#ruby-lang on 2014-04-24 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-02-24 17:12 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: RIP Jim || Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com

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00:04 <drbrain> def complete?() (success || failure) && !retry? end

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00:13 <jaimef> is there a way to drop a method asyncly?

00:13 <jaimef> run

00:14 <drbrain> Thread.new do the_method end ?

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00:15 <jaimef> will the thread die if the parent exits?

00:15 <jaimef> want like %x{nohup cmd}

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00:16 <drbrain> when the main thread dies so do all its children

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00:17 <jaimef> so fork exec it is

00:17 <drbrain> jaimef: Process.spawn > fork exec

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00:25 <zenspider> ooh. new idea skip skips: raise Minitest::Skip, msg, bt unless ENV["SKIP"] == "0"

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01:52 <johnissocool> Is there an easy way to make my simple ruby project use a webpage? I would like to be able to use web text boxes for input and buttons etc.

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02:40 <Rubynewbie> So, I've got a fairly short little program that isn't running the way i'd like. It runs and jumps to the method I want, but then user input should direct the program to another method. Instead, it is just exiting the program. Anyone willing to look at this? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11239604

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03:29 <shalicke> Any reason why this net/ftp & open-uri transfer hangs? https://gist.github.com/shalicke/0d9af0a5f1edaf85fb2a

03:31 <shalicke> the gist of it is ftp.putbinaryfile(open(an_s3_url), some_remote_filename)) and it hangs while retrieving(?) the file. Actually it seems post-retrieval since it writes the whole file to disk in a tmp-like format (open-uri-XXYY) and then ... nothin.

03:32 <shalicke> it's easy enough to work around, but i'm looking for an answer on why this doesn't work, since it certainly seems like it should (using open-uri.)

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04:49 <shalicke> turned out to be a "problem" with net/ftp: ftp.passive needed to be set to true.

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08:11 <yorickpeterse> morning

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09:28 <sarkyniin> hey

09:28 <sarkyniin> is an empty string equal to nil

09:29 <apeiros> sarkyniin: no

09:29 <apeiros> >> "" == nil

09:29 <eval-in__> apeiros => false (https://eval.in/141061)

09:29 <sarkyniin> dam

09:31 <apeiros> sarkyniin: also for the future - you can easily answer such questions yourself by using pry (or irb)

09:31 <sarkyniin> okay, thanks

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09:31 <sarkyniin> apeiros: what's pry?

09:31 <sarkyniin> I only use irb

09:32 <apeiros> pry is a better irb

09:34 <metamaterial> how do i pry

09:35 <apeiros> gem install pry pry-doc

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09:35 <apeiros> then just type `pry` instead of `irb`

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10:04 <yorickpeterse> Created a repository called "Shepherd"

10:04 <yorickpeterse> Very tempted to put Mass Effect references in it

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10:35 <gnufied> yorickpeterse: i sorta love/hate ruby-lint man

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10:36 <gnufied> i am running git master and it almost never detects methods/constants defined in other files in project

10:36 <gnufied> i have been wondering if ruby-lint has a notion of "project"

10:37 <yorickpeterse> Have you considered reporting this as an actual issue so I can look at it?

10:37 <yorickpeterse> and no, it has no notion of a project

10:37 <yorickpeterse> only a working directory

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10:37 <yorickpeterse> It's also rather pedantic about how it expects files to be named

10:38 <yorickpeterse> e.g. if it sees a class called "User" it expects the file "user.rb" (somewhere) to define it

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10:38 <yorickpeterse> It can not handle meta magic very well at the moment

10:38 <gnufied> yeah, I found it to be much more useful than rubocop

10:38 <gnufied> and it integrates nicely via flycheck in emacs

10:39 <yorickpeterse> In all cases if it can't find shit that's a bug

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10:40 <yorickpeterse> with the rare exception of where it's just not possible to find a definition

10:40 <gnufied> it need not handle meta magic, but it seems to be - it should be aware of Project and use all files there

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10:40 <gnufied> would you consider it, making it .git aware?

10:41 <yorickpeterse> No

10:41 <yorickpeterse> It already scans ./app and ./lib

10:41 <yorickpeterse> and you can customize those directories

10:41 <gnufied> ah yes.

10:42 <yorickpeterse> That's as close as you can get to a definition of a "project"

10:42 <gnufied> but if I am in, app/models/user/foobar.rb

10:42 <yorickpeterse> which reminds me that I'll need to update Flaycheck and Syntastic this month for the new CLI

10:43 <yorickpeterse> errr flycheck

10:43 <gnufied> then it would look for rubylint.yml in user directory

10:43 <yorickpeterse> gnufied: is your PWD ./app/models/user or ./ ?

10:43 <gnufied> not in root directory of project?

