Poland who bought their nn from you?
<wolfspraul>
kristianpaul: it's too early
<wolfspraul>
please be patient
<wolfspraul>
I can only tell you I see myself, and every hardware business, as being in the business of driving prices down.
<wolfspraul>
I don't believe in luxury technology, I think that's utter nonsense.
<wolfspraul>
so my goal is 19 USD or whatever :-)
<wolfspraul>
but that's for a day when we are a multi-billion USD company, if ever
<wolfspraul>
so 'driving down' may well mean that we have to start a bit higher, otherwise launching it just becomes totally crazy with no money and no feedback from customers
<kristianpaul>
okay
<wolfspraul>
it will be expensive at the beginning
<wolfspraul>
not 99 USD, no way
<wolfspraul>
impossible
<kristianpaul>
i know
<wolfspraul>
but really let's wait a little with this
<kristianpaul>
sure sure
<kristianpaul>
i the mean while i just planning get this week the 49usd avnet board finally :)
<wolfspraul>
there you go :-)
<kristianpaul>
warming up to to pay more taxes and duties :/
<wolfspraul>
I believe it has a 2.6.34 kernel, for one
<kristianpaul>
and TP4/TP5 serial as default?
<kristianpaul>
uboot^
<xdpirate>
nice
<kristianpaul>
ahh wait is just openwrt
<xdpirate>
I'll wait for a changelog before i reflash
<kristianpaul>
mee too
<xdpirate>
reinstalling packages is a hassle :P
<wolfspraul>
yeah we should make updates from one openwrt release to another possible via opkg
<wolfspraul>
maybe that is already the case actually, dont' know
<kristianpaul>
but even openqrt flash the whole thing
<wolfspraul>
not sure about u-boot though, whether we should leave that alone or also update
<kristianpaul>
i think reflash is not bad to emdebbed stuff just making sure all personal info is keep safe
<kristianpaul>
s/openqrt/openwrt
<wolfspraul>
the easier updating software is, the more successful our project will be
<kristianpaul>
reflash
<wolfspraul>
for now I think we are 10% into how easy it could be, in many different scenarios
<wolfspraul>
sure reflash is one option, there should be others, and all of them should be easy and safe. we get there.
<kristianpaul>
i did with my wrt54gl last two openwrt releases an all went ok
<kyak>
wolfspraul: hm, it's strange that git's kernel is still 2.6.32, when an image with 2.6.34 was just released?
<kyak>
i mean, openwrt-xburst git repo
<kristianpaul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
maybe the image is built from upstream
<wolfspraul>
the way they are handling is is that they are committing everything that is upstream-ready into upstream right away
<wolfspraul>
or maybe the new release still has 2.6.32, I haven't checked yet
<kristianpaul>
i hope it include some ogg samples
<kristianpaul>
and the picture viewver :)
<rafa>
wolfspraul: I tried to have a kernel with a initramfs inside, so you boot that kernel as default. Then the little system inside should show you a boot menu (to choose from which partition to boot, using kexec) and an option to install a rootfs on nand or SD via usb/ssh/ftp whatever.
<rafa>
wolfspraul: but I failed in my tests with current bootloaders and spaces
<kristianpaul>
i relly need it wokring with gmenu
<rafa>
wolfspraul: so the idea is to have always the same kernel there on nand, with the mini system to boot or to update the rootfs
<rafa>
wolfspraul: my idea was do not use usboot, or sd card reader anymore. I want to upgrade my machine from some default system inside.
<kyak>
wolfspraul: accordinf to BUILD_LOG, it's still 2.6.32
<wolfspraul>
he oh well :-)
<wolfspraul>
sorry I sent out wrong info then here
<wolfspraul>
Mirko Vogt should announce what is new in this image, I'm sure he will
<wolfspraul>
I need to reflash my Nano, but too tired now...
<wolfspraul>
'night
<kristianpaul>
nite
<xiangfu>
kristianpaul: the TP4/TP5 enable in new release.
