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<Arch4ngel> Hey all, what's up?
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<certainty> bah, of course a single byte does not suffice. We need 9 bits. I shouldn't speak when I'm in hurry
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<maloik> ugh, debugging something without tests and with massive amounts of technical debt
<maloik> I'm pretty sure I'll want to shoot myself by the end of the day
<yorickpeterse> Hey welcome to a large portion of my codebase
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<yorickpeterse> take babby steps when dealing with that stuff
<maloik> easier said than done
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<yorickpeterse> I think it's taken me about 6 months to get our scrapers from 0% test coverage to 60%
<maloik> worst thing is this is a bug in an invoicing part of the product
<maloik> so there's money involved
<yorickpeterse> Excluding all the planning prior to that
<maloik> == headaches
<yorickpeterse> heh
<yorickpeterse> Please tell me you're not using floats for currencies
<maloik> lets see
<maloik> decimals \o/
<maloik> :-(
<maloik> that's not the problem though, difference is too big
<yorickpeterse> ha
<maloik> I'm pretty sure it has to do with the cached totals for an invoice, where the lineitems are then changed afterwards
<yorickpeterse> ha
<yorickpeterse> You might want to double check you haven't lost money over the past few months
<maloik> fuck that
<maloik> I'm not touching that part, seriously
<maloik> we've already said we won't add any features anymore, unless they go for a full rewrite
<maloik> (which they will, at some point)
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<maloik> but yea invoice totals not being correct is a bug so it needs to be fixed now
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<yorickpeterse> Thank raptor Jesus I don't do financing
<yorickpeterse> Instead I mainly deal with dumbass websites that can't set proper status codes
<yorickpeterse> Page missing? Here, HTTP 200
<maloik> :-)
<maloik> "the 404 page rendered OK, here's a 200"
<yorickpeterse> Pretty much
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<yorickpeterse> At least these websites tend to display some message like "Sorry, this place is closed!"
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<yorickpeterse> Meanwhile I'm updating stuff to 2.1
<yorickpeterse> on a Monday, the only day when everybody logs in like crazy
<yorickpeterse> welp
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<yorickpeterse> blegh, getting a Mongoid 2 codebase to run on Mongoid 3 is not as easy as I hoped for
<yorickpeterse> quite a bit changed, hmpf
<yorickpeterse> 15 libraries hijacking method_missing doesn't make it easier to debug stack traces either
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<yorickpeterse> It's also nice that Devise spits out deprecation warnings for stuff we don't even set/use
<yorickpeterse> "Devise.foo = true is deprecated because bla bla" <- option not set anywhere
<ari-_-e> yorickpeterse: that probably means that the deprecated option is still the default
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<yorickpeterse> Could be, but then it's bullshit to warn somebody about it
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<yorickpeterse> That is, if they don't set it nor can change it, why the heck bother?
<ari-_-e> you can't change it?
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<yorickpeterse> I can probably do "Devise.foo = false" but if it's going to be removed, why should I set that?
<ari-_-e> oh, so it's saying that Devise.foo is deprecated?
<ari-_-e> or Devise.foo = true?
<yorickpeterse> "[DEVISE] Devise.use_salt_as_remember_token is false which is no longer supported. Devise now only uses the salt as remember token and the remember_token column can be removed from
<yorickpeterse> your models."
<yorickpeterse> That's an example
<yorickpeterse> That option is not referenced anywhere
<yorickpeterse> Perhaps some plugin somewhere deep down sets it
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<ari-_-e> so you could do Devise.use_salt_as_remember_token = true, yes?
<yorickpeterse> You're missing the part where that option will apparently be removed
<yorickpeterse> Thus if I do that I again have to change it some time soon-ish
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<ari-_-e> yorickpeterse: where does it say that it will be removed?
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<yorickpeterse> Considering they say it's not longer supported, it's a boolean with no alternative, I'm pretty sure it will be removed
<yorickpeterse> What's the point of setting an option if you can only ever set it to a single value?
<ari-_-e> yorickpeterse: you're making assumptions
<yorickpeterse> ..
<yorickpeterse> Gee, lets see
<yorickpeterse> We have a boolean option
<yorickpeterse> You can set it to true or false
<yorickpeterse> Setting it to false, which doesn't happen in my code base, is not supported
<yorickpeterse> So that leaves us with `true` as the only possible option
<yorickpeterse> Hm, I wonder what will happen to that option
<yorickpeterse> https://github.com/plataformatec/devise/issues/2746 oh and there's this
<yorickpeterse> so no, I'm not "making assumptions"
<ari-_-e> I suppose it depends on whether it was actually set somewhere
<ari-_-e> whatever
<ari-_-e> you're right
<ari-_-e> never mind
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<ari-_-e> yorickpeterse: I was thinking of a case like this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20361428/rails-i18n-validation-deprecation-warning
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<ledestin> if coffeescript, function argument declared as @foo makes assignment of the argument to @foo. would be nice to have in Ruby too.