10:43 <yorickpeterse> Yes, it uses PWD/ruby-lint.yml

10:43 <gnufied> depends on how flycheck invokes it, but I suspect it will have inner directory as PWD

10:43 <yorickpeterse> It doesn't work its way up the directory tree because that's slow as a snail

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10:44 <yorickpeterse> gah wtf RVM, you don't need to update libaml to 0.1.6

10:44 <yorickpeterse> I ALREADY HAVE IT INSTALLED

10:44 <gnufied> isn't that a design flaw then?

10:44 <gnufied> not in rubylint itself

10:45 <yorickpeterse> it has little to do with ruby-lint or anything in particular

10:45 <yorickpeterse> e.g.

10:45 <yorickpeterse> if you're in foo/bar/bar/asjhdad/asd/asdasd/ads/asd/asd/asd/asd/as/dasd/asd/ and your config file is in foo/ruby-lint.yml, it will take a while to work its way up

10:45 <yorickpeterse> as such it either looks in PWD/ruby-lint.yml or ~/.ruby-lint.yml

10:46 <gnufied> i don't agree it will take awhile to work its way up.

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10:46 <gnufied> emacs already has a concept of dominating directory for example

10:46 <gnufied> which is always available to major/minor modes

10:46 <gnufied> flycheck and use that as root

10:46 <gnufied> can*

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10:47 <gnufied> the directory traversal itself should be quick

10:47 <gnufied> unless you mean scanning all files from root will be slow as snail

10:48 <gnufied> I will open a GH ticket later

10:48 <gnufied> :-)

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11:15 <yorickpeterse> No, what I mean is

11:15 <yorickpeterse> if your PWD is /a/b/c/d/e/f/g

11:15 <yorickpeterse> and the config file is in /a/ruby-lint.yml

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11:15 <yorickpeterse> Then going up that tree and checking for ruby-lint.yml in every directory can potentially be slow

11:15 <yorickpeterse> I'm not against it, I'm just not that eager to put it in without some thinking

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11:49 <yorickpeterse> Anybody ever used https://github.com/seamusabshere/upsert?

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11:58 <yorickpeterse> Hm, seems it does a bunch of quoting and what not that I'm not too happy about

11:58 <yorickpeterse> hmpf

11:58 <yorickpeterse> mysql, y u no upsert

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13:32 <sarkyniin> is there a way, using the gist module, to read the content of a gist?

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13:32 <sarkyniin> I'm talking about this one https://github.com/defunkt/gist

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13:37 <oddmunds> sarkyniin: like this? https://gist.githubusercontent.com/jraregris/7aa9964091fc3d8d915d/raw/6562de9cb6c56672343b184582ff138f083e6645/gistfile1.rb

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13:38 <oddmunds> that's not exactly what you asked for, but it might solve your problem

13:38 <sarkyniin> ah, yeah, that works

13:38 <sarkyniin> thanks, oddmunds

13:39 <sarkyniin> (I'm working on a bot, and I want to add memos to send to users, but I have to use gists since heroku doesn't support writing to files on disk)

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13:40 <yorickpeterse> Doesn't Heroku offer things like PostgreSQL?

13:40 <oddmunds> yeah, maybe you should look into something more suited than gists

13:41 <oddmunds> you can get a free small mongo thing at mongohq for your heroku

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13:41 <oddmunds> or, really anything you prefer

13:41 <sarkyniin> yorickpeterse: it's just easier to use gists for a small file

13:42 <sarkyniin> PostgreSQL seems like waaaay too much overkill

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13:43 <yorickpeterse> Using Gist for persistent data storage is like using a car tire for writing on paper

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13:47 <oddmunds> hehe

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13:48 <oddmunds> sarkyniin: a nosql thing sounds like it would be a perfect fit for your needs

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13:49 <yorickpeterse> actually a nosql storage is a terrible thing for this

13:49 <yorickpeterse> Given they have the "eventual consistency" crap

13:50 <oddmunds> because of their laxness?

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13:51 <yorickpeterse> Because when you insert a memo you probably want it to be stored right away

13:52 <yorickpeterse> Not a potential 6 hours later

13:52 <cout> hmm.

13:52 <oddmunds> i didn't know that was a feature of nosqls

13:52 <yorickpeterse> Not always, but it's a pretty popular concept amongst them

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13:52 <yorickpeterse> e.g. Mongo, Amazon DynamoDB, etc

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13:53 <sarkyniin> Is there any small file hosting service that has an easy-to-use api and support to edit files?

13:53 <yorickpeterse> Redis and Memcached don't have it I believe, not sure about Redis though

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13:53 <sarkyniin> I really don't want much, just to host a couple small files

13:53 <yorickpeterse> sarkyniin: Postgres comes for free with Heroku

13:53 <oddmunds> surely, you'd be able to force your persistance thing to store right away?

13:54 <sarkyniin> yorickpeterse: does it update immediatly?

13:54 <yorickpeterse> update?

13:54 <yorickpeterse> you mean the database version?

