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<ph88> hi zenspider
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<zenspider> hello
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<ph88> zenspider: im getting this error ParseTree doesn't work with ruby 1.9.3 and im trying to find out which ruby version i need
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<zenspider> ph88: ParseTree has been EOL'd for 7-10 years now. what are you trying to do?
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<ph88> zenspider: run https://github.com/bendiken/php
<zenspider> I guess only 5 years
<ph88> is there anything i can do about it ?
<zenspider> you can run ruby 1.8.x, but you'll also only translate ruby <=1.8
<ph88> is there a lot of new stuff that gets used since 1.8 ?
<zenspider> depends on the code you're working with... but yeah, the world has moved on
<zenspider> rails 4.1 will be 1.9+, for example.
<zenspider> will? is? I think is. yeah.
<zenspider> you can use phuby and go the other direction instead.
<zenspider> that's only about 500 loc. translate it by hand
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<zenspider> you'll understand it better and it'll work better
<ph88> does ruby lang have EBNF or another grammar notation ?
<zenspider> ruby is LALR, so it won't encode into an EBNF cleanly
<zenspider> and my lexer for ruby is currently ~1200 loc (rex + ruby) and the parser is ~2300 loc (racc) + support code
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<zenspider> why?
<ph88> might be words writing another converter at some point
<wallerdev> just let php die
<zenspider> I think in this case it makes more sense to simply implement their spec. Using their ruby code as a hint, but not even translating it
<zenspider> or that :)
<zenspider> I still think phuby is a vastly superior way to go
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<ph88> Invalid gemspec in [D:/dev/Ruby187/lib/ruby/gems/1.8/specifications/ZenTest-4.9.5.gemspec]: Illformed requirement ["< 3.0, >= 1.8"]
<ph88> how can i see which version of ZenTest i need to run on ruby 1.8 ?
<zenspider> that's from a bug in rubygems
<zenspider> update rubygems
<zenspider> uninstall zentest
<zenspider> nuke that gemspec file, since it gets cached
<zenspider> reinstall zentest
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<ph88> ok thanks it looks good with the install
<ph88> now i have 2 ruby versions on my pc
<ph88> irb(main):001:0> require 'php' --> LoadError: no such file to load -- php
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<wallerdev> probably need to install the gem on your other ruby still
<wallerdev> and possibly require rubygems depending how old your ruby is
<zenspider> 1.8, so yeah
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<wallerdev> i feel like irb required rubygems in 1.8.6 automatically
<wallerdev> i know at one point they changed it, and require 'rubygems' would return false, and then they had to fix it so it returned true because people were getting confused
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<ph88> D:/dev/Ruby187/lib/ruby/1.8/rdoc/rdoc.rb:280: warning: conflicting chdir during another chdir block
<ph88> got these warnings
<zenspider> update rdoc
<ph88> D:\dev\Ruby187\lib\ruby\gems\1.8\gems\php-0.1.1
<ph88> ok
<ph88> hhmm seems like i need dev kit for rdco
<ph88> rdoc
<zenspider> being a developer... seems likely
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<ph88> i installed the devkit and try it out gem install json --platform=ruby http://pastebin.com/tym1ttAs
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<wallerdev> i dont think youll have much luck installing gems that require extconf on windows without cygwin
<wallerdev> and even then, a lot of gems just assume you're running some sort of unix
<ph88> Mix and matching of RubyInstaller with cygwin will fail.
<ph88> At all times avoid having cygwin in your PATH when working with RubyInstaller and the Development Kit.
<ph88> ^^
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<Varun_krishna> How to do string concatenation in ruby? for example no_of_wheels = 4 puts "there are total number of no_of_wheels"
<havenwood> Varun_krishna: interpolation: "there are #{example no_of_wheels} wheels"
<havenwood> s/example //
<Varun_krishna> Oh ok.
<Varun_krishna> Let me try it in the irb.
