<kyak> tuxbrain: yeah, i got the fbterm but it's not interesting for me any more now that i found jfbterm :)
<kyak> jfbterm can compile and start, but then there are some problems.. so i;m trying to dig more
<freespace> you got it running kyak ?
<kyak> it - what?
<freespace> i assume so; what distro?
<freespace> jfbterm
<kyak> i got it started, not running actually
<kyak> it's openwrt
<freespace> ok, cool
<kyak> it complains about ttys
<kyak> and there are some really weird problems with arguments to ioctl
<kyak> that's why it allocates a free tty somewhere at the end of INT :)
<freespace> ok :)
<qi-commits> Ulrich Hecht: don't waste CPU redrawing the screen when there's no input http://qi-hw.com/p/gmenu2x/ac2fa73
<Textmode> morning all
<zear> hey there
<Textmode> huggles zear
<Textmode> whats up?
<zear> fiddling with my new second-hand ds ;)
<zear> and it's an australian ds, too ;)
<zear> a friend of mine, who lives in australia, was on a trip to germany and while being there sent me his broken ds (just a broken hinge, hardware works fine)
<Textmode> cool
<Textmode> gotten it to do anything fun yet?
<zear> run linux :)
<Textmode> hehe
<zear> though i think it has problems with symlinks (runs on fat16), because it returns an error when i try to ls /usr/bin
<zear> and generally lacks most of the commands that usually are located in that dir
<Textmode> ...and I seem to be neatly avoid the hours that theres anyone awake in the channels I use :/
<zear> change your timezone ;P
<Textmode> ;_;
<Textmode> zear: I tried petitioning the government, but my requests fell on deaf ears.
<zear> ;D
<zear> Textmode, then get more people from australia into nanonote scene ;P
<Textmode> heh
<zear> some people from the ds scene were amazed by the nanonote when i showed it to them yesterday
<Textmode> hehe
<calamarz> mumblemumbles about groff+most as a _minimal_ ebook reader on nn
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: jz4740-mmc: Limit max_seg_size to PAGE_SIZE http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/bf60cc0
<qi-commits> Lars-Peter Clausen: i2s whitespace http://qi-hw.com/p/qi-kernel/ff5123f
<newbie007> hi, I'm following the directions found here (http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ethernet_over_USB) to get a nanonote connected to the net
<zear> newbie007, where did you get stucked?
<newbie007> the directions worked up to a point, I can ssh to the device, nut I can't ping google (from the device I'm ssh'ed in to it)
<zear> newbie007, check the /etc/resolv.conf
<zear> maybe it points to the wrong dns servers
<zear> can you ping ip addresses?
<newbie007> from the host I can ping the device
<newbie007> I'll try from the device to the host..
<zear> here's the ip of google: 66.102.13.104
<newbie007> hmm... trying to find out how to type a number
<newbie007> got it
<newbie007> no I cannot ping that address
<zear> ok, did you set up the nat?
<zear> you need ip forwarding to have net on the nanonote
<newbie007> I think you're right,, I might be having a selinx problem..
<zear> i have no experience with iptables, and especially no knowledge about se
<zear> though the nat config commands from the wiki page worked for me just fine
<newbie007> me too :)
<zear> just check out your eth device (ifconfig -a)
<newbie007> selinux has a list of things it blocked, the list was empty
<zear> mayve it's not eth0
<zear> *maybe
<newbie007> it's eth0
<newbie007> what I want out of the nanonote is to make other's wish they had one
<zear> then it should work, but se might have some protection against changing iptables rules so easily
<newbie007> so I made this animation, I was going to try to make a program to display it on the nanonote http://imagebin.ca/view/B5v8zMkB.html
<zear> that looks cool, is it free as in freedom?
<newbie007> I think it's my host OS,, I'll have to digg into it
<zear> so we could use it in main nanonote distro?
<newbie007> I found the image on images.google.com you can have it. If you want the origianl gimp created .xcf file you can have it
<newbie007> I was going to take the mp3 player program called gmu, and try to transform it into a image display program
<newbie007> I turned the still image into an animated one
<newbie007> thought it would be a cool boot up logo, but not sure if that is possible
<zear> hmm.. why would you turn gmu into an image display program?
<zear> you could just write a simple sdl program for displaying this animation instead
<newbie007> I'm completely new to graphical c programs
<newbie007> not c but...
