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<
yorickpeterse >
morning
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<
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another day, another potential aws-sdk thraedngi issue
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<
yorickpeterse >
blegh
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<
ljarvis >
blehhaggg
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apeiros >
ljarvis: great, you're there!
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* apeiros
starts siege mode!
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apeiros >
ljarvis: you're the author of slop, right?
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* apeiros
guesses that "blehhaggg" meant "I'm going to die right now" and ljarvis is now dead and can't respond :(
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he is the author, yes
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well, that question was more "introductionally" :-/
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ljarvis: going for lunch now, so I'll just ask the real question - do you have examples of using slop for commands with subcommands with separate options?
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apeiros >
ljarvis: e.g. like git with its different subcommands like commit, push, pull etc.
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* apeiros
off for lunch, back in ~30min
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maloik >
ugh, how do you write a regexp that matches the 'DNS.1:' and 'DNS:' in something like "DNS: example.com, DNS.1: example2.com" ?
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<
whitequark >
maloik: DNS(.\d+)?
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<
whitequark >
maloik: DNS(.\d+)?:
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<
whitequark >
err again
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<
whitequark >
maloik: DNS(\.\d+)?:
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<
whitequark >
now it works.
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yorickpeterse >
apeiros: each `command` block has its own options and stuff
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maloik >
thanks guys
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hmmm...the best therapy for frustration is ripping out dead code
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whitequark >
or murder
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.. should I call the police?
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Hm, code that has been around since early 2012 and hasn't been used since
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ljarvis and banisterfiend you folks coming over for arrrrcamp? :-)
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oh shoot, I still need to submit my talk
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and actually write it
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apeiros: as yorickpeterse says, each command block is separate and can be nested. Command stuff is somewhat naive since I don't use it much and haven't had much feedback on it, so it probably needs lots of improvements (the next major version of slop with remove them)
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maloik: unfortunately not, saving $ so I'm only going to the brighton one (because it's being paid for)
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don't remove them D:
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i was thinking of extracting the command behaviour, but i haven't really made any concrete decisions
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ljarvis: "the next major version of slop with[sic] remove them" - s/with/will/ ?
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ljarvis: oh, so it's not a good idea if I use that?
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ljarvis >
apeiros: the next major version is changing a lot but I'll continue to maintain 3.x, upgrading to 4 will break probably most slop code you use, not just commands
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ljarvis >
so it's fine to use it
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apeiros >
any idea when next slop version will be released?
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ljarvis >
4 months ago
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apeiros >
and you planned that when? (extrapolate likely release date :-p)
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probably next month
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ljarvis >
late next month, not tomorrow
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ah, heh, no, I meant when you said "I'll release that in january"
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apeiros >
planning_date + (planning_date-release_date)*2 == likely_release_date ;-)
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ljarvis >
oh.. you dont wanna know
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apeiros >
I was just kidding, no need you dig that out ;-)
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ljarvis >
that did just make me depressed though
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ljarvis >
that time went quick
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well, I guess slop accepts any array to process anyway, so I'll probably do the command split-up myself
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apeiros >
ljarvis: I know that feeling all too well :-(
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ljarvis >
if 4.0 remove commands I'll still build something to utilize them as an additional opt-in library
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apeiros >
ljarvis: I think slop will only be a stepping stone for me anyway
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ljarvis >
apeiros: whatcha working on?
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apeiros >
ljarvis: webframework. because there aren't enough of them :)
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ljarvis >
ah yes, I've been there
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apeiros >
very opinionated. only supports postgres f.ex.
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apeiros >
but the mini-orm I built outperforms AR by magnitudes
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apeiros >
memory- and cpu-wise
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ljarvis >
will that be separate?
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apeiros >
it's modular. should not be difficult to use externally.
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apeiros >
but it's by far not as powerful as AR, mind you
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ljarvis >
likely release date? ;)
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apeiros >
4 years ago :D
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apeiros >
probably around the end of the year
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apeiros >
I might make parts of it public earlier
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ljarvis >
I like that you weren't explicit with which year
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apeiros >
I meant end of 2014 ;-)
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apeiros >
it's mainly targeting mobile web apps. but should be easy to use for regular websites just fine.