13:54 <oddmunds> i think he/she refers to the 6 hours thing you mentioned

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13:55 <yorickpeterse> oh right

13:55 <yorickpeterse> Yes, Postgres is consistent in that regard

13:55 <sarkyniin> oh, okay

13:55 <yorickpeterse> Most RDMS systems are

13:55 <yorickpeterse> if not all

13:56 <yorickpeterse> heh, "RDMS systems"

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13:56 <oddmunds> Built with NT technology

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13:59 <sarkyniin> yorickpeterse: do you have a simple, easy tutorial as to how postgresql databases work

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13:59 <sarkyniin> I'm still beginning, and I don't know how to use db's

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14:20 <yorickpeterse> https://devcenter.heroku.com/articles/heroku-postgresql is a start for using it on Heroku

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14:21 <yorickpeterse> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.3/static/tutorial.html

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14:38 <gnufied> eventually consistency only refers to how storage behaves in distributed environment

14:38 <gnufied> I don't like mongo as much as you, but I think you are way off its definition

14:38 <gnufied> yorickpeterse: ^

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14:39 <yorickpeterse> No, I said it's often a part of NoSQL (but not a core definition)

14:39 <yorickpeterse> One of the things is that there's no guarantee made about when something happens when modifying data

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14:39 <gnufied> you are conflating DURABILITY with eventual consistency

14:39 <gnufied> :-)

14:39 <yorickpeterse> eh, no

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14:40 <yorickpeterse> It might not occur when you run a single master

14:40 <bougyman> doesn't mongo have an ACID mode yet?

14:40 <gnufied> yorickpeterse: and that is called durability, when you save something db should guarantee that it is saved to disk

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14:40 <yorickpeterse> bougyman: you have a bunch of options that can give you pseudo consistency

14:40 <bougyman> I can never understand why someone would use a non-acid datastore for authorative data.

14:40 <bougyman> yorickpeterse: pseudo is not good enough.

14:41 <yorickpeterse> I'm more than aware of that

14:41 <yorickpeterse> Hence you should not run a Bitcoin service on Mongo

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14:41 <gnufied> eventual conssitency means, when you save something the changes will be propagated to all particapating nodes eventually

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14:41 <yorickpeterse> gnufied: that's my point, I never said anything about saving to disk or w/e

14:41 <gnufied> even mysql replication is eventually consistent

14:41 <yorickpeterse> I stated that if you save shit it *might* not be there directly

14:41 <bougyman> gnufied: mysql replication is possible consistent, eventually.

14:42 <bougyman> *possibly

14:42 <yorickpeterse> At least MySQL is generally concistently fast in it

14:42 <yorickpeterse> (at least for us)

14:42 <gnufied> whats what I said, isn't it?

14:42 <bougyman> you left out the 'possibly'

14:43 <yorickpeterse> heh

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14:44 <bougyman> unless one can afford oracle or foundation db, postgres seems the only sane choice, if given the choice.

14:44 <bougyman> even given that choice, in most cases I would take pg over oracle & foundation.

14:44 <yorickpeterse> Perhaps a better case against NoSQL: you very much know the schema when storing memos

14:45 <bougyman> postgres is great at nosql, as well.

14:45 <jtperreault> I need to iterate over an array and create n new arrays containing the values. How to do this without first creating the arrays to push the values into?

14:45 <bougyman> i saw a case study where it did graphing as efficiently as neo4j. document as efficiently (and with durability) as mongo.

14:46 <yorickpeterse> bougyman: I'd like to see people benchmark it with more than 10 rows of identical data

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14:46 <bougyman> with its ability to index on json now, it really obviates a bunch of noSQL

14:46 <yorickpeterse> Often you'll see folks run "benchmarks" of 10 000 identical documents

14:46 <bougyman> yorickpeterse: check out keith4 or davidfetter's blog.

14:46 <yorickpeterse> But yes, the json storage feature is actually quite interesting

14:46 <yorickpeterse> bougyman: link?

14:46 <yorickpeterse> I have no idea who those people are

14:47 <bougyman> http://www.keithf4.com/mimeo-introduction/

14:47 <yorickpeterse> e.g. I'm pretty sure Mongo can handle 10k docs fine

14:47 <yorickpeterse> However heavens forbid getting the first 1000 out of a collection of 45 million

14:47 <bougyman> http://people.planetpostgresql.org/dfetter/

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14:48 <bougyman> the thing is, even if you have a really defined purpose for some other data store... you can still access it through pg.

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14:49 <bougyman> it's a federated database. you just define the foreign data wrapper and query it directly from pg.

14:49 <bougyman> you can query redis, ldap, mongo, flat files, imap, there are foreign data wrappers for tons of stores.

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14:51 <bougyman> and it's got an evented pub-sub message bus for republishing.

14:51 <yorickpeterse> bougyman: do you happen to know the specific article of that study?

14:51 <bougyman> apparently i'm a pg adbot today

14:51 <bougyman> /rantover

14:52 <yorickpeterse> haha meanwhile Mongo is actually having issues again

14:52 <yorickpeterse> Though it looks like generic AWS network is borken

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14:53 <bougyman> yorickpeterse: there are a few.

