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<imperator> howdy
<centrx> hi
<imperator> what are folks up to this evening?
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<centrx> imperator, More activity in #ruby now
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<imperator> yep, it's as awful as i remember it
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<imperator> i do not understand the rules for the File singleton methods
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<centrx> imperator, "the rules"?
<centrx> imperator, For one thing, to_str is different from to_s
<imperator> yes?
<centrx> >> [nil.to_str, nil.to_s]
<eval-in> centrx => undefined method `to_str' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/142672)
<centrx> nil.to_s
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<centrx> >> nil.to_s
<eval-in> centrx => "" (https://eval.in/142673)
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<imperator> what's your point?
<centrx> imperator, The string interpolation is using to_s
<imperator> is it?
<centrx> imperator, yes
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<centrx> imperator, So File.basename is calling to_str for whatever reason, and your counter-examples use to_s
<imperator> "for whatever reason"
<centrx> imperator, Basically, File expects either a String or a Pathname, or something that acts like a String or a Pathname
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<centrx> imperator, to_str being defined on your object means your object is presenting itself as a String-like object
<centrx> imperator, to_s on the other hand, is available on most every object, and merely defines some String output, but does not mean the object claims to "be" a String
<imperator> problem is, can't check for to_str, could be a private method
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<imperator> so, here's the problem
<imperator> i'm redefining File.basename
<imperator> i need to honor to_str on the args, but can't explicitly check for it because it could be private
<imperator> so an arg could define to_str, but not to_s
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<centrx> imperator, respond_to?(:to_str, true)
<imperator> ah, right, forgot that 2nd arg
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<imperator> so basically for each arg i have to: see if it's a string; if not see if it responds to .to_s; if not, see if it responds to to_str; if not see if it responds to to_path; if not, raise a TypeError
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<imperator> not .to_s, nm that
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<zenspider> imperator: to_str is a casting method. why would it be private?
<imperator> git stash and git stash pop - my favorite not-as-well-known git commands
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<imperator> zenspider, probably wouldn't be, but ruby honors it, even if private it seems
<zenspider> odd
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<imperator> class Foo; private; def to_str; "/foo/bar/baz"; end; end
<imperator> File.basename(Foo.new) #=> 'baz'
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<imperator> zenspider, what are you up to these days?
<zenspider> same old same old
<zenspider> right now I'm hanging out in DC, working on my new lexer generator, trying not to fall asleep. :)
<zenspider> you?
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<imperator> just programming for fun at the moment; finished up my ruby grant for win32utils not long ago
<imperator> mostly focused on my latest board game design
<zenspider> I didn't know you designed board games. I have a couple friends who do that
<zenspider> nice
<imperator> ty
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<imperator> my masters degree finally paid off...sorta
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<imperator> in DC visiting or you live there now?
<zenspider> I dunno how small the game designer world is. this is my main friend who designs games: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamedesigner/10529/jeremy-holcomb
<zenspider> dunno if you'd know him or not
<zenspider> visiting my BFF for the weekend. still a tried and true seattleite
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<imperator> afraid i haven't heard of him, but thanks for the link
<zenspider> n/p
<imperator> there are a few big-name designers that everyone knows, but they are rare
<imperator> good for you; DC sucks
<imperator> <- was at Ft. Meade for 3 years (between baltimore and dc)
<zenspider> yeah. I've played poker with james ernest (cheap ass games). that's as close as I've gotten to game stardom
<zenspider> yes, DC sucks, tho we have found some good food
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<imperator> i should say, dc sucks to get around in; definitely some cool stuff there
<zenspider> but not a cafe in sight. totally pedestrian unfriendly. just... not my people
<imperator> cheap ass games, hah
<imperator> cherry blossoms blooming?
<zenspider> yeah, tho we haven't gone to the mall proper
<imperator> it's nice to visit once in a great while
<zenspider> gonna go to one of the aerospace museums tomorrow before we fly back
<imperator> definitely
<imperator> also, don't get lost in dc cuz...bad stuff
<zenspider> heh. prolly won't happen.
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<imperator> went to a concert once at a renovated warehouse there once
<imperator> it was a nice venue, but the surrounding area....holy hell
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<imperator> also, inner harbor is nice if you feel like visiting baltimore
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<imperator> dunno if the constitution is there right now
<imperator> (the ship i mean)
<zenspider> grew up in a navy town... don't really care to see more ships
<imperator> ah, ok ;)
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<zenspider> ok. I'm fading hard. I hate going east and it always messes with my internal clock
<zenspider> g'night
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<imperator> good night!
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<mus1cb0x> does refinements feature only work for core classes such as numeric or for any class?
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<pipework> It works on anything
<mus1cb0x> ok ty
<pipework> Well, any class object.
<pipework> mus1cb0x: I really wouldn't use it if I were you though.
<mus1cb0x> why not?
<pipework> It's a neat idea, but the implementation sucks.
<mus1cb0x> oh
<mus1cb0x> so give it a few more months?
<pipework> mus1cb0x: Read the docs on it.
<mus1cb0x> k
<mus1cb0x> ty
<pipework> Oh wait, it's not the docs, but there's blogs on it. I should blog about it too...
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<centrx> "You will receive a warning the first time you define or activate a refinement."
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<centrx> pipework, What's wrong with the Refinements implementation?
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<pipework> centrx: I can't recall the specifics, but it was horrible when I used it. Some implementation fails that were suprising.
<centrx> I thought it might have been improved in 2.1
<centrx> The description of the implementation seems straightforward in the docs for 2.1.1
* pipework is using 2.1.1 and ruby HEAD
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