apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<whodunnit> The documentation for Time says "uses a signed 63 bit integer, Bignum or Rational. The integer is a number of nanoseconds since the Epoch"... But see now way to access this integer of nanoseconds directly. Is there a way?
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<whodunnit> I'm trying to do time addition/subtraction, with no loss of precision to 9 decimal places. I settled on converting seconds to nanoseconds, integer addition/subtraction, then converting back to a float.
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<whodunnit> I'm wondering if there is a more direct way. Floats have no precisions, and experiements with bigdecimals and rationals (Time.now.to_r) aren't much improvement
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<maloik> yorickpeterse: I know about the name :-(
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<maloik> might suggest changing it for the next edition, get rid of the barcamp connotation while we're at it
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<wnd> uh, I'm so glad that normally I don't have to deal with Rails...
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<ljarvis> moin
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<ljarvis> til github uses nanoc, did you kow that ddfreyne?
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<yorickpeterse> morning
<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: yes it's on the nanoc website
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<ljarvis> oic
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<Ja_Re_Ax> I'm having difficulties compiling ruby-2.1.1 on windows :-/ I run the configure.bat in the win32 directory but when I run nmake I get the error "-IE" not recognized as an internal or external command... the ruby source code is located on E:/.../ruby-2.1.1/ and the -IE is the first part of an include statement in the Makefile...
<Ja_Re_Ax> Anyone that have come across anything of similar nature?
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<Ja_Re_Ax> Why have ruby become a dependency in qtwebkit :-( its a nightmare to compile from source on windows
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<yorickpeterse> Ja_Re_Ax: you should bring that up with the people running qtwebkit
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<apeiros> Ja_Re_Ax: why do you compile it from source then?
<apeiros> there's binary installers available for windows afaik
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<whitequark> it is a dependency? that's odd
<Ja_Re_Ax> A requirement is more accurately put. I'm download and extract the source -> go to the win32 directory (through a vc10 prompt) and type "configure.bat" whereafter it says "Creating Makefile.new \n type 'nmake' to make ruby" -> I type nmake and starts compiling the files, but when it reaches the linkage for miniruby.exe I get 24 linking errors.
<Ja_Re_Ax> linking miniruby.exe
<Ja_Re_Ax> file.obj : error LNK2005: _rb_file_expand_path_internal already defined in file.obj
<Ja_Re_Ax> dir.obj : error LNK2019: unresolved external symbol _rb_str_encode_ospath referenced in function _dir_initialize
<Ja_Re_Ax> file.obj : error LNK2005: _rb_file_load_ok already defined in file.obj
<Ja_Re_Ax> file.obj : error LNK2005: _Init_w32_codepage already defined in file.obj
<Ja_Re_Ax> load.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol _rb_str_encode_ospath
<Ja_Re_Ax> aso...
<Ja_Re_Ax> miniruby.exe : fatal error LNK1120: 24 unresolved externals
<Ja_Re_Ax> NMAKE : fatal error U1077: '"c:\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft Visual Studio 10.0\VC\BIN\cl.EXE"' : return code '0x2'
<Ja_Re_Ax> Stop.
<Ja_Re_Ax> sorry for the spam :-/
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<yorickpeterse> Please use a pastebin such as gist.github.com for pasting code
<workmad3> Ja_Re_Ax: btw, checking the history of the 'build on windows' page, ruby has been needed for building qtwebkit for at least 18 months now
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<Ja_Re_Ax> As far as I could see in the readme file the only requirements were visual studio + windows xp (or higher)
<workmad3> Ja_Re_Ax: and the revision that first mentioned ruby (from 18 months ago): https://trac.webkit.org/wiki/BuildingQtOnWindows?version=44
<whitequark> oh right, they have some weird assembly generator in ruby or something
<Ja_Re_Ax> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aac958cdd30089ebd728 ty yorickpeterse :) didn't know about that page (will come in handy in the furture, I'm sure)
<ljarvis> dat windows
<yorickpeterse> I have plenty of windows over here
<yorickpeterse> They're all closed too..heh...heh..he
<ljarvis> heuheuheuheu
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<yorickpeterse> That pun was next level
<yorickpeterse> out of this world
<yorickpeterse> wow
* yorickpeterse slaps yorickpeterse around a bit with a large trout
<matti> Ohai yorickpeterse.
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<yorickpeterse> hai
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<yorickpeterse> well, it seems 2.1.2 got its shit together memory usage wise
<matti> LOL
<yorickpeterse> it's still higher than 1.9 but at least not as stupid high as in 2.1.1
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<apeiros> curious, what are the numbers in your case? i.e., how high was it with 1.9, 2.1.1 and 2.1.2?
