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<t4nk031>
I'm new to ruby, and was wondering if there was a better way to write a Cache in rails than class level hash to hold data that I'm getting from an external web service. If there's a more ruby way, what is it and what terms should I google?
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<jwing>
what's the best / proper way to execute a block of code upon instantiation of a class (not upon initialization) ? So basically, when the code is 'required' in, it immediately executes a block of code.
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<oddmunds>
just put it somewhere in the class?
<jwing>
what I am trying to do is read in a file of default values such that upon initialization, they can be used. I don't want to read in those values every time the class is initialized.
<gnufied>
yeah, put that in class body
<oddmunds>
i guess you'd rather want a class variable that doesn't read the file if it is already read
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<gnufied>
outside any method
<jwing>
ok. thanks
<apeiros>
jwing: use a class method with @config ||= pattern
<apeiros>
jwing: having external dependencies on require comes with its own share of problems
<DefV>
wondering if headius is constantly lurking or just hilight on jruby
<apeiros>
Kero: ah, missed the subclass part
<Kero>
def X.coerce(other) -- this one is never called.
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<headius>
apeiros: yeah, JRuby 9k will be either 2.1 or 2.2, depending on how close we get to 2.2 release
<headius>
but we should be "caught up" from then on
<apeiros>
Kero: works too
<headius>
DefV: the latter :-)
<Kero>
and I'm mostly surprised, since I remember using coercion in 1.6 times, when it worked :) though bigdecimal might not have existed at that time, and certainly not as stdlib
<Kero>
apeiros: try X.new + 1.23 ?
<apeiros>
Kero: I can't reproduce. I updated my code and it calls coerce just fine with X < BigDecimal too (had to redefine ::new, seems BigDecimal overrides that)
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<apeiros>
Kero: that'll call 1.23.coerce(X.new)
<apeiros>
unless your class can deal with it
<apeiros>
ah, again… you subclass bigdecimal
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<Kero>
apeiros: I suppose it does call 1.23.coerce ; but that in turn triggers X.coerce on 2.0 and 2.1
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<apeiros>
headius: nice
<Kero>
curious about the ::new that you need, though.
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<apeiros>
I still only have small things which use jruby (OCR/QrCode stuff)
<apeiros>
Kero: BigDecimal.new wants an argument :)
<apeiros>
I guess I should just have passed one
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<Kero>
mm, overriding .new does help to get <#Euro rather than <#BigDecimal in printed numbers. useful in any case
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<Kero>
#<Euro
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<Kero>
read over that typo at least twice, today. some additional info about what I did in the 6 years is pending, but I'm unhappy with the phrasing (so not pushed, yet)
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<chris2>
prehaps you should limit the line-length, add a bit more margin. the pages look pretty wall-of-texty
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<Kero>
agreed. front page also is too-far-to-the-left
<chris2>
and i fear your target audience would prefer bullet points over paragraphs :P
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<Kero>
mm, probably. shortening text is always the hardest part. so this is useful feedback for me.
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<chris2>
i mean, it makes sense when one reads it, but gathering information by glimpsing is a bit hard
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<Kero>
splitting over pages, or highlighting certain phrases may help. I'll go over it, but not today. read the texts too many times today already.
<Kero>
chris2: what's your msc thesis about?
<chris2>
verification of a model checker
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<Kero>
cool, what specifically?
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<chris2>
i write a model checker for µ-calculus that outputs a certificate
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<chris2>
and then i implement a decision procedure to verify formally that when there is a certificate, the check was good
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<Kero>
let's see if I get what you say; the model checker outputs a certificate (or not), claiming something about the lambda-calculus (lambda, yes? unicode f*cked up here)
<chris2>
mu-calculus
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<cout>
lambda mu
<cout>
er, moo
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<chris2>
well, the classic problem with model checking is that if you refute the expression, you can give a counter example
<Kero>
when there is a ceriticate, you claim (w the decision procedure) that the model checker did its job
<chris2>
but if you say it's correct, you need to believe it
<chris2>
but with such a certificate, you can prove quickly that its correct
<Kero>
ah, that helps.
<chris2>
(model checking can take exponential time, but certificate checking is polynomial)
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<cored>
hi
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<cored>
I'm trying to scrap all the assets from a site using nokogori; my first implementation search for the <script tags to search for javascript and for the type='text/css' to get all the css files
<ericwood>
seems reasonable enough
<cored>
but if there are any element that use a image within the css I won't be able to retrieve that image
<whitequark>
then you also need to parse css
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<cored>
I see
<ericwood>
whitequark: if he just removes all style tags and link tags he's fine
<whitequark>
what have you expected? :)
<ericwood>
assuming I understand the problem
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<whitequark>
ericwood: well, if you throw out all assets, you clearly don't need to download them
<whitequark>
could as well browse with lynx
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<ericwood>
whitequark: I think he's scraping stuff and doing something weird with it
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<whitequark>
ericwood: I'm sure cored can speak for himself
<cored>
ericwood: not weird
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<cored>
hehehe
<cored>
I'm trying to build a site map for our homepage s
<ericwood>
whitequark: no, I do the speaking 'round here
<whitequark>
why do you need images in the sitemap at all?
