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Can anyone help me figure out why my IRC dicebot has not survived the changeover to my new computer?
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GBrawl >
someone here who uses releasy?
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|jemc| >
I'm trying to understand ragel, and reading the guide, but I'm lacking a fundamental piece of understanding here.
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|jemc| >
can someone who knows ragel explain to me the conceptual difference between machine definition (=) and machine instantiation (:=)?
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|jemc| >
and when to use each?
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yorickpeterse >
oh, that part is easy
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yorickpeterse >
a definition is basically a variable
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yorickpeterse >
e.g.
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yorickpeterse >
number = [0-9]+;
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|jemc| >
yes, yorickpeterse, I've been looking at whitequarks parser and your oga and they've both been helpful :)
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<
yorickpeterse >
then every time you reference `number` Ragel knows what pattern you're talking about
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yorickpeterse >
A machine instantiation is a "group" of machines
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. `main` is the one run by default
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yorickpeterse >
but you can create multiple ones and jump between them
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|jemc| >
can I not also do main := [0-9]+;?
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yorickpeterse >
You can basically see them as methods
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<
yorickpeterse >
but you can do this:
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yorickpeterse >
main := |* [0-9]+ => { .... }; *|;
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<
yorickpeterse >
I do think you can also do
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yorickpeterse >
number = [0-9]+; main := number;
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yorickpeterse >
then you have to hook up the action under the definition
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yorickpeterse >
e.g.
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yorickpeterse >
number = [0-9]+ @{ ... };
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|jemc| >
yeah, that was going to be my other question... I haven't seen main = |* ... *| anywhere in the guide yet, but I've seen it in code
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|jemc| >
what is the |* *| grouping doing?
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yorickpeterse >
that's basically Ragel's do / end
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yorickpeterse >
it just allows you to define multiple machines and their actions in the body
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yorickpeterse >
I think that is discussed in the manual though, lets see
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: btw my Ragel patch was accepted
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: probably wont make a big difference in case of parser though
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|jemc| >
so if I don't use |* *|, can I not define actions on those machines?
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|jemc| >
(within the machine instantiation)
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|jemc| >
ah, so that's what "scanners" are: hadn't gotten there yet
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yorickpeterse >
in everybody's defense, the manual is pretty fucking dense
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|jemc| >
so, to give an example, If I'm trying to parse the string "Object" as a single t_const:
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|jemc| >
I currently have:
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|jemc| >
t_const = [A-Z] . [a-z_]+;
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|jemc| >
main := |* t_const => { p :t_const }; *|;
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yorickpeterse >
Why the dot?
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<
yorickpeterse >
that would match "O.bject"
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|jemc| >
thought it was necessary to concatenate
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yorickpeterse >
at least I don't think it is
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yorickpeterse >
lemme check before I say dumb things
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: cool
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|jemc| >
t_const = [A-Z] [A-Za-z_]+;
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yorickpeterse >
either way, the use of |* and *| (which is a pita to type btw) allows you to more easily group multiple definitions
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yorickpeterse >
basically it's like doing do/end in Ruby vs a one-liner using braces
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|jemc| >
but if |* *| is defining a "scanner", isn't that something fundamentally different from a bare machine instantiation?
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|jemc| >
heh, actually, I suppose I should read chapter 6 first :P
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yorickpeterse >
I found the manual to be more useful as a reference than actual learning material
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yorickpeterse >
it instantly throws serious internet business at you
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|jemc| >
I think I must have some mistake in my surrounding code
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|jemc| >
because I can't even get the action to trigger if I set t_const = "Object";
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yorickpeterse >
post code plox
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|jemc| >
yeah, give me a second and I'll push it up
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yorickpeterse >
euh, why define everything on class level?
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* yorickpeterse
puts on his pedantics hat
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yorickpeterse >
oh, I never put that one off
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|jemc| >
well, you had to do some kind of bulk forwarding to get it to work on the instance level, right?
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|jemc| >
I'm happy to hear your pedantics though
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yorickpeterse >
Yes, because Ragel is a bit dumb out of the box
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yorickpeterse >
lemme whip together some boilerplate for that
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yorickpeterse >
I ripped out the buffering part of Oga but you might want to add that yourself if needed
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yorickpeterse >
You generate that using....
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yorickpeterse >
The Cliver stuff is not needed
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yorickpeterse >
LEXER_OUTPUT would be the name of the target Ruby file
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yorickpeterse >
e.g. lib/oga/xml/lexer.rb in this case
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yorickpeterse >
note that said lexer is very much not thread-safe
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yorickpeterse >
also worth mentioning: if Ragel bumps into some character it doesn't recognize (= no machines for it), it stops
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|jemc| >
hence, the any machine as the last one
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yorickpeterse >
Yes
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|jemc| >
yorickpeterse: can you put a license at the top of that gist so that I can credit you properly if I use your lexer skeleton?
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yorickpeterse >
There's no license for it, you can use it whatever you want
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yorickpeterse >
I'm not going to license code-snippets
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yorickpeterse >
Then again it might be better to at least state that
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|jemc| >
k. I'll just credit you at the top with a link to the gist so that others can use it if they come across my usage
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yorickpeterse >
well, also credit whitequark since I learned most of Ragel from him/parser
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|jemc| >
yeah, was planning on that because I was going to use his basic character classes
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|jemc| >
rather than reinvent that same wheel myself and likely get it wrong with respect to unicode and blah
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yorickpeterse >
The Unicode bits are not that hard in Ruby
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<
whitequark >
famous last words
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yorickpeterse >
whitequark: pffft
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yorickpeterse >
I'd say a "Ragel for humans" guide wouldn't be a bad thing
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darix >
yorickpeterse: really put a cert on it
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yorickpeterse >
One that doesn't instantly smite you with academic terms and 500 pages of GraphViz graphs
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darix >
s/cert/license/
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darix >
in doubt MIT
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yorickpeterse >
darix: I put it in pub domain, even though that doesn't exist
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yorickpeterse >
(updated snippet)
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yorickpeterse >
I'm too poor to sue the entire internet anyway
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whitequark >
yorickpeterse: use CC0
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yorickpeterse >
CC0?
