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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<jammanbo> Inside a Proc, is there some way to access self in the caller's context? I thought maybe it was caller, but it seems not.
<Burgestrand> jammanbo: you can execute the proc in another context with instance_exec
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<jammanbo> hmm
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<jammanbo> that might do it
<Burgestrand> jammanbo: or pass in the caller’s `binding` as a parameter to the proc
<Burgestrand> jammanbo: the latter one is arguably slightly more dodgy
<jammanbo> yeah, I was trying to avoid the latter
<yorickpeterse> jammanbo: you mean something like `Proc.new { self_that_changes_depending_on_the_caller }` ?
<yorickpeterse> You'd have to use instance_exec / instance_eval for that like Burgestrand mentioned
<jammanbo> yorickpeterse: yeah
<jammanbo> looking into it now, thanks
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<Burgestrand> I have a platform-specific gem released for arm-linux, but rubygems is picking the pure-ruby version of my gem when I do gem install from my little arm-linux computer. Why? I have platform-specific gems for x86-linux, x86_64-linux, x86-mingw32 and universal-darwin too and they all are chosen correctly.
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<jammanbo> looking good, thanks. Well … the code fairies are crying, but I'm getting my way :)
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<yorickpeterse> Burgestrand: my guess is that it doesn't detect it as ARM
<Burgestrand> Hm. Never mind, I think I just figured out why. Turns out `Gem.platforms` contain the gem platform “armv6l-linux”, but it does not match my “arm-linux”. i.e. armv6-linux !== arm-linux, but arm-linux === armv6-linux
<Burgestrand> yorickpeterse: yeah, something similar to that ^
<yorickpeterse> heh
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<Burgestrand> I used to be able to override it, but now it appears bundler is more aware of platforms than it was half a year ago, so now bundler overrules my decision to install arm-linux gem, and installs the pure ruby version as well, and goes ahead and uses that. Bah.
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<corecode> hi
<corecode> is there a syntax to do a multi-level array destruct?
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<corecode> like [[a,b],[c,d]] = ary
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<toretore> yes, with ()
<t4nk407> i want to to install ruby using rbenv, but instalation takes too much time and cpu, why ?
<toretore> foo, (bar, (baz, quux)) = [1, [2, [3,4]]]
<toretore> t4nk407: it's compiling
<t4nk407> How much time it takes ?
<toretore> until it's done
<corecode> hehe, parentheses?
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<corecode> hail for asymmetrical syntax
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<apeiros> shoutout to people lamenting on syntax without understanding implications.
<t4nk407> @toretore is there anyway to skip compiling ?
<toretore> no
<apeiros> yes. skips installing ruby too, though :)
<t4nk407> oh, then i have to wait, right ?
<jhass> t4nk407: http://xkcd.com/303/ take the chance
<apeiros> t4nk407: rvm has binary installs for some platforms/rubies
<whitequark> corecode: you'd have to use `let' if you wanted it to be symmetric
<whitequark> well, a prefix keyword
<whitequark> or say goodbye to a LALR parser
* apeiros off for a bit
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<corecode> whitequark: :)
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<yorickpeterse> what's up with MRI 2.1 raising dumb errors for IO related stuff
<yorickpeterse> "Connection reset by peer @ io_fillbuf - fd:11 "
<yorickpeterse> the fuck is that io_fillbuf doing there
<yorickpeterse> same goes when you try to read non existing files
<yorickpeterse> "Errno::ENOENT: No such file or directory @ rb_sysopen - foo"
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<whitequark> seems like it's trying to be helpful and give more info about the error
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<yorickpeterse> except the message is now super cryptic
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<darix> what is so cryptic about it?
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<yorickpeterse> It's cryptic in that it doesn't actually help me in any way
<yorickpeterse> It also reads super goofy
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<gnufied> those error codes returned by system calls...
<gnufied> so I dunno what ruby can do there.
<gnufied> :-)
<yorickpeterse> It would be more useful if it said something like "No such file or directory: foo in rb_sysopen() at line #123123"
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<yorickpeterse> but even then it's totally useless because average Alice probably doesn't give a darn about the C function
<gnufied> errno are universal and well understood return codes
<gnufied> that work well across all unixes and languages
<yorickpeterse> ok lets just return error codes in that case
<yorickpeterse> that will totally work out fine
<yorickpeterse> ERROR: 0x912389123908132
<yorickpeterse> easy to google!