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<yorickpeterse> That increase after the 28th is 2.1.1
<yorickpeterse> Basically 2x the memory usage
<yorickpeterse> The smaller drop after the 4th is some tweaking with ENV vars for MRI
<yorickpeterse> I haven't deployed 2.1.2 to production yet, only gave it some quick tests locally
<yorickpeterse> I'd have to measure it over a week or so to get an accurate reading
<yorickpeterse> But GC timings went down from 0,2 ms to 0,02 ms !!!111
<yorickpeterse> Yet average processing times are still the same
<yorickpeterse> Though CPU time did go down
<yorickpeterse> So far I'm not very impressed though by 2.1 in production
<yorickpeterse> Yeah it's fun that it boots up faster and all that, but 2x the memory usage is bonkers in 2.1.1
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<apeiros> I find it odd, that it uses twice as much memory. and it wasn't 32bit 1.9 vs. 64bit 2.1?
<yorickpeterse> It has always been 64bit
<apeiros> very odd then indeed
<yorickpeterse> ^ note the GC issues mentioned
<apeiros> I mean all I've ever heard was "now more inlined data!", "now less memory needed!"
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, lets see how 2.1.2 behaves in production
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<yorickpeterse> Oh yeah very nice for DO to just fucking reboot my server
<whitequark> <3 linode
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: "Note that if you want to disable generational garbage collection, you can specify 0.9 (any number lesser than 1.0) for RUBY_GC_HEAP_OLDOBJECT_LIMIT_FACTOR"
<yorickpeterse> Linode is expensive crap
<apeiros> might try this if you want to try longer GC timings for less memory usage
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: that begs the question, if it's so bad that you have to disable it, why the fuck is it there
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: I get "expensive", but how is it crap?
<apeiros> because there's use-cases where using more memory is acceptable price for 10x faster gc
<whitequark> also, I guess you're paying for your server not being randomly rebooted ;)
<apeiros> and probably because it's not x2 in all use-cases either
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: feature wise they were ok but I kinda lost faith after they supposedly got powned
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: I find it hard to think of a use case where 2x more memory is ok
<whitequark> yorickpeterse: everybody gets pwned at some point. it's how they handle the fallout which is important
<yorickpeterse> whitequark: See, they didn't
<yorickpeterse> From what I remember it basically was "lol nothing happened"
<yorickpeterse> When it was very clear that something *did* happen
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<whitequark> seems ok (and it seemed ok to me at the time, too)
<yorickpeterse> That's the one, I believe people afterwards showed that they did indeed gain CC access
<yorickpeterse> I actually requested a new CC as a result of that
<surrounder> ouch
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<yorickpeterse> and that they apparently had private keys or something in the root www directory
<yorickpeterse> Not sure if that was true though
<yorickpeterse> Either way, I wasn't too happy
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<yorickpeterse> Mostly the price drove me off though
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<yorickpeterse> For a server that serves some static HTML and IRC 45 USD a month is an overkill
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<whitequark> 45 USD?
<whitequark> I pay 30, and it's not even the cheapest
<Ja_Re_Ax> I figured out what my problem was in my previous posted problem. I assumed that you should make nmake in the directory where the configure makes the new makefile, but it should instead be run from the parent directory.
<whitequark> $20 for the smallest instance
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<yorickpeterse> whitequark: 30-35USD + backups if I remember
<yorickpeterse> "We've had to unfortunately reboot your Droplet europa.yorickpeterse.com due to an issue on the underlying physical node where the Droplet runs."
<yorickpeterse> derp
<yorickpeterse> 50 USD even
<whitequark> $25 for 2GB instance with backups
<yorickpeterse> Didn't they do some price changes a while back?
<whitequark> I'm looking at their pricing page right now
<yorickpeterse> I think I had a beefed up 2GB instance so it actually was 4GB or something
<yorickpeterse> (came with a bunch of free upgrades over the years)
<whitequark> yup, I too have a grandfathered plan
<yorickpeterse> Either way, 25 USD + 10 for backups (so 35) is still more than ~13 USD
<whitequark> then shut up and don't complain
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<yorickpeterse> 14,43 apparently
<yorickpeterse> which is like 5 Euros
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<yorickpeterse> close: 10 actually
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<darix> o.O
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<ljarvis> hmm
<ljarvis> where is banister
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<darix> ljarvis: not here?
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<ljarvis> darix: thank you, that's helpful
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<darix> ljarvis: :)
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<yorickpeterse> Today I discovered some feature we have
<yorickpeterse> I've been working here for little over 1,5 years
<yorickpeterse> I've never heard of this one thing
<yorickpeterse> and apparently it's used
<yorickpeterse> and now breaks things :<
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<Senjai> yorickpeterse: Hahaha
<Senjai> story of my life
<yorickpeterse> "Oh yeah that's a whitelabel thing for X, we've had that for 2 years now or so. Apparently it still works"
<yorickpeterse> ._.
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<cout> after(:all) { it "is a small world" }
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<metus_violarium> Hello. I've created a gem to manage month dates and objects, atttached to them like in table_builder gem, but I tried to make it more flexible (I hope). If somebody interested to take a part in that, to blame a code, to say that it's crap :) - you are welcome: https://github.com/violarium/calendar_walker
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<zenspider> rawr
<zenspider> how is everyone?
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<wallerdev> im good zenspider :)
<wallerdev> how are you?