<zear> well, you'd still have to completely rewrite the gmu, right? :)
<newbie007> if you know a better program to use as an example I'm all ears (eyes?)
<newbie007> I would probablly end up deleteing 99% of gmu, kind of ridiclous I agree
<zear> well, any sdl tutorial sample program you can find on the net ;)
<urandom_> we have imgv as a imave viewer
<zear> urandom_, how does the imgv work?
<zear> i haven't tried it yet
<zear> but maybe i could port it to the dingux
<newbie007> I was looking to put dingux on it but couldn't find step by step directions or really a official location
<zear> for what, the dingoo?
<urandom_> works ok, could display some pictures, rotate them, zoom them
<zear> ah, yeah
<newbie007> for nanonote
<zear> ah
<zear> there's no need to put dingux on the nanonote
<zear> it wouldn't work
<zear> because of the lcd drivers
<zear> but dingux apps are binary compatible with the nanonote
<newbie007> oh, I thought it did
<newbie007> too bad
<zear> so you can simply just run them on your nano
<zear> there's completely no point running dingux on the nano
<zear> because it's just a normal linux kernel, the same you have already running on the nn
<mth> you could take the opendingux kernel from git and choose the LCD instead of SLCD driver
<urandom_> from what i hear dingux isnt that good
<zear> but there's no point, dingux is just a kernel, and for a different device
<mth> but probably it's easier to just install the Dingux libs and add them to your LD_LIBRARY_PATH
<zear> and you can already run the whole dingux userland on the current nanonote distro just fine
<newbie007> I just want something that looks cool
<zear> newbie007, kernel itself can't, and won't look cool
<zear> what you think about it a gui
<newbie007> is there any sort of gnome like thing ?
<zear> and you already have the same gmenu2x running on the nano
<newbie007> I guess that is what I want
<newbie007> if I can get it on the net I'll try that first
<zear> newbie007, there's X11 port with icewm and matchbox for the nanonote with jlime distro
<zear> newbie007, have you ever updated the firmware for your nn?
<zear> the newest one comes with gmenu2x preinstalled
<newbie007> could I ask someone to look at my host OS's iptables and tell me if that is my issue (cannot connect nanonote to internet though usb)
<zear> not me, i know nothing about iptables
<newbie007> zear, no just got it
<zear> newbie007, then upgrade it ;)
<newbie007> oh
<newbie007> maybe I have it...
<newbie007> would I type gmenu2x ?
<zear> try it
<zear> but you probably have a very ancient firmware
<newbie007> no, doesn't work
<zear> the pre-gmenu2x one
<newbie007> how can I tell what verion I have?
<zear> newbie007, uname -a
<zear> should show the kernel compilation time
<urandom_> the ben is shipped with a very old firmware
<newbie007> I have 2.6.32.3-g023227d-dirty #1 PREEMPT Wed Jan...
<newbie007> ... (Jan 13 2010)
<urandom_> well time to reflash!
<newbie007> my problem with reflashing it is that my host OS is Fedora 13
<newbie007> dpkg get I think is a debian command
<urandom_> i used fedora for reflashing too
<newbie007> sweet!! help!!
<urandom_> there is a binary package  also
<zear> newbie007, you can just download a .tar.gz of the reflasher
<zear> so distro independent
<zear> yeah, what urandom_ said
<newbie007> oh
<urandom_> but i think it is older, you can also just unzip the deb
<newbie007> dpkg is like rpm,, oh.. cool ok
<newbie007> how do I unzip a deb?
<newbie007> is it a tar gzip ?
<urandom_> yeah i think it is, try
<zear> i don't remember, but you can try renaming it to gzip
<newbie007> I see a bzip that has the same date
<newbie007> in that there is a /usr directory
<newbie007> so are you saying I can just copy these files over ?
<zear> newbie007, that should be it, simply copy it ti /usr on your root filesystem
<zear> *to
<zear> yep, exactly
<zear> that's what i did
<newbie007> huh,, ok I'll give it a try thanks!
<urandom_> you will also need "confuse", you can install it with you package manager, should be in repo
<newbie007> ok I got it, thanks
<newbie007> I see options to reboot u-boot, the kernel partition, or the rootfs,, what should I be doing?
