apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: RIP Jim || Ruby 2.1.1; 2.0.0-p451; 1.9.3-p545: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste >3 lines of text on http://gist.github.com
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<eam> (you know what I just looked, those are pretty nuts right now)
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<joseayram> Hi Friends, good evening for everybody! I have a doubt about update_all. How i can use multiple contidions?
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<drbrain> joseayram: maybe #rubyonrails knows?
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<centrx> drbrain, Does mechanize work with Ruby 2.1?
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<drbrain> centrx: as far as I know
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<centrx> drbrain, cool, the docs need to be updated
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<centrx> I am using it
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<drbrain> can you create a ticket?
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<centrx> What a fine idea
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<django> so why is this languge becoming so popular??
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<centrx> django, Because it's awesome?
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<django> whats it mainly used for??
<centrx> It can be used for all sorts of things
<centrx> scripting and web development are common ones
<centrx> uses
<django> why is it more useful than python or js?
<centrx> Ruby is very powerful expressing concepts concisely and clearly
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<django> concepts?
<centrx> Python and JavaScript both have their peculiarities and deficiencies
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<centrx> You can do a lot in Ruby with a few lines of code, while still making it clear what the code is doing
<django> oh
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<django> are there for loops..etc
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<centrx> django, Yes
<centrx> django, for loops are a good example of Ruby's object-oriented style
<centrx> django, While you can do for x in y in Ruby, it is only supported, no one uses that syntax
<django> ok so i have experience programming..js/html/css, but all i keep on hearing is ruby..how do i begin
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<centrx> django, The equivalent thing in Ruby is array.each { |x| puts x*2 }
<centrx> django, You might like Ruby Koans or RubyMonk
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<centrx> django, Those are both online interactive ways to learn
<centrx> django, Demonstrates very well
<django> cool
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<centrx> django, A popular book is the Pickaxe (http://pragprog.com/book/ruby4/programming-ruby)
<centrx> django, There is a free online version of a very old edition of the same book at http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/
<django> so what is ruby MOSTLY used for??
<centrx> django, The most popular single use of Ruby is Rails, which is probably one of the top three web frameworks on the Internet
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<centrx> django, http://rubyonrails.org/
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<django> what do people do with it though??
<centrx> What do you mean?
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<django> ppl use java to make android apps
<django> what do people use ruby for
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<CaptainJet> web development
<centrx> What do people use X to do Y?
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<django> which website was built using ruby
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<centrx> django, Do you think this is funny?
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<glide> Hey guys, what editors do you use? I've been using vi but I'm probably missing out...
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<tsou> glide: try vim
<glide> On the command line, or in an interface?
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<tsou> glide: you mean the console version or the gui one?
<tsou> glide: whatever suits you best, i use the console one..
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<glide> Yeah. Ok, cool. Do most Ruby developers use vim, or not necessarily?
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<tsou> i guess everyone uses the editor they're most comfortable/productive with, there's no consensus
<tsou> glide: but as you're already comfortable with vi, vim is a natural next step
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<glide> Yeah... I like the simplicity, and how it doesn't do anything automatically, because that's annoying sometimes. But I'm starting to think that maybe the automatic features are helpful once you're more experienced.
<tsou> glide: you definitelly need to check vim out ;)
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<glide> Cool. How do you recommend I learn? By just using it or should I read up on the functions?
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<jacky> glide: it doesn't matter how many tutorials you go through
<jacky> the "magic" of Vim is always found on your own
<jacky> the biggest things I personally took away is that every action can be a macro and repeated when necessary
<jacky> ah, this is #ruby-lang, lol
<jacky> carry on
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<glide> Heh... How does that affect your opinion?
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<jacky> well, for one, it changed how I thought of copy and pasting code a lot
<jacky> using registers (multiple places to store code) as opposed as to a single clipboard
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<jacky> and with its somewhat verbal way of invoking actions, you could kind of say what you want to happen
<jacky> like d2w would delete 2 words
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<jacky> or 30,60"zy would copy lines 30 to 60 to a register (a special clipboard, if you many) to a register named 'z'
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<jacky> so I could then paste it with "zp
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<jds> Heya
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<jds> I've got some code that checks whether $exit is truthy. Is that ever actually set by ruby?
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<Mon_Ouie> No, it isn't
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<Mon_Ouie> Ruby's magical global variables are mostly all caps or all symbols (the only exceptions I can think of right now are stdin/stdout/stderr)
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<jds> Hmph. Looks like delayed_job used to set it, but doesn't any more
<jds> Would explain why that code doesn't seem to accomplish much
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<slavapavlutin> something
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<slava> Anyone is here?
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<slavapavlutin> Nothing happens here. Is this channel deserted?
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<canton7> today is pretty quiet, for some reason
<canton7> must be a Friday
<canton7> #ruby is buzzing a bit more today
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<cored> I wonder which is the difference between #ruby-lang and #ruby
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<wnd> from my point of view, the difference is that https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/community points at #ruby-lang
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<Burgestrand> There was a split.
<Burgestrand> Some time ago.
