<zear>
a friend of mine, who lives in australia, was on a trip to germany and while being there sent me his broken ds (just a broken hinge, hardware works fine)
<Textmode>
cool
<Textmode>
gotten it to do anything fun yet?
<zear>
run linux :)
<Textmode>
hehe
<zear>
though i think it has problems with symlinks (runs on fat16), because it returns an error when i try to ls /usr/bin
<zear>
and generally lacks most of the commands that usually are located in that dir
<Textmode>
...and I seem to be neatly avoid the hours that theres anyone awake in the channels I use :/
<zear>
change your timezone ;P
<Textmode>
;_;
<Textmode>
zear: I tried petitioning the government, but my requests fell on deaf ears.
<zear>
;D
<zear>
Textmode, then get more people from australia into nanonote scene ;P
<Textmode>
heh
<zear>
some people from the ds scene were amazed by the nanonote when i showed it to them yesterday
<Textmode>
hehe
<calamarz>
mumblemumbles about groff+most as a _minimal_ ebook reader on nn
<wolfspraul>
I reflashed 219 Nanos in our warehouse in Hong Kong with 2010-06-15, it better be good! :-)
<xakh>
haha
<xakh>
and how's Jlime coming along? is it working?
<wolfspraul>
xakh: yes I think so, they posted something about a beta release
<wolfspraul>
haven't tried it yet though
<xakh>
ooh.
<urandom_>
wolfspraul you better disable gmenu2x autostart on them :P
<xakh>
I love my gmenu....
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: u mean the flickering?
<wolfspraul>
yeah, it's horrible. It was a tough decision but I decided to still reflash them because it is our official image, and leaving the 2010-01-13 on them wouldn't have been much better either.
<wolfspraul>
I noticed when I go into dgClock and back the flickering goes away entirely on my own Nano. strange.
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: why disable gmenu2x?
<xakh>
what's going on with flickering?
<urandom_>
cause of flickering, it can only acces /card/ and most people disable it anyway
<urandom_>
i mean it is not bad but in really needs much improvements to be usefull
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: I agree about the need of improvements, but booting into a GUY first is not bad I think.
<wolfspraul>
but yeah, lots of work...
<xakh>
hey, guys, while you're here
<xakh>
I'm no good with porting and cross compilation
<xakh>
but I found something that might be useful.
<urandom_>
xakh i think i tryed to run it once but no luck ( the first one)
<xakh>
Ah.
<xakh>
crap, be back later, see you guys in a bit!
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: hmm [dgclock] thanks
<wolfspraul>
lots of work ahead, please remember we are a few volunteers and part-timers and people that work for free or donate their own money for this project :-)
<wolfspraul>
so to me the progress I see is exciting
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: can you write up some bugs in the issue tracker?
<wolfspraul>
In general I think there are 2 ways we can go about this:
<wolfspraul>
one - we think that some of those GUI apps that are now in the OpenWrt image will be replaced with something else, then nobody will work on fixing them because we think they will be replaced.
<wolfspraul>
two - we settle on those apps and little by little fix/improve them and get those fixes applied upstream
<wolfspraul>
I played with GMU and was surprised how well it worked.
<Xakh->
alright, i got my irc client on my phone
<wolfspraul>
stardict - fonts didn't show, and I think the navigation is not good
<urandom_>
GMU is awesome, we should definitely settle on it
<wolfspraul>
dclock, didn't work well for me at all
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: only I didn't find the TAB key for a while
<freespace>
GMU needs slightly better doco
<urandom_>
i wasnt able to change time in dclock i think
<freespace>
exiting by alt-enter wasn't obvious
<Xakh->
so, does the new openwrt image have the arrows to cursor movement?
<wolfspraul>
freespace: yeah, you mean GMU? Both Tab and Alt weren't obvious to me.
<freespace>
nod
<wolfspraul>
but anyway, it's great progress
<freespace>
indeed
<wolfspraul>
we are building a whole distro here
<Xakh>
so i can navigate fb apps?
<wolfspraul>
it's unreal
<freespace>
i patched imgv, waiting for some one to apply it :P
<Xakh>
nick xakh
<Xakh>
dang it
<wolfspraul>
no Microsoft, no Shuttleworth, no Google
<Xakh>
ah
<urandom_>
i think wejp wants to make gmu display some help menu on first startup or something like that
<wolfspraul>
freespace: apply?
<freespace>
that would be all that's required
<freespace>
and possibly standardise on Q/esc for app exit
<wolfspraul>
you mean commit to the source repository?