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14:53 <bougyman> ignroing the xml one: http://blog.creapptives.com/post/14062057061/the-key-value-store-everyone-ignored-postgresql https://gist.github.com/tobyhede/2715918 http://architects.dzone.com/articles/postgresql-document-database

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14:54 <yorickpeterse> ta

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15:12 <yorickpeterse> bougyman: but I feels ya, Pg is pretty sweet

15:12 <yorickpeterse> even though I rarely use it

15:12 <yorickpeterse> (though that might change soon (tm))

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15:18 <TimmyB> Ruby newbie here. Why isn't this code printing anything to the console? https://gist.github.com/anonymous/11258459

15:18 <DefV> print requires a newline

15:18 <DefV> you want "puts"

15:19 <DefV> uh

15:19 <DefV> and you want to encapsulate your strings with ""

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15:19 <yorickpeterse> ^

15:19 <TimmyB> Thank you DefV

15:20 <gnufied> TimmyB: because ruby interpretes anything you have written after print # as comment

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15:21 <TimmyB> what's the correct format to include a variable in a print (or puts) statement?

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15:22 <centrx> TimmyB, You still need to use quotation marks for the string

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15:23 <centrx> >> [:timmy].map { |x| "hi #{x}" }

15:23 <eval-in__> centrx => ["hi timmy"] (https://eval.in/141261)

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15:26 <TimmyB> Duh. Thanks centrx. Sometimes I can't find the ketchup in the fridge even though I'm staring right at it.

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15:31 <TimmyB> Got my little Ruby snippet working. But why does it always print 'nil' after running?

15:32 <momomomomo> because you return nil

15:32 <TimmyB> meaning what?

15:32 <momomomomo> >> def hello_world; end; puts hello_world;

15:32 <eval-in__> momomomomo => ... (https://eval.in/141284)

15:32 <momomomomo> >> def hello_world; end; hello_world;

15:32 <eval-in__> momomomomo => nil (https://eval.in/141285)

15:34 <TimmyB> Sorry I don't follow the snippet example.

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15:35 <momomomomo> TimmyB: You're returning nil, what's there to miss?

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15:35 <TimmyB> I see patience has run out among some here already ...

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15:36 <canton7> TimmyB, pastie your snippet?

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15:37 <TimmyB> Thanks canton7. Just turned to Google, which I should have done before posting here ...

15:39 <centrx> TimmyB, The return value of the last line of a method is the return value for the method.

15:39 <centrx> TimmyB, irb calls #inspect on the object returned

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15:40 <TimmyB> Got it now. Thanks centrx

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16:12 <sarkyniin> hey

16:12 <sarkyniin> the following line gives me an error:

16:12 <sarkyniin> info[:what] =~ /^!memo (.+?) (.+)$/ do |nick, message|

16:13 <sarkyniin> (eval):11: syntax error, unexpected '|', expecting '='

16:13 <apeiros> that line makes no sense

16:13 <apeiros> what do you expect it to do?

16:13 <sarkyniin> info[:what] is the message the user sent

16:14 <sarkyniin> I extract the nick (first parenthesis in regex) and message (second parenthesis in regex)

16:14 <sarkyniin> and use them in a block

16:14 <apeiros> sarkyniin: a block must be passed to a method

16:14 <apeiros> sarkyniin: to which method do you pass this block?

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16:14 <ledestin> if =~ does support block, argument would have to be parenthesized

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16:15 <apeiros> ledestin: a) symbolic methods can't take blocks, b) no, params don't need parens with do/end

16:15 <sarkyniin> apeiros: I think =~ supports blocks

16:15 <sarkyniin> no?

16:15 <apeiros> sarkyniin: no

16:16 <apeiros> sarkyniin: no symbolic method (+, -, *, =~, <=>, []) can accept a block

16:16 <ledestin> apeiros: symbolic? it might be String

16:16 <apeiros> (technically they can, but it'd only work by using send)

16:17 <apeiros> ledestin: ^ for what a symbolic method is

16:17 <apeiros> or what I mean by it

16:17 <ledestin> ok

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16:17 <apeiros> ledestin: and for b), proof here:

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16:17 <apeiros> >> def foo(arg); yield(arg+1); end; foo 10 do |x| x+5 end

16:17 <eval-in__> apeiros => 16 (https://eval.in/141321)

16:18 <apeiros> with {}, you need parens, due to different precedence of {} vs. do/end

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16:22 <sarkyniin> apeiros: how would I go about doing what I want?

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16:22 <sarkyniin> I don't have any idea besides the code posted before.

16:22 <sarkyniin> :s

16:22 <apeiros> sarkyniin: String#match, MatchData#captures

16:23 <sarkyniin> ooooh

16:23 <sarkyniin> thanks

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16:26 <sarkyniin> apeiros: nick,message = /^!memo (.+?) (.+)/.captures

16:26 <sarkyniin> is this correct?

