apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: RIP Jim || Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<eam> preferred gem for leveldb?
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<eam> "leveldb" seems more recent, but fairly unused compared to "leveldb-ruby"
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<centrx> eam, I don't know, you might have to do some research/test them out
<centrx> eam, Some are clearly derelict of course
<centrx> eam, You can also try asking in #ruby
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<eam> yup, first step of researching is a quick opinion check
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<centrx> MIMASWAM – Matz Is Mormon So We Are Mormon
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<c0d3_k1ra> can anybody guide me from where i can start learning ruby on rails 4?? I have ruby 1.9.3 on my system..
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<whitequark> c0d3_k1ra: /join #ror
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<pipework> whitequark: People can join there?
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<whitequark> pipework: what?
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<pipework> whitequark: It's invite only.
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<whitequark> odd
<whitequark> when did it became so?
<whitequark> pipework: not invite only. it just needs you to be registered with nickserv.
<pipework> whitequark: I believe I am.
<whitequark> pipework: I just checked and I can join.
<pipework> whitequark: Odd. I'm authed and I can't.
<pipework> Complains about invites.
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<ledestin> it does say ‘invite only'
<pipework> whitequark: Oh you mean the real #rubyonrails, not literally #ror?
<apeiros> literally #ror
<whitequark> yes, literally #ror, it's a redirect
<apeiros> #ror and #rails forward to #rubyonrails
<pipework> Oh how interesting.
<pipework> Must not work if you're already joined to #rubyonrails then?
<apeiros> correct
<pipework> apeiros: All these years and I've never gotten the joke...
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<apeiros> which joke?
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: How's Oga coming along?
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: We neeeeds it
<pipework> apeiros: <from within #rubyonrails> Where do I go to learn #{thing}? <response> #rails
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: Also, would be awesome if you had a list of things to do so that other people can contribute
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: Nokogiri on JRuby is a horrible horrible thing
<pipework> apeiros: Being that you couldn't join if you were already there, but it seemed like an elite group. I don't know, it was funny.
<pipework> ddfreyne: Is it? I haven't done anything super neat with it, but it works great.
<apeiros> pipework: #rails originally didn't redirect
<pipework> There's even a Java implementation in nokogiri for jruby.
<apeiros> so maybe it was more of like a "go away"? :)
<ddfreyne> pipework: Nokogiri is nice, but JRuby-Nokogiri is very, very buggy.
<pipework> apeiros: Not sure, but lul.
<pipework> ddfreyne: Why not just use Nokogiri itself?
<pipework> Or are you?
<ddfreyne> pipework: On JRuby, the only choice you have is to use the JRuby-Nokogiri thing (the "pure java" thing)
<apeiros> pipework: alternatively some multi-channel joiner who thought the person had asked in #ruby(-lang)
<apeiros> dunno
<apeiros> curious now why somebody would say that :D
<pipework> ddfreyne: The one shipped with the nokogiri gem, right?
<ddfreyne> pipework: Yeah
<pipework> apeiros: It's a joke like, "Here, noob."
<pipework> ddfreyne: Oh hm. I never did anything clever, so I don't know.
<ddfreyne> It's… bad.
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<ddfreyne> Sorry, I am slightly pissed off having to deal with this crap.
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<t4nk560> hello?
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<t4nk560> hello?
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<havenwood> hi
<t4nk560> Hi Havenwood. You up for a ruby lang question?
<havenwood> sure. you can just ask freely here.
<t4nk560> Great. When I use a function from a library, such as sqrt from Math, I use Math.sqrt. Is there any way to call that function unqualified, i.e. just as sqrt? Java and Python both have mechanisms for this, but I can't figure out how to do it in Ruby.
<havenwood> t4nk560: include Math
<t4nk560> Ha! Simple! Thanks!
<t4nk560> What if there's a name conflict on say my own 'sqrt' function?
<t4nk560> Looks like my own function takes precedence. Is that because it's 'nearer' than the Math function?
<ddfreyne> Anybody here know a lot about the Marshal format?
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<ddfreyne> I have two hashes that appear to be identical, but when both marshalled, differ subtly.
<havenwood> t4nk560: Ruby's method dispatch follows a set order, some details here: https://practicingruby.com/articles/method-lookup-2
<t4nk560> Excellent, thank you. I will go read all that.
<apeiros> ddfreyne: marshal retains references - maybe you have a case of e.g. a = "a"; b = [a, a]; c = ["a", "a"]
<apeiros> i.e., both look the same, but one has twice the same object, the other two different ones
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<ddfreyne> There's instance variables in my hash, for some reason.
<ddfreyne> In one case, but not the other.
<ddfreyne> The explanation is created using drbrain's marshal-structure gem FYI
<ddfreyne> I'm at a loss how to explain this.