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apeiros >
it compiles all views and assets into a single file
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apeiros >
whitequark: latency is the bigger issue for mobile apps than bandwith
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apeiros >
the interactive part is designed to just serve json and avoid you having to write boilerplate
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whitequark >
oh, you mean it compiles views and sends them to the client
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whitequark >
that makes sense, then
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apeiros >
yes. for the webapp I work on, the full file is ~300KB. all css, js, html of the whole app included.
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apeiros >
oh, also some images and a webfont
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apeiros >
(dynamic) content is then loaded via ajax
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whitequark >
have you seen ocsigen?
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apeiros >
no. googling :)
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apeiros >
it seems to have different aims than I
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apeiros >
"Same language and libraries for client and server parts" - that's interesting. but not something I aim for
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whitequark >
it's a side effect. the great idea behind it is that you shouldn't write separate client and server logic
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whitequark >
or even explicit communication
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whitequark >
(it transparently uses websockets)
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apeiros >
ok, also interesting, but not something I aim for either :)
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apeiros >
the design I aim for is "traditional" server-client
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apeiros >
but with many common issues solved and as boilerplate-less as possible.
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whitequark >
a typesafe DSL for creating SQL queries
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apeiros >
ah, a couple of things I will try to generate client-side code from the server-side code you write
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apeiros >
e.g. persistence of models on the client
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apeiros >
I will try to generate a JS migration from the ruby migration. not sure how far I'll get with that, though.
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apeiros >
same for the model code
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whitequark >
uhhh, sounds quite horrible
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whitequark >
too fragile.
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apeiros >
the idea is not that you can blindly run it and be happy
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apeiros >
the idea is that you can remove the repetitive parts of having client- and serverside modelworld
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whitequark >
I don't think persistence of models on client can exist without some fundamental changes to the database model
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and that synchronization, especially in a distributed system, can mostly be handled automatically and you only care about the edge-cases.
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whitequark >
cache invalidation will be just too hard.
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apeiros >
oh, we already have client side storage quite successfully.
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apeiros >
it can exist. it works quite well. but it involves repetitive work which I want to remove.
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apeiros >
one of the bigger troubles is if you target desktop browsers - due to the old problem of who supports what.
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apeiros >
but for desktop browsers, I'd probably just leave client side storage away. that's only useful for offline use of the app anyway. and desktops are usually always-online
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laptops aren't
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apeiros >
uh, gist decided the js model goes first… ok
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apeiros >
DefV: huh? why?
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DefV >
I truly dislike that kind of coupling
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apeiros >
what coupling?
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apeiros >
DefV: so you prefer reinventing the world and write it by hand?
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apeiros >
DefV: nobody stops you from that
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apeiros >
the framework forces you in no way to use that.
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apeiros >
but I see
*zero* value in reinventing what I already have
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apeiros >
it's more work for no gain
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apeiros >
in the opposite IMO. you're more likely to introduce bugs and mistakes because you write everything twice.
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examples: handle enum types manually? validate yourself that you assign a valid value? handle datetime with timezone manually? (js doesn't have that, don't forget conversion from json), handle not-null manually? define all fields manually? define all models manually? lots of work - what does it gain you?
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apeiros >
what I forgot to add here - write all the reader/writers and from-/to-json mappers by hand? have fun. I rather let my framework generate that for me.
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the only thing with regards to this is whether I should map foo_bar attributes to fooBar for the js part. comes with its own hell, though.
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apeiros >
+where I'm torn with regards to this is…
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I'm trying to load some environment variables from a YAML file
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sarkyniin >
this gives me this error:
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sarkyniin >
/usr/local/lib/ruby/2.1.0/erb.rb:598:in `compile': undefined method `encoding' for #<File:config.yml> (NoMethodError)
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sarkyniin >
anyone knows why?
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DefV >
ERB.new expects ERB as a string
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apeiros >
sarkyniin: File.read instead of File.open
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apeiros: it does work now!
