apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.0.0-p195: http://ruby-lang.org (Ruby 1.9.3-p429) || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<Wardrop> Does anyone know what the best or most accepted method is for documenting methods defined at runtime, using RDoc?
<Wardrop> …or even YARD if RDoc provides no such facility.
<drbrain> Wardrop: what do you mean by "best or most accepted"
<drbrain> like "is there some best-practice"?
<drbrain> Wardrop: I recommend http://rdoc.rubyforge.org/RDoc/TomDoc.html if you need some structure
<drbrain> otherwise, write simple English
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<Wardrop> drbrain: "best or most accepted" meaning, what do most people do?
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<drbrain> most people write simple English with a goal of being readable by English as a Second Language (ESL) people
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<drbrain> mention your arguments and your return value, and describe usage examples in the class constant
<drbrain> let's see…
<drbrain> this is for ruby, so there's some extra rules you can ignore (like documenting private methods)
<Wardrop> I'm more wondering how RDoc facilitates the documentation of methods which it can't find. For example, how do I document these methods so they appear as ordinary methods in the generated RDoc documentation: https://github.com/Wardrop/Scorched/blob/master/lib/scorched/controller.rb#L163
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<zachlatta> How can I add a runtime dependency in my Gemfile?
<zachlatta> Or is that only done in the gemspec?
<Wardrop> drbrain: So to clarify, I'm wondering how to document metaprogrammed methods, not how to document methods in general.
<drbrain> Wardrop: yep, see link ↑
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<Wardrop> Cool, that seems to be what I'm looking for
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<zachlatta> Is true or false default for success in ruby?
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<zachlatta> not sure what to return on method successs
<lianj> an object or true
<zachlatta> and false on failure?
<lianj> yes, or nil
<zachlatta> thanks
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<zachlatta> what's the default return of methods?
<zachlatta> nil?
<rickhull> the last statement evaluated
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<zachlatta> will this method always return true then? i expect it to return nil https://gist.github.com/zachlatta/547fce8817d07b24296d
<zachlatta> whoops, nevermind. think i got it sorted out
<rickhull> an if condition which is false (not executed)
<rickhull> returns nil
<zachlatta> alright, thank
<zachlatta> *thanks
<rickhull> i would change line 2 to simply:
<rickhull> template_hash["message"] == "Not Found"
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<lianj> yea
<drbrain> ↑ yes
<rickhull> that expression will either be true or false
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<zachlatta> there was actually a typo in the link i sent you. here's the updated one https://gist.github.com/zachlatta/547fce8817d07b24296d
<zachlatta> i'm assuming i can simplify that to !template_hash["message"] == "Not Found" ?
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<drbrain> template_hash["message"] != "Not Found"
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<zachlatta> ah
<zachlatta> wow
<zachlatta> i'm not coding well today
<drbrain> one method call faster!
<drbrain> and one token shorter!
<zachlatta> :)
<zachlatta> thanks everyone
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<Wardrop> drbrain: Using the :method: syntax mentioned in the link you sent me, how do I document arguments. It seems to be break on the space character?
<drbrain> Wardrop: you can use :call-seq: or (I think, but it is not documented) :arguments:
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<mdedetrich> I am trying to trivial add all items in an array using the method described here http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1538789/how-to-sum-array-members-in-ruby
<mdedetrich> and I keep on getting invalid argument errors, has something changed with Ruby 2.0
<mdedetrich> so this doesn't work?
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<zzak> :D
<zzak> Wardrop: <3
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<erikh> hello
<erikh> friends
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<zzak> hi
<zzak> 25 minutes
<zzak> sweet spot
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<Wardrop> Any good free website monitoring services that anyone knows of? I'd be nice to have something that emailed me when one of my websites went down. Something that checks every 5 minutes or so.
<Wardrop> I know there are a lot of free monitoring services out there, but a lot of the free one's are really convoluted and only usually check once every half hour at the most
<zzak> unless you roll your own, its gonna be hard to find a good free monitoring service
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<zzak> there are plenty of reasonably priced services
<zzak> like newrelic for instance
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<drbrain> new relic will tell you you have errors even in the free tier
<zzak> they have a free tier?