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yorickpeterse >
oh, Creative Commons?
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yorickpeterse >
meh I don't use that for code
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whitequark >
that's like public domain, except with a fallback
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<
whitequark >
well, or MIT
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<
whitequark >
read what CC0 is.
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|jemc| >
yorickpeterse: so, when you say this skeleton isn't threadsafe you mean => I can't use multiple instances of the class concurrently? If so, what's the point of having it at the instance level rather than treating the Lexer as a singleton?
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yorickpeterse >
Ugh, fuck it I'll MIT it
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yorickpeterse >
I'm not going to paste a 500 page CC0 license in a fucking Gist
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cschneid >
I want an enumerator object that counts from 0 upwards to infinity. Is there a one-liner to do that?
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apeiros >
0.step(Infinity, 1)
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apeiros >
0.step(Float::INFINITY, 1)
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yorickpeterse >
k MIT now
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yorickpeterse >
|jemc|: you can not use the same instance between multiple threads as the same time
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cschneid >
apeiros: any way to do it w/ ints, not floats?
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|jemc| >
yeah, because each instance is "using" the class to do the real work, right?
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yorickpeterse >
Each instance keeps track of its current state in instance variables, hence it's not thread-safe
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apeiros >
cschneid: that generates ints
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cschneid >
apeiros: I had basically that (0..Float::INFINITY).step(1).lazy
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yorickpeterse >
You can use local variables but then the API in general becomes a bit of a PITA
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yorickpeterse >
(e.g. you'd have to pass every variable to every method ever called)
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|jemc| >
disregard my last statement
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<
cschneid >
2.1.1 :072 > e.next => 59.0
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yorickpeterse >
On class level nothing state wise is stored
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yorickpeterse >
Ragel stores some lookup tables on class level
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yorickpeterse >
Those are not modified though
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|jemc| >
so a single instance can't be used from multiple threads, but separate instances can, good.
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apeiros >
cschneid: maybe for yours. not for mine.
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apeiros >
cschneid: also lazy is pointless there.
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cschneid >
ohh cool
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yorickpeterse >
|jemc|: correct
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cschneid >
apeiros: missed the 0.step part being different than (0..Float::INF)
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cschneid >
apeiros: you're always very helpful. I owe you a beer.
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apeiros >
I don't really drink beer. I won't say no to another alcoholic beverage, though :)
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yorickpeterse >
vodka?
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apeiros >
that'd work
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* yorickpeterse
pretty much exclusively drinks tea
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<
apeiros >
how many ‰?
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apeiros >
silly me, ‰ is after drinking :)
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cschneid >
heh, I live in colorado, and they've opened multiple new breweries, distilleries and now a cider... brewery? (what do you call a place that makes cider)?
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cschneid >
so your pick
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yorickpeterse: yep, it was a problem in my surrounding code; within you skeleton, my machines are now behaving as I would expect
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so I can get back to actually writing the rules; thanks for taking the time :)
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bbl
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yorickpeterse >
back
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sarkyniin >
who wants an atom invite?
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sarkyniin >
Github's new code editor
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sarkyniin >
in semi closed beta
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sarkyniin >
it's for mac only rn tho
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headius >
sarkyniin: I'd take one... headius@headius.com
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headius: sent
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UnclueFungus >
sarkyniin: christopher@maujean.org
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sarkyniin: please and thank you
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sarkyniin: cool, thanks
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UnclueFungus: sorry, didn't check
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sarkyniin >
lemme send you
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UnclueFungus >
sarkyniin thanks!
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sarkyniin >
UnclueFungus: sent
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sarkyniin >
1 invite remaining :o
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hey Senjai =)
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Senjai: long time no talk, how are you doing
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def self.list_variables; list_variables; end # <- right there
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jhass: thanks =)
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I'm not sure about your intention behind lines 89ff
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Lewix: not bad
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jhass >
but if you hope to update the locals when updating the array: won't work
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jhass: what line?
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Senjai: How's victoria weather, i'm back in tdot
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89ff in your gist
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jhass: what does the ff stand for
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and the following
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Its getting better
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jhass: can you clarify your last point about updating the locals - maybe i overlooked something?
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Lewix >
Senjai: Toronto
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Lewix: I've never seen somebody declaring locals inside an array before, so the intention of doing that is unclear
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jhass: I do a lot of train ruby...a lot of unusual things happen in the train =)
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oh and while we're at it, having that much module level code is uncommon too. Btw. there's almost no difference to placing it at the top level here
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jhass: even for namespacing
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for locals? every file has it's own namespace for locals anyway
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jhass: what do you call locals
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jhass >
local variables
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foo = :bar # foo is a local
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jhass >
@foo = :bar # instance variable
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@@foo = :bar # class variable
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$foo = :bar # global
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jhass >
Foo = :bar # constant
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Lewix >
jhass: my list_variables is now a constant, i changed it to LIST_VARIABLES
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zenspider >
this is why accessor methods are superior
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jhass: , zenspider, can you give me a quick example of how you would reorganize it - im not sure i follow
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zenspider >
sorry. busy fixing a minitest bug
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zenspider: np
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SpeakerToMeat >
Hello.
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SpeakerToMeat >
How is passenger's uid/gid set/determined? Shouldn't it be apache's uid/gid?
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is that really a ruby question?
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* SpeakerToMeat
likes zenspider and would like to come back, so he holds up a caustic uncalled for retort
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