<yorickpeterse>
Might record things using my laptop
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<ndrst>
are you at the amsterdam meetup?
<yorickpeterse>
Yush
<ndrst>
lol love that part of the notes: Tell the audience that we're hiring and that they should grab me if they'd like to know more.
<yorickpeterse>
well that's how you roll during a presentation
<ndrst>
true.
<yorickpeterse>
10 minutes are dedicated to company promotion and how cool it is that you have a soccer table
<ndrst>
sounds like an interesting talk
* yorickpeterse
doesn't actually have a soccer table in the office
<yorickpeterse>
we have a Gamecube with Mario kart though
* apeiros
does
<yorickpeterse>
I don't think we have Super Smash though
* apeiros
should suggest a Wii U for MK8
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<yorickpeterse>
I like to promote us as "We're a normal company. We don't have soccer tables, LAN parties or booth babes"
<yorickpeterse>
"But we have a nice office, decent pay and fun challenges"
<ndrst>
and a ranting yorickpeterse for your amusement :p
<yorickpeterse>
Also I think we actually have more non Dutchies nowadays than Dutchies
<yorickpeterse>
ndrst: I keep that to the internet, usually
<ndrst>
d'awww
<ndrst>
yeah we are also hiring. and it's quite hard to find good people ):
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<apeiros>
finding people is easy, finding good people is indeed quite hard. had the same experience 2y and 3y back.
<yorickpeterse>
If I look around me I think one of the big problems is that many companies look for "Expert Senior Rockstar Ninjas" but give you nothing more than they'd give their toilet attendant
<yorickpeterse>
"BUT WE HAVE A SOCCER TABLE!!!11"
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<ndrst>
hmm no we are looking for someone who can bring something to the team and would fit it. payment and benefits are very good for berlin standards
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<ndrst>
in general a problem solver. Ninjas, Gurus and the rest can go somewhere else
<yorickpeterse>
Well yeah, of course it varies
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<ndrst>
preferred not a male
<ndrst>
but that makes it even harder
<yorickpeterse>
preferred even, wth
<apeiros>
we didn't have a single woman apply :(
<yorickpeterse>
eh, I'll be that guy to say that you shouldn't look for specific genders/races/etc
<ndrst>
yorickpeterse: yeah. we only have men and want to have a more mixed team
<yorickpeterse>
I think we have...a 50/50 split
<ndrst>
apeiros: true. I might be that our job adds are not very welcomeing. I am bad in judging this.
<ndrst>
yorickpeterse: that is great.
<yorickpeterse>
only white people though
<yorickpeterse>
That's a serious issue
* yorickpeterse
runs
<yorickpeterse>
Either way, I'm not sure what to do to make things more attractive to all
<ndrst>
it's even harder to get a diverse team.
<yorickpeterse>
Besides being good citizens and all that
<gnufied>
more hair gel.
<gnufied>
yorickpeterse: that works. :P
<ndrst>
haha
<yorickpeterse>
e.g. we don't put anything out along the lines of "WOMEN'S ONLY THURSDAY'S!!!"
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<yorickpeterse>
I would say scouting at meetups and other events (PyLadies, Rails Girls, etc) also helps
<yorickpeterse>
Though I strongly feel you should hire people for their expertise/attitude/etc instead of their gender, race, etc
<ndrst>
true. the sad part about this is that we don't have the ressources yet to bring a beginner junior on board and coach and help them ):
<ndrst>
yorickpeterse: I aggree with this. still there must be a reason why so little women apply for a job. and It might be that they are just not there, the job ad is shitt or something else
<ndrst>
It would be nice to have a 50/50 split but how do you get there?
<yorickpeterse>
One of the problems is for example inequal pay
<yorickpeterse>
* unequal
<yorickpeterse>
From what I keep reading there are plenty of scumbag companies that pay women less simply because they are women
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<yorickpeterse>
Another one, a more complicated one to solve, is the human attitude I would say
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<ndrst>
what do you mean with the attitude in detail?
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<yorickpeterse>
That is, if you have 50 guys and suddenly add 1 woman you might want to keep an eye on things just in case
<yorickpeterse>
But that depends on the people of course
<yorickpeterse>
I would say the first start is to pay people equal, give them the same benefits, etc
<yorickpeterse>
tl;dr don't be an ass because said person is not white male
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<yorickpeterse>
The social problems are harder to solve, look at GH for example
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<yorickpeterse>
They either require you to bang your head against a wall 15 times or to see other make the mistakes and learn from that
<ndrst>
I could not aggree more on the above said.
<fowl>
white mail has it better than other kinds of mail
<yorickpeterse>
(before you make the mistake)
<t4nk912>
Hi! I have a problem with encodings while working with google analytics cookies: i get utf8 strings, containing words in koi8-r and windows-1251. Is there a way to determine, which of encodings is used?
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<ndrst>
still doesn't solve the "propblem" of beeing able to create a team of all genders and colors. and by judging them by skills you don't make it better.
<yorickpeterse>
ndrst: So in risk of this getting taken out of context, do you need that?
<yorickpeterse>
ugh, how do I phrase this
<whitequark>
t4nk912: no.