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<gnufied> you don't understand what errno is, then!
<yorickpeterse> My point being, I don't see the added value of this stuff in error messages
<gnufied> I see your point. :-)
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<gnufied> I am just trying to say, errno's are not ruby invented cryptic error codes, they have a universal meaning
<yorickpeterse> I was talking about the "@ rb_sysopen" crap, not Errno::ENOENT
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<c0d3_k1ra> Can any body tell me how do i join irc channel for ruby on rails?
<apeiros> c0d3_k1ra: you register your nick with nickser (/msg nickserv help)
<apeiros> and then you can join
<c0d3_k1ra> Thanks apeiros trying right away
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* apeiros thinks they really should forward to a channel which informs newcomers about that
<apeiros> though, IMO that should even be handled on ircd level
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<yorickpeterse> The trials of becoming a Rails "rockstar ninja turbo nerd" require you to first figure out how IRC works
<oddmunds> :)
<yorickpeterse> Then you need to clap your hands twice and say "Basecamp" at midnight in front of a mirror
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<yorickpeterse> Then the ghost of Biggy Hansson comes and shows you the way
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<ColdBlooder> Hey. When i have a new struct stored, how cn i output it if it has a specific key?
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<dean_fields> Hi does anyone use and know of any tutorials/books/resources for the official elasticsearch gems?
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<elia> nope
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<apeiros> ColdBlooder: Struct#members gives you all attributes of a struct
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<banister> apeiros swiss salaries are huge
<banister> apeiros i just out your average net salary is 4K
<banister> which is more than twice the dutch monthly salary
<apeiros> banister: swiss living cost are huge
<banister> apeiros but apparently your living costs are huge, ya
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<banister> apeiros so i should work remotely for a swiss company \o/
<apeiros> I could buy ~5 houses in the US for what I paid for this apartment
<apeiros> banister: heh
<yorickpeterse> banister: enjoy potentially getting taxed in 3 countries
<apeiros> banister: I'd love to work for a swiss company in thailand
<banister> yorickpeterse nah i'll get them to setup a dutch payroll ;) same as my current gig
<apeiros> swiss salary, thai weather and life style
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: and the boys
* yorickpeterse is a terrible person
<banister> apeiros yeah, american salaries aren't bad either, i have a friend who works remotely for an SF company and he lives in vietnam
<banister> he's saved more than 100K in the past few years
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: I don't think my wife would approve. but the massages… oooh hell yes! :)
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<banister> apeiros "massages"
<banister> :D
<apeiros> banister: no. massages. not "massages". the latter are certainly good too, but I'm quite happy with the former already :)
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<banister> apeiros my recent holiday to vietnam if you asked for a massage you'd still get a "massage" anyway, you had to really push to get a proper massage, and then, they didn't really know what they were doing, seems "massage" is what they're trained to do…
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: well honestly, if somebody were to say they are 1) white 2) living in Thailand 3) working in IT abroad I'd be pretty fucking suspicious
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<apeiros> banister: I have no problem to believe that. when in holiday in thailand, I spend a day finding a good massage parlor
<yorickpeterse> banister: No shit, there's a pretty big difference between giving somebody a good ol' fashioned and an actual massage
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<yorickpeterse> One involves monotone vertical movement, the other violent punching on the back
<yorickpeterse> or some tiny Asian standing on top of you from what I've been told
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<centrx> drbrain, Is there any particular reason some of the user agents in Mechanize pretend very old versions?
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<darix> centrx: you can always set a more recent one no?
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<centrx> darix, The user agent is set with aliases defined here: https://github.com/sparklemotion/mechanize/blob/master/lib/mechanize.rb#L114
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<darix> centrx: you can also just set agent.user_agent to a string
<centrx> Hmm, good to know
<centrx> Thank you that will be useful
<centrx> Still, the defaults should not have Gecko/20030516 Mozilla Firebird/0.6 as the version for "Windows Mozilla"
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<darix> centrx: why does it matter?