<zzak> nice
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<drbrain> yeah
<drbrain> it shows you basics
<zzak> drbrain: do you think rubykaigi wifi will be reliable enough for keynote remote?
<zzak> i found out bluetooth is only ios -> ios for keynote
<drbrain> no idea, but you can create a network on your laptop
<zzak> oh! hadnt thought of that, good idea
<zzak> that will be perfect as i only need it for remote
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<Wardrop> drbrain: New relic seems nice, but I'm after something simpler with zero setup. I just want to say "Monitor this URL and tell me if something happens"
<drbrain> Wardrop: maybe https://www.pingdom.com?
<drbrain> I've never used pingdom
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<Wardrop> drbrain: Not free unfortunately. Not paying $10/m for a dumb website checker which is all I need.
<Wardrop> drbrain: I'm compelled to create my own service as I can't be the only one after something like this. If you keep it dumb and light, a low cost
<drbrain> yeah
<Wardrop> …a low cost virtual server should be able to monitor thousands of websites
<lianj> prolly even a heroku instance
<Wardrop> lianj: Yeah, exactly. If you're not downloading images, bandwidth requirements would also be low.
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<Wardrop> If I was feeling really ambitious, I could create a distributed system, where anyone could bring up their own agent.
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<erikh> zzak, hahaha
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<NemesisD> anyone ever used minitest::spec with rr?
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<dingus_khan> fart
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<newbie0086> hello
<newbie0086> has some one form china?
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<newbie0086> morning
<drbrain> Newbie0086: not that I know of
<newbie0086> just test ,my irc client has some Problem
<newbie0086> can not see the whole line
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<newbie0086> helo
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<niaobulashidawan> hello i am comming
<niaobulashidawan> nice to meet u
<niaobulashidawan> fine thanks
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<Newbie0086> hello
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<Newbie0086> hello
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<Newbie0086> anybody here?
<Newbie0086> i want to ask a questione
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<Newbie0086> anybody here can reply?
<erikh> you just asked one though
<erikh> now two
<erikh> you only get one
<erikh> seriously though, you should just ask your question
<Newbie0086> ok tks just a test ^_^
<erikh> :)
<erikh> what is your question?
<erikh> I know you're looking for someone who can speak chinese, but try in english and I will try to respond.
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<Newbie0086> aha yesterday i got the book about ruby , now begin
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<Newbie0086> i know my poor English but i try hard
<erikh> it's ok -- just try to ask your question, I'll try to figure it out :)
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<andrewvos> charliesome: Your last tweet literally made me LOL
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<erikh> hi folks
<erikh> ttps://gist.github.com/5642179
<erikh> bah
<erikh> debugging fun problems @ work
<erikh> I know 2.0 changed thread locals, can anyone verify that's portable?
<erikh> not quite sure *how* they changed though
<erikh> it seems portable, but I'd rather not deliver shit code
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<erikh> especially because hte person in question is a junior
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<andrewvos> Huge earthquake off Russia
<erikh> wow, 8.2
<charliesome> andrewvos: ;)
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<andrewvos> erikh: You're not in CA are you?
<andrewvos> erikh: Oh it seems like there won't be a tsunami
<andrewvos> Wow good news
<andrewvos> Have family there :|
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<erikh> yeah, I'm in the bay
<erikh> pretty far away from the ocean though.
<erikh> I don't have that kind of money
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<andrewvos> Cucumber "#World". Discuss
<whitequark> >Cucumber
<andrewvos> whitequark: ?
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<whitequark> andrewvos: you're talking about the BDD tool, right?
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<andrewvos> Yes
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<whitequark> just don't touch it.
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<andrewvos> heh
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<andrewvos> I'm paid to touch it though
<andrewvos> BUT NOT ANYMORE
<andrewvos> This contract ends today
<matti> ?
<andrewvos> Did anyone join this channel after the "heh"
<andrewvos> Cause that would be awkward
<matti> I resumed my screen, yes
<andrewvos> Well then you have the full history
<andrewvos> So not awkward
<matti> TL;DR
<andrewvos> I am basically Captain Obvious today
<matti> Oh, right.
