apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.2; 2.0.0-p481; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<cored> which is the difference between class Module::MyClass and module Module; class MyClass; end; end
<cored> ?
<cored> apart from the fact that the module needs to be define before using it with the class syntax
<whitequark> cored: in the latter case, you could address the constants defined in Module unqualified
<whitequark> in the former, you can not
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<whitequark> >> module Module; A = 1; end; module Module; class MyClass; p a; end; end
<eval-in__> whitequark => Module is not a module (TypeError) ... (https://eval.in/153776)
<whitequark> >> module Module1; A = 1; end; module Module1; class MyClass; p a; end; end
<eval-in__> whitequark => undefined local variable or method `a' for Module1::MyClass:Class (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/153777)
<whitequark> >> module Module1; A = 1; end; module Module1; class MyClass; p A; end; end
<eval-in__> whitequark => 1 ... (https://eval.in/153778)
<whitequark> >> module Module1; A = 1; end; module Module1::MyClass; p A; end
<eval-in__> whitequark => uninitialized constant Module1::MyClass::A (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/153779)
<whitequark> here you are
<cored> now I'm even more confuse
<whitequark> (the last two examples; the first two were my failures)
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<whitequark> what about?
* cored is going inside pry
<cored> hm
<cored> but your second example is not a class
<cored> is a module
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<cored> ok gotcha
<cored> is a way of encapsulation then?
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<whitequark> umm, not really
<whitequark> it's scoping
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<whitequark> when you are inside "class <ident>" or "module <ident>", <ident> is added to the constant lookup scope
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<whitequark> and <ident> could be a qualified (A::B::C) or unqualified (A) name, it doesn't make any difference
<whitequark> only the class/module that is the value of <ident> is used for lookup
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<jtoy> screen -x
<jtoy> hi
<wallerdev> hi
<jtoy> how would I search for this regex? v.gsub(/\#{name}/,"DDDD")
<jtoy> i dont actually want to do interpolation there
<jtoy> i want to match #{name}
<jtoy> I cant get that to match though
<whitequark> >> Regexp.escape('#{name}')
<eval-in__> whitequark => "\\#\\{name\\}" (https://eval.in/153871)
<jtoy> nm
<whitequark> here you are
<jtoy> I did have it
<jtoy> I wanted gsub!
<jtoy> doh
<jtoy> thx
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<lds_> Hi
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<unsymbol> morning
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<ndrst> moin moin
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<yorickpeterse> Finished my slides at 1AM last night
<yorickpeterse> did some tweaking in the train this morning
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<yorickpeterse> Solid planning right there
<maloik> slides for?
<yorickpeterse> Ruby meetup
<maloik> :-)
<yorickpeterse> Everything in Comic Sans too
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<surrounder> and rightfully so
<surrounder> one of the best ways to annoy nerds/hipsters
<yorickpeterse> I also wanted to use Hobo but I don't have that installed apparently
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<ndrst> pink slides with white font color?
<surrounder> hehe
<yorickpeterse> ndrst: Nah, I used a darker background colour
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<yorickpeterse> Bigger conferences I usually prepare more in advance, but this was pretty ad-hoc from the start
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<ndrst> too bad. what is it going to be about?
<yorickpeterse> Parsing
<tbuehlmann> will it be recorded?
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<yorickpeterse> Not sure actually
<yorickpeterse> I hope so
<yorickpeterse> Might record things using my laptop
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<ndrst> are you at the amsterdam meetup?
<yorickpeterse> Yush
<ndrst> lol love that part of the notes: Tell the audience that we're hiring and that they should grab me if they'd like to know more.
<yorickpeterse> well that's how you roll during a presentation
<ndrst> true.
<yorickpeterse> 10 minutes are dedicated to company promotion and how cool it is that you have a soccer table
<ndrst> sounds like an interesting talk
* yorickpeterse doesn't actually have a soccer table in the office
<yorickpeterse> we have a Gamecube with Mario kart though
* apeiros does
<yorickpeterse> I don't think we have Super Smash though
* apeiros should suggest a Wii U for MK8
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<yorickpeterse> I like to promote us as "We're a normal company. We don't have soccer tables, LAN parties or booth babes"
<yorickpeterse> "But we have a nice office, decent pay and fun challenges"
<ndrst> and a ranting yorickpeterse for your amusement :p
<yorickpeterse> Also I think we actually have more non Dutchies nowadays than Dutchies
<yorickpeterse> ndrst: I keep that to the internet, usually
<ndrst> d'awww
<ndrst> yeah we are also hiring. and it's quite hard to find good people ):
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<apeiros> finding people is easy, finding good people is indeed quite hard. had the same experience 2y and 3y back.