<kristianpaul>
wee :)
<kristianpaul>
xiangfu: there are also some GPIO pins next to TP4/5 i think TP35/36 not sure
<kristianpaul>
to access
<xiangfu>
I am thinking do we need build the sound as module?
<kristianpaul>
please :)
<kristianpaul>
gpio could be a module too?
<kristianpaul>
as mmc in openwrt isnt?
<xiangfu>
kristianpaul: yes. I think so.
<rafa>
xiangfu: there is some weird stuff in sound code I think. I use 2.6.34. I have used the sound as part of the kernel, no as module. Sometimes it worked and sometimes no.
<rafa>
xiangfu: No idea why, because I was working in other kind of stuff
<rafa>
xiangfu: but I am sure that it is a kernel problem, because dmesg showed (sometimes) Alsa sound card: ... (empty)
<rafa>
and sometimes it showed the proper name of the alsa kernel driver
<kristianpaul>
i remenber my nano rebooted some times when doing alsamixer, i dont know if is related to this?
<xiangfu>
rafa: don't know why. sorry.
<rafa>
xiangfu: no problem, no rush. I am trying to realize why my machine does not poweroff ;)
<kyak>
this was my first guess, btw, but i must have mistyped
<rafa>
BTW, is is ultra beta version.. it is not stable, no easy for end users. IT is just our first cool image to install software from repositories.. you will have lot of fun with opkg ;)
<rafa>
if you followed the instructions you did :D
<kyak>
i have the swap partition, indeed
<kyak>
but it's not mounted
<rafa>
did you do mkswap from openwrt?
<rafa>
is it the 3rt partition?
<rafa>
you can check if you have swap turned on doing free
<kyak>
Swap:Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â 0
<kyak>
i did mkswap
<kyak>
root@BenNanoNote:~# mkswap  /dev/mmcblk0p3
<kyak>
Setting up swapspace version 1, size = 32960512 bytes
<kyak>
UUID=7ff7e0b2-2145-4189-8493-aede218ed44e
<kyak>
here :)
<rafa>
now swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3
<kyak>
good, thanks!
<kyak>
prboom: no video mode large enough for 640x480
<kyak>
damn , this is almost unreadable
<kyak>
rafa: how should i start prboom?
<zear>
kyak, ~/.prboom/prboom.cfg
<rafa>
kyak: it is more comfortable if you use a ssh session. To run prboom :
<rafa>
export SDL_VIDEODRIVER=fbcon
<rafa>
export SDL_NOMOUSE=1
<rafa>
prboom -width 320 -height 240
<zear>
kyak, such a file doesn't exist, so create it and put the following:
<zear>
screen_width 320
<zear>
screen_height 240
<zear>
that did the job for me
<kyak>
ok, thanks guys
<zear>
or.. what rafa wrote, should be faster :D
<rafa>
ah.. better as zear says :)
<zear>
haha
<kyak>
lol
<zear>
do whichever you want
<rafa>
yeah
<rafa>
do not use prboom if you want
<rafa>
:D
<kyak>
though i'm wondering how it will run via ssh
<kyak>
ok. let's see
<rafa>
kyak: it is the same
<kyak>
wow
<kyak>
i'm playing it
<kyak>
insane!
<kyak>
where's the shoot button? :)
<kyak>
40 % health, quick! :)
<nebajoth>
yes hello
<nebajoth>
what are you playing
<kyak>
open doom :)
<kyak>
ok, it's playable.. now for the mplayer
<kyak>
i expect it won't play 1080p?
<nebajoth>
debian or jlime?