<newbie007> perhaps it's all been updated since Jan 13
<urandom_> newbie007 you could do it manually like in this order http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/How_to_reflash#Example or just use the reflash-ben.sh which might or might not work
<zear> urandom_, just one thing - if after running the flashing script the nanonote doesn't want to boot, don't panic
<zear> for me the script never flashes the bootloader right
<zear> and i have to flash it manually
<zear> anyway, have to go, cya
<xakh> hey guys, is there a new reflash out for the nanonote?
<wolfspraul> xakh: what is a new reflash?
<wolfspraul> you mean a new OpenWrt image?
<xakh> that's the one.
<xakh> a new image.
<wolfspraul> yes, 2010-06-15
<xakh> sorry, bad with language today
<xakh> fantastic.
<xakh> what's it include?
<wolfspraul> I reflashed 219 Nanos in our warehouse in Hong Kong with 2010-06-15, it better be good! :-)
<xakh> haha
<xakh> and how's Jlime coming along? is it working?
<wolfspraul> xakh: yes I think so, they posted something about a beta release
<wolfspraul> haven't tried it yet though
<xakh> ooh.
<urandom_> wolfspraul you better disable gmenu2x autostart on them :P
<xakh> I love my gmenu....
<wolfspraul> urandom_: u mean the flickering?
<wolfspraul> yeah, it's horrible. It was a tough decision but I decided to still reflash them because it is our official image, and leaving the 2010-01-13 on them wouldn't have been much better either.
<wolfspraul> I noticed when I go into dgClock and back the flickering goes away entirely on my own Nano. strange.
<wolfspraul> urandom_: why disable gmenu2x?
<xakh> what's going on with flickering?
<urandom_> cause of flickering, it can only acces /card/ and most people disable it anyway
<urandom_> i mean it is not bad but in really needs much improvements to be usefull
<wolfspraul> urandom_: I agree about the need of improvements, but booting into a GUY first is not bad I think.
<wolfspraul> but yeah, lots of work...
<xakh> hey, guys, while you're here
<xakh> I'm no good with porting and cross compilation
<xakh> but I found something that might be useful.
<xakh> this browser
<urandom_> wolfspraul into a GUY? :P
<wolfspraul> GUI
<wolfspraul> :-)
<xakh> this browser is completely self contained, and even has a FB version available
<xakh> with some work, it could easily become the browser of choice for the Ya.
<wolfspraul> xakh: can you add it to the wishlist?
<wolfspraul> (wiki pages need to be merged, but once it's in there it won't be forgotten)
<xakh> got it in there!
<urandom_> wolfspraul i dont think running dgClock changes something about the flickering in gmenu2x for me, at least not visible
<xakh> also, could we change the graphical interface to this one?
<urandom_> but i have a nice flickering on the top left corner after running startdict :P
<xakh> oh, and there's this one
<urandom_> xakh i think i tryed to run it once but no luck ( the first one)
<xakh> Ah.
<xakh> crap, be back later, see you guys in a bit!
<wolfspraul> urandom_: hmm [dgclock] thanks
<wolfspraul> lots of work ahead, please remember we are a few volunteers and part-timers and people that work for free or donate their own money for this project :-)
<wolfspraul> so to me the progress I see is exciting
<wolfspraul> urandom_: can you write up some bugs in the issue tracker?
<wolfspraul> In general I think there are 2 ways we can go about this:
<wolfspraul> one - we think that some of those GUI apps that are now in the OpenWrt image will be replaced with something else, then nobody will work on fixing them because we think they will be replaced.
<wolfspraul> two - we settle on those apps and little by little fix/improve them and get those fixes applied upstream
<wolfspraul> I played with GMU and was surprised how well it worked.
<Xakh-> alright, i got my irc client on my phone
<wolfspraul> stardict - fonts didn't show, and I think the navigation is not good
<urandom_> GMU is awesome, we should definitely settle on it
<wolfspraul> dclock, didn't work well for me at all
<wolfspraul> urandom_: only I didn't find the TAB key for a while
<freespace> GMU needs slightly better doco
<urandom_> i wasnt able to change time in dclock i think
<freespace> exiting by alt-enter wasn't obvious
<Xakh-> so, does the new openwrt image have the arrows to cursor movement?
<wolfspraul> freespace: yeah, you mean GMU? Both Tab and Alt weren't obvious to me.
<freespace> nod
<wolfspraul> but anyway, it's great progress
<freespace> indeed
<wolfspraul> we are building a whole distro here
<Xakh> so i can navigate fb apps?