<whitequark>
it is not possible to reliably determine the encoding of the text if you don't know it.
<yorickpeterse>
Put it this way, I don't see the strict benefit of hiring somebody for the sake of diversity
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<yorickpeterse>
(just for the diversity part that is)
<ndrst>
yes.
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<yorickpeterse>
So I would not start hiring random people just to complete your collection of humans
<t4nk912>
whitequark: any way to determine, which one of these two?
<yorickpeterse>
But yeah, start with marketing that you pay everybody equally nicely and all that
<yorickpeterse>
And one way or another actually state that in the adverts
<maloik>
I don't think I'd ever advertise like that
<whitequark>
t4nk912: not really.
<maloik>
as you said the scouting at meetups is probably the only thing I would do
<ndrst>
yorickpeterse: I think openeing the mind for hiring also non white male brown haired guys would make sense. as for many thats kind of the headhunterish hunting schema
<yorickpeterse>
It's because they are the dominant factor
<yorickpeterse>
So they're easier to get
<yorickpeterse>
(in theory)
<ndrst>
in the end it's a hard topic.
<ndrst>
so now back to writing more PCI crap
<yorickpeterse>
It's an interesting topic though
<ndrst>
yeah. I think by making the whole environment less Ninja, Guru and rude we could get also not so loud people in who are able to solve problems and create things.
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<CommunistChina>
hey
<CommunistChina>
how can I run a ruby script?
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<yorickpeterse>
ruby SCRIPT_HERE
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<yorickpeterse>
well that was very nice
<yorickpeterse>
Darn commies never say thank you
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<ndrst>
why should they?
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<banister>
yorickpeterse do you show implementation of a RDP yourself or you just use the tools in the demo?
<yorickpeterse>
banister: btw have you heard anything from Rob?
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<yorickpeterse>
I'll be showing my XML/HTML lexer/parser
<yorickpeterse>
or at least bits of it
<banister>
yorickpeterse yeah i have, he's ok now, he's with his family i think
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<yorickpeterse>
Ah, so he did have some sort of breakdown?
<banister>
yea
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<yorickpeterse>
dang
<banister>
yorickpeterse i blame the legacy rails code base at work ;)
<yorickpeterse>
heh
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<yorickpeterse>
Thank god I only have one of those
<yorickpeterse>
And that one will soon-ish be replaced
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<banister>
yorickpeterse we're fast moving to SOA and sinatra tho, so we just have one rails code base now i think
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<yorickpeterse>
SOA?
<banister>
yorickpeterse service oriented architecture, instead of having one monolithic rails app, we have a bunch of smaller sinatra apps that talk to eachother using APIs
<banister>
yorickpeterse it's pretty cool as we can use any langauge we want, i think there's a node.js service in there, and someone might be writing one in Go and haskell too
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<banister>
yorickpeterse since everything is hosted on heroku now we can easily deploy anything we want afaict
<banister>
otherwise i wouldn't have a clue how to deploy a haskell app, but there's service packs for heroku that just "fix it all up" so it works (or so i hear)
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<yorickpeterse>
Ah right
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<badeball>
I remember reading an article about refactoring away sigils in Ruby. I believe it might have been feature in rubyweekly, but I can't seem to find it. does it ring any bells to anyone?
<wallerdev>
that seems odd
<wallerdev>
what would you use instead?
<badeball>
attr_accessor instead of referring to instance variables, etc.
<wallerdev>
but sometimes you need to access the instance variable directly
<toretore>
sounds like a good idea to me
<badeball>
the artickle made some pretty good points and I wanted to pass it along to my colleague
<toretore>
sigils imply that the variable comes from "far away", that is, it brings more coupling
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<wallerdev>
next youll tell me i should use strings instead of symbols
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<toretore>
you should, most of the time
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* apeiros
still considers using accessors instead of ivars a silliness
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<apeiros>
the only point where it would make sense is if you subclass a class you don't own. but that's an anti-pattern of its own already.
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<xybre>
I use whichever makes sense. If I can put some informative errors in a setter I'll do that instead of putting those code in all the consumers. And besides, refactoring data into a process is much easier when the interface doesn't need to change.
<nofxx__>
toretore, don't agree... keep away of #to_sym might be good idea, but just using, symbol over string always
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<toretore>
i think that as a rule of thumb, one should try to reach as little out of one's scope as possible
<toretore>
definition of scope is vague in this rule
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<apeiros>
toretore: demeter?
* apeiros
knows toretore has a diametral view on ivars than he
<yxhuvud>
apeiros: I like accessors since they scream at me if I typo them
<apeiros>
yxhuvud: yeah, I absolutely hate ivar autovivify
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<apeiros>
if it was at least configurable
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<xybre>
Yeah thats the other thing, ivars popping into existence on first use.
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<toretore>
apeiros: kinda
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<mbelow>
hi, I am trying to display an image from the web in a GTK window. Fetching the image works, and displaying local images works too, but how can I get my web image into an GTK::image object? Here's my code. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aa4f27aa135bc59bc792 -- ruby complains about an implicit conversion from nil to integer
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<mbelow>
i am trying to convert the image using RMagick, is there a better way?
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