apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p0: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p392) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<zenspider> that was exciting. and tiring.
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<zenspider> and I already found my first bug in minitest 5 :)
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<darix> zenspider: so 5.0.1 soon?
<zenspider> eh. it isn't a high priority. I'm the ONLY one affected by it at this point
<zenspider> I'll do a regular release schedule for it
<zenspider> (tuesday)
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<mdedetrich> how would you go about emulating an SQL type join to merge 2 ruby arrays into a ruby hash (with one array having objects that references objects in the other array)
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<mdedetrich> (note that I know how to do this with 2 loops nested in eachother, but I want to know the more idiomatic way of doing it)
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<bnagy> mdedetrich: Hash[a.zip b]
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<bnagy> possibly. Not sure I completely understand the requirement
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<dingus_khan> herro
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<yorickpeterse> hello nerds
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<yorickpeterse> charliesome: so there's a bunch of aussies following me on GH/Twitter, what's up with that?
<yorickpeterse> this is all your fault btw
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<charliesome> yorickpeterse: i am sorry
<charliesome> i'll stop retweeting you
<yorickpeterse> my precious twitters
<yorickpeterse> hm, suppose I should take a shower at 12:00AM
<yorickpeterse> also, as usual, failed to wake up early on a Saturday
<charliesome> i think ruby should make $= work again
<charliesome> that shit was good
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<yorickpeterse> wat
<yorickpeterse> what are you smoking?
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<erikh> zenspider: please to be linking your blog on front page of zenspider.com
<erikh> I was trying to find one of your articles to link and got very lost
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<erikh> I'll send you a pm -- looking for your dependencies slides to link to a blag i'm writing
<erikh> anyone around that wouldn't mind reading a blag series I'm working on regarding gem activation?
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<erikh> there are going to be 2-3 parts to it
<erikh> this just got long, and was the initial ground to cover.
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<erikh> yeah if anyone does read that, hit the 'raw' button.
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<injekt> erikh: looks good
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<whitequark> erikh: yay, blogging
<whitequark> recall we've talked about module systems? I'm still interested in that
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<tarruda> in a native extension extconf.rb, how can I run some action when a library header is not found(such as downloading the library and building statically against it) ?
<tarruda> I have tried 'if not find_header(header_file)' after dir_config, but the build fails before I have a chance to download it
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<whitequark> tarruda: please do not download code in such fashion
<whitequark> if you really need that, you *absolutely* need to check SHA256 checksums.
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<tarruda> whitequark: I'm downloading and checking, but I only want to do that if the user doesn't have the native library I'm wrapping installed on the system
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<whitequark> tarruda: imo that's a bad design
<whitequark> from the user's point of view, how can he learn which variant of the library is going to be used?
<whitequark> what if he first installs the gem then installs the library via his package management system
<whitequark> always downloading a library, or just including its source in the gem (preferable) is much more clear
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<yorickpeterse> enjoy supporting a plethora of package managers
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: enjoy the presence of LD_LIBRARY_PATH
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<whitequark> on, like, anything
<yorickpeterse> heh
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<yorickpeterse> extconf.rb, grrrrr
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<darix> whitequark: putting libraries intree is crap
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<darix> whitequark: as fallback if no system library is found, maybe. but you should honor system libraries if found.
<whitequark> darix: because?
<whitequark> hint: it's not even a given that system library is version-compatible with your gem
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<whitequark> or was compiled with the flags you need, or...
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<darix> 1. pain to maintain. imaging e.g. libxml2 has a security bug ... have fun finding all copies on your system to fix said security bug. instead of just fixing the 1 system copy. 2. you can have 2 gems shipping different intree copy of the same lib with funny effects.
<darix> whitequark: that's why we have things like extconf.rb, configure, to test if the installed copy works for us.
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<whitequark> darix: the whole discussion revolves around downloading stuff from the internet
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<darix> whitequark: which is not a single bit better.
<darix> you just add another vector that can go bad and be exploited.
<whitequark> iff your gem must work (an external requirement) if there's no system copy, it should work identically if there is a system copy.
<whitequark> otherwise you don't even know which version it actually uses.