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sarkyniin >
Thanks!
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse ping
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse is vakantiegeld taxed?
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: pong
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surrounder >
banisterfiend: ja
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surrounder >
flink ook
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yorickpeterse >
it's part of your salary, so yes
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yorickpeterse >
it's basically nothing more than a small bonus during the holidays
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yorickpeterse >
You pay taxes on the resulting amount of income, including whatever bonuses there may be part of that
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surrounder >
think half of my vakantiegeld is taxes
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yorickpeterse >
so if $EMPLOYER suddenly gives you a bonus of 1000 Euros you'll lose ~30% of that
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yorickpeterse >
depending on what your tax rate is
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yorickpeterse >
As with a lot of income related things this also varies from employer to employer depending on what kind of "hacks" they have in place
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse surrounder thx
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banisterfiend >
darn
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banisterfiend >
i was hoping it wouldn't be taxed
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surrounder >
hehe yeah know that feeling
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: welcome to .nl
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yorickpeterse >
enjoy tax hell
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surrounder >
first time I got vakantiegeld I was a little disappointed
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yorickpeterse >
You can not make a profit here unless you suck a bunch of Ds at government level
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yorickpeterse >
or work abroad
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surrounder >
so true
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banisterfiend >
surrounder lucky i'm getting it at all since i'm working for an american company, had to get my lawyer bro to send them an email :)
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yorickpeterse >
well, or if you're like me and just don't spend anything
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banisterfiend >
i don't spend that much but i have an expensive girlfriend :(
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surrounder >
banisterfiend: ah that's just dandy
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banisterfiend >
and i made the ridiculous decision to buy a car in a country with great transport services :)
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yorickpeterse >
hahahahaha
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yorickpeterse >
hahahaha
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yorickpeterse >
a car
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yorickpeterse >
haha
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yorickpeterse >
enjoy being broke as hell
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yorickpeterse >
and not being able to park it anywhere
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DefV >
car == broke as hell?
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banisterfiend >
i just bought a primera so it's reasonably cheap to run
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yorickpeterse >
DefV: they're not exactly cheap maintenance wise
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yorickpeterse >
and again, lots of taxes
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surrounder >
heh I still need to get myself a driving license once
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse japanese cars are relatively cheap
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surrounder >
driving license is EUR 1500 / 2000 here
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banisterfiend >
surrounder i used a clever trick to get a driver's license ;)
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banisterfiend >
surrounder i'm a NZ citizen and have an NZ license which isn't valid here. But i'm also a UK citizen, and i can easily get a UK license from my NZ one (due to treaties). And a UK license is valid here, i can even trade it in for a dutch one if i like :)
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DefV >
asstounding the nr of benelux ppl that are active inhere
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DefV >
or ppl living in benelux
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surrounder >
and well, don't really need it atm, I work a 5 minute walk away from where I live and when I need to be somewhere else the public transporation is good enough
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surrounder >
banisterfiend: hahaha ideal
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: not sure if, because you're a foreigner, you're excempt from all the BS taxes
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yorickpeterse >
I at some point looked into the costs of a car but I'd literally be broke
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surrounder >
yeah it's not fun
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surrounder >
unless you buy a crappy old car I guess
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surrounder >
friend of mine bought a beat up suzuki swift 1.0 for next to nothing; those are really cheap on a monthly bases
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surrounder >
eur 50 for roadtaxes / insurance or so
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I'd have to pay for a fancy ass parking permit
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yorickpeterse >
and I'd have to park it way out
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yorickpeterse >
so I figured a 100 Euro bike with fancy tires was better
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ah, doesn't help either
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then of course it got stolen
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yorickpeterse >
so I had to get another one
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I'm glad I can walk everywhere around here
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wondering, how does "fancy ass parking permit" looks
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gnufied >
in here, you can park anywhere! as long as, it is not near our holy cows.