<Xakh>
this is so cool, i feel like i'm watching something awesome happen
<freespace>
wolfspraul: yeah
<wolfspraul>
hmm
<wolfspraul>
I didn't see the patch. I don't think Niels would have a problem with you committing right into the project.
<wolfspraul>
Let's ask him!
<freespace>
yeah, i would too have a problem with a random committing :)
<wolfspraul>
oh sure, we have to have that time. Let me email him, cc you
<wolfspraul>
what is your email address?
<freespace>
s.qi@pictorii.com
<wolfspraul>
k one sec
<Xakh>
the future is mips, and i'm really happy to be a part of it.
<freespace>
also, for those debugging directfb issues, the libdirectfb's makefile doesn't have --enable-debug, it has --enable-debug-support which by itself is useless
<freespace>
but that's openwrt's issue :P
<urandom_>
uhm wolfspraul what bugs did you want me to add on the issue tracker?
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: usability issues in the UI, for example
<wolfspraul>
of course anything you think is buggy
<freespace>
first thing i did after flashing new firmware was to build my own removing gmenu2x... :P
<Xakh>
escape is select i think.
<wolfspraul>
the idea is that you can slowly 'dive in'
<wolfspraul>
you start high-level, with 'NanoNote'
<newbie008>
it's X
<wolfspraul>
then you can dive into hardware, software, manufacturing, etc. whatever you like
<freespace>
sp
<freespace>
so "b" then
<wolfspraul>
the more intuitive the 'diving into' is, and the deeper you can go, the better
<newbie008>
I think we need to change these keys around so that enter selects, perhaps the shift other down shift buttons do the L& R
<wolfspraul>
if you look at that Talk:NanoNote page you see I chose some 'reference' articles based on the quality assigned to them by Wikipedia's Project Computing effort
<wolfspraul>
so I will start like that, at least that's the plan but since late March I never go to do anything! :-)
<freespace>
well, you should make the captcha easier so us highly intelligent computers can do it :P
<freespace>
i tried against last night when a captcha I thought I could read
<freespace>
turns out i couldn't, again!
<wolfspraul>
argh
<freespace>
it is a dehumanising experience
<freespace>
*bomtish*
<wolfspraul>
I will do it today.
<wolfspraul>
there is a math captcha
<freespace>
lets do that
<wolfspraul>
please understand this spam spots are nasty
<freespace>
yeah
<wolfspraul>
and then it's me who has to drag all this shit edits out one by one
<Xakh>
wait wait, what level of math?
<wolfspraul>
:-)
<newbie008>
how to exit gmu ?
<freespace>
alt-enter
<freespace>
wait no
<freespace>
that's gmu
<freespace>
alt-ctrl-q
<newbie008>
that work
<newbie008>
alt+enter
<freespace>
alt-enter worked?
<newbie008>
yes
<freespace>
ok well there you go
<Xakh>
i'm going to be organizing this late at night, and there may be drinking involved here, so let's not make this too challenging?
<freespace>
i submitted a ticket about these issues :P
<newbie008>
we need to standardize on these keys,, but I am throughally impressed
<freespace>
is a proflict complainer
<freespace>
prolifict rather
<freespace>
also can't spell worth a damn
<newbie008>
the dictionary seems to freeze, I just see a flesh colored screen
<Xakh>
sweet, right?
<freespace>
wait for it
<freespace>
takes about 90s for first run
<freespace>
building index apparently
<freespace>
see if you can reproduce the issue i had, which was you can't scroll a definition no matter what you do
<newbie008>
ok it's up. I see a mouse, but no way to move it
<freespace>
there is no mouse at all
<wolfspraul>
also I think fonts are broken
<freespace>
fonts were ok for me
<newbie008>
there is a pointer in the dictionary program, looks like a mouse
<freespace>
we should probably supply a directfbrc in /etc with no-cursor in there
<urandom_>
mouse should be just disabled
<freespace>
yeah, that's from directfb
<Xakh>
so, guys, avoid math captchas, i am not known for my arithmetic skills
<freespace>
at least i am pretty sure it is
<newbie008>
after exiting starDict I see flickering around the top left corner of the screen
<freespace>
i got that too
<freespace>
not entirely sure what causes that
<newbie008>
how do I exit this gui?
<wolfspraul>
Xakh: we are only talking about anonymous edits in the wiki here
<newbie008>
and what programs can I help work on?