<yorickpeterse> If I look around me I think one of the big problems is that many companies look for "Expert Senior Rockstar Ninjas" but give you nothing more than they'd give their toilet attendant
<yorickpeterse> "BUT WE HAVE A SOCCER TABLE!!!11"
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<ndrst> hmm no we are looking for someone who can bring something to the team and would fit it. payment and benefits are very good for berlin standards
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<ndrst> in general a problem solver. Ninjas, Gurus and the rest can go somewhere else
<yorickpeterse> Well yeah, of course it varies
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<ndrst> preferred not a male
<ndrst> but that makes it even harder
<yorickpeterse> preferred even, wth
<apeiros> we didn't have a single woman apply :(
<yorickpeterse> eh, I'll be that guy to say that you shouldn't look for specific genders/races/etc
<ndrst> yorickpeterse: yeah. we only have men and want to have a more mixed team
<yorickpeterse> I think we have...a 50/50 split
<ndrst> apeiros: true. I might be that our job adds are not very welcomeing. I am bad in judging this.
<ndrst> yorickpeterse: that is great.
<yorickpeterse> only white people though
<yorickpeterse> That's a serious issue
* yorickpeterse runs
<yorickpeterse> Either way, I'm not sure what to do to make things more attractive to all
<ndrst> it's even harder to get a diverse team.
<yorickpeterse> Besides being good citizens and all that
<gnufied> more hair gel.
<gnufied> yorickpeterse: that works. :P
<ndrst> haha
<yorickpeterse> e.g. we don't put anything out along the lines of "WOMEN'S ONLY THURSDAY'S!!!"
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<yorickpeterse> I would say scouting at meetups and other events (PyLadies, Rails Girls, etc) also helps
<yorickpeterse> Though I strongly feel you should hire people for their expertise/attitude/etc instead of their gender, race, etc
<ndrst> true. the sad part about this is that we don't have the ressources yet to bring a beginner junior on board and coach and help them ):
<ndrst> yorickpeterse: I aggree with this. still there must be a reason why so little women apply for a job. and It might be that they are just not there, the job ad is shitt or something else
<ndrst> It would be nice to have a 50/50 split but how do you get there?
<yorickpeterse> One of the problems is for example inequal pay
<yorickpeterse> * unequal
<yorickpeterse> From what I keep reading there are plenty of scumbag companies that pay women less simply because they are women
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<yorickpeterse> Another one, a more complicated one to solve, is the human attitude I would say
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<ndrst> what do you mean with the attitude in detail?
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<yorickpeterse> That is, if you have 50 guys and suddenly add 1 woman you might want to keep an eye on things just in case
<yorickpeterse> But that depends on the people of course
<yorickpeterse> I would say the first start is to pay people equal, give them the same benefits, etc
<yorickpeterse> tl;dr don't be an ass because said person is not white male
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<yorickpeterse> The social problems are harder to solve, look at GH for example
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<yorickpeterse> They either require you to bang your head against a wall 15 times or to see other make the mistakes and learn from that
<ndrst> I could not aggree more on the above said.
<fowl> white mail has it better than other kinds of mail
<yorickpeterse> (before you make the mistake)
<t4nk912> Hi! I have a problem with encodings while working with google analytics cookies: i get utf8 strings, containing words in koi8-r and windows-1251. Is there a way to determine, which of encodings is used?
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<ndrst> still doesn't solve the "propblem" of beeing able to create a team of all genders and colors. and by judging them by skills you don't make it better.
<yorickpeterse> ndrst: So in risk of this getting taken out of context, do you need that?
<yorickpeterse> ugh, how do I phrase this
<whitequark> t4nk912: no.
<whitequark> it is not possible to reliably determine the encoding of the text if you don't know it.