<kyak>
it's jlime
<rafa>
kyak: after to install mplayer read /usr/share/doc/mplayer/README
<tuxbrain>
yeah kyak but if you don't have a hdmi<->usb-device adaptor you cant apreciate it :P
<tuxbrain>
(for aclaration the of casual visitors my prior sentences is a joke :P)
<kyak>
tuxbrain: too late! i already ordered one :)
<tuxbrain>
man tell me where and I will incorporate to the catalog :P
<tuxbrain>
along with the fision ethernal battery, and cheap wifi/usb host/bt/scsi/serial/esata/ all in one uSD cards
<kyak>
hehe
<tuxbrain>
yay! kyak your AR tip has make the scummvm passing the breaking point!!! crosssing my fingers until the end of the loooong compilation proccess
<kyak>
i'm predicting
<kyak>
the next error is alsa :)
<tuxbrain>
I hate magicians
<kyak>
insanity!!! mplayer does the job!
<kyak>
but the usual 9-0 volume control buttons not working -\
<tuxbrain>
damnit you where right ;(, as I said I hate magicians
<kyak>
no, you hate alsa!
<kyak>
please, hate alsa!
<tuxbrain>
sure it was done by a magician too
<kyak>
Jlime$ opkg list |wc -l
<kyak>
14282
<tuxbrain>
what res and codec are you playing with mplayer?
<emeb>
was having so much fun playing dingoo stuff on my NN that I ordered an A-320...
<kyak>
tuxbrain: just following the /usr/share/doc/mplayer/README, it's 240x180 mpg
<kyak>
jlime seem to have 10 times more packages then openwrt (at least comparing to kamikaze/8.09.1/brcm-2.4)
<kyak>
rafa: how is it possible?
<kyak>
the nexting testing point in Jlime is WiFi.. if it works, i might be staying
<kyak>
actually, it's the first point, but ok
<tuxbrain>
jlime is based on OE, a lot of wide distros are based in oe, like angstrom so i has a lot more base done than openwrt
<kyak>
is jlime binary compatible with ben/dingoo?
<kyak>
or debian?
<emeb>
oe works pretty well - I use it on beagle.
<rafa>
binary compatibility between distros is just luck. You need to use the same compiler and base libraries to do compatibility. So no, it is not compatible. If you can run a dingoo binary on debian or openwrt it is just luck (I would not think that debian developers decided to use the same libs and compilers that dingoo to be Debian compatible with dingoo binaries :) )
<kyak>
ok, i see
<tuxbrain>
fails on linking, (as leafpad did) so I will try to fix it same way puting manually the dir of the libraries
<kyak>
is it still required to remount rootfs to read-only before shitdown in jlime?
<kyak>
shutdown even
<rafa>
kyak: btw, I have around 300+ packages more to upload to the repository (most of them of python-*) so the number of packages will increase a bit these days :)
<tuxbrain>
I'm a f$%&ing shopkeeper what the hell I'm doing dealing with linking stuff :P
<rafa>
kyak: and the number of packages is because OE has a lot of stuff, nicely ready to build and upload. ;-)
<kyak>
rafa: that's cool :) i need to have a closer look
<tuxbrain>
it seems to frezze the frambuffer on exit, and the last thing on screen remains forever until reboot
<tuxbrain>
other things are the tipical like over sized menus
<tuxbrain>
menus no, dialogs like open/save as, or font settings (I think this is matter of the gtk defaults also)
<tuxbrain>
but well was my first try on a "complicated" port, I'm glad just to have a ipkg to show I did it :)
<xakh>
hmm
<xakh>
well, sweet.
<xakh>
odd
<xakh>
jlime says it's corrupt
<tuxbrain>
the ipkg is for openwrt
<xakh>
oh I know
<xakh>
but I tried to boot from the SD to test out the stuff
<xakh>
find the error at imgur.com/LYgiT.jpg
<tuxbrain>
you can read the fat partition on your pc?