<wolfspraul> it's unreal
<freespace> i patched imgv, waiting for some one to apply it :P
<Xakh> nick xakh
<Xakh> dang it
<wolfspraul> no Microsoft, no Shuttleworth, no Google
<Xakh> ah
<urandom_> i think wejp wants to make gmu display some help menu on first startup or something like that
<wolfspraul> freespace: apply?
<freespace> that would be all that's required
<freespace> and possibly standardise on Q/esc for app exit
<wolfspraul> you mean commit to the source repository?
<Xakh> this is so cool, i feel like i'm watching something awesome happen
<freespace> wolfspraul: yeah
<wolfspraul> hmm
<wolfspraul> I didn't see the patch. I don't think Niels would have a problem with you committing right into the project.
<wolfspraul> Let's ask him!
<freespace> yeah, i would too have a problem with a random committing :)
<wolfspraul> oh sure, we have to have that time. Let me email him, cc you
<wolfspraul> what is your email address?
<freespace> s.qi@pictorii.com
<wolfspraul> k one sec
<Xakh> the future is mips, and i'm really happy to be a part of it.
<freespace> also, for those debugging directfb issues, the libdirectfb's makefile doesn't have --enable-debug, it has --enable-debug-support which by itself is useless
<freespace> but that's openwrt's issue :P
<urandom_> uhm wolfspraul what bugs did you want me to add on the issue tracker?
<wolfspraul> urandom_: usability issues in the UI, for example
<wolfspraul> of course anything you think is buggy
<wolfspraul> freespace: would it help you if you had commit access to openwrt-xburst ?
<wolfspraul> I mean the projects server is there so we can efficiently collaborate :-)
<Xakh> hm. i feel bad because i can't think of much to contribute.
<wolfspraul> Xakh: cleanup the wiki
<wolfspraul> we would erect a 10m high bronze statue for you
<wolfspraul> but it's tedious work, be warned
<Xakh> haha! i'll get working on that when i get home. my brother's band is playing a gig, so i can't do much right now
<wolfspraul> nice
<wolfspraul> (your brother playing I meant)
<freespace> wolfspraul: if you guys trust me :P sure
<wolfspraul> do you have an account on projects already?
<freespace> yeah
<Xakh> no problem. i usually do uv mapping, so tedium isn't that big a deal to me
<wolfspraul> freespace: what's the user name?
<urandom_> speaking of the wiki this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_NanoNote_software#Example and this http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Updating_Ben_NanoNote_software#Solution might be merged but i am not sure how, i wanted to translate the page but discovered that it is a mess ^^
<freespace> freespace
<newbie008> hi, I just reflashed the device, using the script, and now my device won't turn on just get a black screen. No red led either
<newbie008> any suggestions?
<freespace> unplug from usb, remove battery, say 2 hail mary's, put battery back in
<urandom_> newbie008 flashing u-boot did not work, try again
<freespace> (ok, you can replace 2 hail marys with count to 10)
<Xakh> well, red only comes on when you're charging
<wolfspraul> freespace: added you to both openwrt-xburst and openwrt-packages
<freespace> ok cool!
<wolfspraul> have fun, thank you so much for any tidbit you can contribute there!
<freespace> will do :)
<newbie008> ok I tried the battery method first, and it came on
<newbie008> wow gui!
<Xakh> so if the device is fully charged or you're not plugged in the wall, the light won't be on
<freespace> newbie008: awesome :)
<newbie008> any way to know when it's fully charged?
<wolfspraul> newbie008: is your LCM flickering?
<newbie008> LCM?
<wolfspraul> sorry your screen
<wolfspraul> the display
<newbie008> no mouse..
<newbie008> no looks great
<wolfspraul> ok good
<freespace> wolfspraul: statu on easy captchas on wiki?
<Xakh> the script sometimes locks up, so you may want to do the old method and flash all 3 parts separately
<Xakh> it worked for mine
<newbie008> at the top I see applications and settings,, how can I get to these? the arrow keys just move the lower portion of the screen
<freespace> z and x map to "a" and "b"
<freespace> q and p map to "l" and "r"
<freespace> gmenu2x is designed for a game console
<freespace> imagine you are in fact using this on a snes
<freespace> i think a and s map to "x" and "y"
<newbie008> oh ha
<Xakh> but it kicks ass all the same!