<yorickpeterse> Put it this way, I don't see the strict benefit of hiring somebody for the sake of diversity
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<yorickpeterse> (just for the diversity part that is)
<ndrst> yes.
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<yorickpeterse> So I would not start hiring random people just to complete your collection of humans
<t4nk912> whitequark: any way to determine, which one of these two?
<yorickpeterse> But yeah, start with marketing that you pay everybody equally nicely and all that
<yorickpeterse> And one way or another actually state that in the adverts
<maloik> I don't think I'd ever advertise like that
<whitequark> t4nk912: not really.
<maloik> as you said the scouting at meetups is probably the only thing I would do
<ndrst> yorickpeterse: I think openeing the mind for hiring also non white male brown haired guys would make sense. as for many thats kind of the headhunterish hunting schema
<yorickpeterse> It's because they are the dominant factor
<yorickpeterse> So they're easier to get
<yorickpeterse> (in theory)
<ndrst> in the end it's a hard topic.
<ndrst> so now back to writing more PCI crap
<yorickpeterse> It's an interesting topic though
<ndrst> yeah. I think by making the whole environment less Ninja, Guru and rude we could get also not so loud people in who are able to solve problems and create things.
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<CommunistChina> hey
<CommunistChina> how can I run a ruby script?
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<yorickpeterse> ruby SCRIPT_HERE
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<yorickpeterse> well that was very nice
<yorickpeterse> Darn commies never say thank you
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<ndrst> why should they?
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<whitequark> t4nk912: first, force_encoding mutates the string
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<yorickpeterse> derp, pushed gem with AWS creds in them
<yorickpeterse> Figured that was bound to happen when pushing 33 of them
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<darix> yorickpeterse: did you git push them too at least?
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<ndrst> where you listening to salt n pepa while pushing it yorickpeterse ?
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* apeiros loves it when deployments break left and right for no apparent reason (things which were supposedly not changed)
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* apeiros huggles overly complex infrastructure
<yorickpeterse> darix: they were already in Git
<bubodlack> hi all
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<hackeron> anyone knows what is wrong with this regex? < /((?:USD|EUR|GBP)?)/ -- I am trying to match if a string has USD EUR or GBP
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<banister> yorickpeterse are you giving a talk today at amsterdam.rb ?
<canton7-mac> hackeron, see #ruby
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<yorickpeterse> banister: No my name is on the list for shits and giggles
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<banister> yorickpeterse lol, i love how edgy you are. Are you going to be doing it in dutch of engels?
<banister> yorickpeterse i can't make it cos it's my gf's bday, but can i see your slides?
<yorickpeterse> English
<yorickpeterse> Yeah the slides are at...
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<banister> yorickpeterse do you show implementation of a RDP yourself or you just use the tools in the demo?
<yorickpeterse> banister: btw have you heard anything from Rob?
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<yorickpeterse> I'll be showing my XML/HTML lexer/parser
<yorickpeterse> or at least bits of it
<banister> yorickpeterse yeah i have, he's ok now, he's with his family i think
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<yorickpeterse> Ah, so he did have some sort of breakdown?
<banister> yea
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<yorickpeterse> dang
<banister> yorickpeterse i blame the legacy rails code base at work ;)
<yorickpeterse> heh
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<yorickpeterse> Thank god I only have one of those
<yorickpeterse> And that one will soon-ish be replaced
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<banister> yorickpeterse we're fast moving to SOA and sinatra tho, so we just have one rails code base now i think
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<yorickpeterse> SOA?
<banister> yorickpeterse service oriented architecture, instead of having one monolithic rails app, we have a bunch of smaller sinatra apps that talk to eachother using APIs
<banister> yorickpeterse it's pretty cool as we can use any langauge we want, i think there's a node.js service in there, and someone might be writing one in Go and haskell too
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<banister> yorickpeterse since everything is hosted on heroku now we can easily deploy anything we want afaict
<banister> otherwise i wouldn't have a clue how to deploy a haskell app, but there's service packs for heroku that just "fix it all up" so it works (or so i hear)
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<yorickpeterse> Ah right
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<maloik> banister: what do you work on ?