<whitequark> >> no_of_wheels = 4; "there are #{no_of_wheels} wheels"
<eval-in_> whitequark => "there are 4 wheels" (https://eval.in/138563)
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<Varun_krishna> 0h yeah, initially when I tried it in the irb, I had missed out these '{ }'. thanks guys.
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<dagthema1> anyone wanna look at a script and tell me why i'm getting a 'undefined method "click" for nil:NilClass'
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<banister> dagthema1 pry-rescue will tell u
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<dagthema1> banister: hm?
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<banister> dagthema1 google it.
<darix> pry ftw
<darix> banister: i just used pry to debug why a backport patch breaks puppet
<darix> really fun
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<banister> darix fun? hehe :)
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<darix> banister: a lot more fun to debug with binding.pry than without
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<sarkyniin> hey
<sarkyniin> is it possible to definitely modify values in a ruby file while the ruby code is running?
<sarkyniin> for example, I have name = "tom"
<sarkyniin> then if I want to change the name later, I can always replace it with the user input
<sarkyniin> but I want the name to be written in the code, so that if I launch the code two times, it'll still be the changed name
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<sarkyniin> how could I do it?
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<banister> sarkyniin store it in a file
<jevs> yeah, a config or db
<sarkyniin> yaml file, for example?
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<jevs> good example :)
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<sarkyniin> jevs: http://pastebin.com/AbpAbP9v is this good yaml syntax?
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<sarkyniin> oh I added indentation on the second item
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<sarkyniin> ugh.
<sarkyniin> is there even a way to make a save file in ruby that can't be decrypted?
<sarkyniin> making a game is a pain, since the user can just look at the encryption method used in the rb file and decrypt it.
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<badeball> sarkyniin: if you can read, then a user can read it (in the end, it will necessarily be present in memory). anything else is just obfuscation.
<sarkyniin> badeball: yeah, I know that.
<sarkyniin> I can just hope players won't try to cheat ;_;
<sarkyniin> that's no fun anyway
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<badeball> if it's offline and singleplayer, does it really matter?
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<sarkyniin> not really
<sarkyniin> but I'd rather not make the game piss easy to cheat
<badeball> I remember hacking on cs back in the day, and it was pretty much a cat-and-mouse game between cheaters and anti-cheating mechanisms
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<sarkyniin> also, the ruby-doc website shows "loading" indefinitely when making a search for me.
<sarkyniin> Is it the same for other people?
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<|jemc|> it does that sometimes
<badeball> sarkyniin: not for me at this very momement, but I usually just use google directly ('ruby <your keyword>'), as ruby-doc's search is almost just that
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<Gilles> re
<Gilles> test
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<centrx> It worked!
<Gilles> Thanks haha
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<Gilles> Damn it's really hard to learn Ruby after Processing. In Processing you hit play the code run, in Ruby, it's like becoming an adult, you can't simply press play anymore haha
* centrx looks up Processing
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<centrx> Gilles, Also note there are two Ruby channels on Freenode, #ruby is the other one
<Gilles> Any difference ?
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<centrx> #ruby is more active, #ruby-lang is referenced on the official Ruby website
<centrx> Both have some unique participants who refuse to join the opposite channel
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<Gilles> Ok haha, didn't expected that from the MINSWAN community
<centrx> Maybe "refuse" is too strong a word
<centrx> Each channel has people who are not in the other one
<Gilles> ok
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<Gilles> Tell me if its the wrong place to ask (the #ruby chan seems more technical), after finishing codecademy ruby tutorial where should I go next (My first goals are to create a text editor (mac window and linux if possible) with moving text and a webchat for stranger to share metaphysical question) any guess ?
<agarie> Read someone else's code
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<agarie> It's one of the best ways to learn about a language :P
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<centrx> Gilles, Rails and Thor are two major Ruby projects that have clean, Ruby-idiomatic code
<znow> hi everybody
<centrx> Gilles, So you can see how best practices are implemented in practice
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<centrx> Hellow znow
<Gilles> But rails seems like a huge thing for a beginner no ?