<xakh>
sorry, was afk there
<xakh>
yes, I can read the partition
<tuxbrain>
xakh, good news, if you launch the Leafpad form gmenu2x the nastier effect dissapears, when you close Leafpad you return cleanly to gmenu2x :), zear thanks for the wrapper option :)
<xakh>
oooh, I want the wrapper, and such
<tuxbrain>
:) wrapper is a parameter of the gmenu2x , when you launch an app from an icon you decide if you stay in console after finish it, or return to gmenu2x, setting the option wrapper=true you return to gmenu2x once application launched quits.
<xakh>
nice.
<xakh>
it has to be in /card to show up on gmenu2x, right
<xakh>
?
<tuxbrain>
uh... no
<xakh>
oh, awesome
<xakh>
hey, what's the syntax to install it?
<xakh>
I know I use opkg
<tuxbrain>
just you have to define a file in /usr/share/gmenu2x/seccions/[applications,games,whateversection] like for exaple the stardict
<tuxbrain>
just replace the title and the exec lines to lauch leafpad instead of startdict
<xakh>
ah ok
<xakh>
well, anyway, can you point me to a tut on installing .ipk files? my google fu is weak today.
<tuxbrain>
easy, download the ipkg
<xakh>
got that part.
<tuxbrain>
opkg install nameofthefile.ipk
<tuxbrain>
from nanonote it self of course
<tuxbrain>
the ipkg must be in the nano
<xakh>
thanks
<tuxbrain>
whatever place
<tuxbrain>
cd to that place and opkg install nameofthefile.ipk
<xakh>
hmm
<xakh>
when I open it, it's just a white screen.
<xakh>
it's done this before, when opening Stardict
<xakh>
is there something wrong with my FB implementation?
<tuxbrain>
mmm strange... what version of release are you using?
<xakh>
the last one, from may
<tuxbrain>
same as mine....
<tuxbrain>
sorry man, time to sleep
<xakh>
np
<tuxbrain>
btw today a new official distro seems to be on the downloads folder :) , I will wait for Mirko to know what are the news on it, maybe we will have better luck with leafpad in the new one :) good night
<xakh>
oooooooh
<xakh>
thanks man!
<xakh>
hey, anyone know how I can change the size of my terminal emu on jlime?
<calamarz>
I had to change the typedef to unsigned int fbval_t (draw.h) in case sb interested
<calamarz>
it is quite lightweight... anyway, I think pdfs should be reformatted to be read more comfortably... it would be useful to script it.
<Textmode>
morning all
<freespace>
morning
<wolfspraul>
freespace: are you in Asia?
<wolfspraul>
also 'morning here, need to run to a vendor (hoperf)...
<freespace>
going by my sleep patterns
<freespace>
you would think so
<freespace>
:P
<freespace>
nah i am in australia
<emeb>
wolfspraul: how's things going w/ hoperf?
<wolfspraul>
visiting them today, lots of questions, will send a report to the list
<freespace>
cool
<emeb>
will be interested - I took a look at the RFM22 datasheet. Seems like a promising module.
<emeb>
Should be pretty easy to integrate - SPI support is already in-kernel, so writing a driver should be straight-forward.
<wolfspraul>
emeb: he he. I may take you up for these things :-)
<wolfspraul>
emeb: if you compare 12 vs. 22 and 23, which one do you like better?
<emeb>
I'll give them a closer look and let you know.
<emeb>
12 or 12B?
<wolfspraul>
12B is the newer one, I think they just removed 5V and one rarely used band
<emeb>
*nod*
<emeb>
23 has lower output power and COB construction - should be less expensive.
<wolfspraul>
do you think 22/23 are compatible with 12/12b, i.e. can send packages to each other
<wolfspraul>
I forgot about the modulation details of the various modules
<wolfspraul>
also need to find out when these modules were introduced, how sales are going, and how long they will be available (or in other words what they are investing into now)
<emeb>
Looks like there is some band overlap. Need to check modulations tho.
<emeb>
also read as "how much life do they have left"
<wolfspraul>
yeah, it's hard to find out because we are all subject to hardware economics
<methril>
gets happy reading progress about LowFi :)
<wolfspraul>
but best you can do is have a good personal communication channel and chat once in a while
<wolfspraul>
they are very open too, about sales, how it's goign in different markets, etc.