16:26 <apeiros> sarkyniin: no

16:27 <apeiros> /^!memo (.+?) (.+)/ is a Regexp instance. There is no Regexp#captures

16:27 <sarkyniin> ohok

16:27 <apeiros> you do match_data = string.match(regexp)

16:27 <sarkyniin> nick,message = /^!memo (.+?) (.+)/.match(info[:what]).captures

16:27 <apeiros> and then if match_data then cap1, cap2, … = match_data.captures

16:27 <apeiros> you can do it that way round too. but this will raise an exception if there's no match.

16:28 <sarkyniin> I already do an initial check to see if it matches anyway

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16:29 <sarkyniin> wait.

16:29 <sarkyniin> http://pastie.org/9108603

16:29 <sarkyniin> this is correct code, right?

16:30 <workmad3> sarkyniin: no

16:30 <sarkyniin> ;~;

16:30 <sarkyniin> I get an unexpected end keyword error

16:31 <workmad3> sarkyniin: look very closely at this - 'Class Memo'

16:31 <sarkyniin> is it "class Memo"?

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16:33 <sarkyniin> oh man, it was that.

16:33 <sarkyniin> thanks workmad3

16:33 <sarkyniin> also thanks apeiros

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17:14 <t4nk331> hi everyone

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17:14 <t4nk331> i had a question is their any good ruby admin resoucres for remote host and stuff

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17:21 <DJScias> Hello there!

17:21 <DJScias> How are you all today?

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17:21 <centrx> .

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17:23 <DJScias> I have a small question and the time to wait to see if anyone feels like answering: I'm working on an ircbot in ruby which posts the commits through IRC.. The bot uses a 'system("mkfifo #{$fifo}")' in the '/tmp/' folder.. But for some reason there is no fifo being created. I'm running on windows, any ideas?

17:23 <centrx> Does Windows have mkfifo?

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17:24 <DJScias> I've been looking around for that and nothing really gives me an answer on that.

17:24 <DJScias> It was a simple bot created for running under the Windows environment though.

17:26 <DJScias> If you want, I can create a gist. /shrugs

17:27 <centrx> mkfifo is a Unix command and /tmp/ is a Unix directory

17:27 <centrx> It might by using a Unix environment under Windows, like cygwin or ming

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17:28 <DJScias> What do you suggest I do?

17:28 <imperator> use Ruby's pipes?

17:28 <imperator> there's also win32-pipe

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17:31 <DJScias> Well.

17:31 <DJScias> https://gist.github.com/DJScias/2cf45382459bbe168cf0

17:31 <DJScias> At the bottom it calls system("mkfifo

17:31 <DJScias> At the top it defines $fifo

17:32 <ledestin> DJScias: you could go all the way and use cygwin

17:32 <DJScias> I'll be honest when I say I have no idea how to change it to that.

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17:33 <DJScias> I'm working with a script that was provided for the bot, I did minor changes to it.. But that's how far my knowledge goes

17:33 <ledestin> install cygwin, run it from cygwin shell

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17:33 <DJScias> Alright.

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17:35 <imperator> globals, hard coded paths and system calls

17:35 <imperator> OOF

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17:52 <TimmyB> Newbie question: why does "Hello".downcase! return "hello" while "hello".downcase! returns nil ?

17:53 <ledestin> TimmyB: changed string vs unchanged

17:53 <ledestin> it should be reflected in docs

17:54 <ledestin> it’s a common pattern in Ruby core

17:54 <apeiros> TimmyB: use the non-bang method if you want the return value

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17:55 <TimmyB> seems confusing. okay thanks ledestin and apeiros

17:56 <ledestin> TimmyB: it’s bad enough, especially for map!

17:56 <apeiros> TimmyB: bang methods mutate the object in-place. you're not supposed to need the return value. so the patter is to make the return value meaningful by returning nil w/o change and self with change

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17:56 <apeiros> >> x = "hello"; x.downcase!; x

17:56 <eval-in__> apeiros => "hello" (https://eval.in/141329)

17:57 <apeiros> don't chain bang methods. don't use return values of bang methods (unless you actually want to use the "changed/not changed" information)

17:57 <TimmyB> apeiros: i shall write that down. thank you.

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17:58 <apeiros> sadly, still a common mistake, even among longer time users :(

17:58 <centrx> >> "Why".downcase!.send("<<", " not!?")

17:58 <eval-in__> centrx => "why not!?" (https://eval.in/141330)

17:59 <ledestin> I often want to chain map!, but never encountered need to check whether it was mutated

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18:04 <apeiros> ledestin: just continue in a new statement instead of chaining

18:04 <apeiros> after all, you don't need an assignment

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18:20 <Kristine_> Is there no gcdata for ruby 2.0? Is it possible to memory profile in ruby 2.0 with ruby-prof? Having some trouble

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18:24 <centrx> Kristine_, http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.0/GC/Profiler.html

18:24 <centrx> ?

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18:25 <Kristine_> rvm install 2.0.0 --patch gcdata --name perf failed with Patch 'gcdata' not found.