<Gilles> hi znow
<havenwood> Gilles: Fun to learn how to cut a gem, if you haven't yet.
<havenwood> +1 read code
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<centrx> Gilles, That's true -- though there are easily digestible parts of Rails you could look at
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<centrx> Gilles, I would add in contrast to the reading code, that doing is often helpful as well
<Gilles> The problem of codecademy is that you do code online but when I still doesn't know how to create an app. To cut a gem means check the source code. (ps: thanks for answers)
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<centrx> Gilles, gem cutting is making a gem, which is a usable package of your code for use by others
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<havenwood> Gilles: For creating an app, i'd highly recommend looking at Sinatra or Hobbit.
<centrx> Gilles, I think you may be at an earlier stage of learning though
<havenwood> Gilles: Create a Sinatra app and a gem! :)
<FiXato> Hobbit?
<havenwood> FiXato: Think more minimalist than Sinatra (and easier code for someone new to read).
<havenwood> FiXato: Rack with a little sugar.
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<Gilles> Ok thanks, yes i'm a beginner =) I don't know how to use ruby outside terminal or codecademy.
<FiXato> I see :)
<centrx> Gilles, Get started on the text editor and at each step along the way, ask yourself and the Internet and here: What am I doing and how do I do it best?
<centrx> That's probably good advice for everything
<Gilles> but the main thing is the how to go from terminal to text editor
<Gilles> By the way thanks guy
<centrx> Gilles, Okay, so there must be some standard way to show screen output
<Gilles> I take note of what you said it s a bit reassuring
<centrx> Gilles, The Unix standard is curses, but that is a pain to work with, so there may be a nice ruby library (gem) for it
<Gilles> ok
<centrx> Gilles, That would be for a text-based text editor. For a GUI, it's the same thing, there's some GUI library for Ruby, like "Shoes" is one
<agarie> I'm against reading Rails
<agarie> There are other projects easier to digest at first
<centrx> Reading only ActiveSupport I guess I mean
<centrx> ActiveSupport has a lot of small utility methods that don't interact with each other.
<agarie> well, if you already know something about metaprogramming, Sinatra is quite small (less than 2k lines of code iirc)
<agarie> ah right, ActiveSupport is a good one indeed
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<agarie> Jekyll is interesting as well, there are lots of file/directory handling in case you aren't familiar with it yet
<Gilles> ok I copy the chat in a text and start
<Gilles> I'll be back here soon. Thank you. Soon you'll see my first apps
<agarie> hey, I wrote a blog post about scientific computing in Ruby and would like some feedback: http://onox.com.br/2014/04/19/gems-for-scientific-computing-in-ruby.html Thanks :)
<centrx> !
<agarie> good luck Gilles
<Gilles> the ruby community reputation seems pretty accurate, cheers
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<centrx> agarie, Is SciRuby a collection of gems, not a single gem?
<agarie> well... both
<centrx> agarie, You don't mention R/RSRuby/RinRuby at all!
<agarie> but the sciruby gem is mostly dead right now
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<agarie> yay, more material to research :D
<agarie> I'll add these to my list
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<agarie> Did you use them?
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<havenwood> SciRuby was one of the few Ruby projects accepted to Google Summer of Code this year
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<agarie> yep, Rails was the other one iirc
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<agarie> well, technically BioRuby was accepted as well
<havenwood> nice
<agarie> I'm one of the sciruby mentors this year :)
<havenwood> agarie: yay! \o/
<havenwood> i don't see bioruby on the list
<havenwood> ah, gotcha
<havenwood> nice
<agarie> It's an umbrella organization for projects like BioPython, BioRuby, BioPerl, etc
<agarie> there's a LOT of stuff
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<centrx> agarie, RSRuby is significantly faster but they each have their peculiarities and advantages
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<centrx> agarie, They are both "unmaintained" projects but also both essentially "finished"
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<centrx> *faster but more fragile
<centrx> agarie, I switched this project from RinRuby to RSRuby because it was something like 100x faster and had a cleaner interface
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