<wolfspraul>
because they are sitting in the same boat with their customers about making good choices for the future, focusing on high-volume chips, etc.
<wolfspraul>
if I end up with a chip/module that is dead a year later, everybody will suffer
<wolfspraul>
anyway
<wolfspraul>
I'll report to the list, no worries
<methril>
thank you again for your excellent work wolfspraul
<wolfspraul>
ha, I enjoy it
<wolfspraul>
only we need to increase sales somehow
<methril>
we enjoy it too ;)
<wolfspraul>
can't be that there are only 800 people in the world to whom the NanoNote can create value
<wolfspraul>
so let's see...
<methril>
i get in contact with the brazilian guy that wants a Group Sale for Brazil, asking for more participants
<wolfspraul>
cool
<methril>
and if he's in any LUG
<wolfspraul>
I need to test the new openwrt image today
<methril>
to see if it could increase the sales
<wolfspraul>
if it's good I plan to go to our warehouse and reflash all remaining 220 or so Nanos there, maybe put some stickers in the box too
<wolfspraul>
great, every unit/sale helps
<wolfspraul>
we are moving, software gets better
<methril>
maybe i'm going to bough another NN
<emeb>
wolfspraul: looks like the 12B is FSK-only while 22/23 also support OOK & GFSK
<methril>
(the first one i didn't bough)
<methril>
andn i could test the tax system ;)
<emeb>
no telling if 12B FSK is compatible w/ 22/23 tho.
<wolfspraul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
OK
<wolfspraul>
gotta run
<wolfspraul>
emeb: do you think OOK & GFSK would be interesting?
<emeb>
wolfspraul: OOK not so much. GFSK looks good tho - better spectrum, likely more efficient / sensitivity.
<wolfspraul>
ok
<freespace>
hrm, i got links compiled with directfb support. but when i run it on the NN (openwrt) all i get is a white screen
<calamarz>
freespace: I got links2 in debian, but it renders only in half screen :/
<freespace>
rats
<freespace>
well that is further along than i am! :)
<freespace>
which version of links and libdirectfb do you have there?
<freespace>
hrmph, gmu doesn't work either
<freespace>
unable to open mouse
<freespace>
weird
<nebajoth>
y halo thar
<freespace>
morning nebajoth
<nebajoth>
hey thar
<nebajoth>
where do you live?
<nebajoth>
its night here
<nebajoth>
10:15pm
<freespace>
in the future!
<nebajoth>
or the past
<freespace>
you are still stuck on the 16th
<nebajoth>
so I am
<nebajoth>
its not so bad
<nebajoth>
the 16th
<freespace>
there is not much between us and date line :)
<freespace>
it was alright
<freespace>
but i am over it
<freespace>
17th is where its at :P
<freespace>
how does your evening find you?
<nebajoth>
tired
<nebajoth>
watching the switzerland/spain match
<nebajoth>
from earlier today
<nebajoth>
didn't get a chance to watch it live
<nebajoth>
stupid work...
<freespace>
oh, i missed that
<nebajoth>
its pretty effing spectacular actually
<nebajoth>
the second half anyway
<freespace>
i will see if there is a rerun
<nebajoth>
like the Matrix
<nebajoth>
I'm streaming it from cbc.ca
<nebajoth>
they have all the matches on demand online
<nebajoth>
I dunno if you have to be Canadian or something though
<freespace>
i am sure i can get around their geolocation stuff
<nebajoth>
hackar
<nebajoth>
ALART
<nebajoth>
FOREIGN HACKAR ALART
<freespace>
how do you know i am not canadian?
