<tsou>
glide: you mean the console version or the gui one?
<tsou>
glide: whatever suits you best, i use the console one..
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<glide>
Yeah. Ok, cool. Do most Ruby developers use vim, or not necessarily?
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<tsou>
i guess everyone uses the editor they're most comfortable/productive with, there's no consensus
<tsou>
glide: but as you're already comfortable with vi, vim is a natural next step
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<glide>
Yeah... I like the simplicity, and how it doesn't do anything automatically, because that's annoying sometimes. But I'm starting to think that maybe the automatic features are helpful once you're more experienced.
<tsou>
glide: you definitelly need to check vim out ;)
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<glide>
Cool. How do you recommend I learn? By just using it or should I read up on the functions?
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<jacky>
glide: it doesn't matter how many tutorials you go through
<jacky>
the "magic" of Vim is always found on your own
<jacky>
the biggest things I personally took away is that every action can be a macro and repeated when necessary
<jacky>
ah, this is #ruby-lang, lol
<jacky>
carry on
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<glide>
Heh... How does that affect your opinion?
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<jacky>
well, for one, it changed how I thought of copy and pasting code a lot
<jacky>
using registers (multiple places to store code) as opposed as to a single clipboard
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<jacky>
and with its somewhat verbal way of invoking actions, you could kind of say what you want to happen
<jacky>
like d2w would delete 2 words
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<jacky>
or 30,60"zy would copy lines 30 to 60 to a register (a special clipboard, if you many) to a register named 'z'
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<jacky>
so I could then paste it with "zp
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<Burgestrand>
Some people in #ruby-lang, some in #ruby — the community never recovered. Back when I started ruby, the channels were almost identical in size.
<Burgestrand>
It appears #ruby is winning this slow and aging passive aggressive war.
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<Silex>
why not redirect one to the other?
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<Silex>
it's been years now that I find it silly to have two chans
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<Burgestrand>
If I’m not mistaken that requires privileges over the channel that nobody has.
<Burgestrand>
I asked the same question a few years back.
<Silex>
surely *someone* has privileges over one of these chans no?
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<Silex>
I think the problem is more political
<Burgestrand>
I’m not sure anybody cares about the politics involved in this any more. You’re welcome to dig, perhaps you could end the war.
<Burgestrand>
You could be a hero.
<Burgestrand>
:)
<Silex>
let's try
<Burgestrand>
\o.
<Burgestrand>
Go forth, and prosper!
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<Silex>
hello, how about redirecting #ruby or #ruby-lang to the other one? that way there's only one channel to use
* Silex
slaps yorickpeterse for no particular reason
<yorickpeterse>
Silex: they are run by different people
<yorickpeterse>
so unlikely to happen
<yorickpeterse>
also
* yorickpeterse
slaps Silex a few times
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* Silex
purrs
<Silex>
yorickpeterse: can you give me some names of admins of this chan?
<systems_glitch>
statically linked to vulnerable OpenSSL in all major distros + RVM
<systems_glitch>
i alerted the RVM guys and they fixed it pronto
<yorickpeterse>
MRI doesn't link statically by default
<yorickpeterse>
It however sets the OpenSSL version number during compilation
<yorickpeterse>
So updating OpenSSL systemwide won't change the version number
<systems_glitch>
i've PoC'ed it, it's statically linked for sure with Slackware 14.1, CenOS 6.5, Arch Linux, and RVM up til yesterday
<yorickpeterse>
RVM also doesn't link statically to OpenSSL by default
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<workmad3>
systems_glitch: also, your test is flawed
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<yorickpeterse>
ruby-build is the only one that does
<yorickpeterse>
RVM can do it optionally
<systems_glitch>
yeah, but RVM's prebuilt binaries are statically linked
<systems_glitch>
and exploitable
<workmad3>
systems_glitch: I had exactly that output... because my ruby-install build was dynamically linked to homebrew openssl, while the openssl binary on my path was the OS X default one (0.9.8)
<systems_glitch>
i specifically pulled a binary MRI from RVM to test
<workmad3>
systems_glitch: great... that's a prebuilt binary from RVM, it's not indicative of every ruby install ever ;)
<yorickpeterse>
Ah good thing RVM doesn't provide binaries for Amazon in that case
<systems_glitch>
workmad3: no, but it's indicative of what's provided from Slackware CenOS and Arch Linux repos
<systems_glitch>
if you --disable-binaries with RVM of course it'll use whatever system OpenSSL you provide, and you're fine
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<vrinek502>
yorickpeterse: I asked the HashWithIndifferentAccess devs to implement it and they redirected me to the Ruby devs
<workmad3>
systems_glitch: the point is that it isn't even statically linked in most cases
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<systems_glitch>
workmad3: the point is, sometimes it is, and you need to check, and packages from three major distros hadn't
<workmad3>
systems_glitch: 2 major distros and 1 version manager
<systems_glitch>
centos, slackware, arch linux -- three
<workmad3>
systems_glitch: ah, sorry
<systems_glitch>
no problem
<systems_glitch>
arch linux probably doesn't see much server-side use anyway :D
<workmad3>
systems_glitch: still... you came in here saying 'rebuild your binaries, MRI includes its own static linking OpenSSL'
<yorickpeterse>
vrinek502: that doesn't strictly mean it *is* a problem for Ruby
<workmad3>
systems_glitch: in a general fashion...