<whitequark>
or scripts
<ericwood>
cored: why not just pull out anchor tags and build a graph
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<ericwood>
then generate the sitemap based on that info
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<r_s_h>
For hashes, how do you discard a key but retain the value? Is there something more simple than assigning the value to a variable and wiping out the hash?
<eam>
where would you want to retain the value?
<banister>
r_s_h hash.delete(:key)
<banister>
>> h = { hello: "baby" }; h.delete(:hello)
<wallerdev>
its okay someone a couple days ago was asking for a fix for rails 1
<jwing>
{:value=>:ttl, :class=>Symbol}
<jwing>
blame RHEL.. they don't like to believe in the present.. or close. ;-)
<apeiros>
wallerdev: lol. I bet they were jumping to fix that bug
<apeiros>
jwing: blame the person using RHEL
<apeiros>
jwing: blame the person thinking he has to stick with the package manager™
<jwing>
they all are of class Symlob
<jwing>
Symbol. Not my choice I'm afraid. :/
<apeiros>
jwing: in 1.8, Symbol could not be matched using =~
<apeiros>
key.to_s =~ /./
<jwing>
ah.. thanks
<yorickpeterse>
jwing: use EPEL if you can use that on RHEL
<apeiros>
jwing: well, it will never be your choice if you don't make a stink
<yorickpeterse>
I think EPEL has 1.9 in it
<jwing>
They already think I stink enough. ;-)
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<yorickpeterse>
Hm, apparently EPEL does not have Ruby
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<yorickpeterse>
but it does have RVM, lol
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<eam>
EPEL has rubygems but they're 1.8
<badeball>
apeiros: sticking with the package manager is usually a nice, but there are better distros out there (in terms of not having only outdated packages) than redhat (which is terrible at pretty much everything)
<badeball>
s/nice/nice idea/
<eam>
lots of good reasons to use the package manager - the world isn't webapps
<apeiros>
damn, stuck in the 18th level of portal :(
<eam>
badeball: redhat is pretty much the only serious choice for large scale stuff
<badeball>
eam: I don't believe for a second
<eam>
badeball: empirically observable :)
<yorickpeterse>
eam: I hope you are currently high on crack
<badeball>
eam: thihi
<eam>
show me a large scale development enterprise (>5k developers on a common platform) using anything but
<eam>
software lifecycle is really important
<apeiros>
eam: does google use redhat?
<yorickpeterse>
eam: Amazon
<yorickpeterse>
AWS to be exact
<eam>
yorickpeterse: their development platform is on ?
<eam>
apeiros: inhouse from what I hear, they've replicated the work RHEL does
<yorickpeterse>
eam: AWS pushes really hard on Amazon CentOS and considers it the defacto default. It's based on CentOS, which is based on RHEL, but it's pretty darn different from both
<eam>
yorickpeterse: sure, centos/scientific/rhel are the same thing
<eam>
it's not differnet at all
<eam>
it's just a rebuild without the limited components
<yorickpeterse>
Amazon Linux is pretty fucking different
<eam>
fully compatible
<yorickpeterse>
and it's not fully compatible at all
<yorickpeterse>
Don't spread lies
<eam>
yorickpeterse: oh amazon linux
<eam>
yorickpeterse: I'm asking you, what do they develop on
<eam>
not what do they provide for containers
<eam>
that's what I'm talking about
<yxhuvud>
wallerdev: I'm quite certain we have a old legacy ticket system that still use rails 1.x. I've spent like half an hour updating it in the 4 hours I've been working here :P
<yorickpeterse>
They haven't provided that info that I know of
<badeball>
eam: I'm won't claim that redhat does not have anything of use, but most platforms does not consist of anything even remotely close to >5k developers
<eam>
anyone running a huge software development shop is going to care about lifecycle problems that RHEL-alikes solve and that other distros typically just don't address
<yorickpeterse>
Amazon in general is not very open about their behind-the-scenes stuff
<eam>
and anyone who doesn't have those concerns is going to be "omg old packages" and may even run gentoo or something ridiculous
<eam>
different needs for different undertakings
<eam>
The "E" in RHEL is instructive
<yxhuvud>
uh, 4 *years*
<eam>
4 years is a fairly short lifecycle
<yxhuvud>
it was already old when I started though.