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18:29 <centrx> Kristine_, RVM source directory only has that patch for 1.9.3 and 1.9.2

18:29 <centrx> Kristine_, There have been significant garbage-collection changes since then

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18:33 <Kristine_> Thx for the info. I ran ruby-prof against a rake task in ruby 2.0.0 with --mode=memory and --printer=graph_html and the results are not useful (no memory usage information). https://github.com/ruby-prof/ruby-prof mentions that a 'patched Ruby interpreter' is required. My running theory is that ruby-prof doesn't play well with ruby 2.0 yet, so I'll try a patched 1.9.3 instead temporarily just to profile.

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18:41 <imperator> hm, changelog says it supports ruby 2.0 as of 0.14.0

18:41 <imperator> 2.1

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18:58 <imperator> how do I avoid this warning? syswrite for buffered IO

19:00 <imperator> ah, sync = true

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19:13 <gchristensen> is there a difference between #ruby and #ruby-lang?

19:13 <apeiros> take your pick :)

19:13 <apeiros> "-lang", ~600 people, this one being the official

19:13 <ratmav> i'm looking to return either true or false from a method. which is preferred? creating a variable, assigning true/false to the variable, then implictly return the variable?

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19:13 <CodeBunny> ratmav: The later is more straghtforward, the former is sometimes easier to use

19:13 <ratmav> apeiros, explicit return?

19:13 <ratmav> let me get that gist up

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19:13 <gchristensen> *phew* -lang sounds way better, I'm not sure I've ever gotten good help from #ruby itself

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19:13 <ratmav> apeiros, i'll mock up a gist real quick

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19:13 <apeiros> oh, different owners

19:13 <ratmav> apeiros, CodeBunny : trying to get my style "proper" i guess. been using the ruby style guide lately

19:13 <CodeBunny> I use both, depending on what I'm trying to do.

19:13 <CodeBunny> and 'proper' be fucked

19:13 <apeiros> ratmav: latter if you can

19:13 <ratmav> or explicitly returning true or false?

19:13 <apeiros> ratmav: yes. but feel free to gist the method in question.

19:13 <CodeBunny> #ruby is chattier

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19:13 <CodeBunny> But I'm a stinky girl and I use tabs

19:13 <apeiros> CodeBunny: IMO the former case will be obvious, as in the method is multiline and the result can come from several places or similar

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19:13 <apeiros> CodeBunny: i.e., use latter if you can, if you can't it'll be self-evident anyway

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19:14 <CodeBunny> exactly

19:14 <ratmav> apeiros, CodeBunny: gist - https://gist.github.com/ratmav/11266075

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19:14 <apeiros> but something like: def foo?; res = @x =~ /blah/; res ? true : false; end # <-- silly, drop that `res =` and do the ternary straight

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19:14 <apeiros> ratmav: reduce that to just array_list.include? parameter

19:14 <apeiros> single line method really

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19:15 <apeiros> there's zero point in "translating" the already boolean return value of include?

19:15 <gchristensen> I'm using open-uri on an HTTPS resource, and I'm getting an OpenSSL::SSL::SSLError SSL_connect exception about certificate verify failed, meanwhile chrome and curl do fine, running 2.0.0p353 -- here's a gist (with a sample URL, and output) https://gist.github.com/grahamc/a05e6e1d80524e694807 -- any tips on resolving this? I tried updating the ca bundle, that didn't seem to make an effect. I don't want to

19:15 <gchristensen> disable SSL peer verification.

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19:15 <apeiros> ratmav: https://gist.github.com/apeiros/11266128

19:16 <apeiros> if array_list is sufficiently short, you can drop that too and just inline it

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19:16 <ratmav> apeiros, that's what i just commented in my gist. i like your suggestion a lot

19:16 <CodeBunny> yeh, you dont have to do all that if/else stuff

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19:17 <ratmav> apeiros, CodeBunny: thanks so much.

19:17 <CodeBunny> you just say is this?

19:17 <ratmav> that streamlines everything even further

19:17 <CodeBunny> are you coming from java?

19:17 <ratmav> mostly. python as well

19:18 <ratmav> but the verbosity from java sticks.

19:18 <cored> how would be the best way to know if an string has numbers in it

19:18 <apeiros> cored: =~ /\d/

19:18 <cored> '13' =~ /\D/

19:18 <cored> hm

19:18 <ratmav> CodeBunny, also, i'm cleaning up a lot of ruby code written by someone with a heavy java background

19:18 <apeiros> or: define "has numbers"

19:18 <cored> apeiros: '13+13'

19:18 <CodeBunny> ruby gets right to the point in a single sentance for the most part

19:19 <cored> it have two numbers and one addition character

19:19 <ratmav> CodeBunny, i've noticed. trying to break old bad habits and create good new ones.