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ndrst >
is still don't get why you need a car in a city with an acceptable public transport system
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gnufied >
when I was in London, my top reason was cold
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I don't know a city with a 100% reliable transport system
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walking from where I was staying to railway station, brr
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gnufied >
and what with UK storm, delaying everything
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I wished, I had car
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ljarvis >
it's sunny today
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also driving around london is horrible anyway
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lol driving in winter with snow in a city? -> chaos and destruction
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driving in winter with snow anywhere in the uk = lol
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maloik >
and by lol you mean fucking awesome and exciting right?
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maloik >
that's what I think anyway :D
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gnufied >
IIRC, there was no snow during UK storm. just everything stalled
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maloik >
*weeeeeeeee see me drifting!*
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ljarvis >
speaking of cars, this morning someone knocked on my door, chatted to me for a few minutes about my car and then wondered off...
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ljarvis >
hope it's still there tomorrow
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ndrst >
also a car is so expensive and kills so much environment.
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ndrst >
from the energy point of view a car is just luxury
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ljarvis >
having a car is 100% convenience for me
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ljarvis >
actually that's a lie
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I see ljarvis full of shit. he is arguing for both sides! make up your mind, already!
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gnufied >
we need black and white
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ljarvis >
cars are good
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ljarvis >
there's your black
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ndrst >
fuck this gray stuff
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ljarvis >
public transport sucks
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ljarvis >
there's ya white
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ljarvis: and cycling is better than either (for certain values of X)
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ljarvis >
that depends on a lot of factors
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ljarvis >
cycling is enjoyable in the right weather, and anywhere that is not central london
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wmoxam >
ljarvis: as with any discussion of 'better'
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wmoxam >
I take all 3 modes of transportation :p
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ljarvis >
so basically
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ljarvis >
thry're all good
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ljarvis >
and they're all fucking terrible
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ljarvis >
i'm glad we settled that
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wmoxam >
I rode my bike today, despite the London-like weather we're having today
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ie: it's cold and rainy today :(
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ljarvis >
london is very sunny today!
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that's very un-london like!
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wmoxam: wait, where are you based?
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don't tell me you're also in .nl
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wmoxam: london is normally smoggy, not rainy... you're thinking of manchester ;)
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maloik >
100 proposals already and still 2 weeks to go for arrrrcamp
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maloik >
unbelievable :-)
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yorickpeterse >
maloik: are there any objections to me wearing a pink pirate costume, if I can find one?
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maloik >
I'll object if you don't
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yorickpeterse >
Yessssss
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yorickpeterse >
why are they all for women though :<
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wmoxam >
yorickpeterse: I'm in Toronto
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maloik >
oh god that all looks horrible on so many levels :D
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wmoxam >
workmad3: lol
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yorickpeterse >
wmoxam: heh
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yorickpeterse >
eh, which one?
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yorickpeterse >
That just links to the overview for me
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ndrst >
maloik does it make sense to still send a paper for arrrrrcamp or are you already swamped?
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yorickpeterse >
workmad3: HAHAHAHA
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yorickpeterse >
that's not a pirate
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maloik >
ndrst: the more the better!
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yorickpeterse >
hahaha, a pirate
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maloik >
we don't decide until we close them so you still have a chance of being picked
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: I was just looking for an embarassing pink costume intended for some of male proportions :)
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yorickpeterse >
Hey, I really don't give a fuck about wearing pink
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yorickpeterse >
But a skirt might be a bit too much for other attendees
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ndrst >
yorickpeterse: there are pink bunny costumes you could wear with an eye patch
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yorickpeterse >
It's Arrrrrcamp, not Draggggcamp
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ljarvis >
needs more bieber
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ndrst >
maloik: hmkay. I try to come up with something then
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: I think that particular one is embarassing for reasons other than the pink ;)
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yorickpeterse >
if I wear that I'd get thrown out for being racistprobs
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yorickpeterse >
Zwarte piet only works here in .nl
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yorickpeterse >
Well, Belgium too I suppose
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ljarvis >
yorickpeterse: you should come to brighton ruby
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maloik >
lots of drama around that though this year
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ndrst >
omg zo much time left. usually I do this things the night before the deadline
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: I still have it on my calendar
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ndrst >
I would actually pay to see yorickpeterse in a pink pirate costume
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ljarvis >
yorickpeterse: \o/
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yorickpeterse >
and with Euruko being dead I might actually
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yorickpeterse >
ndrst: I'm not a prostitute
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maloik >
ndrst: then better make it good ;-)
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yorickpeterse >
ndrst: but you can donate to Rails girls instead
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ljarvis >
CFP for brighton ruby ended today D:
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ended or will end?