<Burgestrand> Some people in #ruby-lang, some in #ruby — the community never recovered. Back when I started ruby, the channels were almost identical in size.
<Burgestrand> It appears #ruby is winning this slow and aging passive aggressive war.
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<Silex> why not redirect one to the other?
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<Silex> it's been years now that I find it silly to have two chans
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<Burgestrand> If I’m not mistaken that requires privileges over the channel that nobody has.
<Burgestrand> I asked the same question a few years back.
<Silex> surely *someone* has privileges over one of these chans no?
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<Silex> I think the problem is more political
<Burgestrand> I’m not sure anybody cares about the politics involved in this any more. You’re welcome to dig, perhaps you could end the war.
<Burgestrand> You could be a hero.
<Burgestrand> :)
<Silex> let's try
<Burgestrand> \o.
<Burgestrand> Go forth, and prosper!
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<Silex> hello, how about redirecting #ruby or #ruby-lang to the other one? that way there's only one channel to use
* Silex slaps yorickpeterse for no particular reason
<yorickpeterse> Silex: they are run by different people
<yorickpeterse> so unlikely to happen
<yorickpeterse> also
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<Silex> yorickpeterse: can you give me some names of admins of this chan?
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<crankharder> Coverage seems to be excluding certain files: https://gist.github.com/crankharder/19e6e5cf1160225bd476 in that example... why isn't "app/classes/calendar_week.rb" included in the list of covered files?
<Silex> damnit, nobody cares
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<yorickpeterse> Silex: apeiros zenspider ljarvis drbrain (I think)
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<vrinek502> hello *, lately I noticed some weird activity between HashWithIndifferentAccess and keyword arguments
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<vrinek502> I created an issue here --> https://github.com/rails/rails/issues/14643
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<vrinek502> tl;dr: in rails passing the usual `params` to a method with keyword arguments does not work as expected
<vrinek502> passing `params.symbolize_keys` works fine though
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<vrinek502> but this introduces a potential memory leak
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<vrinek502> could we make Ruby's keyword arguments compatible with Rails' HashWithIndifferentAccess?
<vrinek502> should I submit this as a Ruby bug or feature request?
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<yorickpeterse> I would rather make HWIA compatible with RUby
<yorickpeterse> Not the other way around
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<systems_glitch> hey guys, rebuild your binary rubies: https://gist.github.com/chapmajs/10473815
<systems_glitch> statically linked to vulnerable OpenSSL in all major distros + RVM
<systems_glitch> i alerted the RVM guys and they fixed it pronto
<yorickpeterse> MRI doesn't link statically by default
<yorickpeterse> It however sets the OpenSSL version number during compilation
<yorickpeterse> So updating OpenSSL systemwide won't change the version number
<systems_glitch> i've PoC'ed it, it's statically linked for sure with Slackware 14.1, CenOS 6.5, Arch Linux, and RVM up til yesterday
<yorickpeterse> RVM also doesn't link statically to OpenSSL by default
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<workmad3> systems_glitch: also, your test is flawed
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<yorickpeterse> ruby-build is the only one that does
<yorickpeterse> RVM can do it optionally
<systems_glitch> yeah, but RVM's prebuilt binaries are statically linked
<systems_glitch> and exploitable
<workmad3> systems_glitch: I had exactly that output... because my ruby-install build was dynamically linked to homebrew openssl, while the openssl binary on my path was the OS X default one (0.9.8)
<systems_glitch> i specifically pulled a binary MRI from RVM to test
<workmad3> systems_glitch: great... that's a prebuilt binary from RVM, it's not indicative of every ruby install ever ;)
<yorickpeterse> Ah good thing RVM doesn't provide binaries for Amazon in that case
<systems_glitch> workmad3: no, but it's indicative of what's provided from Slackware CenOS and Arch Linux repos
<systems_glitch> if you --disable-binaries with RVM of course it'll use whatever system OpenSSL you provide, and you're fine
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<vrinek502> yorickpeterse: I asked the HashWithIndifferentAccess devs to implement it and they redirected me to the Ruby devs
<workmad3> systems_glitch: the point is that it isn't even statically linked in most cases
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<systems_glitch> workmad3: the point is, sometimes it is, and you need to check, and packages from three major distros hadn't
<workmad3> systems_glitch: 2 major distros and 1 version manager
<systems_glitch> centos, slackware, arch linux -- three
<workmad3> systems_glitch: ah, sorry
<systems_glitch> no problem
<systems_glitch> arch linux probably doesn't see much server-side use anyway :D
<workmad3> systems_glitch: still... you came in here saying 'rebuild your binaries, MRI includes its own static linking OpenSSL'
<yorickpeterse> vrinek502: that doesn't strictly mean it *is* a problem for Ruby
<workmad3> systems_glitch: in a general fashion...
<vrinek502> yorickpeterse: it is though an inconvinience for the developers using Ruby and Rails
<yorickpeterse> Then honestly that's where the problem should be solved instead of moving it to Ruby itself
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<workmad3> systems_glitch: I'm all for spreading awareness, but accurate information is better than general FUD :)
<vrinek502> afaik, in order for a Hash to be used in place of keyword arguments, it has to have symbol keys, right?