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19:19 <ratmav> at least for ruby

19:19 <CodeBunny> They arn't 'BAD'. they are just not 'Ruby'

19:19 <ratmav> CodeBunny, I understand and appreciate that

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19:20 <ratmav> I really don't see a lot of if/else in Ruby. lots of blocks and procs. lots of one-liners

19:20 <ratmav> Nice language.

19:20 <ratmav> CodeBunny, apeiros: Thanks again!

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19:20 <CodeBunny> ratmav have you done the code academy tutorials?

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19:20 <CodeBunny> THAT will break your habits

19:21 <CodeBunny> also KOANS

19:21 <yorickpeterse> hail Ruby

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19:21 <apeiros> cored: I'd understand as "13+13" to "have numbers in it"

19:21 <CodeBunny> even if you know the language...

19:21 <apeiros> i.e. return true for your question

19:22 <apeiros> I'd also consider "hello 13" to "have numbers in it", i.e., return true for your question

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19:22 <apeiros> so is that what you mean, or if not, what do you really mean?

19:22 <cored> apeiros: sure in those two context I would like to know

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19:22 <apeiros> know *what*?

19:22 <cored> sorry

19:22 <cored> somebody yell at me :-)

19:22 <cored> "13 with any character" contains numbers

19:22 * apeiros yells at cored

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19:22 <apeiros> helped?

19:23 <cored> apeiros: yes

19:23 <cored> :-P

19:23 * yorickpeterse breaks out the slapping rod and looks sternly at cored

19:23 <cored> but both context that you provide are true for my problem

19:23 <yorickpeterse> does that help?

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19:24 <cored> yorickpeterse: of course; that always helps

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19:24 <apeiros> cored: then just =~ /\d/

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19:24 <CodeBunny> cored: are you trying to regex?

19:25 <apeiros> cored: or do you also want non-latin numbers?

19:25 <yorickpeterse> I recommend using String#to_i's return value

19:25 <cored> apeiros: no

19:25 <yorickpeterse> >> '10 a'.to_i

19:25 <eval-in__> yorickpeterse => 10 (https://eval.in/141362)

19:25 <yorickpeterse> See, rock solid

19:25 <cored> yorickpeterse: the thing is taht *.to_i

19:25 <cored> returns 0

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19:26 <yorickpeterse> ... I was joking

19:26 * yorickpeterse breaks out the slapping rod and looks sternly at cored

19:26 <yorickpeterse> GOD DAMN IT

19:26 <cored> :-(

19:26 <cored> please don't

19:26 <yorickpeterse> haha

19:26 <yorickpeterse> But yeah, regexps are about your best bet

19:27 <yorickpeterse> there's probably some unicode regexp for numbers too, similar to \p{Word} or w/e it was

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19:27 <yorickpeterse> though I doubt it would match, e.g., Japanese numbers

19:28 <yorickpeterse> >> "十四日" =~ /\d/

19:28 <eval-in__> yorickpeterse => nil (https://eval.in/141363)

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19:38 <whitequark> yorickpeterse: that's for \decimal numbers

19:38 <whitequark> >> "十四日" =~ /\p{Digit}/

19:38 <eval-in__> whitequark => nil (https://eval.in/141365)

19:38 <whitequark> grmbl

19:38 <centrx> ASCII

19:39 <whitequark> centrx: hm?

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19:42 <apeiros> >> "十四日" =~ /\p{Number}/

19:42 <eval-in__> apeiros => nil (https://eval.in/141371)

19:42 <apeiros> hm

19:42 <apeiros> I think \p{Digit} worked for arabic digits

19:43 <apeiros> but can't find the source of those anymore :)

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19:43 <apeiros> centrx: \p expressions use unicode ranges, so not just ascii

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19:43 <apeiros> >> "hägar"[/p{Word}+/]

19:43 <eval-in__> apeiros => nil (https://eval.in/141372)

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19:43 <apeiros> wtf?

19:43 <apeiros> >> "hägar"[/p{Word}+/u]

19:43 <eval-in__> apeiros => nil (https://eval.in/141373)

19:43 <apeiros> ah, lol

19:43 <apeiros> >> "hägar"[/\p{Word}+/u]

19:43 <eval-in__> apeiros => "hägar" (https://eval.in/141374)

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19:44 <apeiros> but actually… that's worth a try

19:44 <apeiros> >> "hägar"[/\p{Word}+/]

19:44 <eval-in__> apeiros => "hägar" (https://eval.in/141375)

19:44 <centrx> apeiros, Is this your favorite word or something?

19:44 <apeiros> hm, ok, not an issue with eval-in's default encoding

19:44 <apeiros> centrx: no. it just stuck as a test word :)

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19:45 <yxhuvud> apeiros: That may have changed - iirc, ruby 1.9.3 and 2.0 use ascii as default regex encoding, while 2.1 change all defaults to utf8.