* matti taps andrewvos on the back
<matti> andrewvos: Its Friday, so don't sweat.
<andrewvos> YUP!
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<yorickpeterse> andrewvos: re: captain obvious, wasn't that obvious already?
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<andrewvos> yorickpeterse: I guess
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<zzak> erikh: :(
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<erikh> ?
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<bradland> trying to sum two values in an array of hashes using inject, but i'm failing to understand something: https://gist.github.com/bradland/fc2db6ed771ab7ff3c5d
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<canton7> bradland, the return value of the block you pass to #inject matters
<canton7> as in, it takes the return value from the block, and uses that as the 'sum' argument to the next block call
<bradland> canton7: ah, ok, so that's why sum is nil on my next iteration
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<canton7> there #each_with_object (beware, the parameters are the other way around) which is similar, but cares about how you're modified 'sum', rather than the block's returnv alue
<bradland> or, 8
<canton7> yeah, 8 would make more sene
<canton7> *sense
<bradland> my local code (with more debugging puts after the addition) was returning nil
<bradland> which was a light bulb moment
<canton7> ah yeah, that figures
<bradland> the docs are useful too, heh: "In either case, the result becomes the new value for memo. At the end of the iteration, the final value of memo is the return value for the method."
<bradland> so used to using it just for simple sums of arrays that i got to thinking memo was some kind of magic :)
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<canton7> "the result being the return value from the block. Yeah not too clear
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<zzak> what do you guys call "<<" methods?
<zzak> append?
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<andrewvos> add?
<zzak> Like Array#<<
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<zzak> that doesnt even work in ri :(
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<canton7> zzak, it's very similar to #push... Both are append operations
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<whitequark> zzak: "left shift operator"
<whitequark> which is (ab)used as an alias to push.
<whitequark> it used to be bitwise left shift in c-family of languages.
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<canton7> whitequark, almost an alias to push
<whitequark> almost?
<canton7> push accepts one or more arguments
<canton7> << just accepts the one
<whitequark> oh right
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<zzak> so use push
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<injekt> push it real good
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<erikh> DOW DE DOW DOW DOW DE DOW DE DOW DE DOW DE DOW
<injekt> erikh: how was your first day?
<erikh> pretty good
<erikh> these guys are pretty cool folks
<erikh> all turbo nerds lik eme
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<injekt> awesome!
<injekt> nerdin' it up
<erikh> went to anime night with some of the people
<erikh> last night
<injekt> heh
<bradland> \o\
<bradland> /o/
<erikh> bradland: I like where this is going
<erikh> \m/
<bradland> haha :)
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<erikh> berb
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<whitequark> erikh: what did you watch?
<erikh> ?
<erikh> oh, ghost in the shell
<erikh> classic.
<injekt> zenspider: pong
<erikh> it's 8am his time
<injekt> ping pong kim jong
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<injekt> then he should be up!
<erikh> haha
<erikh> you know programmers.
<injekt> im out the gym at 8am!
<injekt> when I go
<injekt> :D
<erikh> heh
<erikh> bart is delayed
<erikh> so, MOAR CHAT
<injekt> I have later starts with new company which is kinda blah
<erikh> I'm getting in early today
<erikh> there's no real gate at our work, if anything it's like 11-4
<erikh> ok, gonna lose intertubes soon.
<erikh> lata.
<injekt> goodbai
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<apeiros> godbay
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<rue> Ooh, trains
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<judofyr> choo choo choo
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<injekt> zzak: looking at arrrcamp tickets
<injekt> zzak: if there's still some in 2 weeks I'll get one
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<injekt> zzak: me and vicky already have those 2 days booked of for holiday so I can drag her along and she can eat chocolate or something
<zzak> injekt: follow them on twitter, usually people can't make it and will resell their ticket
<zzak> i will bring my cat, and they can adventure together
<injekt> haha
<injekt> she would like that
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<injekt> zzak: have you booked flights for that yet?