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will end I guess, by the eod
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yorickpeterse >
darn
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yorickpeterse >
that means I have to write 3 proposals today
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ndrst >
yorickpeterse: I did already I was nr 3 or so
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yorickpeterse: why 3 proposals?
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yorickpeterse >
Eurucamp, Arrrrrrrrrrrrcamp and Brighton
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yorickpeterse >
Eurucamp closes tomorrow
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ndrst >
yeah should do one too for that one
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maloik >
which reminds me, I'm probably doing baruco again this year
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yorickpeterse >
Considering I don't do the same topic twice this will be hard
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maloik >
anyone going there ?
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ndrst >
hmmm. damn and we have the emacs berlin meetup today
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pffft, emacs
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ndrst >
I don't bash vi users, I try to educate them to more (;
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse can you translate something for me?
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ndrst >
and actually I don'y care what you write your code in as long as you leave me alone
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: shit's breaking so not atm
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ndrst: :P
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I hate people who write code anyways
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ndrst >
wait let me rephrase that: I hate people
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maloik >
not the clearest document but it seems to simply be the cost of the loan
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banisterfiend >
maloik but the loan is for 2500 how did they get a total of 2957 from it?
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DefV >
my car-loan is at 3% :-S
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maloik >
2500+457,04
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banisterfiend >
DefV but take 11.8% of 2500 and it doesnt add to 457
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banisterfiend >
maloik ya, i dont know where they got the 457 from
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DefV >
banisterfiend: it's over 3 years
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surrounder >
banisterfiend: no idea sorry
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workmad3 >
banisterfiend: compound interest biatch
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DefV >
so you're paging the 11% per year
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: basically they're charging you service costs
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* surrounder
not good with financial stuff
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yorickpeterse >
so you owe 2500 but because herp-derp-we-did-things you have to pay 460 extra
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yorickpeterse >
That's the best description I can give
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DefV >
first year 11% on 2500. 2nd year 11% on 2500 - what you payed in year 1, 3rd year 11% on 2500 - what you paid in year 2 & 3
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banisterfiend >
yorickpeterse so it's unrelated to interest?
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yorickpeterse >
banisterfiend: not clear from the document
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yorickpeterse >
I'd ask whoever gave you that
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maloik >
DefV: unless Im misreading your sentence that still doesn't add up
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workmad3 >
DefV: it's not quite that
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maloik >
(I probably am because I don't have the slightest idea how this works either)
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workmad3 >
DefV: because it's interest on the capital left to repay at the end of each year
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workmad3 >
DefV: or potentially interest on the capital left to repay at the start of each year... :)
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workmad3 >
oh wait, that's what you said...
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fails @ reading
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workmad3 >
banisterfiend: what are your repayments?
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maloik >
82 euro ish
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maloik >
says so on the bottom
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maloik >
lowest number
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maloik >
times 36 (3 years)
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I don't read that :)
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john_____: have you tried turning it off and on again?
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john_____ >
hi guys...system (psql -h localhost -p 5432 -U mouser my_db_name -c “select * from table_name order by description” -o export_filename.csv)
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john_____ >
i need to use ruby...it's prompting me for a password when running the script...any way to automate the password part?
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john_____ >
any help is appreciated
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maloik >
-ppassword I suppose?
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yorickpeterse >
TIL Digest is anything but thread-safe
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yorickpeterse >
herp derp GIL solves that no it doesn't
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john_____ >
i'm new to ruby ...how can i tell it to set pgpassword = 'password' when asked?