<freespace> enter is "start"
<freespace> i forget what maps to "select"
<newbie008> enter doesn't seem to select
<wolfspraul> urandom_: about the wiki
<freespace> try tab
<wolfspraul> my plan was to have a structure similar to some good computing articles on wikipedia
<wolfspraul> I wrote down some thoughts here: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Talk:NanoNote
<freespace> first thing i did after flashing new firmware was to build my own removing gmenu2x... :P
<Xakh> escape is select i think.
<wolfspraul> the idea is that you can slowly 'dive in'
<wolfspraul> you start high-level, with 'NanoNote'
<newbie008> it's X
<wolfspraul> then you can dive into hardware, software, manufacturing, etc. whatever you like
<freespace> sp
<freespace> so "b" then
<wolfspraul> the more intuitive the 'diving into' is, and the deeper you can go, the better
<newbie008> I think we need to change these keys around so that enter selects, perhaps the shift other down shift buttons do the L& R
<wolfspraul> if you look at that Talk:NanoNote page you see I chose some 'reference' articles based on the quality assigned to them by Wikipedia's Project Computing effort
<wolfspraul> so I will start like that, at least that's the plan but since late March I never go to do anything! :-)
<freespace> well, you should make the captcha easier so us highly intelligent computers can do it :P
<freespace> i tried against last night when a captcha I thought I could read
<freespace> turns out i couldn't, again!
<wolfspraul> argh
<freespace> it is a dehumanising experience
<freespace> *bomtish*
<wolfspraul> I will do it today.
<wolfspraul> there is a math captcha
<freespace> lets do that
<wolfspraul> please understand this spam spots are nasty
<freespace> yeah
<wolfspraul> and then it's me who has to drag all this shit edits out one by one
<Xakh> wait wait, what level of math?
<wolfspraul> :-)
<newbie008> how to exit gmu ?
<freespace> alt-enter
<freespace> wait no
<freespace> that's gmu
<freespace> alt-ctrl-q
<newbie008> that work
<newbie008> alt+enter
<freespace> alt-enter worked?
<newbie008> yes
<freespace> ok well there you go
<Xakh> i'm going to be organizing this late at night, and there may be drinking involved here, so let's not make this too challenging?
<freespace> i submitted a ticket about these issues :P
<newbie008> we need to standardize on these keys,, but I am throughally impressed
<freespace> is a proflict complainer
<freespace> prolifict rather
<freespace> also can't spell worth a damn
<newbie008> the dictionary seems to freeze, I just see a flesh colored screen
<Xakh> sweet, right?
<freespace> wait for it
<freespace> takes about 90s for first run
<freespace> building index apparently
<freespace> see if you can reproduce the issue i had, which was you can't scroll a definition no matter what you do
<newbie008> ok it's up. I see a mouse, but no way to move it
<freespace> there is no mouse at all
<wolfspraul> also I think fonts are broken
<freespace> fonts were ok for me
<newbie008> there is a pointer in the dictionary program, looks like a mouse
<freespace> we should probably supply a directfbrc in /etc with no-cursor in there
<urandom_> mouse should be just disabled
<freespace> yeah, that's from directfb
<Xakh> so, guys, avoid math captchas, i am not known for my arithmetic skills
<freespace> at least i am pretty sure it is
<newbie008> after exiting starDict I see flickering around the top left corner of the screen
<freespace> i got that too
<freespace> not entirely sure what causes that
<newbie008> how do I exit this gui?
<wolfspraul> Xakh: we are only talking about anonymous edits in the wiki here
<newbie008> and what programs can I help work on?
<wolfspraul> so you can still create an account and there is no captcha at all, only for account creation
<urandom_> oh i really cant scroll in stardict but it worked in the last image
<wolfspraul> and maybe at that one occasion you will be able to do simple plus or minus math, like 4+7 = ?? :-)
<freespace> i forgot newbie008, sorry
<newbie008> urandom_: for me I needed to tabe before I could go up and down
<wolfspraul> urandom_: we need a test plan
<wolfspraul> too many regressions
<wolfspraul> another thing that is missing in the wiki
<urandom_> wait no it works
<urandom_> yeah we need a plan
<Xakh> i suppose so, it's 15, right? ;) jk
<urandom_> but it is flickering extremely while scrolling
<newbie008> entering the clock and leaving it removes the flicker
<newbie008> I do not think there is a way to exit this gui, I've tried every button
<urandom_> oh and it doesnt properly quit if it isnt run from gmenu2x
<eharrington_> I use ctrl alt F1 to exit, saw it somewhere
<urandom_> newbie008 well i do crt-+alt+f1 and then ctr+c, that works
<wolfspraul> newbie008: ctrl-alt-f1 to console (enter is enough)
<wolfspraul> ctrl-alt-f5 back to GUI
<wolfspraul> ctrl-alt-f2 .. f4 are other consoles
<newbie008> I did the ctrl+alt+f1 and got to a text screen which said something like "jz-codec <-> ..."