<nebajoth>
:O
<nebajoth>
BLOWING
<nebajoth>
MY MIND
<Textmode>
bah, qt is *still* building...I don't even want it :/
<freespace>
the irony of a guy using "textmode" as the handle compiling qt
<freespace>
:D
<Textmode>
otoh, makes sense that I don't want it :P
<freespace>
hehe
<freespace>
first thing i did was remove all gtk* and qt* stuff
<Textmode>
does it at least start up on the NN faster than GTK does?
<freespace>
i don't know
<freespace>
i don't have either
<freespace>
but stardict was really slow starting up
<Textmode>
they are total overkill for the nn, imho. you need something small and light.
<Textmode>
preferably fast, too :P
<freespace>
nod
<freespace>
very few desktop apps can be ported to run on such a small screen
<freespace>
and still be useful
<Textmode>
aye.
<freespace>
esp one without a pointing device
<freespace>
i couldn't scroll in stardict
<Textmode>
particularly as many of them are designed with the assuption you have a mouse.
<freespace>
nod
<Textmode>
although I hear they recently cooked up a mouse emu...
<freespace>
NN is my excuse to retreat back to writing and using cursor based programs :P
<xiangfu>
freespace: the first time to run stardict. it need create a dictionary index. after that it's better
<freespace>
ahhh
<freespace>
ok, could you tell me how to scroll in the definition?
<freespace>
i tab'd so the definition window was selected, but press arrow keys didn't do anything
<freespace>
stardict is the most useful gfx program on there besides gmu
<Textmode>
...takes a while to exit, too.
<Textmode>
...or maybe it just crashed...
<freespace>
probably qt's fault :)
<Textmode>
heh
<nebajoth>
freespace | the irony of a guy using "textmode" as the handle compiling qt
<nebajoth>
freespace++
<freespace>
i am incremented!
<Textmode>
congratulates freespace
<freespace>
thank you, it is great achivement
<nebajoth>
you're a mudder
<Textmode>
meep?
<freespace>
all the issues aside, it is quite neat stardict runs - i doubt it was made for anything like the NN
<freespace>
Textmode: nebajoth thinks i play muds
<nebajoth>
or used to
<freespace>
nod
<nebajoth>
yes precisely
<nebajoth>
flee
<freespace>
i tried one or two, didn't grab me
<nebajoth>
get potion sack
<nebajoth>
drink potion
<nebajoth>
north
<nebajoth>
kill freespace
<nebajoth>
hai.
<nebajoth>
the limited number of horizontal pixels on the NN screen is my biggest bane
<Textmode>
unfortunately, the potion was of poison.
<nebajoth>
I hate it more than lack of wifi
<freespace>
13270 s003Â Â ZÂ Â Â Â Â Â 2:00.08 freespace
<freespace>
brrraaaiiinnnnnsssss
<nebajoth>
D:
<Textmode>
nah, I think its just crashed, that screen isn't going away...
<freespace>
(you need to kill my parents too)
<nebajoth>
D:
<freespace>
if i was to write a zombie story
<freespace>
that would be how zombie came about
<nebajoth>
I'm investigating the usability of hsh on the nn
<nebajoth>
post that in the Nanohacks community page?
<freespace>
so, how do you get fbterm on the NN?
<calamarz>
i've been procrastinating for a big while playing with conversions on pdf
<nebajoth>
step 1
<nebajoth>
install debian
<freespace>
i don' think it is a package?
<nebajoth>
step 2
<freespace>
ah
<freespace>
hehe
<nebajoth>
profit
<calamarz>
debian++
<nebajoth>
I'm loving it
<freespace>
nod, been waiting for a uSD
<calamarz>
yep, have to enter nanohacks yet
<nebajoth>
I have mine installed directly to flash
<freespace>
ok
<nebajoth>
mind if I post the link there?
<calamarz>
not at all :)
<freespace>
man what an awesome dude
<calamarz>
I've been playing with a2pdf, a perl script, to make 320x240 pdfs :)
<calamarz>
freespace: who?