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<darix> whitequark: why not have the gem print a proper error message telling the user to install the library. so he is actually *aware* that this library is on his system
<whitequark> darix: that is what I am advising
<darix> good
<darix> whitequark: i saw too many gems really shipping intree copies -.-
<darix> or using begging upstream "cant you include that easy to install C library, so i can be lazy"
<whitequark> well... the whole concept of extconf.rb is kinda broken
<whitequark> you should really use FFI instead
<darix> e.g. as of now ... i think none of those "bring js runtimes to ruby" gems really honors system copies
<whitequark> I believe it's too much of a PITA
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<whitequark> e.g. tracking V8 internals, or even worse, *monkey internals
<whitequark> libv8 even ships a precompiled binary on linuxes
<darix> yeah "fun"
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<darix> lot's of extra pain for packager.
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<hadi> Hello, I wanted to know that can i learn ruby as my first programming language? if yes, can i have some links to some newbie-friendly books and tutorials? im sorry i know this question appears alot in this channel probably for multiple times, but googling didn't help me too much.
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<andrewvos> hi
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<andrewvos> Did freenode go down?
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<erikh> looks that way
<erikh> at least the server I was on did
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<injekt> uh
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<injekt> freenode is so poop right now
<lianj> so yesterdays reconnect are not my servers issue?
<injekt> lianj: I had the same issue
<darix> lianj: they just had a notice about someone ddos-ing freenode
<erikh> they're getting DDoS.. yeah
<darix> bcp38 cant be implemented and enforced fast enough imho
<erikh> oh man, did you guys see the article about DNS reflection almost taking down the internet in the UK?
<injekt> nope
<erikh> I don't remember where it was
<erikh> it's on cloudflare's blog
<erikh> an amazing story
<lianj> injekt: thanks, good to know
<erikh> darix: oh, DNS reflection is even more sinister
<erikh> basically abuses recursive DNS servers to generate fucktons of traffic by ... recursing to the network/host you want
<darix> erikh: with bcp38 implemented dns reflection attacks would be almost a non issue
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<erikh> darix: IDGI, there's no spoofing involved in reflection
<darix> because dns reflection attack needs spoofed udp packets
<darix> with small query but large response
<erikh> no it doesn't, it just needs open resolvers with recursion on
<erikh> you don't even need to use udp
<darix> erikh: i would love to see how you would do it with tcp
<erikh> the same way you would with udp
<darix> because your victim would need to handle the handshake
<erikh> right
<erikh> I mean, it's easier to mitigate
<erikh> but it's possible if you know where the traffic is going
<erikh> you should read the cloudflare post
<erikh> it's pretty crazy attack-wise
<erikh> basically letting tons of dns servers do the hard work for you
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<darix> erikh: yeah
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<darix> and what they do is asking via spoofed dns requests
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<darix> for records with large response
<darix> erikh: ironically
<darix> with the growing implementation of dnssec
<darix> you can even start using authorative dns as amplifier
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<darix> because dnssec responses are rather large
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<darix> so now dns server authors start thinking about throttling responses
<darix> sadly i doubt we will see enforced bcp38 anytime soon.
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<erikh> gotcha
<erikh> yeah, modifying the roots of the internet is kind of hard
<injekt> lemme have a word with some guys
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<erikh> ha
<erikh> lemme talk to a man about a horse
<erikh> there's the first part
<erikh> I'll write the second today most likely
<injekt> I wish I had time to blog I have like 5 subjects to rant about and I NEVER have things to blog
<erikh> I just try to explore a topic with words these days
<erikh> like.. gem activation
<erikh> or the chef resource collection
<erikh> it produces a useful post, and I get to leanr something too
<erikh> not big on opinion blogs really
<injekt> yeah
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<rue> Most stuff I read recently is “topic… words”
<erikh> rue: you have any opinions on this?
<erikh> err, the post that is
<erikh> I'd love to hear them
<erikh> it's pretty simple atm, but I hope to make it more advanced in upcoming parts.
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<rue> Maybe? I should read first, though that goes against my nature…
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<gnufied> so, I have contemplating writing a https://github.com/davidhalter/jedi like tool for ruby
<gnufied> looked at ripper and parser gem by whitequark
<gnufied> still the hardest bit seems like - getting exact completion requires you to execute the code
<gnufied> I am thinking of a half way through approach, unless someone has a better idea
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<gnufied> I am thinking for gems/libs loaded via Gemfile, we can walk the ObjectSpace and be assured that, that code won't change
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<gnufied> because working with https://github.com/dgutov/robe I quickly realized, code with invalid syntax makes such autocompletion/parsing engine instantly screwed up
<gnufied> so my plan is to - use approach as used in ^ library for loading gems from gemfile and then combine that with ripper data for user files
<gnufied> whitequark: does parser gem supports getting source location like ripper btw?
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: ping
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