<wolfspraul> newbie008: press 'enter'
<newbie008> then ctrl+c, which now says "Please wait while the graphical enviroment is loading..."
<newbie008> ah enter now gives me the console
<Xakh> hey, is there a way to add a user yet?
<newbie008> thanks all
<Xakh> we're here to help!
<newbie008> yeah I want to get a couple of thin clients and use this computer giving my entire family a login
<newbie008> I'm off to /dev/null  if there is a bug list on the wiki I'll start looking at it
<Xakh> oh, and i lost my button for shorting. what's recommended for a substitute?
<larsc> tinfoil
<Xakh> or is there another way into usbboot?
<urandom_> press u on startup if you have a working and newer bootloader
<Xakh> epic.
<Xakh> can i keep the battery in?
<urandom_> maybe but i think it might cause problems
<Xakh> hm.
<eharrington_> If I use 'halt' to shut down then 'u' & 'm' power up seem to work better
<urandom_> oh i cant use my wiki account for projects?
<Xakh> xiangfu: i'm gonna start work organizing the wiki tonight. you got anything you want added there?
<xiangfu> Xakh: no.
<Xakh> alright, just checking.
<wolfspraul> urandom_: Xakh keeping the battery in should not cause problems.
<wolfspraul> if it does, it's a bug in how the system is shutdown
<wolfspraul> so if you want to be totally safe and sure you are starting from a fully unpowered state, sure remove the battery
<wolfspraul> but if we get software perfect, it shouldn't matter
<urandom_> i think some people reported problems with keeping battery and i had the problem myself (but might have been somthing else that caused it, hard to tell)
<urandom_> wolfspraul why do we have to create an account for projects and one for the wiki?
<wolfspraul> urandom_: not enough server admin resources :-)
<wolfspraul> wiki = MediaWiki, projects = Indefero
<wolfspraul> of course a joint account system would be cool
<wolfspraul> but realistically I think it won't happen anytime soon, there are so many other more high-priority tasks, lower hanging fruits...
<wolfspraul> I will try to do the visual math captcha on mediawiki today, for anonymous edits
<wolfspraul> (or account creations)
<wolfspraul> then I should test the OpenID login, but probably not today
<urandom_> thats sad cause many people will think "oh i found an issue lets report it, oh wait i have to register, nah just forget about it"
<wolfspraul> true
<wolfspraul> totally agree
<urandom_> and yeah i understand there is other importand stuff to do
<wolfspraul> let's do it step by step
<wolfspraul> first make the captcha on the wiki easier
<wolfspraul> maybe someone can look into how we can hook Indefero into another account backend
<urandom_> i really should try to get some working toolchain for the ben ... one day
<xakh> I can just yank the cable out when I'm done with the flash?
<urandom_> yeah
<newbie007> hi, what is the difference between openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi, u-boot.bin, and uImage.bin ?
<urandom_> u-boot.bin is the bootloader
<urandom_> openwrt-xburst-qi_lb60-root.ubi is the root filesystem
<urandom_> and uImage is the kernel
<newbie007> ah, thank you
<newbie007> how does a group of programs become the root.ubi file ?
<newbie007> I want to try changing the files around then reflashing the device
<newbie007> if I come up with anything, I'd contribute it back
<urandom_> i dont understand your question, you want to build your own root filesystem?
<newbie007> well, I want to mess with the programs, I was thinking of changing the gui's help message to reflect the actual keys, then going from there
<newbie007> perfect
<newbie007> wow 6 hours
<newbie007> thanks!
<urandom_> ah and this stuff requires lots of disk space, so check if you have enough
<newbie007> it's funny this is the smallest linux distro ever
<urandom_> openwrt? well it was made for router
<urandom_> so it hast to be small