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<apeiros> I don't even
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<yorickpeterse> That has been proposed before
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<ledestin> yorickpeterse: so why they refused to do it?
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<yorickpeterse> Hold on, looking up the ticket
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<yorickpeterse> So it's not refused, just not decided upon
<ddv> lol 2 years
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<ledestin> yorickpeterse: thanks
<yorickpeterse> Personally I don't see a lot of value in it
<yorickpeterse> The next step people will request is something like `def initialize(@age.to_i); ...; end`
<yorickpeterse> and soon Ruby will look like Haskell
<ddv> or CoffeeScript
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: I'd find it nice to have param assignment treated like lhs of a parallel assignment
<apeiros> just for consistency reasons
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<ledestin> yorickpeterse: I don’t like to_i either, but just @foo would be nice
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<Silex> About the initializer, there's this gem https://github.com/barsoom/attr_extras
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<Silex> ari-_-e, yorickpeterse: ^^
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<yorickpeterse> meh
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<whitequark> yorickpeterse: all the clarity of haskell without any of the power
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<whitequark> great idea
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<yorickpeterse> "clarity"
<yorickpeterse> I'd rather look at snuff porn than Haskell
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<yorickpeterse> wait maybe not, depends on the code
<yorickpeterse> I think
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<surrounder> lol
<whitequark> that's the point
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<yorickpeterse> weeee, one Rails app to 2.1
<yorickpeterse> inc a somewhat newer list of Gems
<yorickpeterse> That was quite the surgery
<ddv> I wouldn't touch ruby 2.1 for the time being
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<yorickpeterse> You're about 2 weeks behind my own findings
<yorickpeterse> Except for memory usage 2.1.2 is ok
<yorickpeterse> Have to keep an eye on our Rails apps though, don't want them to explode memory wise
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<DefV> what's bad about 2.1?
<DefV> I'm running on 2.1.1 and memory usage is fine
<ddv> Because of problems with the new generation GC.
<ddv> generational*
<lianj> DefV: upped 20% here
<ddv> I have some API's that didn't release memory aanymore
<ddv> anymore*
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<yorickpeterse> DefV: Memory usage can almost double on 2.1.1 depending on your app
<yorickpeterse> e.g. it did in our case
<DefV> oh boy
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<yorickpeterse> 2.1.2 in combination with GC tweaks brought it down to acceptable levels
<ddv> our apps just ate all the memory :P
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<sluukkonen> are the default GC settings in 2.1.x still useless for any kind of real app?
<yorickpeterse> Timings wise?
<yorickpeterse> No
<yorickpeterse> I would say 0,02 ms for a GC run is pretty allright
<sluukkonen> I remember e.g. RUBY_GC_MALLOC_LIMIT (if that still exists) being set ridiculously low in previous versions
<sluukkonen> (been using jruby for ages, so not sure what the GC situation is in MRI right now)
<yorickpeterse> I would say that GC wise MRI is about 10 years behind JRuby/Rbx
<yorickpeterse> Timing wise it's not bad, but having a concurrent GC would be pretty darn nice (*cough* JRuby/Rbx *cough*)
<sluukkonen> like you used to get multiple collections per request in a hello world rails app
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<DefV> how do you guys go about tuning the GC? any thing I should read / know?
<ddv> You shouldn't have to tune the GC.
<DefV> Given my knowledge of Ruby is quite good, but that of Garbage collectors is limited
<bougyman> DefV: take a look at yorick's gist
<DefV> yes, that's a bunch of numbers that work for him :-)
<bougyman> so you check them against your workload.
<bougyman> they either help, hurt, or change nothing
<yorickpeterse> DefV: read the two links in that gist
<yorickpeterse> First step is monitoring stuff for a few days
<yorickpeterse> e.g. we use....
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<yorickpeterse> That's one small part of it though
<yorickpeterse> We log a bunch of other metrics
<yorickpeterse> In this case I spent a week or 3 looking at those metrics, adjusting things, looking again, repeat
<yorickpeterse> errrr should add what `gc_size` is too
<yorickpeterse> Basically that returns `GC.stat[:heap_length] * 16384`
<yorickpeterse> or `Rubinius::GC.size` in case of Rbx
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<yorickpeterse> (heap size in bytes)
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<yorickpeterse> I used the two articles linked in the Gist as a reference point
<yorickpeterse> Ideally one wouldn't have to tune this crap unless they are El Github but alas
<yorickpeterse> (we never tuned the GC on 1.9.3 for example)
<bougyman> i've never tuned in 2.x, either.