<freespace>
lit cave guy
<calamarz>
yeah
<calamarz>
i'm loving him
<freespace>
curios he didn't write a fb image viewer
<calamarz>
nah, fbi is all you did
<freespace>
ah cool
<freespace>
bookmarks
<calamarz>
have to look at the qran reader... sure it can be used more generic
<nebajoth>
I posted it in NH.org too
<calamarz>
hum... now that I remind i'm gonna post also the trick needed to get fbpdf to actually compile
<nebajoth>
:D
<calamarz>
a little change to the typedef for the fb depth to fit
<Textmode>
oh, hsh looks nice.
<nebajoth>
"It uses tinyfont files, a custom simple font file format, to render text. ft2tf can be used to create tinyfont files from truetype fonts."
<nebajoth>
sweet
<nebajoth>
Textmode: yeah, its damned interesting.
<nebajoth>
AND python :D
<nebajoth>
although python isn't really an ideal language for the horizontally-constrained BNN
<nebajoth>
all those tabs actually count against it
<nebajoth>
I'm toying with some ideas for making screen space utilization more efficient in a pretty general way
<nebajoth>
specifically by stripping newlines from the end of normal terminal output
<nebajoth>
and instead differentiating new lines with background colour differentiation
<nebajoth>
haha
<nebajoth>
differentiating
<nebajoth>
twice
<nebajoth>
still
<nebajoth>
the point is to allow continuous data input
<nebajoth>
without quickly exhausting the vertical space and thus erasing the history
<nebajoth>
its a simple change, and I wonder if the human mind will quickly slip into judging new lines by colour
<nebajoth>
I plan to experiment asap
<nebajoth>
you all think I'm crazyy
<nebajoth>
I killed the room
<calamarz>
:p
<nebajoth>
:(
<calamarz>
nebajoth: don't want to discourage you, but human mind will quicky slip into pressing buttons in tactile screens :p
<calamarz>
to me nn is a treasure cause finally sb thinking in putting keyboards
<calamarz>
kbd-less stuff=1984
<nebajoth>
I'm not sure what you mean
<nebajoth>
I'm not suggesting getting rid of the keyboard
<nebajoth>
in fact everything would be the same in my scenario
<nebajoth>
except rather than going to the lefthand-most pixel when a new "line" begins
<nebajoth>
it would instead change the bg color of the text
<nebajoth>
and continue inline
<nebajoth>
and stripe its way across each row that way
<nebajoth>
this would have the benefit of not wasting any horizontal space
<nebajoth>
and thus making the backlog appear on screen, and thus within easy recall, longer
<nebajoth>
it is a solution that only fits a situation in which we have severely limited horizontal space
<nebajoth>
anything with higher resolution doesn't need this level of optimization
<nebajoth>
I get sick of looking at screen output that splits into two lines and wastes a good 85% of a horizontal row
<nebajoth>
it is the worst of all worlds
<nebajoth>
I seek to optimize a UI experience to the modest hardware of the NN
<calamarz>
yep, sounds interesting... wasn't atacking your idea, only rambling about iStuff mediated evolution :p
<calamarz>
at this time of the night my mind diverges
<calamarz>
er, actually, morning already
<calamarz>
yep, I know what you mean... i've realised that for instance pdfs are annoying cause of the wasted margins. with such a tiny screen there's no space to waste
<calamarz>
was thinking about scripting the conversion host-side. although don't know if it would be more efficient to have it in plain text.
<nebajoth>
a conversion host-side that essentially strips the margins?
<nebajoth>
personally, I'd want to get the data out of pdf as quickly as possible
<nebajoth>
and into something fluidly editable
<nebajoth>
like text
<calamarz>
mmm yep. but at the same time i'm thinking about having a pleasant reading experience. being able to edit stuff for people to read and enjoy (including images etc)
<calamarz>
dont know yet. for sure a nerd can read in emacs :)
<calamarz>
but was thinking that pdf extended for a reason