<wolfspraul>
so you can still create an account and there is no captcha at all, only for account creation
<urandom_>
oh i really cant scroll in stardict but it worked in the last image
<wolfspraul>
and maybe at that one occasion you will be able to do simple plus or minus math, like 4+7 = ?? :-)
<freespace>
i forgot newbie008, sorry
<newbie008>
urandom_: for me I needed to tabe before I could go up and down
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: we need a test plan
<wolfspraul>
too many regressions
<wolfspraul>
another thing that is missing in the wiki
<urandom_>
wait no it works
<urandom_>
yeah we need a plan
<Xakh>
i suppose so, it's 15, right? ;) jk
<urandom_>
but it is flickering extremely while scrolling
<newbie008>
entering the clock and leaving it removes the flicker
<newbie008>
I do not think there is a way to exit this gui, I've tried every button
<urandom_>
oh and it doesnt properly quit if it isnt run from gmenu2x
<eharrington_>
I use ctrl alt F1 to exit, saw it somewhere
<urandom_>
newbie008 well i do crt-+alt+f1 and then ctr+c, that works
<wolfspraul>
newbie008: ctrl-alt-f1 to console (enter is enough)
<wolfspraul>
ctrl-alt-f5 back to GUI
<wolfspraul>
ctrl-alt-f2 .. f4 are other consoles
<newbie008>
I did the ctrl+alt+f1 and got to a text screen which said something like "jz-codec <-> ..."
<wolfspraul>
newbie008: press 'enter'
<newbie008>
then ctrl+c, which now says "Please wait while the graphical enviroment is loading..."
<newbie008>
ah enter now gives me the console
<Xakh>
hey, is there a way to add a user yet?
<newbie008>
thanks all
<Xakh>
we're here to help!
<newbie008>
yeah I want to get a couple of thin clients and use this computer giving my entire family a login
<newbie008>
I'm off to /dev/null  if there is a bug list on the wiki I'll start looking at it
<Xakh>
oh, and i lost my button for shorting. what's recommended for a substitute?
<larsc>
tinfoil
<Xakh>
or is there another way into usbboot?
<urandom_>
press u on startup if you have a working and newer bootloader
<Xakh>
epic.
<Xakh>
can i keep the battery in?
<urandom_>
maybe but i think it might cause problems
<Xakh>
hm.
<eharrington_>
If I use 'halt' to shut down then 'u' & 'm' power up seem to work better
<urandom_>
oh i cant use my wiki account for projects?
<Xakh>
xiangfu: i'm gonna start work organizing the wiki tonight. you got anything you want added there?
<xiangfu>
Xakh: no.
<Xakh>
alright, just checking.
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: Xakh keeping the battery in should not cause problems.
<wolfspraul>
if it does, it's a bug in how the system is shutdown
<wolfspraul>
so if you want to be totally safe and sure you are starting from a fully unpowered state, sure remove the battery
<wolfspraul>
but if we get software perfect, it shouldn't matter
<urandom_>
i think some people reported problems with keeping battery and i had the problem myself (but might have been somthing else that caused it, hard to tell)
<urandom_>
wolfspraul why do we have to create an account for projects and one for the wiki?
<wolfspraul>
urandom_: not enough server admin resources :-)
<wolfspraul>
wiki = MediaWiki, projects = Indefero
<wolfspraul>
of course a joint account system would be cool
<wolfspraul>
but realistically I think it won't happen anytime soon, there are so many other more high-priority tasks, lower hanging fruits...
<wolfspraul>
I will try to do the visual math captcha on mediawiki today, for anonymous edits
<wolfspraul>
(or account creations)
<wolfspraul>
then I should test the OpenID login, but probably not today
<urandom_>
thats sad cause many people will think "oh i found an issue lets report it, oh wait i have to register, nah just forget about it"
<wolfspraul>
true
<wolfspraul>
totally agree
<urandom_>
and yeah i understand there is other importand stuff to do
<wolfspraul>
let's do it step by step
<wolfspraul>
first make the captcha on the wiki easier
<wolfspraul>
maybe someone can look into how we can hook Indefero into another account backend
<urandom_>
i really should try to get some working toolchain for the ben ... one day
<xakh>
I can just yank the cable out when I'm done with the flash?
<urandom_>
yeah
<newbie007>
hi, what is the difference between openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi, u-boot.bin, and uImage.bin ?
<urandom_>
u-boot.bin is the bootloader
<urandom_>
openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi is the root filesystem
<urandom_>
and uImage is the kernel
<newbie007>
ah, thank you
<newbie007>
how does a group of programs become the root.ubi file ?
<newbie007>
I want to try changing the files around then reflashing the device
<newbie007>
if I come up with anything, I'd contribute it back
<urandom_>
i dont understand your question, you want to build your own root filesystem?
<newbie007>
well, I want to mess with the programs, I was thinking of changing the gui's help message to reflect the actual keys, then going from there