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yorickpeterse >
I believe psql always requires a prompt, not sure if there's a flag for it to set it directly
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oddmunds >
yorickpeterse: that's pretty neat, never knew about that
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workmad3 >
yorickpeterse: there's '-w' for psql to force no password prompt
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workmad3 >
you can also do something like 'PGPASSWD=<password> psql ...' iirc
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yorickpeterse >
workmad3: then it flat out fails I believe
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yorickpeterse >
(if it requires a password)
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workmad3 >
ah, it's PGPASSWORD not PGPASSWD
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igalic >
Yeh, we do that in the puppetlabs postgresql module.
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workmad3 >
or you can set up a ~/.pgpass.conf file apparently
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workmad3 >
john_____: yeah, that's the one
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workmad3 >
means the password can't be read out by something that leaks env vars :)
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john_____ >
how i can tell system(sql statement) to use the file?
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workmad3 >
or by a ps command that shows env vars set on the command line
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workmad3 >
john_____: it should just happen, I believe
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john_____ >
my script.rb file contains only system (psql -h localhost -p 5432 -U mouser my_db_name -c “select * from table_name order by description” -o export_filename.csv)
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gregf_ >
bah sorry :/
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john_____ >
when it runs it then prompts for the password...how can i tell that prompt to use the pgpass file?
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hey all
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BubonicPestilenc >
Can somebody suggest a library, that can read text from image
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BubonicPestilenc >
But not as strong as OCR
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BubonicPestilenc >
generally i need read text from screenshots
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ndrst >
why not use OCR?
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BubonicPestilenc >
that written with custom font, but i can make images of each letter and map them to real letters
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BubonicPestilenc >
ndrst, to have better speed? )
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BubonicPestilenc: I think "but not as strong as OCR" is pretty much a no-go
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apeiros >
I doubt anybody invested time into such a thing
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BubonicPestilenc >
apeiros: sad =(
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apeiros >
tesseract is an open source OCR software
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surrounder >
and an amazing band from the UK
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BubonicPestilenc >
apeiros: but to learn, he need original ttf/otf
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apeiros >
BubonicPestilenc: ?
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apeiros >
tesseract doesn't need to learn
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apeiros >
you point it at an image and it tells you what text it finds in there
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BubonicPestilenc >
apeiros: he didn't read custom font
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yorickpeterse >
bro
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yorickpeterse >
do you even ocr
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ljarvis >
do you even bro
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yorickpeterse >
not really
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apeiros >
I do that line a bit lower, I do even pro
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ljarvis >
bro do you even make sense
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yorickpeterse >
BubonicPestilenc: but yeah, OCR is probs your best bet
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yorickpeterse >
and yes, some services are shite at it
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tyvm
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apeiros >
preprocessing the picture might help
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apeiros >
I'm not sure OCR do that automatically
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apeiros >
i.e., invert that pic, increase contrast
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thanks guys for the help...was looking the url you pointed out...thanks again for the help
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<
yorickpeterse >
man, trying to find a pink pirate costume that's not 1) for women 2) super slutty is hard
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<
yorickpeterse >
at least I found a jacket
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<
yorickpeterse >
"Pirate costume: Black Eye" - features a black guy wearing said suite. Classy.
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<
yorickpeterse >
* suit
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<
ljarvis >
what would you call a variable that would contain either :start or :finish (it's currently start_or_finish but it's annoyingly long)
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<
apeiros >
progress, status
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<
ljarvis >
they represent locations
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ljarvis >
otherwise that would work
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eam >
"they represent locations" => "location"
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<
ljarvis >
right yeah i thought that too, but it's still a bit weird
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eam >
(or position, if they represent positions)
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apeiros >
located_at
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ljarvis >
apeiros: right, pos i presumed is what |jemc| shortened
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ljarvis >
i think position is good enough
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ljarvis >
go team etc
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eam >
p and q, the i and j of pointers
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apeiros >
ljarvis: I wouldn't use pos, tbh. I don't like abbreviations
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|jemc| >
any ragel-ites have a pattern for starting in a machine instantiation other than "main
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|jemc| >
" based on a parameter to the parser?