<havenwood> vrinek502: as a ruby-install user i had to restart nginx, done.
<havenwood> vrinek502: oops, mt
<yorickpeterse> vrinek502: as far as I'm aware of, yes
<yorickpeterse> lemme check that
<workmad3> havenwood: I rebuilt my rubies locally yesterday... but for a completely unrelated reason :)
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<yorickpeterse> Yes, it needs symbols
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<workmad3> havenwood: updated to mavericks and all my native gem extension installs were failing (although gems installed before the upgrade still worked fine)
<vrinek502> and params in Rails uses strings as keys in part to avoid memory leakage because of symbols not getting GCed
<yorickpeterse> If you use HWIA you probably already are leaking every time you use a symbol to access a key
<yorickpeterse> I can see the annoying thing of this, but I'm not sure if I'd see this is a problem with Ruby
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<vrinek502> if in the code you are using a symbol to access a value in a HWIA, you are not leaking much, you are just using the provided functionality
<yorickpeterse> Honestly keyword arguments being hacked hashes in itself is a problem, but that's a different story
<vrinek502> if one trys to symbolize all the keys of a Hash, then one would leak
<yorickpeterse> also you shouldn't use HWIA :)
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<workmad3> it's not exactly 'leaking' if the range of symbols is a fixed pool... the symbols will be created and then used throughout the lifetime of the ruby process without growing in size
<yorickpeterse> Also MRI 2.something will actually GC Symbols
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<yorickpeterse> or at least it's being worked on
<workmad3> it's when you start symbolizing arbitrary strings that you have issues
<vrinek502> I am not arguing the best way to use Hashes here, I am ony arguing that developers used to have `def foo(arg1, options = {})` and they now replace that `options` argument with keyword arguments
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<vrinek502> and some of these cases the `options` argument that was passed was a HWIA
<yorickpeterse> I get that, but that's in my eyes not a problem of Ruby itself
<yorickpeterse> If so you'd be bending Ruby's behaviour because of what some third-party lib does
<vrinek502> in my eyes, gems and language are one
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<vrinek502> one serves the other
<vrinek502> so one evolves for and with the other
<yorickpeterse> You are changed your factory because the road now has holes in it
<yorickpeterse> * changing
<vrinek502> if at the beginning of Ruby, it was being used for Game Development, the language would have evolved that way
<yorickpeterse> Instead of fixing your cars
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<vrinek502> I am sorry but I don't see the metaphor working for this case
<yorickpeterse> Either way, I'd ask bugs.ruby-lang.org, in the end they are in charge
<vrinek502> HWIA is not a hole in the road
<yorickpeterse> Fine. You're changing your factory because people now expect to drive their cars upside down on the road.
<yorickpeterse> or perhaps the road is upside down
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<yorickpeterse> Either way, submit it as a request, probably better than argueing in here :)
<vrinek502> I am arguing here because an issue that I submitted 1 month ago has not yet been picked up
<vrinek502> I thought I would some feedback before submitting one this time
<vrinek502> I don't believe that the solution will come from rails or ruby but from both together
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<vrinek502> is it me or is bugs.ruby-lang.org extremely slow?
<yorickpeterse> It usually is
<vrinek502> I managed to accidentaly create 4 copies of the same issue because of server time outs :-S
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<vrinek502> to any and all ruby maintaners: I apologize for creating 4 duplicates of the same issue on bugs.ruby-lang.org, #9731, #9732, #9733 and #9734
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<vrinek502> I am trying to amend this somehow but the website is really unresponsive
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<Silex> yorickpeterse: thanks
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<imperator> hello
<imperator> can someone here on a unixy platform tell me what system(ping) returns for "host unreachable" ?
<imperator> on winders it's giving me true, which is not what i would expect
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<systems_glitch> false on linux
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<imperator> ok, thanks
<imperator> must be a windows thing
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<seydar> with nokogiri, if i find an element based on ID (say, an h3), how do i get the element that immediately follows it? <h3></h3><p></p> i want the <p>
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<seydar> toretore: damn i'm dumb. hopefully nobody is watching irc. thank you!
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<centrx> hey drbrain
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<centrx> drbrain, You should change the link to documentation on rubygems for mechanize or everyone on rubygems and on Google will be sent to the old documentation
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<heyhey> hey I am working on this project and I've been stuck for about thirty minutes because I cant figure out why i am getting this error I am just trying to make the show_page appear
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<toretore> heyhey: you're likely to get more help with that in #rubyonrails
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<heyhey> ohh okay
<heyhey> thannsk
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<micha--> hi, what's the ruby way to display an image in a QT widget? I get `method_missing': undefined method `drawImage' for #<Qt::Painter:0x000000019f25f8> (NoMethodError)
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<micha--> using qtbindings, paste here: http://pastebin.com/d5d1Wn5j
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<havenwood> helloo
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<wallerdev> hi
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