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<GrooveStomp> good! :)
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<zenspider> wallerdev: I woke up today dreaming I was cramming for an abstract algebra math test. I prolly need to back off of project euler. :)
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<wallerdev> haha
<wallerdev> im not great at the super mathy problems on that site
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<zenspider> I'm not either... but I'm learning... Mathematica helps finding stuff a fair amount... but in some/many of the cases, I don't even know what words to use.
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<zenspider> like, I've never done stats/probability, so I'm at a total loss on that shit
<wallerdev> yeah haha
<wallerdev> i browsed through a few problems and just had no idea how to start
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<omosoj> Hey guys I just posted a question about a project euler problem (#37) in #ruby. Not sure if you all are in that room too.
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<omosoj> I think recursion is required to solve the problem, but I'm completely dumbfounded by it.
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<zenspider> omosoj: sec. catching up
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<zenspider> fuck... I've solved it, but don't have code for it. re-reading
<omosoj> I'm pretty sure I know how to do it on a very high abstract level, but don't know how to implement it.
<zenspider> eh. I don't think you need recursion
<zenspider> certainly doable with recursion... but also doable just using plain functional programming
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<omosoj> Hmm.
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<omosoj> Is your solution to create a loop that goes n times, n being the number of digits?
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<zenspider> again, I don't have any code for my solution... I was sloopy when I first started out on this.
<zenspider> I prolly did an inner-iterator with log10(n) steps
<omosoj> Hmm, k, thanks for the help.
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<Burgestrand> omosoj: I don't remember. Is there a time limit on how fast you should be able to compute the result?
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<zenspider> Burgestrand: should be <=1min
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<omosoj> Burgestrand, like how long the program should take? Not necessarily, but obviously the quicker the better.
<omosoj> Oh, hmm didn't know that. I've violated that limit a few times :p
<Burgestrand> :p
<Burgestrand> I have a solution. I iterate through all primes with Prime.each in stdlib, and keep a counter for how many truncatable ones I've found.
<Burgestrand> I find if they're truncatable by turning the number to a string, iterating through it's length, grabbing the right-to-left substring and left-to-right substring, and checking if both are primes, exiting early if either of them aren't. It's brute-force, but takes 29s on my macbook.
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<zenspider> obviously it depends on the computer you have. but given that many of these problems are 5-10 years old... it should be even quicker if anything
<zenspider> it'd be quicker if you used actual math. divmod is a Good Thing™
<omosoj> Burgestrand, do you truncate through the entire number (until there is one remaining?)
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<Burgestrand> Yeah, there's a some nice property to be abused here, but brute force works within the constraints :)
<workmad3> Burgestrand: I just did that, did a break when hit 11
<Burgestrand> omosoj: yes, from both sides
<workmad3> Burgestrand: took 20s ;)
<Burgestrand> omosoj: I should close down chrome!
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<omosoj> Yeah, you can probably solve these much faster (than I'm solving them) if you knew the math behind them. Can probably solve a lot of them without a computer heh
<Burgestrand> … wups. workmad3 ^
<Burgestrand> :)
<workmad3> Burgestrand: that was with a recursive method to check for truncation btw
<Burgestrand> omosoj: http://ideone.com/gKxHcm — don't click if you don't want spoilers. ;)
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<Burgestrand> omosoj: it doesn't calculate the sum, but that's easy.
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<Burgestrand> omosoj: or, well, sorry, I mean easy relative to the other parts of the code.
<omosoj> Gah you guys are fast.
<Burgestrand> omosoj: I probably did this one ages ago.
<omosoj> Thanks, Burgestrand. I need to learn all these new moves you have here.
<omosoj> workmad3, mind sharing your script?
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<workmad3> omosoj: nothing particularly special in it
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<omosoj> workmad3, thanks.
<Burgestrand> I like lazy enumerators.
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<Burgestrand> Changed my previous paste a little bit, abusing the lazy enumerator. It reads so nice. I miss haskell.
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<Burgestrand> workmad3: hah, monkeypatching Integer, how devilish
<Burgestrand> I like it
<workmad3> Burgestrand: I like monkeypatching integer for project euler :)
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<omosoj> Hey guys I need to step out for a while but I'm going to look through these two scripts very closely later tonight. Thanks so much for the help!
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<Burgestrand> omosoj: enjoy!
<Burgestrand> Not sure what's an appropriate response. I should probably leave too though. Bai.
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<zenspider> allPrime[n_] :=
<zenspider> all[Range[Floor[Log[10, n]]],
<zenspider> PrimeQ@Floor[n/10^#] && PrimeQ@Mod[n, 10^#] &]; Total@Select[Prime[Range[PrimePi[1000000]]], # > 10 && allPrime[#] &]
<zenspider> sorry
<zenspider> allPrime[n_] := all[Range[Floor[Log[10, n]]], PrimeQ@Floor[n/10^#] && PrimeQ@Mod[n, 10^#] &]; Total@Select[Prime[Range[PrimePi[1000000]]], # > 10 && allPrime[#] &]
<zenspider> ~4sec
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<drbrain> oops
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<zenspider> the exact same thing can be written in ruby in about the same amount of code
<zenspider> cleaner, even, since divmod
<zenspider> I should write one for mathematica
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