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|jemc| >
that is, if foo, start in machine bar instead of machin main
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|jemc| >
where foo is a parameter, not determined from the actual bytestream
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<
yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: the_start_or_finish_local_variable
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yorickpeterse >
it should explains itself
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yorickpeterse >
* explain
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<
ljarvis >
ah why didn't I think of that!
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agush >
small question if anyone knows
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agush >
why if i try [:q][:s]
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agush >
it gives me
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agush >
TypeError: no implicit conversion of Symbol into Integer
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toretore >
agush: show more code: gist.github.com
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agush >
no just like that
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agush >
just that one line
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toretore >
what are you expecting it to do?
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agush >
what im trying to do is
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<
toretore >
[:q] is an array with :q as its only element, [:s] is a method call to that array with :s as an argument
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agush >
access the params at key :q and then at key :s
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agush >
when the params are defined its just fine
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toretore >
so there is more code?
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agush >
but when not, it fails
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agush >
= check_box_tag "q[assignee_login_user_status_eq]", "Active", !!params[:q][:assignee_login_user_status_eq]
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agush >
that last one bit is giving me trouble
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yorickpeterse >
because you're trying to access an Array index using a non numerical value
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toretore >
that is not the same
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yorickpeterse >
[:a][:b] -> creates the array [:a], then tries to access the index :b
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<
yorickpeterse >
which is not possible since :b is not a number
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yorickpeterse >
>> [:a]
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yorickpeterse >
>> [:a][0]
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yorickpeterse >
>> [:a][:b]
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yxhuvud >
18>> [:a][:b]
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toretore >
>>[:a][0.0]
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yxhuvud >
Hmm. when was that fixed - I am damned certain I ran into a very nasty bug in 1.8 due to that
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yorickpeterse >
>> {:a => 10}[:a][:b]
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yorickpeterse >
lel
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yxhuvud >
maybe it was a corner case somewhere.
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agush >
thanks guys!
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agush >
i was just wondering
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yxhuvud >
18>> 6[:foo]
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omosoj >
join #rubyonrails
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apeiros >
omosoj: now you've outed yourself. your reputation is irrevocably damaged.
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omosoj >
I was planning to go troll them, I swear... :)
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* jaimef
ponders what !! syntax is
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Mon_Ouie >
It's just a double negation. Always evaluates to either true or false rather than just a truthy/falsey value.
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workmad3 >
Mon_Ouie: unless someone has been playing with ! on their object
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wallerdev >
workmad3: always a good idea to redefine FalseClass to true in your gem
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workmad3 >
wallerdev: I was thinking of something less destructive than that ;)
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Mon_Ouie >
Let's redefine Object#! to draw a cat on $stdout whenever you use negation
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workmad3 >
wallerdev: just something as simple as 'def !; self; end'
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workmad3 >
wallerdev: and suddenly !! doesn't work as expected :D
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wallerdev >
i usually never bother with !!
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workmad3 >
Mon_Ouie: ooh... it should put a
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wallerdev >
most things dont check for false or true explicitly anyway
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<
katlogic >
In some languages, double negatives dont cancel each other.
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eam >
katlogic: I can't think of any where they do
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<
wallerdev >
english is one
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katlogic >
Does it work with positives too?
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katlogic >
(Not a native speaker)
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eam >
wallerdev: double negatives don't always cancel in english
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wallerdev >
yeah i was just saying sometimes
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eam >
"ain't never" etc
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whitequark >
isn't "ain't never" more of an idiom today?
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eam >
katlogic: english does have double positives which are negatives, there's an old joke around that
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<
katlogic >
Yeah, right.
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wallerdev >
and then there's sarcasm haha
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eam >
so I take it back, there are a few strongly typed languages where ! is 1:1
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wallerdev >
strong vs weak typing is not even a real classification :p
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whitequark >
why not? has implicit conversions vs does not have
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eam >
curious how ! differs from "and" and "or"
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<
katlogic >
It's an invented construct by the strong-typing lobby! Wake up sheeple!