<ddfreyne> (This is JRuby btw)
<apeiros> that's rather large-ish :-S
<ddfreyne> apeiros: The diff is quite small
<ddfreyne> I am also not sure how to create a test case that still exhibits the problem, but is smaller…
<ddfreyne> Hmmm… maybe I don't need to solve this problem and I can just work around it
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<ddfreyne> (I check whether source data has changed between invocations by checking their Marshal dump)
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<ddfreyne> I’ll work around the issue.
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<sarkyniin> Hey, I want to know
<sarkyniin> I have this code: http://pastie.org/9095227
<sarkyniin> will using "break" in an if conditional ony break the "if" or also break from the function (what I want)?
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<ddfreyne> Wow, weird. “As an Object serializer Ox is up to 6 times faster than the standard Ruby Marshal.dump() and up to 3 times faster than Marshal.load().”
<ddfreyne> You’d expect that a native serialisation method would be fast…
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<proliberate> sarkyniin: best way to find out is to see for yourself. [1,2,3].each { |n| break if n == 2; puts n }
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* chris2 is suspicious about ox never mentioning namespaces
<Mon_Ouie> sarkyniin: Well 'breaking' from a conditional would be pretty useless: that would mean you can only break without a condition, i.e. on the first iteration.
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<sarkyniin> proliberate: oh, I'm dumb.
<sarkyniin> thanks
<proliberate> we all are :)
<proliberate> what are you making, may i ask?
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<sarkyniin> proliberate: a sort-of RPG
<sarkyniin> it's the first time I'm making something from the ground in ruby
<sarkyniin> previously, I just did some functions for a chatbot to contribute
<proliberate> are you open-sourcing it or keeping it private?
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<ddfreyne> chris2: Yeah.
<chris2> and not sure how it serializes cyclic data structures
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<chris2> but i only glimpsed at the github
<ddfreyne> It can't be worse than JRuby-Nokogiri :(
<chris2> i stopped doing xml when xmlparser was the tool of choice :P
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<chris2> wrapping that one in an enumerator should be plenty convenient for most stuff ;)
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<ddfreyne> I also need HTML parsing/writing :(
<proliberate> is there any better solution for CSS selector parsing than Nokogiri::CSS?
<proliberate> Keeping in mind that I am very, very lazy and will avoid writing my own at all costs
<sarkyniin> proliberate: open sourcing it, probably
<sarkyniin> it's not like it'll be an engine or something
<sarkyniin> it's just a tiny game that will probably be filled with bugs since I'm a dumbass
<sarkyniin> I'm still thinking about how the level-up system will work with the stats
<proliberate> no, it will probably be filled with bugs because it's your first full ruby app
<proliberate> just have fun with it, that's all that matters
<sarkyniin> yeah
<sarkyniin> that's what I plan to do
<sarkyniin> gotta finish the savegame creator, and then I'll take on the battle system
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<proliberate> well, i am interested, if you keep updating us with your progress i'd love to see how it turns out
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<karamazov> I'm using <%= f.input :gender, :as => :radio, :label => false %> which outputs two divs with the class radio. Is it possible for me to add additional html to those?
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<centrx> karamazov, Try #rubyonrails
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<karamazov> centrx: Thanks - meant to post there
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<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: give or take another 2 months or so
<yorickpeterse> hard to tell atm
<yorickpeterse> working on the pull parsing API which requires re-doing the parser
<yorickpeterse> third party contributions wouldn't really work out atm since there's a lot going on in my head
<yorickpeterse> (regarding things I want, how, etc)
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<yorickpeterse> The biggest help atm is gathering info about what bothers people about Nokogiri and XML parsing in general, what they are missing, etc
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<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: as an extra note, I have no interest in implementing XSLT any time soon (seeing how you reported Nokogiri issues for that)
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<znow> hi everybody
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<havenwood> g'morning
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<TTilus> g'night
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<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: No XSLT is fine with me.
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<t4nk996> i'm getting an error when trying to install a gem, 'gollum'...can anyone assist?
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<t4nk996> here's the gist: https://gist.github.com/nopivnick/930361
<canton7> and you followed the link it gave you and read all the instructions?
<zenspider> says right on the output: libxml2 is missing. please visit http://nokogiri.org/tutorials/installing_nokogiri.html for help with installing dependencies.
<canton7> why are you passing --platform=ruby ?
<apeiros> give him a break. he uses windows. they're trained not to ever read anything presented to them
<zenspider> apeiros: while I agree... I find it a sad situation and it should be changed.
<apeiros> I was just kidding
<apeiros> being trained not to read is no excuse IMO
<canton7> nokogiri for windows is distributed as a binary. I think passing --platform=ruby will stop it doing that
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<zenspider> apeiros: I figured you were being cynical. I find it to be too true. Time and again the high maintenance bug filers seem to be running windows and they just don't seem to read and think before asking for hand holding. It could be a false pattern, but it doesn't seem to be
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<zenspider> I could also be extra sensitive because I'm in seattle and I _see_ it
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