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<zzak> no, i probably will wait
<injekt> heh
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<zzak> should i make a stop to the UK on the way? haha
<injekt> zzak: i was gonna say that yeah, I'll have to work before but you could head back to London with us after for a couple days or something, or before, whatever works
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<zzak> that would be awesome, we'll see what happens. still plenty of time to figure it out
<injekt> yup
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<erikh> herrrrrp
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<dominikh> hurr.
<injekt> hizzurp
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<erikh> sizzurrrrrp
<rue> erikh: You’ve gone all SF, man…
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<erikh> rue: hahah
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<bradland> i'm missing something basic about the difference between do...end and {...}
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<bradland> inject will accept a {...} block, but a do...end block throws an error indicating that the first argument to inject() isn't a symbol
<whitequark> bradland: priorities
<apeiros> bradland: they have different precedence
<whitequark> yes, precedence ^
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<apeiros> foo bar do … end # is foo(bar) do … end
<whitequark> apeiros: will explain this better :)
<apeiros> foo bar { … } # is foo(bar { … })
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<bradland> so {...} is passed as an argument, but i'm not sure i understand do...end
<bradland> it's not an argument ?
<apeiros> both are passed as an argument
<apeiros> but they bind differently
<bradland> ok, i'll look more in to curly braces vs do end
<apeiros> foo bar { … } # is foo(bar { … }) is the same as foo(bar do … end) - it is passed to bar, not to foo
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<apeiros> foo bar do … end # is foo(bar) do … end is the same as foo(bar) { … }, it is passed to foo, not to bar
<bradland> ah, so it's a matter of the receiver
<apeiros> and in your case, you do `puts … do … end`
<apeiros> so the block is passed to puts, not to inject
<bradland> i see
<apeiros> and in that case, inject expects a symbol as first argument
<apeiros> >> [1,2,3,4].inject(:+)
<eval-in> apeiros => 10 (http://eval.in/31440)
<bradland> because no block is passed
<bradland> yep
<bradland> that makes sense
<apeiros> this is one of the reasons I use {} for blocks where I want the return value, and do/end where the side-effect counts. it more often "naturally" matches what I write.
<apeiros> (it is not the main reason, though)
<bradland> the puts is just for debugging in this case
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<apeiros> sure. but you still want the return value :-p
<apeiros> even without the puts
<bradland> that one works with do ... end. is this a case where you'd use {...} ?
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<apeiros> that one works because there's no method in front of the inject. I'd still use {}
<bradland> when you say do ... end "side-effect", are you referring more to operations where work is being done inside the block, like the block form of File.open ?
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<bradland> re-reading, i think i can answer that myself
<bradland> and it makes sense
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<apeiros> yes. changing state and/or IO
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<apeiros> zzak: what was the url for your ruby documentation project?
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<ddfreyne> zenspider: Why is SystemExit part of Minitest::Test::PASSTHROUGH_EXCEPTIONS?
<ddfreyne> I find it annoying personally
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<ddfreyne> (My CLI throws SystemExits, and I need to test that)
<ddfreyne> I work around that by modifying PASSTHROUGH_EXCEPTIONS but it feels a bit icky.
<drbrain> ddfreyne: you don't assert_raises SystemExit do … end
<drbrain> ?
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<ddfreyne> drbrain: I do, but accidental SystemExits are not caught, and just stops the process with no indication where it exited
<drbrain> yeah
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<ddfreyne> So yeah. I don't like SystemExit being part of that list :)
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<spike|spiegel> well, I don't like the fact that at_exit is hijacked in the first place to do of all things, run a test suite
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<ddfreyne> spike|spiegel: It only is if you call #autorun
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<zenspider> ddfreyne: so take it out
<zenspider> ddfreyne: it is just an array...
<zenspider> also... accidental SystemExits?
<zenspider> libraries shouldn't (almost NEVER) call exit
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<zzak> zenspider: y u no tweet me
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<zenspider> zzak: mostly, grammar and spelling
<zenspider> :P
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<zzak> oh i see how it is
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<ddfreyne> zenspider: Yeah, I took it out in my tests. I only call #exit in my CLI, which is fine IMO
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<zenspider> ddfreyne: *nod*
<zenspider> I realize now that "take it out" was vague... I meant take SystemExit from PASSTHROUGH_EXCEPTIONS
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