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<
whitequark >
it's pretty well-cut
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wallerdev >
whitequark: just read the wiki article on it haha
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workmad3 >
eam: well, for starters '!' is a boolean not, while 'and' is a boolean and and 'or' is a boolean or
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workmad3 >
eam: so there's that difference ;)
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eam >
workmad3: sure, I mean in terms of returning its arg if true
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<
whitequark >
wallerdev: wiki is not always the best source.
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<
wallerdev >
okay then what's your source?
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workmad3 >
eam: well, if the arg is truthy, it returns false and if the arg is falsey it returns true
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<
wallerdev >
it's a common argument and everyone has different definitions on what strong and weak typing are
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whitequark >
wallerdev: Liskov sounds like a great one
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workmad3 >
eam: so not sure at what point you expect the original arg to be relevant :)
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<
wallerdev >
and "strongly" typed languages can support implicit type conversion
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eam >
wallerdev: or and and don't return true/false though
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<
eam >
that's the interesting comparison :)
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workmad3 >
eam: right... but && and || don't flip a truth value
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workmad3 >
eam: ! does
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<
eam >
!! doesn't necessarily, though :)
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workmad3 >
eam: !! does... but twice ;)
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<
eam >
I'm imagining (not seriously asserting) an argument for !!x to return x
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workmad3 >
eam: ! can be overridden... so !! can't be optimised away like that
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<
whitequark >
>> !!Object.new.tap { |o| def o.!; self; end }
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<
whitequark >
ruby allows you to defy logic, for some reason.
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eam >
workmad3: certainly an idea of a change would require a change :)
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wallerdev >
i love how flexible ruby is
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workmad3 >
whitequark: maybe you want to implement a non-standard logic system in ruby? :D
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<
whitequark >
workmad3: but you can't override &&/||.
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wallerdev >
just the other day i fixed a bug in vagrant by opening up a class in the middle of the config file we used lol
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workmad3 >
whitequark: true
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<
whitequark >
wallerdev: worked around a bug, and it will break soon.
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workmad3 >
whitequark: maybe in ruby 2.3? :)
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<
whitequark >
workmad3: ugh no, it's bad enough as it is
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<
eam >
I wish I could override %
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whitequark >
eam: you can
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wallerdev >
i doubt it'll break anytime soon but i appreciate the concern
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<
wallerdev >
this is ruby we're talking about, very robust
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<
eam >
wallerdev: sorry I mean like %w, %x
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<
eam >
er whitequark
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<
eam >
I want %x{} without a shell, I always have to just write my own
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<
whitequark >
you can!
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<
eam >
whitequark: how?
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<
eam >
last I checked %x{} was in parse.y
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<
whitequark >
>> def `(x); puts "hello, #{x}"; end; %x{world}
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<
whitequark >
%x sends ` to self
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eam >
oh, yeah, but I also hate the backtick
19:33
<
eam >
but that works?
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<
whitequark >
%x ≡ `
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<
eam >
whitequark: what I really want is to define new stuff like %X
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<
eam >
so I don't break existing code
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<
whitequark >
you can redefine it locally
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<
whitequark >
as I've said, it sends ` to
*self*
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eam >
>> class Foo; def `(x); puts "hello, #{x}"; end; end; Foo.new.instance_eval("`world`") + `echo bye`
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yorickpeterse >
blegh, Ragel would be so much better if the Ruby output wasn't so darn slow
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Even at its most basic form Ragel takes about 5 seconds to chew its way through 10MB of text
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whereas Ruby itself in its most basic form can do that in about 500 ms
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i thought ragel generated c code that could be used from ruby or something
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wallerdev: I think it can also output plain ruby code
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wallerdev: no
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it can output plain C, Ruby, and a bunch of others
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im pretty sure hpricot used ragel in C mode
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it does
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I don't want to use C for as long as possible
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because C is an entire bucket of shit on its own
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just thought there might be simple ruby bindings for the c stuff
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should be more performant
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Oh I thought about using FFI and all that
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it still involves C
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and porting this lexer to C is non trivial
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ive only used antlr for lexing/parsing :/
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