19:45 <yxhuvud> so it may depend on bot ruby version

19:45 <yxhuvud> >> RUBY_VERSION

19:45 <eval-in__> yxhuvud => "2.1.0" (https://eval.in/141378)

19:46 <apeiros> 20>> RUBY_VERSION

19:46 <eval-in__> apeiros => "2.0.0" (https://eval.in/141379)

19:46 <apeiros> 19>> RUBY_VERSION

19:46 <eval-in__> apeiros => "1.9.3" (https://eval.in/141380)

19:46 <apeiros> 18>> RUBY_VERSION

19:46 <eval-in__> apeiros => "1.8.7" (https://eval.in/141381)

19:46 <apeiros> you can have what you want :)

19:46 <yxhuvud> oh. nice :D

19:46 <apeiros> and yes, e.g. \w changed from 1.8 to 1.9

19:46 <apeiros> in 1.8 it depended on whether it was //u or //n

19:47 <apeiros> in 1.9 it's always equivalent to [A-Za-z0-9_]

19:47 <apeiros> 18>> ["aäöü"[/\w+/u], "aäöü"[/\w+/n]]

19:47 <eval-in__> apeiros => ["a\303\244\303\266\303\274", "a"] (https://eval.in/141382)

19:47 <apeiros> 19>> ["aäöü"[/\w+/u], "aäöü"[/\w+/n]]

19:47 <eval-in__> apeiros => /tmp/execpad-46abccc5ed2d/source-46abccc5ed2d:2: invalid multibyte char (US-ASCII) ... (https://eval.in/141383)

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19:48 <apeiros> gah, fuck

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19:48 <yorickpeterse> lrn2multibyte

19:48 <apeiros> >> ["aäöü".b[/\w+/u], "aäöü".b[/\w+/n]]

19:48 <eval-in__> apeiros => incompatible encoding regexp match (UTF-8 regexp with ASCII-8BIT string) (Encoding::CompatibilityError) ... (https://eval.in/141384)

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19:48 <apeiros> >> ["aäöü"[/\w+/u], "aäöü".b[/\w+/n]]

19:48 <eval-in__> apeiros => ["a", "a"] (https://eval.in/141385)

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19:58 <cored> :-/

19:58 <cored> the problem wasn't that hard

19:58 <cored> what the heck just happend?

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19:59 <imperator> non-english numbers, hee

19:59 <imperator> what about roman numerals? huh? what then?

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20:05 <drbrain> >> "aäöü"[/\p{Word}+/u]

20:05 <eval-in__> drbrain => "aäöü" (https://eval.in/141386)

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20:10 <sarkyniin> hey

20:10 <sarkyniin> I'm against a dilemma

20:11 <sarkyniin> I have a hash where each key is a user's nick and the value is a message

20:11 <drbrain> sarkyniin: ok

20:11 <sarkyniin> I'm making it so, if the user already has a message waiting and you send him another message, it concatenates the two messages

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20:12 <sarkyniin> I'm trying to limit each user to only one memo until the current memo is sent

20:12 <sarkyniin> and I don't know how to do that :s

20:12 <sarkyniin> specifically, how to link each message with a specific user that sent it

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20:13 <zenspider> sarkyniin: I don't understand your specifically line

20:14 <zenspider> but messages[user] << memo should handle your general description just fine

20:14 <sarkyniin> yeah

20:14 <sarkyniin> I already have the single memo working

20:14 <sarkyniin> but I want to limit each user to only one memo

20:14 <sarkyniin> for example, if they already sent a memo and they want to send another

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20:14 <sarkyniin> they have to wait until the current memo is read

20:14 <sarkyniin> / received

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20:15 <zenspider> you just said you wanted to concatenate

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20:15 <sarkyniin> wait

20:16 <sarkyniin> I think I found a way to do it

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22:05 <imperator> drbrain, ping

22:05 <drbrain> imperator: pong

22:05 <imperator> figured this would be easier that tweets ;)

22:06 <drbrain> yep

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22:06 <imperator> so, you can release the gvl in a c extension, but can't get the same behavior in pure ruby? is that right?

22:06 <drbrain> correct

22:06 <drbrain> the GVL locks the VM to a thread running ruby code

22:06 <imperator> hm, this is for ffi, just thought of something

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22:07 <apeiros> GVL? new name for GIL?

22:07 <drbrain> GIL is the new name for GVL

22:07 <imperator> it has a blocking option for functions, wonder if that does the trick

22:07 <apeiros> ah

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22:07 <drbrain> imperator: I thought FFI had code somewhere to release GVL

22:07 <imperator> yeah, that's what I'm digging for

22:07 <drbrain> I haven't checked, but I recall others claiming that

22:08 <imperator> i think callbacks do it automatically

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22:08 <imperator> but don't quote me on it

22:08 <drbrain> yeah, me neither

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22:12 <imperator> ah, i think if you set :blocking => true it releases the GIL

22:13 <imperator> if i'm reading the docs and source code correctly

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23:22 <zenspider> man... Struct shouldn't define to_a. That's horrible

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23:25 <|jemc|> premature splat problems?

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23:27 <zenspider> yeah. Trying to replace BS datastructure of nested arrays with collections of nested structs and it shouldn't pass tests yet

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