<apeiros> browser sniffing
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<darix> apeiros: then you shouldnt claim to be firefox in first place maybe?:)
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<apeiros> darix: eh?
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<apeiros> not sure about the logic of that one :)
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<webby_> hello
<webby_> i'm having trouble with Array#pack
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<webby_> ["B0160004A3DEF431"].pack('H*') returns "\xB0\x16\x00\x04\xA3\xDE\xF41"
<webby_> it completely tosses out the 3 near the end
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<wallerdev> webby_: what do you mean?
<webby_> maybe i'm just understanding pack completely wrong
<webby_> i essentially want to convert that 16 length string to hex with \x prefixed
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<jhass> you confuse presentation with value
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<jhass> >> "\x31"
<eval-in_> jhass => "1" (https://eval.in/146807)
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<jhass> >> 0x31 == '1'.ord
<eval-in_> jhass => true (https://eval.in/146808)
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<wallerdev> yeah
<eam> webby_: in other words, ruby isn't creating a string with \x escapes -- it's creating a string of binary and when irb pretty-prints it it happens to use \x to show it to you
<webby_> oh
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<eam> the "1" isn't escaped because it's a normal old character that can be displayed in a string without escaping
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<eam> 1's ascii value is 0x31
<wallerdev> so all you really want to do is just put x in front of every 2 letters? lol
<webby_> i didn't realize that
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<apeiros> 19:19 webby_: i essentially want to convert that 16 length string to hex with \x prefixed
<apeiros> literal \x`
<apeiros> ?
<apeiros> as in, puts "\\x04" --> \x04
<webby_> this was for a binary message, so likely i understood the implementation wrong
<apeiros> webby_: do you understand that "\\" is a single backslash, "\x00" is a single byte (the null byte) and "\\x00" is 4 bytes (backslash, x, zero, zero)
<apeiros> ?
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<webby_> i think eam got it right
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<webby_> apeiros, i didn't know that i do now thanks
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<eam> we're all explaining the same thing, apeiros and jhass are showing you more of the surrounding logic
<Burgestrand> tbh the output of ["B0160004A3DEF431"].pack('H*') is kind of confusing
<apeiros> indeed, eam
<webby_> i recently upgrade a new codebase from Ruby 1.9.3 to Ruby 2.1.1 and recently got ASCII-8BIT to UTF-8 encoding issues
<apeiros> though I explored the possibility he really wanted "\\x00"
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<webby_> exit
<webby_> (facepalm)
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<gnufied> rb_class2name crashes ruby
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<cout> huh
<cout> Object#display, never knew about that
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<cout> couldn't figure out why I couldn't have an OpenStruct member called display
<cout> seems like it should work though, since new_ostruct_member() gets called
<apeiros> undef it
<cout> I know I can do that
<cout> I just don't understand why it wants to call the base class #display
<cout> oic
<cout> unless self.respond_to?(name)
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<toretore> Object#display is an abomination
<cout> agreed
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<yorickpeterse> Fucking Java
<yorickpeterse> ugh, Jruby, brrrrr
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: nobody said you should have intercourse with it…
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<yorickpeterse> I'd rather shove a lego up my bum
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<yorickpeterse> FINALLY
<yorickpeterse> it compiles
<yorickpeterse> Jesus christ that required a lot of boilerplate and digging through piles of JRuby/Nokogiri code to figure out how the fuck to do this
* apeiros read "it complies"
<yorickpeterse> because of course the last stuff I can find on JRuby exts is from 2010 and not even complete
<yorickpeterse> "THIS IS HOW YOU WRITE AN EXTENSION" - doesn't mention half of it
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<yorickpeterse> e.g. how just a require() to the jar file apparently *isn't* enough
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<gnufied> yo, got this odd problem. I am accessing frame information of ruby during GC and currently my program crashes ruby (no surprises there)
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<gnufied> but the problem is, ruby does not print complete backtrace on console, but it writes it to a .plist file in ~/Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports
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<gnufied> I am working with debug symbols enabled version of Ruby (and my extension has that enabled too)
<gnufied> I just find it hard to work with a plist file
<gnufied> well, I guess I can move this to Linux.
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<wallerdev> gnufied: you can always use plutil
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<gnufied> aha,
<gnufied> there is another plain text file
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