<vrinek502>
yorickpeterse: it is though an inconvinience for the developers using Ruby and Rails
<yorickpeterse>
Then honestly that's where the problem should be solved instead of moving it to Ruby itself
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<workmad3>
systems_glitch: I'm all for spreading awareness, but accurate information is better than general FUD :)
<vrinek502>
afaik, in order for a Hash to be used in place of keyword arguments, it has to have symbol keys, right?
<havenwood>
vrinek502: as a ruby-install user i had to restart nginx, done.
<havenwood>
vrinek502: oops, mt
<yorickpeterse>
vrinek502: as far as I'm aware of, yes
<yorickpeterse>
lemme check that
<workmad3>
havenwood: I rebuilt my rubies locally yesterday... but for a completely unrelated reason :)
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<yorickpeterse>
Yes, it needs symbols
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<workmad3>
havenwood: updated to mavericks and all my native gem extension installs were failing (although gems installed before the upgrade still worked fine)
<vrinek502>
and params in Rails uses strings as keys in part to avoid memory leakage because of symbols not getting GCed
<yorickpeterse>
If you use HWIA you probably already are leaking every time you use a symbol to access a key
<yorickpeterse>
I can see the annoying thing of this, but I'm not sure if I'd see this is a problem with Ruby
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<vrinek502>
if in the code you are using a symbol to access a value in a HWIA, you are not leaking much, you are just using the provided functionality
<yorickpeterse>
Honestly keyword arguments being hacked hashes in itself is a problem, but that's a different story
<vrinek502>
if one trys to symbolize all the keys of a Hash, then one would leak
<yorickpeterse>
also you shouldn't use HWIA :)
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<workmad3>
it's not exactly 'leaking' if the range of symbols is a fixed pool... the symbols will be created and then used throughout the lifetime of the ruby process without growing in size
<yorickpeterse>
Also MRI 2.something will actually GC Symbols
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<yorickpeterse>
or at least it's being worked on
<workmad3>
it's when you start symbolizing arbitrary strings that you have issues
<vrinek502>
I am not arguing the best way to use Hashes here, I am ony arguing that developers used to have `def foo(arg1, options = {})` and they now replace that `options` argument with keyword arguments
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<vrinek502>
and some of these cases the `options` argument that was passed was a HWIA
<yorickpeterse>
I get that, but that's in my eyes not a problem of Ruby itself
<yorickpeterse>
If so you'd be bending Ruby's behaviour because of what some third-party lib does
<vrinek502>
in my eyes, gems and language are one
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<vrinek502>
one serves the other
<vrinek502>
so one evolves for and with the other
<yorickpeterse>
You are changed your factory because the road now has holes in it
<yorickpeterse>
* changing
<vrinek502>
if at the beginning of Ruby, it was being used for Game Development, the language would have evolved that way
<yorickpeterse>
Instead of fixing your cars
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<vrinek502>
I am sorry but I don't see the metaphor working for this case
<yorickpeterse>
Either way, I'd ask bugs.ruby-lang.org, in the end they are in charge
<vrinek502>
HWIA is not a hole in the road
<yorickpeterse>
Fine. You're changing your factory because people now expect to drive their cars upside down on the road.
<yorickpeterse>
or perhaps the road is upside down
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<yorickpeterse>
Either way, submit it as a request, probably better than argueing in here :)
<vrinek502>
I am arguing here because an issue that I submitted 1 month ago has not yet been picked up
<vrinek502>
I thought I would some feedback before submitting one this time
<vrinek502>
I don't believe that the solution will come from rails or ruby but from both together
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<vrinek502>
is it me or is bugs.ruby-lang.org extremely slow?
<yorickpeterse>
It usually is
<vrinek502>
I managed to accidentaly create 4 copies of the same issue because of server time outs :-S
<vrinek502>
to any and all ruby maintaners: I apologize for creating 4 duplicates of the same issue on bugs.ruby-lang.org, #9731, #9732, #9733 and #9734
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<vrinek502>
I am trying to amend this somehow but the website is really unresponsive
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<Silex>
yorickpeterse: thanks
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<imperator>
hello
<imperator>
can someone here on a unixy platform tell me what system(ping) returns for "host unreachable" ?
<imperator>
on winders it's giving me true, which is not what i would expect
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<systems_glitch>
false on linux
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<imperator>
ok, thanks
<imperator>
must be a windows thing
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<seydar>
with nokogiri, if i find an element based on ID (say, an h3), how do i get the element that immediately follows it? <h3></h3><p></p> i want the <p>
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<centrx>
hey drbrain
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<centrx>
drbrain, You should change the link to documentation on rubygems for mechanize or everyone on rubygems and on Google will be sent to the old documentation
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<heyhey>
hey I am working on this project and I've been stuck for about thirty minutes because I cant figure out why i am getting this error I am just trying to make the show_page appear
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<micha-->
hi, what's the ruby way to display an image in a QT widget? I get `method_missing': undefined method `drawImage' for #<Qt::Painter:0x000000019f25f8> (NoMethodError)
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