<banister> maloik genearlassemb.ly, but i mostly do the payment stuff
<maloik> oh that's pretty cool
<maloik> youre remote though right?
<maloik> unless I'm mistaken that you're in the netherlands
<yorickpeterse> Yes
<yorickpeterse> He's foreign scum here to reap off the benefits of our glorious country
<yorickpeterse> here to take our jobs
<surrounder> TOOKERDERPS
<maloik> well technically speaking he's taking americans' jobs
<maloik> :D
<yorickpeterse> That was part of the joke
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<ljarvis> moin
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<banister> yorickpeterse you guys are taking half my $ as tax :(
<maloik> it's 5pm you crazy mofo
<maloik> well 4pm for you i suppose
<ljarvis> it's always morning on irc
<yorickpeterse> banister: we clearly need to take more
<maloik> it's always beer o clock somewhere
<maloik> :o
<banister> isnt moin german anyway? and it means more 'hello' than morning iirc
<yorickpeterse> but yes, taxes here are insane
<maloik> I refuse to believe it means anything but morning
<maloik> xD
<ljarvis> banister: yus
<maloik> we've had this conversation before haven't we
<ljarvis> yus
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<banister> maloik haah sorry that link was broken
<maloik> it's fine I know GA
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<maloik> sort of
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<ndrst> banister: yep
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<wallerdev> hi!
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<apeiros> hi wallerdev
<wallerdev> :)
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<levifig> how do I change default ruby versions in Ubuntu?
<levifig> :X
<levifig> 2.0 installs 1.9.1; removing 1.9.1 removes 2.0
<levifig> -.-
<levifig> and default is 1.9.1
<levifig> (though it's all symlinks)
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<dacamp> update-alternatives
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<havenwood> levifig: in addition to ruby you may also need to: sudo update-alternatives --config gem
<levifig> dacamp havenwood, both options are not present in the update-alternatives list :X
<havenwood> levifig: did you install ruby with apt?
<levifig> yup
<levifig> :X
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<levifig> just installed it manually
<levifig> # update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/ruby ruby /usr/bin/ruby2.0 1
<seako> i would recommend using a tool like rvm or rbenv to keep track of your rubies
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<badeball> I remember reading an article about refactoring away sigils in Ruby. I believe it might have been feature in rubyweekly, but I can't seem to find it. does it ring any bells to anyone?
<wallerdev> that seems odd
<wallerdev> what would you use instead?
<badeball> attr_accessor instead of referring to instance variables, etc.
<wallerdev> but sometimes you need to access the instance variable directly
<toretore> sounds like a good idea to me
<badeball> the artickle made some pretty good points and I wanted to pass it along to my colleague
<toretore> sigils imply that the variable comes from "far away", that is, it brings more coupling
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<wallerdev> next youll tell me i should use strings instead of symbols
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<toretore> you should, most of the time
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* apeiros still considers using accessors instead of ivars a silliness
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<apeiros> the only point where it would make sense is if you subclass a class you don't own. but that's an anti-pattern of its own already.
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<xybre> I use whichever makes sense. If I can put some informative errors in a setter I'll do that instead of putting those code in all the consumers. And besides, refactoring data into a process is much easier when the interface doesn't need to change.
<nofxx__> toretore, don't agree... keep away of #to_sym might be good idea, but just using, symbol over string always
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<toretore> i think that as a rule of thumb, one should try to reach as little out of one's scope as possible
<toretore> definition of scope is vague in this rule
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<apeiros> toretore: demeter?
* apeiros knows toretore has a diametral view on ivars than he
<yxhuvud> apeiros: I like accessors since they scream at me if I typo them
<apeiros> yxhuvud: yeah, I absolutely hate ivar autovivify
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<apeiros> if it was at least configurable
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<xybre> Yeah thats the other thing, ivars popping into existence on first use.
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<toretore> apeiros: kinda
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<mbelow> hi, I am trying to display an image from the web in a GTK window. Fetching the image works, and displaying local images works too, but how can I get my web image into an GTK::image object? Here's my code. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/aa4f27aa135bc59bc792 -- ruby complains about an implicit conversion from nil to integer
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<mbelow> i am trying to convert the image using RMagick, is there a better way?
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<ljarvis> any freelancers interested in some chef work?
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