<bougyman> though I keep in mind I may have to, thus far we haven't seen the problems.
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<yorickpeterse> Yeah like I said, the need depends on your app's behaviour
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<crankharder> given an instance of Nokogiri::HTML::Document - anyone know how to remove specific elements from it?
<yorickpeterse> Nokogiri::HTML('...').at('.foo .bar .baz').remove
<yorickpeterse> Basically you query the object then call #remove on it
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<crankharder> excellent, ty :)
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<yorickpeterse> That's one way of solving problems, just disable them!
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<naquad> is there some light-weight non-rails (sinatra, ramaze, rack based, whatever) admin panel like active_admin or similar?
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<golivag> hi all I have download this repository https://github.com/saasbook/ruby-calisthenics for some ruby coding exercises. I would like to use autotest but it seems to ignoring the spec directory ... any clue about why?
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<roelof> Hello, Can i have something like this in ruby x > y ? y -= 1 puts y : x -=1 puts x
<roelof> or can I then better use the normal if then structure
<apeiros> just use normal if/else
<apeiros> you shouldn't use ternary like that in other languages either
<roelof> apeiros: thanks
<roelof> is there no other way I can do this ?
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<centrx> roelof, encapsulate that calculation in a method that doesn't distinguish between x and y
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<centrx> roelof, hard to tell without knowing what it's for and what the other code is
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<roelof> centrx: im doing one of the last exercises of CodeAcademy. Here is the exercise : http://pastebin.com/uhgsCPbc
<roelof> and here is the code I wrote till now : http://pastebin.com/SZiWw6MV
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<centrx> roelof, How does the x > y ? y -= 1 puts y : x -=1 puts x fit in
<roelof> centrx: I have this so far : pin_number == pin ? (@balance -= amount) : (pin_error)
<centrx> ok it becomes much easier when only one variable is changed
<centrx> the example code you asked above either changed x or y depending on the conditional
<roelof> oke, The problem is as soon as I do (@balance -= amount; puts "Withdrew #{amount}. New balance: $#{@balance}." ) I see a message that : is expected instead of the ;
<roelof> centrx: ^^^^
<centrx> roelof, Here is how I would do that method: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/77157d30175f177cca13
<yorickpeterse> hail hydra
<centrx> roelof, similarly for the display method
<apeiros> *sob*, clever code…
<apeiros> roelof: if you use ; in code, you're doing it wrong.
<roelof> apeiros: I know , thats why I see the error
<apeiros> except if your aim is to write unreadable, badly maintainable code.
<roelof> nope , I want to learn to write good readable code
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<roelof> centrx: I do not see how I can make it work so if someone has a bad ping the error is schown and otherwise this message : puts "Withdrew #{amount}. New balance: $#{@balance}."
<apeiros> roelof: just write it out as multiple statements
<centrx> roelof, That's what return pin_error unless valid_pin?(pin_number) does. The rest of the method will only be executed if the pin is valid
<centrx> roelof, So you can put any messages you want -- one line at a time
<roelof> centrx: Wait a minute. Can I not just place that as the last statement. As I understand the code right . if the pin is not valid the error message is return. So if the pin-code is valid the rest of the module is executed
<roelof> Am I on the right track
<roelof> oke, I see that you already answered my question , You beat me by a minute centrx
<roelof> centrx: I think I understand the way this works. I think this is working better then the ternary option in most options
<centrx> roelof, It makes the code much easier to read and understand, either when you come back to a project later, or if someone else needs to figure out how your code works
<roelof> yep, that is also what i mean. I completed the CodeAcademy course
<roelof> now more practice hopefully with the exercism.io exercises so I can learn more and more
<roelof> centrx: or do you know a better site for practising Ruby more
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<centrx> roelof, I'm not familiar with exercism.io, you might like to try Ruby Koans or Ruby Monk
<roelof> oke, thanks, Im also looking at this site http://www.codewars.com/?language=ruby
<centrx> roelof, First two questions there look good
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<roelof> centrx: time to sleep. Im stuck at the second challenge. I will sleep about it
<centrx> Good luck
<roelof> thanks for the help
<roelof> centrx: I think the error is in the other_name part
<centrx> you can run it and it will give you the error message
<roelof> yep, im wrong. It does not know the name part. which I find wierd
<roelof> Got it
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<headius> yorickpeterse: I'd say GC wise rbx is about ten years behind JVM ;-)
<headius> MRI isn't even in the same league
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<nofxx> headius, yeah, MRI doesnt crash frequently
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<nofxx> or try to use all the ram and cpu in the world
<nofxx> isn't that GC work ? =D
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