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<yorickpeterse>
Also word has it Facebook uses some weird custom Linux flavour
<yorickpeterse>
Though it's hard to come by recent info
<yorickpeterse>
Google uses an Ubuntu flavour for development
<yorickpeterse>
I can dig up more if you'd like
<yorickpeterse>
Case in point, saying that you need RHEL for large scale is bullshit
<eam>
google does a lot of crazy platform stuff, they patched their linker I hear
<yorickpeterse>
Saying it's a popular choice, for whatever reason, is valid
<eam>
popular is relative. RHEL-family wins hands down for enterprise and large scale
<eam>
unless you're large enough to roll your own
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<eam>
ubuntu wins for small stuff
<eam>
everything exists for a reason
<yorickpeterse>
<eam> badeball: redhat is pretty much the only serious choice for large scale stuff
<yorickpeterse>
I think I just disproved your point above
<yorickpeterse>
but w/e
<eam>
yorickpeterse: where?
<JohnHirbour>
RHEL is super slow for php updates… (we're mixed language here.. migrating away from php at least)
<yorickpeterse>
eam: read up
<eam>
yorickpeterse: I did, I didn't see any counterexamples
<yorickpeterse>
Stating it's "pretty much the only choice" when there's pretty big companies running something other than RHEL
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<eam>
yorickpeterse: didn't see any running a non-inhouse custom setup
<badeball>
I still maintain a feeling that everyone I've come cross that uses redhat shouldn't have and would have been equally or better of just using something else (however, I have not "come across" amazon, google or facebook)
<yxhuvud>
I believe using redhat/centos as a starting point for building company specific distros is pretty common. I know we do that, and we are not a large enterprise by any means (10 devs)
<eam>
yorickpeterse: I apologize for not sharing details btw
<eam>
I'm not going to talk about company internal stuff on irc, but I am well aware of what the big players do internally
<yorickpeterse>
eam: I get your point that RHEL certainly is the biggest player, but saying it's pretty much a requirement is dumb
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<yorickpeterse>
Either way, I think we can all agree that using RHEL for development is a bad idea
<eam>
yorickpeterse: the thing is, if you do a huge amount of custom development, having a stable base is of utmost important
<eam>
change management is a huge, huge concern
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<eam>
if you're just writing ruby, well, you don't care much
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<yorickpeterse>
True, but if you care that much about it you're probably not going to use a vanilla Linux anyway
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. Amazon using their own Linux flavour to have more control
<eam>
but if you're building kernel modules and huge inhouse serving stacks then it's really useful to build on something with a known lifecycle (so you can spin up teams accordingly)
<eam>
yorickpeterse: yeah, when you're REALLY big you can do that
<eam>
but they essentially are building on the framework RHEL architected
<yxhuvud>
eam: right. you update the packages you need to, and have stability elsewhere.
<eam>
yxhuvud: well, generally you roll updates into an app deploy, distinct from the system
<eam>
who cares if /usr/lib is old, $APP/lib is new, etc
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<eam>
it's a container
<yxhuvud>
we don't do that, but yes you are probably correct.
<eam>
that's more or less also why the folks who do use RHEL don't care about "new packages"
<eam>
generally
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<darix>
eam: which is wrong
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<darix>
they care about stable packages and the latest of their pet packages
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<eam>
darix: eh?
<darix>
eam: from my experience people want everything stable on their server
<darix>
but usually use the latest greatest for their actual workload
<eam>
why is that wrong?
<eam>
darix: consider: applications with inhouse code have a deployment process which is focused on rollback -- odds are HIGH your code may have an issue
<darix>
i dont say that is wrong. but you said they dont care about new packages.
<darix>
and from my experience they do care.
<eam>
much lower barrier to change and un-change vs updating systemic components like a kernel or core library which touches all things
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<eam>
darix: oh, yes, I agree. I mean they don't care about updating the system
<eam>
because you can always carry what you use with a deploy
<eam>
and for the most part (but not always) if you think you need to upgrade your kernel to make your app efficient you're wrong
<eam>
uniformity of environment trumps micro-optimizations
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<eam>
bundler is good for that, btw. Dealing with ruby apps using system-wide gems is just pain
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<j`ey>
anyone had any luck with gem install nokogiri on OSX 10.9?
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<j`ey>
I get missing libxml errors
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<chris2>
apeiros: Can we ban Felipe from the ML? If he's been a positive contributor in the past, perhaps it can be a temporary ban.
<chris2>
haha :D
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<apeiros>
I don't think you can people from the ML :)
<zenspider>
I suspect his changes are correct, tho there might be more issues as he and I had different issues at different times. I definitely saw a faulty command, but that might be a tangent after his fix is applied
<j`ey>
zenspider: thanks, I'll bookmark that
<zenspider>
just watch it, and youll get updates
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<j`ey>
can I watch an issue?
* j`ey
clicked subscribe, whatever that does
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<zenspider>
that should work
<zenspider>
looks like a fix is in from knu, and mike is gonna ship it
<j`ey>
is mike tenderlove?
<j`ey>
and by "ship" it, do you mean, change the gem, so I can just try again in X hours?
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